idiotican: Nu Metal Retrospective

anode 01.30.24	16 is one of the best here dawg
SomeCallMeTim 01.30.24	Stutterfly's debut is nu
idiotican 01.30.24	@SomeCallMeTim Listening to it right now, never heard of them and besides Gryp and Helio I rarely find obscure Nu Metal bands to be cool.
JKing92 01.30.24	Better genre than many metalheads were willing to admit. Bands like SOAD and Deftones are among the greatest metal bands ever.
idiotican 01.30.24	@SomeCallMeTim Sounds like the Thursday singer with a heavier band
SomeCallMeTim 01.30.24	yeah their next album was more emo/post-hardcore which is where their career ended. If you want a less obscure rec.. Sunk Loto - Between Birth and Death
Emim 01.30.24	Still Breathing - September It's kinda like og nu metal mixed with og metalcore
idiotican 01.30.24	@Emim Oh snap it's on Solid State Records. Checking it out right now
idiotican 01.30.24	posted a review
protokute 01.30.24	i'm not gonna lie, i used to groove so hard to the riffs in 28
idiotican 01.31.24	@SomeCallMeTim added Sunk Loto
bellovddd 01.31.24	sunk loto - aussie nu metal band.
idiotican 01.31.24	@bellovddd Just added it
bellovddd 01.31.24	@SomeCallMeTim nice call on sunk loto!
Emim 01.31.24	Man I love 40 Below Summer tho
idiotican 01.31.24	@Emim they got the style but I've only ever come back to "Suck it Up"
VlacDrac 01.31.24	Adrenaline is so underrated. Top 3 Deftones album for me.
Butkuiss 01.31.24	“An example of Nu Metal without electronic/hip hop/industrial parts” Given that nu metal is a fusion genre which incorporates elements of hip-hop and electronic music into heavy music, I’d argue that this isn’t nu metal at all, but whatever. I’d also argue most of the bands you label with this do have a non-zero amount of hip-hop influence in the rhythm section.
Butkuiss 01.31.24	Anyway, list needs hed(PE) and Stuck Mojo
ToSmokMuzyki 01.31.24	snot rulz
Scoot 01.31.24	sunk loto are active again
idiotican 01.31.24	@Butkuiss My point is that it's straight up not a fusion, it's a movement like original Grunge. Coal Chamber being one of the genres founding bands makes this apparent. But you can call them Alt Metal or whatever you want and narrow down Nu Metal to even less albums than there already are, and Hed(pe) is in my list at the end. Not sure if Stuck Mojo is pure Nu Metal, but I will check it out soon. If you have an album by them in mind post it
tyman128 01.31.24	Calling Nothingface a really bad nu metal act is absolutely insane Also, list needs Five Pointe O's Untitled album
botb 01.31.24	“Not much nu metal exists” Someone didn’t live through the late 90s and early 2000s
DoofDoof 01.31.24	I know far too many of these albums
frozencarl 01.31.24	"Really bad nu metal acts: (Caution really boring) powerman 5000" >: (((((
idiotican 01.31.24	@botb It's true compared to other metal sub-genres (alt metal, sludge, glam, thrash, industrial, black/death/grind) And I'm not referring to the oceans of shitty obscure acts nobody cares about, that can be said about any type of music @frozencarl Their discog is better than their contemporaries and have great ideas, sincere talent, and are incredibly important for the genre's groundwork I just never go back to any of their songs, and theres nothing they did that Limpbizkit didn't do 10 times better @tyman128 Really liked them getting into Numetal, but nowadays it's a little too edgy and overtly anti-religious without the cleverness of SOAD for my liking @Scoot will check it out soon, never heard of them
Scoot 01.31.24	+1 to five pointe o, that album is insane
Scoot 01.31.24	perfect blend of pxc and nu metal
cycosynner 01.31.24	Good stuff on this list!
Vercetti 01.31.24	I don't agree with all of it, but cool list
FowlKrietzsche 01.31.24	Every album here lives somewhere on the spectrum of "really bad", which is the only aspect of nu metal worth celebrating tbh
idiotican 01.31.24	@tyman128 @Scoot Added a review for Five Pointe O
Scoot 01.31.24	need to add atomship - the crash of 47 nu metal influenced for sure
Emim 01.31.24	"urban personality" lmao
Scoot 01.31.24	and pulse ultra - headspace that album slaps
idiotican 01.31.24	@Scoot Will check them out but I think even you know they're not pure Nu Metal
Scoot 01.31.24	neither one of those are im more of a fan of nu metal influenced music than actual nu metal the same way that deftones is nu metal influenced
idiotican 01.31.24	How can they be influenced by a genre they partly created?
Scoot 01.31.24	another edgewater - south of sideways
Scoot 01.31.24	specifically modern deftones, it has little to do with actual nu metal
idiotican 01.31.24	@Scoot added those albums
VlacDrac 01.31.24	Five Pointe O were surprisingly good.
SomeCallMeTim 01.31.24	Calling Nothingface a really bad nu metal act is absolutely insane [2] bruh
idiotican 01.31.24	@SomeCallMeTim Really liked Nothingface getting into Numetal, but nowadays it's a little too edgy and overtly anti-religious without the cleverness of SOAD for my liking
Butkuiss 01.31.24	@idiotican you can argue that Nu Metal isn’t a fusion genre if you want, but at that stage you’re basically redefining a commonly accepted term to suit your own agenda. But go off king!
idiotican 01.31.24	@Butkuiss can you comment on Coal Chamber's debut, is that not Nu Metal because it doesn't have rap or bleep bloop parts?
idiotican 01.31.24	I think the record scratches and Rap Metal influence is the genre's most popularly identified quality, but the bands without those parts make a more interesting side of it. With snot, coal chamber, cold, Staind, drowning pool, sevendust, Gryp and sepultura, you can even say they are fusions of grunge, groove metal and funk. Grouping them as Altmetal like AiC and Tool is odd because they don't have funk or groove influence
Butkuiss 01.31.24	@idiotican coal chamber have a clear hip-hop influence? To claim they don’t is kind of absurd. In the first verse of Loco alone you’ve got Dez’ meter and cadence clearly being influenced by that of rap, and a drum beat that if slowed down 10bpm would fit any east coast boom bap record of the 90s. Plus they’re pretty clearly influenced by the Fieldy bass tone, which in turn was influenced by hip-hop’s love for the Roland 808.
idiotican 01.31.24	If coal chamber has rap in it then Slipknot and Mushroomhead are 1000% pure Snoop Doggy Dog
Vercetti 01.31.24	I agree with Butkuiss. Coal Chamber are influenced by hip hop and you hear it on their debut album. It's all done in a bit of a weird way but the influence is in there
idiotican 01.31.24	pointless comparing it to Fieldy's basstone, I get that bass guitar sounds like an 808 but Korn has tracks like Helmet in the Bush and All in the Family, while Coal chamber's debut has nothing like that except Loco, I and Sway. If those drums are rap influenced then I had no idea half of all rock is owed to the streets
FrozenFirebug 01.31.24	Giftig - 10.000 Worte Goneblind - Goneblind Finger Eleven - The Greyest Of Blue Skies nu-adjacent things i liked
VlacDrac 02.01.24	Will Nu Metal finally make a proper comeback in 2024?
Butkuiss 02.01.24	Nu metal revival has been and gone tbqh
VlacDrac 02.01.24	Thank God.
Vercetti 02.01.24	"Will Nu Metal finally make a proper comeback in 2024?" I mean, it didn't happen in 2022 when Korn, Papa Roach, Slipknot, Disturbed and Hollywood Undead all released new albums. It was like the nu metal expendables. And even that didn't really create a revival for the genre
VlacDrac 02.01.24	I guess it is a genre deeply rooted in such a specific moment in time it wouldn't be able to gain much traction again in 2024 aside from reunions of some iconic bands or the aforementioned acts releasing new albums.
anode 02.01.24	Yeah maybe when frosted tips come back into style
idiotican 02.01.24	kids just gotta watch House Party then style will return
goodsitebaduserbase 02.04.24	if the charts started shilling nu metal would you people call it a “comeback” what defines the life status of a genre to you
idiotican 02.05.24	i just wish all the new nu metal bands would stop doing metalcore shit all the people that wouldve started nu metal bands are just doing shitty rap shit these days, Just bring back real nu metal
JerseyJimmy 02.05.24	not giving S.C.I.E.N.C.E. a 10 and filing nothingface & dope under "boring" is insane behavior jsyk
bellovddd 02.05.24	SLEEP TOKEN INVENTED NU METAL
Emim 02.05.24	Korn invented dubstep
FrozenFirebug 02.05.24	korn perfected dubstep the path of totality is the peak of electronic metal and always will be since those synths died
idiotican 02.05.24	@JerseyJimmy like i said to the others, Nothingface has a lot going for them but they're obsessively anti-religious in a corny way so I can't stand them @frozenfirebug you mean attack attack right
Assemblage 02.10.24	I checked out the two Gryp albums and the Trustfall from here and they were all pretty good. Right now I'm listening to Downthesun and it's super great, would definitely recommend.