ianblxdsoe: saw It (2017) last night...

ianblxdsoe 09.08.17	DISCUSS! i guess?
Papa Universe 09.08.17	"well that was absolutely fucking phenomenal" Didn't you want to say that It was fucking phenomenal?
ZombieToyDuck 09.09.17	Dad jokes ahoy
TheSonomaDude 09.09.17	the original movie is shit, clowns aren't scary, had no intentions to see this... ...but the critical reviews are overwhelmingly positive, not just from its target audience of 'lol clowns are scary' teens, and it's slowly starting to peak my interest
ZombieToyDuck 09.09.17	Yeah gotta see this
ZombieToyDuck 09.09.17	Cant believe its an hour shorter than the original
Rowan5215 09.09.17	was really worried they would fumble this because the book is a favourite of mine, but goddamn they nailed it. if more horror movies understood that having likable lead characters is a basic requirement for watchability, we would be in a better world
LethalPaintball 09.09.17	seeing it on sunday, very excited
ianblxdsoe 09.09.17	yeah it was so much more story-based than just trying to set up scares yknow
ZombieToyDuck 09.09.17	Sweet im stoked to see it then
wwf 09.09.17	It is amazing. Laughed, cried, it was better than Cats
goblinilbog 09.25.17	Very fun movie, perfect level of grittiness/comedy. Big fan of the book so I was happy it was more true to it than the original movie.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.25.17	Yeah, I thought it was pretty awesome as well. The original adaptation was complete balls outside of Tim though, so it wasn't that impressive that it beat that one out.
Kalopsia 09.25.17	i had the LOWEST expectations for this movie, but agree with you on pretty much everything else. horror movie remakes usually suck balls, but this was legit good.
Thalassic 09.25.17	I don't even think it's really a "horror movie" tho. It felt like an adventure movie with a horror twist.
Thalassic 09.25.17	A lot of creativity went into those "It apparition" scenes. Really hope they'll continue with these inventive, freaky It-saying-hello set pieces for the second part. There's a ton of possibility with this concept.
Frippertronics 09.25.17	it was good, but did it really do the book justice? if part two is any good and they don't fuck up the final act, then yes. until then, i wouldn't say it did the source material justice JUST yet.
TheSonomaDude 09.25.17	Finally saw the damn movie, it wasn't bad. annoying tonal shifts and generic jumpscares were the biggest downside to the film. The characters that were actually explored and had purpose were all likable, but there were a few characters that seemingly had nothing to do. Like the jewish kid and the black kid I swear only had like 3 lines, and the only thing the black kid does is get beat up. the other characters are all great and that one kid, the one who grows up to be a comedian, genuinely got a lot of great laughs out of me. The jumpscares were such a downer. fuck that shit. it isn't scary. Pennywise is a demonic shapeshifting alien clown who eats kids, that's already fucking terrifying as it is. every single scare was so predictable and lazy...the screeching violins ascend in the background as a character approaches something fishy...the violins suddenly stop....BAM LOUD NOISE SCARY JUMPSCARE AHHHHH!!! generic shit. IMO the film would've been much scarier had it focused on the paranoia of Pennywise's pressense. The entire book was about the lingering effects of fear and how it can truly distort and fuck up people, and I think the director should've honed in more on that aspect instead of sticking with hollywood jumpscares I had issues with the tonal shifts too. This wouldve been much better as a straight forward horror film instead of a psuedo-comedy Monster Squad film. Even Monster House, which was an animated PG rated film, balanced this aspect better imo the film is visually stunning tho, and i thought it was extremely well paced for a 146 minute long movie. felt like it was barely over 90 minutes IMO. decent movie but not a horror classic, not even a modern horror classic. 7/10 for me and judging by how my friends are going nuts over it, i'll have no problem seeing it again in theaters. it's good but not without its flaws. Extra points for having Anthrax and Exodus on the soundtrack M/ M/ M/
Sowing 09.25.17	Loved the movie
superluminals 09.25.17	What's a modern horror classic? Oh I'd just LOVE to know
Astral Abortis 09.25.17	I wouldn't say it had generic jumpscares. It had real jumpscares. Generic jumpscares that riddle so many modern horror films is when there's a build up and bang and you shoot your wad because it turns out it was their friend banging on the window or something. All the jumpscares in It are based around Pennywise and the fears of the children so there's legitimate payoff for the tension created. You don't become immediately pacified after each one because a threat still pursues after each one. There are astronomical differences between a good and bad jumpscare. And jumpscares aren't always bad.
TheSonomaDude 09.25.17	Get Out It Follows The Descent The Conjuring Frailty The Witch
superluminals 09.25.17	It follows and the witch, how predictable, not only are those two not scary they're boring too. The conjuring is good tho.
Astral Abortis 09.25.17	Hush was a pretty good modern horror film. I don't see many new ones because I'm mainly a fan of old horror films but I can also agree that It Follows is pretty great if not for a few key things they fucked up (essentially the entire second half of the movie but w/e)
Astral Abortis 09.25.17	But if you're over 18 and still looking for a film to legitimately scare you then i don't know what to say since film just stops being a scary medium after a while.
hal1ax 09.25.17	Fucking hated the witch
TheSonomaDude 09.25.17	I will say the scene the decapitated soldier was genuinely well done, excellent camerawork that had great build up and a terrifying payoff. The slideshow in the garage was thrilling as well. Cant really say much about the rest of them. Jumpscares as a whole are annoying, even if they are "real". Just because the jumpscare actually had Pennywise in it doesnt make it good imo. Jumpscares are just a cheap gimmick to catch people off guard. I don't think It needed any jumpscares because the film is about the lingering concept of fear and how it manipulates people. A wiser directorial decision would've been capture more of that aspect. The jumpscare formula is extremely thin and predictable and i rarely does it ever work for me. i can see it coming from a mile away and i just slump back in my chair and sigh while waiting for the inevitable loud CHUNGGG noise.
TheSonomaDude 09.25.17	It Follows is a masterpiece and is better than this film is almost every single way imo
superluminals 09.25.17	I'm not looking for something to scare me, since horror films usually make me laugh. I'm mostly interested in non cheesy believable concepts/special effects, good acting and good pacing. If the movie isn't entertaining scene for scene it's a failure in my eyes.
superluminals 09.25.17	It follows pool scene(ending) is laughable
polyrhythm 09.25.17	Could have used a couple fewer jump scares, and there was some questionable CGI... like in that weird gangnam style bit. Also, pause the film as Pennywise bites off Georgie's arm and try not to laugh. Other than that, I loved IT. Great visually, well-paced, well-acted, very likeable characters. An improvement on the 90s version across the board. Hyped for Part Two
Astral Abortis 09.25.17	Yeah look It Follows started out super strong but they fucked it up so badly in the end that it really disappointed me. Still a great film but always will be a disappointment in my eyes. It was better. As for the Witch I couldn't even make it past the twenty minute mark I was bored to fucking tears.
polyrhythm 09.25.17	The first half of It Follows was amazing, second half ugh The Witch was 5/5 Get Out was 5/5 Descent was 5/5 Conjuring was like 3/5
Astral Abortis 09.25.17	Man everybody keeps mentioning the It jumpscares but if I'm honest I barely remember many of them and the film never made me jump at all
polyrhythm 09.25.17	Well I was in the second to front row in a deafening loud theatre with a screen like a football field, so all the jumps hit me like a tidal wave
polyrhythm 09.25.17	"As for the Witch I couldn't even make it past the twenty minute mark I was bored to fucking tears" seriously one of my favourite films of all time
TheSonomaDude 09.25.17	It Follow's lackluster ending comes from a lack of budget, which as an independent filmmaker myself is easily understandable. The film was made on a budget of $1million and it's remarkable what they got done on that. Writer/Director David Robert Mitchell had a much bigger ending in mind but simply didn't have the budget to do it, which is what happens sometimes. I personally didn't even mind it even before finding out about the budget or backstory tbh
Astral Abortis 09.25.17	Lol I guess that'll do it. Word to the wise, always sit in the upper middle-back or a cinema.
Astral Abortis 09.25.17	It's not just the ending or anything budgetary. I'm mainly talking about how they fucked the plot and turned the It that Follows into a joke by the end. Especially the scene where you actually see it raping the guy next door. Wooooorst. Never actually SHOW that stuff. Leave it to our imaginations that do a way better job of freaking us out.
polyrhythm 09.25.17	it was mainly how overloud and distorted the sound system was tbh, which would've been about the same wherever I sat
brainmelter 09.25.17	the trailers leading up to release are super hilarious, despite the positive reviews I think I'll pass on this one
Astral Abortis 09.25.17	You're missing out on a very enjoyable film
superluminals 09.26.17	The only jumpscare I remember from IT is when the boy with glasses falls from the second story to the 1st story of the abandoned house and breaks his arm, the clown suddenly appears from no where and kidnaps the girl( one of the best jumpscares I've ever seen since they're usually expected, this one was so sudden and actually scared me.)
SteakByrnes 09.26.17	I definitely wanna see this sometime soon, I need to see what the fuck that scene with him dancing stonefaced is about
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	The biggest one I remember was in the girl's bathroom with her dad and when she turns around it is there and then cuts to a new scene. I don't even remember a loud noise or bang for it. It was nicely done.
superluminals 09.26.17	I really liked the bathroom scene with the blood, maybe it was the angle or something but it looked awesome. Oh and get out is awful too
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	"I definitely wanna see this sometime soon, I need to see what the fuck that scene with him dancing stonefaced is about" You'll get about as much context in-film as you do out of it. He's a clown. He dances. That's why he's called Pennywise the Dancing Clown.
TheSonomaDude 09.26.17	that was one of the best scenes in the film
Hawks 09.26.17	It's amazing yeah.
TheSleepys 09.26.17	I liked it overall. I didn't like the end or the second half as much. I felt like the abuse the kids faced was scarier than pennywise.
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	"I felt like the abuse the kids faced was scarier than pennywise." Literally the entire point of the film I've seen so many people complain about how Pennywise is less scary the more you see him and how redundant he feels by the end of the film, but like...that's the entire point. That's the plot. The point of the whole story is that Pennywise feeds on the true fear that these kids experience in the real world, these real life experiences that tear them apart with anxiety and dread and pain. But when they overcome their own demons Pennywise becomes a useless, pathetic shell that isn't scary at all. In the end he becomes just pitiful to even watch the harder he tries. It's great.
Rowan5215 09.26.17	not to be that guy but I feel like people who wish it was a 'straight horror' film are missing the point. the book is not a straight horror at all. growing up is way scarier than supernatural clown monsters which is literally the whole point
NordicMindset 09.26.17	How could you not include Pennywise on this list
Hawks 09.26.17	"not to be that guy but I feel like people who wish it was a 'straight horror' film are missing the point." Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Rowan5215 09.26.17	this is my favourite King book so I feel qualified to say if they'd made a straight horror film (removing the comedy that defines a lot of the kid's personalities) it would have been fucking garbage. if we don't relate to and empathise with the kids you have no story here. the reason the book is so long is because King sympathetically and carefully gives us chapters inside all their heads - and the heads of characters lesser writers would probably just give one or two lines, like Stan's and Bill's wives - to add dimensionality.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	@ Astral Abortis - EXACTLLYYYY Also Rowan [2]
hal1ax 09.26.17	how do u guys feel about the ring?
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	The movie The Ring?
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	I like the American remake more, sue me Ring Two was fucking awful and I hear that Rings is worse
hal1ax 09.26.17	i've only seen the american one. i like it
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	never saw it because i'm not big on the 90s-2000s era or horror
superluminals 09.26.17	The ring scared da shit out of me when I was younger Haven't seen it since then
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	All about The Witch, now. That's my favorite horror movie of the past several years.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	And yeah, the Ring fucked up some kids at my private school back in the day.
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	I'll have to try and sit through the Witch again, because everyone raves about it but I was waiting for it to get interesting and it was just so shit
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	Yeah, I can see that movie not being for everyone. I was an English major in college so I have a boner for the dialogue. Also the acting all around is ace, the atmosphere is so intense, tension is so tight throughout, and I find the scary imagery to be incredibly effective. It just feels like I'm reading a great horror short story. There were some other great ones I've seen recently, but I'm completely blanking right now. Should probably make a list one of these days.
Rowan5215 09.26.17	wouldst thou care to live.... deliciously? is the best line of this decade horror has been pretty dogshit recently tho. Coherence is the best recent one, check it out lads
Hawks 09.26.17	The Witch sucks and is boring as fuck imo, one of the most disappointing horror movies of recent years for me.
hal1ax 09.26.17	agree with hawks / snox tbh. absolutely detested that film
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	@Hawks - you're thinking of It Follows. I actually love the cinematography and music in that movie (i have the soundtrack on vinyl) but the fact that there are literally no rules in that movie...ugh
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	Wait, then what recent horror movies did you guys like?
superluminals 09.26.17	Ya ur not alone hawks
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	Even though It Follows was super disappointing overall, it still has one of my favourite scenes ever in a horror film. That one long scene of them all sitting at the beach while It walks slowly closer and closer the entire time and there's not music or anything building it up, it's just a completely normal scene until BAM fucking brilliant. anyway, as for recent horror films I think I mentioned earlier I quite enjoyed Hush. That was really good. And It, obviously. I can't really think of many more right now, I tend to stick to 60s-80s when it comes to horror.
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	OH WAIT duh how could I forget: The Cabin In the Woods. Amazing film.
Hawks 09.26.17	It Follows was boring as hell too. IT was honestly one of the best horror movies I've seen recently. Thought the new Annabelle movie was really great too tbh. The Conjuring series has been pretty consistently awesome so far with the exception of the first Annabelle movie which was awful.
TheSonomaDude 09.26.17	i see CITW more as a comedy but it's definitely a great movie, so is Hush
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	The Final Girls was a really fun movie. The Descent ruled, but I'm aging myself because it's like 11 years old. Don't Breathe, most of The Babadook (not a fan of the last 15 minutes or so), and probably something else
Hawks 09.26.17	The Descent and The Babadook are both really great too agreed.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	I didn't love Hush. It was OK
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	"i see CITW more as a comedy but it's definitely a great movie" all horror films are comedies "The Final Girls was a really fun movie" That one bored me to tears. Might be because it was riffing entirely on Friday the 13th, which is equally boring.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	Oh fuck me, I forgot about Get Out
neekafat 09.26.17	Loved it too dude, can't wait for part two!
Hawks 09.26.17	I dug Hush once it really got going.
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	I don't know how far you guys wanna go back but if you're all saying The Descent then I might go ahead and say The Mist.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	@Astral - WHAT? Final Girls had me and my friends crying of laughter - and it definitely wasn't just Friday the 13th - a ton of the humor was just on general tropes of horror in general
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	I enjoyed It Follows for its John Carpenter-isms, but it lost the plot in the second half.
TheSonomaDude 09.26.17	Jeepers Creepers 3 comes out in theaters tomorrow lol
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	@DarkSide: I didn't find it very funny, it just seemed like a spoof on Friday the 13th but with extra, self-aware characters that deterred the best thing about Friday the 13th: the murders.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	Jeepers Creepers is definitely getting 100% on Rotten Tomatoes starting tomorrow and it will never drop a single percent
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	@ Astral - Damn. Well, I will say that it was really weird that it wasn't rated R
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	I feel like people will just rate JC3 rotten no matter what because of the director. That said the first two films were trash so we can only presume this one will be too.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	The Loved Ones, Inside, Martyrs
superluminals 09.26.17	Don't understand get outs praise I mean I was intrigued by the mystery of it all in the beginning but once you find out what that is it kinda ruined the entire movie for me
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	I'm actually gonna be watching a couple of newer films tonight, loosely connected: Found, then Headless. I've heard good things about both so we'll see.
TheSonomaDude 09.26.17	the first JC film starts off excellent but consistently gets worse with every 10 minutes passing. could've been a truly superb horror film had the entire film kept the same intensity as the first 10 minutes. the second one is complete shit. the third will probably be shit too
Hawks 09.26.17	Yesssss Snox for sure The Mist is one of my favorites too. m/ I love the first Jeepers Creepers movie but the second one is terrible.
Futures 09.26.17	idk if don't breathe is really a horror movie or not but it's really good
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	Found was...eh. I liked parts of it, but it was a bit too amateurish for my taste. Two of my friends love the hell out of it, though. Have not seen Headless though. I did see The Woman, Deadgirl, Raw and a couple other very unpleasant ones recently
Hawks 09.26.17	Not really too recent, but I recommend you guys watch High Tension if you haven't. One of the most fucked up horror movies I've ever seen.
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	I'll have to write down a bunch of these newer ones because I haven't even seen The Babadook, The Conjuring, Get Out, etc. I'm still working on a backlist of like 200 b-grade horror films from the 70s and 80s
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	High Tension is great but it has so much Muse
Rowan5215 09.26.17	Coherence, Resolution, Green Room are the only classic horror films of late imo
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	I'll check them all out
Hawks 09.26.17	Idk how I forgot about Get Out, def up there in the top 3-5 recent horror movies that have come out for me.
TheSonomaDude 09.26.17	Get Out is the best film of 2017 so far imo
Hawks 09.26.17	Wouldn't argue with that at all.
Thalassic 09.26.17	"not to be that guy but I feel like people who wish it was a 'straight horror' film are missing the point." I don't think it SHOULD'VE been a straight horror movie, but it's marketed as a horror movie and people going in expecting a full-blown horror flick are gonna be disappointed
Astral Abortis 09.26.17	"I don't think it SHOULD'VE been a straight horror movie, but it's marketed as a horror movie and people going in expecting a full-blown horror flick are gonna be disappointed" People shouldn't put much stock in marketing...
superluminals 09.26.17	If this movie was a straight horror film it wouldn't be nearly as good
Thalassic 09.26.17	Am I the only one who found the first half of Sinister genuinely unnerving? The soundscapes they used in those home videos were downright horrific and when they only showed glimpses of the demon, it was alarming Then in the second half they fucked up with those snotty little brats running around and a tad too much focus on the demon who in close-up appeared to be inspired by Slipknot
Thalassic 09.26.17	"People shouldn't put much stock in marketing..." Agreed "If this movie was a straight horror film it wouldn't be nearly as good" Agreed
Hawks 09.26.17	The Sinister movies are sick too yeah. Insidious movies are sweet too aside from the first one, didn't dig that one.
TheSonomaDude 09.26.17	Sinister is a pretty good movie, about on the same level as this one
TheSleepys 09.26.17	@Astral To me, my point was that the end isn't worth all of the good buildup the movie does.
polyrhythm 09.26.17	As for recent movies that were super tense and uncomfortable, but not really horrors... Don't Breathe Mother Goodnight Mommy
DarkSideOfLucca 09.26.17	"People shouldn't put much stock in marketing" I mean...agreed I guess but when you get excited to go see a movie because of what you were sold and it turns out to be something different, how can you not find that frustrating? Btw I loved IT but just speaking generally.
Kalopsia 09.26.17	The Babadook was shit. My head still hurts from how hard it was cock-blasting you in the face with it's symbolism. Movie: GET IT? GET IT? DDDOO YOU GEEET IT MAAAAAN??? Me: f u, go away. plus that kid actor is hella bad. you want good kid actors go see It (2017) or The VVitch.
Astral Abortis 09.27.17	The Witch is trash
polyrhythm 09.27.17	nah you're just a colossal moron
unclereich 09.27.17	I thought the stand by me esque dialogue and narrative was cute but overall the movie was underwhelming. I had no expectations just wanted to catch a flick. Nothing particularly stood out.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	The Witch is OBVIOUSLY not trash lmao - I mean it may not be your thing, but the cinematography/dialogue/music/acting/etc are fucking top notch. and @plane - I see what you're saying, but c'mon man that ending was unnecessarily out there
brainmelter 09.27.17	the first insidious is the only good one tho
superluminals 09.27.17	no insidious is the good one hehe
Hawks 09.27.17	Idk I thought they got way better after the first one.
Astral Abortis 09.27.17	"The Witch is OBVIOUSLY not trash lmao - I mean it may not be your thing, but the cinematography/dialogue/music/acting/etc are fucking top notch." All that can be on-point, and they are, but if your film is boring and uninteresting, none of that stuff is gonna matter.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	Eh, disagree about it being boring but to each their own Oh also Starry Eyes was fun
ianblxdsoe 09.27.17	jesus christ what the FUCK happened here
Astral Abortis 09.27.17	a thread discussing horror films. this is like the only thread on sputnik that's lasted this long and stayed on topic
Hawks 09.27.17	The Witch just felt like a huge buildup to nothing and that's why I didn't enjoy it. I was waiting for something crazy to happen the whole time and it just never did.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	I don't want to spoil anything here about the Witch, but stuff definitely happened at the end of that movie
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	And yeah dude, you got some horror fans on this site - I'm loving it (McDonalds)
Hawks 09.27.17	Idk bro it just wasn't entertaining to me. :[ I wanted to love that movie, but shit happens ya know.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	No worries, I am just a passionate man in love (with a movie)
Hawks 09.27.17	That's how I am with House of 1000 Corpses/The Devil's Rejects, perfect horror movies for me.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	Rob needs to stop directing shitty movies I remember being afraid of the House of 1000 Corpses trailer back in the day. I also remember seeing Devil's Rejects in theaters and loving it. Then I saw his Halloween remake in theaters and watched him turn a symbol of evil into a troubled redneck with a stripper mom and I haven't liked a single movie of his since.
Hawks 09.27.17	I love the Halloween remakes lol. The only Rob Zombie movie I didn't like was Lords of Salem, that one blows hard.
Thalassic 09.27.17	Lords of Salem is one of his better movies...
Hawks 09.27.17	You're literally the only person I've heard that has said that haha.
Thalassic 09.27.17	Lol yeah probably Devils Rejects is his best by far tho
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	Oof, I hated Lords of Salem Devil's Rejects is the best, yah agreed hard, House used to be my favorite
Hawks 09.27.17	Can't choose between House and Devil's Rejects, both equally amazing for me and my 2 fav horror movies along with the original Halloween. Got Captain Spaulding and Otis tatted on my leg and will be a whole Zombie leg sleeve when it's all said and done. m/
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	I have to go to sleep but I just put on Devil's Rejects for the first time in years m/ That must be a sick tattoo, man. Those characters are great. Still saving up for my Meshuggah inspired art tattoo. Right now I just have some oroborous on my back.
Hawks 09.27.17	Good choice bro. m/ Yeah I have about 40 tattoos haha. I'm covered.
Thalassic 09.27.17	@ Hawks Back in high school I wanted to tatted up from as well (and I also wanted a gold tooth lol) but then I got into bodybuilding pretty deep (even wanted to turn pro at one time) and now years later I still don't have any tattoos and I don't have my gold tooth either lol.
DarkSideOfLucca 09.27.17	I used to want a Slayer tattoo on my neck, glad that I didn't get tattoos when I was like 15