veninblazer
05.02.20 | if this example in the top sucks, it's probably impossible to write in that sorta structure without "sucking" lmao |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | i wrote this as an experiment, to see if people are consistent |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
05.02.20 | i mean ur kind of setting them up to dislike it probably should have had them go in blind |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | lmao i dont expect them to like it i just wanna see if they're consistent, that four chord structures just straight up suck outside of punk or some shit |
sixdegrees
05.02.20 | what is this |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | your worst nightmare if you thought Gravity was the worst thing ever |
sixdegrees
05.02.20 | I dont know what that is |
ArsMoriendi
05.02.20 | The clip was only 10 seconds and sounded fine
Reminds me of radio friendly alternative rock |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | pretty much what it was going for |
dctarga
05.02.20 | needs more chugs
nah but Ars is on it, tis fine |
sixdegrees
05.02.20 | what are we supposed to glean from 10 seconds of butt rock guitar |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | the hypocrisy of some music critics. i fail to see how this is any different musically than the albums on the list, if this is "fine" then i dont see how these albums arent |
sixdegrees
05.02.20 | what about the rest of the song |
JustJoe.
05.02.20 | because these albums last more than 10 seconds |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | This is a terrible experiment. |
Relinquished
05.02.20 | idk how you can compare bracing 10 seconds of average nothing vs 50 mins of bullshit |
budgie
05.02.20 | why did you make me download this |
Darius The Imposter
05.02.20 | what point are you even trying to make |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | @Relinquished: so... the difference is that it goes on longer? i dont see how this is any different musically, the chord structure is mostly the same, the drum patterns are mostly the same, bass is just as drowned out...what is the meaningful difference here?
The point, Darius, is this: if this is average, how are these albums not average? |
sixdegrees
05.02.20 | is anyone really leaping to the defense of a bullet for my valentine album with a 2.0 average? |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | That's such a stupid idea. You took ten seconds of a song and want to compare it to 40+ minutes of music that most people on here don't like. |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | I tabbed it out myself. If you so desire I can flesh it out to a full 3-4 minute track when I get the chance. To make this, y'know, a more "fair" comparison. |
JustJoe.
05.02.20 | if i find something semi-annoying for a short duration of time it would stand to reason that being subjected to a similar annoyance for a lengthier duration would elicit increased levels of disdain |
chemicalmarriage
05.02.20 | "What is this"
"your worst nightmare if you thought Gravity was the worst thing ever"
"I dont know what that is"
Fucking lol
|
80timesthe80
05.02.20 | Seems like you're mad at people having differebt opinions on music than you. Let it go dude. There is literally no point. |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | You realize it's not just the sound or structure of the song, right? There's more reasons to that as to why most of us think these albums are heaps of shit |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | @Joe: Yes but i fail to see whats so annoying about four-chord structures like those in this clip.
@80timesthe80: Feel free to disagree with me all you want about music, its fine. I'm just not sure how something as simple as an inoffensive (some may say bland) rock record can elicit such a level of disdain that I have seen |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | "There's more reasons to that as to why most of us think these albums are heaps of shit" go in detail, i'd genuinely like to hear your reasoning if it's not about sound or structure. as far as i see it, music is half sound and structure in its essence. |
JustJoe.
05.02.20 | well if it makes you feel any better i didn’t listen |
budgie
05.02.20 | this list sucks and you suck |
JustJoe.
05.02.20 | but personally i’m not so big of a fan of music recorded just to prove to me that my opinions are wrong |
sixdegrees
05.02.20 | sounds like a bunch of garageband stock plugins |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | "but personally i’m not so big of a fan of music recorded just to prove to me that my opinions are wrong" its more to see the consistency of the Sput user-base regarding specific styles. the way they speak of these songs it seems as if its impossible to write "good" music within the style these bands went for on the albums. which is another way of them saying the entire style itself is doomed to fail from the get-go. |
Source
05.02.20 | gravity was better than interstellar tbh |
80timesthe80
05.02.20 | Disdain? You mean people posting memes in the comments and giving bad ratings? |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | The lyrics are banal and lazily written. I've heard plenty of songs that are, musically, pleasing to the ear but infinitely annoying because of the lack of lyrical substance.
You're also ignoring the fact the BFMV, Trivium,and that Underoath record (don't know anything about the 4th one) are unbelievably repetitive. Add to it that underoath, who had a pretty dynamic sound before, dumbed their sound down and don't sound any better than the most mediocre of radio rock. |
onionbubs
05.02.20 | what the fuck are you trying to do here
this is literally just 4 chords and basic drums. do you really think the reason people dont like these songs from the chords they use, and not things like say, the lyrics or vocals or boring vocal melodies |
JustJoe.
05.02.20 | well i’ll wish you good luck in your studies then venin |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | @Pit: first one sounds more like a critique of 5FDP-type bands than the ones here to me... all four of these albums have lyrics I resonate with quite well, and the usual critique is that they're "whiny" which I strongly disagree with. I wouldnt call them that repetitive anyhow, and while I agree that Underoath simplified their sound, they have done simpler records in the past - see The Changing of Times and They're Only Chasing Safety. |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | No, that's my critique of these albums. I have never listened to a 5FDP album for many reasons.
I'm not talking about how simple an album is. Dynamic =/= simplistic. |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | @onion: if we threw the vocals, melodies, and lyrics on a more "technical" record I bet they wouldnt be quite as divisive so I'm sure part of it has to do with the background music. |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | I've heard plenty of "simple" records or bands that "simplified" their sound but didn't sacrifice quality at all. |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | "No, that's my critique of these albums." I dont see it with the lyrics on any of these...like, at all. Probably just some hamfisted "whiny" critique like always, but I'd like to hear the real answer. |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | "
[Report this Post] @onion: if we threw the vocals, melodies, and lyrics on a more "technical" record I bet they wouldnt be quite as divisive so I'm sure part of it has to do with the background music"
You basically just supported our argument and made your own null and void with this statement. You're right! We'd probably eat it up, because it wouldn't be so banal and boring. |
chemicalmarriage
05.02.20 | asks for criticism but cant take it |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | "I used to think I had it all
Somehow I fell back into habits that tear me apart
I never got to say I'm sorry
But I can't sleep alone tonight
If it's good for me and it's good for you
If I die tonight then I'll make it up to you"
Ok, so that's the opening stanza to ihateit. How many other songs on the radio do you hear with similar content and structure to this? It's just like every single other radio rock song. |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | "You basically just supported our argument and made your own null and void with this statement. You're right! We'd probably eat it up, because it wouldn't be so banal and boring." Alright, then if Gravity was set to say, The Poison's music, it'd probably be better, right? |
JustJoe.
05.02.20 | no clue but i do enjoy “4 words to choke upon” |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | @Intothepit: ...not enough? most radio rock I've heard is still sleazy as all hell comparatively. |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | I dont like anything they've ever done, so I'm not the right person to ask, but regardless, why is this so important to you? It's as if you need personal validation from ua |
Relinquished
05.02.20 | band always sucked so prob not |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | @Pit: Um its not, I just wanted to spark a conversation about musical styles more than anything.
@Relinquished: ok |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | "@Intothepit: ...not enough? most radio rock is still sleazy as all hell comparatively"
How so??? Lol |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | But you're not discussing anything really. You keep bringing up the same point and then when someone actually gives you a good counterpoint, you say they're just giving another "whiny opinion." |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | @Intothepit: i'll let these lyrics speak for themselves.
"She walks like she's walking on water
She moves like the boss's daughter
She rides like a '67 Chevy
And a drive-top red, white and gold
Oh, what she does to me
With her long dark hair
And her sexy thighs
Baby let me come inside" |
JustJoe.
05.02.20 | if conversation was all you were trying to spark then i would suggest a more welcoming list title |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | "you say they're just giving another "whiny opinion.""
uh...what? I said you probably thought the lyrics were whiny and thats why you disliked them...which seems to be a common critique when themes deal with mental health. |
sixdegrees
05.02.20 | BMFV = 0% naked girls 0% drugs 100% talent |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | ...nah im not gonna sit here and act like Bullet have never had vapid lyrics either, see the title track to "Fever" and a good chunk of Temper Temper. |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | You posted lyrics for one song out of millions. Good job. How many Breaking Three Days of Hoobastank songs sound like what I posted? |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | Not enough for me. |
sixdegrees
05.02.20 | I've found a reason for me
To change who I used to be
A reason to start over new
And the reason is you
damn..................... |
Intothepit
05.02.20 | God that new UnderStank song is ace |
TundraL5Z
05.02.20 | all sucks but VF is ok |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | Erase Me is my favorite of the four, personally. Gravity not far behind. |
Philthereaper
05.02.20 | the sound of butts prolapsing is better |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | Understank lmfao. i answered your question Pit |
bloodshy
05.02.20 | veninblazer is the best troll on sputnik. he gets the most responses, and people think he's being genuine.
but who in their right mind actually thinks the ten second clip is comparable to anything other than another ten second clip of royalty-free stock music? not veninblazer.
veninblazer knows what's up, and he's not stupid. |
chemicalmarriage
05.02.20 | THE SOUND OF BUTTS PROLAPSING |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | teehee that was the 69th comment @chemicalmarriage |
chemicalmarriage
05.02.20 | That's how I live my life |
veninblazer
05.02.20 | m/ m/ m/ m/ m/ |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | bump |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | even me i sure hope not me as well |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | i’m just gonna leave my comment as is |
Sinternet
05.03.20 | nah he's the real deal this has been going on over a year now |
MotokoKusanagi
05.03.20 | hard to believe |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | believe it friend |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | just listen to the fuckin clip and tell me what's so awful about that. |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | i don’t wanna because you used a swear word |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | no swearing in my Christian Minecraft server |
Tyler.
05.03.20 | What the fuck is going on here |
Emim
05.03.20 | You have shown me the error of my ways. |
Sinternet
05.03.20 | also just listened and that chord progression is horrible |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | what seems to be the issue with the progression |
JohnnyoftheWell
05.03.20 | "have a similar instrumental structure to this at points"
what does this mean? gonna listen and read this thread brb |
JohnnyoftheWell
05.03.20 | first three chords are fine but recycled from every alt metal song ever. fourth is a huge clunker. not sure if you want any further feedback/what the point of this is |
neekafat
05.03.20 | "This is a terrible experiment." [12345] |
JohnnyoftheWell
05.03.20 | i am going to listen to Gravity today :]
|
Nocte
05.03.20 | If the point of this was finding out whether that 10 sec sample sucked or not... Well, it's manure. |
HoopyFrood
05.03.20 | so from the comments i gather that were now calling four-chord progressions "structure" and using them to critique whole albums? |
CugnoBrasso
05.03.20 | AgentDeathbat, give a title to that masterpiece. |
Tyler.
05.03.20 | Someone explain to me the purpose of this I am not reading the thread |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | @Hoopy: pretty much just trying to figure out how these records got the "awful" distinction when even if I disliked them I feel they'd be too inoffensive for me to hate due to it...well...NOT being Surrounded by Silence. (remember that shit?) |
CugnoBrasso
05.03.20 | Come on give it a title |
CugnoBrasso
05.03.20 | Stop running away from your responsibilities |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | Untitled (The Story of How It Was, How It Is, and How it's Gonna Be)
Happy now, dude? i just whipped that up in 5 seconds |
Sinternet
05.03.20 | yeah doesn't sound like a lot of thought went into it |
JohnnyoftheWell
05.03.20 | sonohara remix when |
chemicalmarriage
05.03.20 | What a burning pile of horseshit |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | @Sint: I wasnt planning on giving it a title, this dude forced my hand |
Brabiz
05.03.20 | Try being a bit confident, this makes me not want to listen to this. |
CugnoBrasso
05.03.20 | Yeah I'm such a party pooper |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | I had no intention on giving it a name. It was an experiment, not meant to be a full-blown song. Probably would've used something like this as a hook for my previous project that never really panned out though. |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | snide remarks when |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | never |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | no that’s what you should have entitled it |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | lol |
kalkwiese
05.03.20 | Btw what exactly is snide remarks? |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | some garbage "satire rap" |
bloodshy
05.03.20 | remember that time a ten second clip was used to show the error of ways in four distinctly different albums, but also was meant to be solid craftsmanship? |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | too soon |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | Was more meant to poke out possible inconsistencies in musical judgment. Just added an album to compare it to, been seeing mixed reactions for that one too. |
Tyler.
05.03.20 | please explain how a 10 second clip without any context is the same as a whole album like im seriously confused over here |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | it differentiates the people that dislike the style played, thus dislike the album on that note, and the people that believe its actually possible to make a good record within said style. I fail to see a major difference compositionally between say, The Great Cold Distance, and a lot of these records that are far more polarizing, for instance. |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | it really doesn’t feel like conclusive evidence to prove your point though |
bloodshy
05.03.20 | i refuse to believe that you think sputnik users sum up the whole of any album based on genre alone, and that you can somehow test this with a ten second clip of something that sounds nothing like the others you're comparing it to.
especially in radio-friendly genre, where the positivity or negativity is obviously derived from choruses and melodies, and songwriting ability.
still think you're trolling. |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | All i know is when i think awful I think of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViSZI6UJEUQ
Not...this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UtK43rh5GE |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | "a ten second clip of something that sounds nothing like the others you're comparing it to" both the clip and these albums have simple 1-2-3-4 drum patterns, 4-chord progressions, and fairly simple bass. |
bloodshy
05.03.20 | god you're good at this |
budgie
05.03.20 | this is still going huh |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | yeah |
Tyler.
05.03.20 | do u not know what context is |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | real talk if those are awful i'd hate to know how you feel about Surrounded by Silence LOL |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | well i for one thought it was clever but alas |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | well shit |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | oh well |
bloodshy
05.03.20 | i was hoping we'd have a forever chain of silence. all users. loudly silent. |
JustJoe.
05.03.20 | ‘twas not to be |
bloodshy
05.03.20 | it's hard to make your voice heard with silence. also the chord progression is really monotonous? |
porcupinetheater
05.03.20 | Chord progression and style ain't the same thing. Songs can suck ass for different reasons. You're tunnel-visioning the shit out of your own opinions, and not particularly interested in having a conversation.
Have fun with your generic radio butt rock, power to ya |
veninblazer
05.03.20 | At the very least I fail to see how these are offensively bad, poor-to-average maybe but i could never put these anywhere near like...BOTDF, nor see them being comparable in quality. Being a little boring is less egregious than being actively repulsive. |
hal1ax
05.03.20 | Stimulating thread |
hal1ax
05.03.20 | I couldn’t think of a better way to represent 5 albums than 10 seconds of GarageBand music |
Sinternet
05.03.20 | time to take a long walk off a short pier for this new sput persona |
Tyler.
05.04.20 | i only listen to midi guitar music tbh |
veninblazer
05.04.20 | yes that's why you begged me to get into the loudest-ass band of all time, The Goslings |
hal1ax
05.04.20 | loudest-ass |
hal1ax
05.04.20 | i appreciate the hyphen |
JustJoe.
05.04.20 | hyphen are underrated as hell |
bloodshy
05.04.20 | Stephen King makes them cool. |
bloodshy
05.04.20 | He uses them in an I-bet-I-can-use-more-hyphens-than-you sort of way. |
JustJoe.
05.04.20 | is that author-speak for one-upsmanship |
bloodshy
05.04.20 | I think so. |
veninblazer
05.04.20 | All this because I said loudest-ass lol |
