Itsonlyme: Musicians I respect

Tb1114 09.04.19	As a vegan (veinkidmeme.jpg), I like the idea of this list. I'd add Converge on there: Kurt Ballou is vegan, most of the rest of the band is veggie (from what I understand) Radiohead's kinda famous for promoting touring sustainability & Thom's veg Andre 3k had/promoted interesting vegan/straight-edge beliefs during Outkast's heyday but has since fallen off the wagon This is all I can think of off the top of my head. Crass is an honorable mention; they championed animal rights, workers rights, environmentalism, feminism, and the usual anarchical politics. However, I think their mocking of Christianity is kind of dated/ a product of its time. I'm not Christian, and I understand the anti-religion themes of anarcho-punk, just rubs me the wrong way. Have close friends who are Christian and use that to shape their lives real well and for the benefit of all beings.
garas 09.04.19	Some of these descriptions..LOL
Itsonlyme 09.04.19	Thx Tb1114! There are a lot more vegetarians, vegans, animal right defenders etc. Usually in extreme music.
Tb1114 09.04.19	Welcome! Refused, Rise Against, Propagandhi are other veg punk bands that come to mind. I'll be coming back when I think of more; I'm much more a punkhead than a metalhead. It is neat that there's a lot of vegs in extreme music. Something to be really passionate about
Relinquished 09.04.19	but do they respect you back, that's the important thing
DungeonBoy 09.04.19	Earth Crisis bruh
EclipseInYourEyes 09.04.19	Ben Weinman, The Dillinger Escape Plan vegan and he is running an animal sanctuary https://www.patreon.com/BenWeinman?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=creatorshare&fbclid=IwAR0jf7Tz5yZfJaKFviaiNkFg6nal_wnj0EyYiWoZZospQn8tF4HfS9sKYKM
fullautorpg 09.04.19	I care more about the rights of the unborn, but I can still respect people whose actions are aligned with their opinions.
DoofDoof 09.04.19	I am trying to go vegetarian for at least one of my two meals every day - but my lord has it made me really enjoy a lot of meat based meals when I get to them lol
DungeonBoy 09.04.19	you eat meat for breakfast every day dude? One meal seems, pretty doable
DoofDoof 09.04.19	Could have waited 20 more seconds for the edit. I only eat two meals and I don’t really eat meat based snacks. So there is effort there. Problem is I’d still say most of my top 10 favourite meals contain meat. Vegetarian pizza might sneak in there as I don’t really appreciate meat toppings on pizza so much.
Kompys2000 09.04.19	Oh if only vegetarianism was the one thing Morrissey ever talked about publicly
DungeonBoy 09.04.19	oh okay, that changes things then dude. Good luck with your endeavor! Moderation is the key to happiness and health
DoofDoof 09.04.19	Dungeon - yeah, I think it’s right that there is a push for people to consider eating less meat. Unfortunately I still think I’d be cutting out too much to go full vegetarian - though it would be possible if I was careful with my diet. Meat is a shortcut to a lot of nutrition - I’ve heard about a lot of sick veggies like cancer sufferers being persuaded to eat meat again by doctors here as a shortcut to strengthening up their health.
tectactoe 09.04.19	let's also not forget that it is delicious
DungeonBoy 09.04.19	absolutely! and unless you have ethical reasons, you don't need to deprive yourself of the satisfaction that comes with eating it. The idea that meat is required for every meal to be complete though is simply not true, and the amount of animal protein that most people (at least Americans) seem to think they require is wildly skewed.
DoofDoof 09.04.19	'and the amount of animal protein that most people (at least Americans) seem to think they require is wildly skewed.' I don't think they think about it - they just eat what they want based on how tasty it is
Divaman 09.04.19	So you're anti-cannibalism then, Doof?
garas 09.04.19	"I’ve heard about a lot of sick veggies like cancer sufferers being persuaded to eat meat again" Yeah, because (((surprisingly))) humans are omnivore creatures: meat is somewhat essential, duh.
Itsonlyme 09.04.19	You are what you eat...what comes around goes around...you' re gonna reap what you sow. Vegetarianism is an ethical choice. Listen to the musicians mentioned.
DoofDoof 09.04.19	'You are what you eat...what comes around goes around...you' re gonna reap what you sow.' In the future the meat eaters will be fed to cattle? Fair enough Laurel
EclipseInYourEyes 09.05.19	vegan/vegetarian diets still seem to be controversial, huh?
Itsonlyme 09.05.19	All these musicians in the list prove that a meatless diet is the best for animals, humans and earth.
garas 09.05.19	LOL
Deathconscious 09.05.19	His reasoning is flawed, but his conclusion is true.
PunchforPunch 09.05.19	https://greatist.com/live/why-i-started-eating-meat-after-21-years-vegetarian#6
Artuma 09.05.19	"'we are now delving back into medieval times. Weapons, and war, and animal abuse, and mass killings of human beings and animals, and destruction of the environment, they’re all rampant'" lmao when has this NOT been the case in this world
EclipseInYourEyes 09.05.19	@PunchforPunch: that's just the average "I change my diet but don't really inform myself what it's doing to my body"-nonsense. You can live vegetarian and vegan without dying away or suffering. I mean, I don't fucking care what you eat. I eat meat myself every now and then. But I am sick and tired of those essays or blogs by people who are too stupid to google how to eat properly, because they blame it on the diet and not on their own stupidity
Tb1114 09.05.19	There are ways to be healthy eating meat, there are ways to be healthy eating vegan. There are unhealthy meat eaters and vegans, there are healthy meat eaters and vegans. I believe living by example is the best method of advocating the vegan cause. Moralizing, accusations, and do-gooder degradation are inadequate techniques of causing real behavior change. I've been vegan for years now, but I've never told a single person to go vegan; yet I've still helped a couple handful of people go veggie & vegan by simply being a resource open to them when they come to me with questions. They see me live my life, they see me "thrive," they become inquisitive, and they know I'm not going belittle them. There are many vegans who believe this manner of operation is mild and complicit, but in my experience I believe I've done much more good for the cause than harm. As far as morality and ethics go, the science is pretty clear eating less meat is better for the environment. And it's pretty difficult to argue that between the two options of 1) "killing an innocent living being" & 2) "not killing an innocent living being" that option 1 is the more ethical choice. /my two cents, I'm gonna probably regret the discussion following this comment.
garas 09.05.19	That conclusion is not 100% true. The closest to realitiy is what Tb1114 mentioned: "...pretty clear eating ___less___ meat is better for the environment." So, in case if anyone missed it, the keyword here is: "L E S S"
garas 09.05.19	"that's just the average "I change my diet but don't really inform myself what it's doing to my body"-nonsense. You can live vegetarian and vegan without dying away or suffering. I mean, I don't fucking care what you eat. I eat meat myself every now and then. But I am sick and tired of those essays or blogs by people who are too stupid to google how to eat properly, because they blame it on the diet and not on their own stupidity" [2] "There are ways to be healthy eating meat, there are ways to be healthy eating vegan. There are unhealthy meat eaters and vegans, there are healthy meat eaters and vegans." [2] Thank you guys. As a biologist, I'm sick of the nonsense in this list... Mods, please unfeature this.
DoofDoof 09.05.19	There are just about ways to be healthy on a vegan diet but it involves the very unnatural reliance on additional supplements Not convinced myself. Veggie I could just about do and wouldn’t be worried about my health. If you have a diet you need to take non-food tablet style supplements that’s not a natural diet imo
DungeonBoy 09.05.19	why in the world did anyone feature this to begin with lol
garas 09.05.19	"There are just about ways to be healthy on a vegan diet but it involves the very unnatural reliance on additional supplements" True that, like the sweet B12 vitamin & folic acid - as pills, for example. "why in the world did anyone feature this to begin with lol" Exactly...
DoofDoof 09.05.19	Pills are a pretty desperate way to get nutrition - bit of a lottery how much you are able to digest
TheNotrap 09.05.19	The planet must be the central concern of all nations, of all politicians, of all men. Anyone who has not yet realised that we are questioning future generations is either an idiot or a criminal.
PunchforPunch 09.05.19	You guys took this shit too seriously
garas 09.05.19	Yeah, that's fact. I brought up pills just as an example. (But, for strict vegan that is the only option [at least, the only I know] to get B12 vitamins, becasue they don't eat eggs or any milk products.)
EclipseInYourEyes 09.05.19	you're welcome garas. also: I want to mention that I always express my respect towards people who think about their food. I don't care what their conclusions are, but to realise that food is not something that magically appears in the supermarket is the most important step. What you do with it (where does it grow? how much water does it need? how much co2? were other beings harmed? and so on) is your thing. However, I don't like this boxing "oh I ate a sausage now I am not a vegetarian anymore". Screw that. I already love it if people willingly decide to take a meat free meal when I have lunch with them. Or when they say "usually I eat meat everyday, but now I will have one day without it". Why does it always have to 0 or 1? That's a point I totally hate about that discussion.
DoofDoof 09.05.19	Pescatarian diet would be a good one if the environmental/pollution factors weren't there - or maybe fish and insects too (similar to crustaceans anyway) Look, I love fish, I keep tropical fish, beautiful creatures etc...but if you can humanely kill them with no suffering then really I don't buy the ethical dilemma for fish, crustaceans and insects. Where does it end? "The mosquito is my friend - I shall not harm him even though he gives me malaria." We tread on many tiny organisms every day - what are you going to do? Not move. Even in bed you might crush a dust mite fo' shame.
anat 09.05.19	Doof - I'm not a vegetarian but my last two girlfriends were, and I learnt how to make a smashing potato curry that you'd eat without even thinking about where the meat is
DoofDoof 09.05.19	anatelier - don't get me wrong I like vegetarian/vegan food if done well, no problem. I've been known to order just vegetarian curries at Indian or Thai restaurants, those cuisines lend themselves to the veg diet
Divaman 09.05.19	My sister and her partner went pescatarian for two or three years, but ultimately they couldn't maintain it. Now they're back to being full meat eaters.
Valzentia 09.10.19	veganism is sorely overrated
neekafat 09.10.19	im sure they're honored
Horfeepee01 03.27.20	further clarifying my claim of vegans being pompous asswipes
Deathconscious 03.27.20	ive never come across a pompous vegan, only people who seem to hate them. seems like they reveal who the judgemental douchebags and/or insecure people are more than anything.
oltnabrick 03.27.20	but also because of his ethical, dark world view
Deez 03.27.20	So many dick weeds on this list
thunderlimbo 09.18.20	I could totally go for a steak rn
someguest 09.18.20	"Geezer Butler and Bill Ward are both vegetarians (or even vegan) and devoted to a life without cruelty" this is why you look up to Sabbath? LoL
someguest 09.18.20	“Everybody's going to save something now. 'Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.' And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet."
Itsonlyme 11.11.20	Dear someguest: don't get me wrong, I know more about sabbath than you! How young are you by the way?
TheAntichrist 11.11.20	geezer butler is an old geezer
Itsonlyme 11.11.20	So what? One of the best Geezers ever!
BenThatsMyJamin 11.11.20	I could go veggie except for anything that comes out of or from a chicken. Chicken meat is tasty, healthy and versatile and eggs are the bomb. Vitamin B12 deficiency is an unacknowledged epidemic and will only get worse the more people go vegan
gg901goody 12.07.22	Respect can be measured in more than what you eat. It is one standard of hundreds of moral stances we express. This list is interesting but one-dimensional.
Josh D. 12.07.22	what the hell is "ethical, dark world view"
Josh D. 12.07.22	Also, we get it, you're vegan or whatever.
Jasdevi087 12.07.22	Nina Hagen is also an HIV/AIDS denier conspiracy theorist and is an advocate for the Detransition Advocacy Network, an organisation who don't seem to be particularly respected in the trans community (and i question her motives for supporting this financially anyway) but yeah i guess she might be vegetarian, so i suppose it just depends where your priorities lie