ToSmokMuzyki
04.16.23 | well, you see one night when i went particularly hard on your mom... |
Sinternet
04.16.23 | plenty of metal bands in the early 90s were doing this |
Dewinged
04.16.23 | Yeah, even i had a band around 1994 and our lady was doing clean/harsh so it dates way back to the 90s. I am pretty sure you can find some proto-thing in the 80s too though. |
Willie
04.16.23 | Fear of God - Drift (1991): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4KrzPxRpg
If you listen to it, you should really let it play through. The back half is the better half, but the front half is where it kind of builds. |
JohnnyoftheWell
04.16.23 | lydia lunch |
Relinquished
04.16.23 | Diamanda Galas |
MoM
04.16.23 | Nina Simone |
porcupinetheater
04.16.23 | Shouts to Runhild Gammelsæter |
Hyperion1001
04.16.23 | lori bravo has been doing it since 1986
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/ep/nuclear-death/wake-me-when-im-dead/
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nuclear_Death/5069 |
Grimlin
04.16.23 | Sabina Classen from Holy Moses might be one of the first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrfxgmS2jTk |
Grimlin
04.16.23 | for harshies anyway |
zaruyache
04.16.23 | yep Sabina takes the cake. The godmother of black metal liiiiiives |
Egarran
04.16.23 | Paradise Lost - Gothic, 1991 |
artiswar
04.16.23 | Yoko Ono |
Egarran
04.16.23 | Err yes JDubb I'm talking about the guest vocals :) I may have misunderstood the assignment. But that album was the first time I heard male growls+female cleans.
This RYM list kinda agrees: https://rateyourmusic.com/list/michael_yatesy/female-vocals-in-gothic_death_doom-metal/ |
Pheromone
04.16.23 | > Nina Simone - From MoM. Not seeing this one at all - MoM will have to send me a specific song.
LMAO |
Emim
04.16.23 | definitely evanescence |
JDubb
04.16.23 | Egarran - yeah, no beauty and the beast in this list - there are about a million bands that do that. |
Jasdevi087
04.16.23 | mike patton rips off galas, not the other way around chief |
TheSonomaDude
04.16.23 | 11 was my choice
what about Hole? not metal but courtney love had a really mean grunge voice and could scream pretty damn well |
artiswar
04.16.23 | so it wasn't Amy Lee? damn
also Kittie rules indeed, really underrated |
Dreamflight
04.16.23 | I know Rachel from Occult and Sinister was one of the first to sing harsh vocals. Not sure if she did any cleans though. |
PotsyTater
04.16.23 | Nana Mouskouri |
porcupinetheater
04.16.23 | Runhild from Thorr’s Hammer has some clean vocals here and there on the record
Mostly death growls, but there’s a few sprinkled through |
JDubb
04.16.23 | @PotsyTater, Nana has like 200 albums across several genres. Ur gonna need to be more specific. |
Uzumaki
04.17.23 | Surprised no one had mentioned Walls of Jericho yet… |
Deez
04.17.23 | But not sure she made a huge impact.'
dude |
PotsyTater
04.17.23 | Oh sorry, I specifically meant her Christmas albums |
Space Jester
04.17.23 | Melanie Bock from prog thrash band Megace |
Jasdevi087
04.17.23 | "But not sure she made a huge impact.'
dude"
the research was undertaken, and it was concluded that it was uncertain that she made a huge impact |
ArsMoriendi
04.17.23 | When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? |
Deez
04.17.23 | it was uncertain that she made a huge impact'
She did, a massive one |
Deez
04.17.23 | I mean no one made a huge influence did they?
Theyre just a style of vocals that have been around forever. She was probably one of the first extreme female vocalists. If she influenced turd like Angela G I doubt.
Im sure all these type of vocals for women where just influenced by male counterparts, youre more in the realm of who did it first. |
Jasdevi087
04.17.23 | "She did, a massive one"
sorry brother, the research was conducted |
Deez
04.17.23 | Your research failed |
Jasdevi087
04.17.23 | so do you like... get what i'm doing here? or... |
Jasdevi087
04.17.23 | nvm, we explaining the joke on sputnikmusic.com tonight |
PotsyTater
04.17.23 | Lmao |
Deez
04.17.23 | yup
wait...
actually nope |
Deez
04.17.23 | Answers actually Tina Turner anyway |
MoM
04.17.23 | Strange Fruit!i!i
Edit:I don’t mean that shit in a way condescending. I’m just playful and like my loopy shit. For real, though, music casting the shadows that was always there and just easier |
chemicalmarriage
04.17.23 | Lacuna Coil |
BAT
04.17.23 | wendy o williams of the plasmatics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDhfXmjbeGE
probably betty davis, janis joplin, and yoko ono |
JefferyPigglestein
04.17.23 | who really started females in music |
Asdfp277
04.17.23 | violeta parra |
JDubb
04.17.23 | Hey, this isn’t the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I’m not looking for who started females in music. I am looking for the first female to effectively and commercially promote cleans and harsh (death metal esque) vocals. Sure, some did screams, shrieks, etc. and many more did cleans alone. But who was the first to bring them together coherently. |
artiswar
04.17.23 | pretty sure he was just being funny |
BookoftheFallen
04.17.23 | In reality its that woman from Warlock. |
MoM
04.17.23 | If you can tell meeee that “black bodies swaying in the summer breeze” isn’t the harshest vocal ever laid to tape, I’d like to hear it!i!i |
Egarran
04.17.23 | >who was the first to bring them together
Only now do I fully understand the assignment. |
Asdfp277
04.17.23 | imagine all the people |
Willie
04.19.23 | Fear of God released two albums before their vocalist, Dawn Crosby, died of liver failure due to substance abuse. If you don't want to say they started the female-fronted clean/growl thing way back in 1991, you have to at least admit they were a precursor to the sound that other bands eventually took off with. The same way North From Here from Sentenced can't really be called the first melodic death metal album, but it was definitely a precursor to that sound. |
JDubb
04.21.23 | @Willie, It’s complicated. But there was definitely something going on in the LA area in early to mid 1990’s. This can be seen in Fear of God (who I haven’t listened much to), Manhole/Tura Satana, and Human Waste Project, all from that area. I feel that those bands influenced nu metal bands Kittie and Otep; but likely not Angela Gossow or Walls of Jericho - those two likely took influence from elsewhere. Perhaps from contemporary death metal and hardcore vocalists at the time, respectively. |
chemicalmarriage
04.21.23 | Yoko one [2] |
Willie
04.22.23 | @JDubb: I get that. As with a lot of things, the question of who did it first is almost always up in the air or there seems to be a few doing it at roughly the same time. Was Fear Factory the first to mix death metal vocals and clean singing or just the most famous? I definitely feel like Angela Gossow was influenced by the European melodic death metal scene and not any American scene. |
zaruyache
04.23.23 | angela specifically worships sabina ye |
Willie
04.23.23 | Who is that? |
zaruyache
04.24.23 | the holy moses singer aka the godmother of black metal |
alamo
04.24.23 | lana del ray |