ramon.: art from artist

ramon. 04.26.18	no swearing this is a christian server
ramon. 04.26.18	dont sass me little man my dads a cop
TheSpaceMan 04.26.18	"should you separate art from artist?" you dont have an obligation to but you certainly can
Astral Abortis 04.26.18	People can do whatever they like, but I don't see any point in acting like it's morally wrong to support artists who have done wrong things. If we knew anything about 90% of the faceless entities we support with our money on a daily basis, we likely wouldn't have anywhere good to get any things we need.
Astral Abortis 04.26.18	I mean we don't need to bother separating the grocery from the grocer so let's just jam murder nazi pedophile music and be done with it.
Rigma 04.26.18	for the most part yeah, unless the artist themselves play a far more integral role in the art (ex: daniel johnston)
ramon. 04.26.18	snoxxy u r a man after my own heart rigma u slippery slope having bastard i request trial by combat yeah darius, it caused quite a fuss in a few communities
mortifierftw 04.26.18	I don't think you necessarily should separate art from the artist; I think you can if you want do but you don't have to. It's entirely up to the individual to determine this. However, you shouldn't go around getting mad at people who refuse to listen to your favorite band anymore because they object to actions done by a band member, while on the flip side you shouldn't tell someone they're immoral because they still listen to an artist that has helped them through their personal hardships despite a band member doing something bad. TLDR: Do what you wanna do and don't bother others for doing something else
TheSpaceMan 04.26.18	wow @d all but me ok i see how it be
Astral Abortis 04.26.18	I mean if i bought a steak from my local butcher and then the next day he was arrested for diddling kids, i would probably still eat the steak
Drifter 04.26.18	We should not believe the artists did something bad because that works better than trying to deal with liking someone bad 👌👌👌
mortifierftw 04.26.18	Yeah I don't know if I'd eat that steak tbh, you don't know where it's been...
ramon. 04.26.18	@spacey i almost deleted this list after ur comment u can shut ur mouff i edited the list, does the purchasing of merch or monetary support impact your opinions at all dudebros
ramon. 04.26.18	nothing can come between me and a good steak if you feel me
TheSpaceMan 04.26.18	i will shit on your steak and reupload your list and comment again (:
ramon. 04.26.18	n o t h i n g c a n c o m e b e t w e e n m e a n d a g o o d s t e a k i f y o u f e e l m e
TheSpaceMan 04.26.18	steak me ramon.
Astral Abortis 04.26.18	@mortifier: he diddles kids not steaks Just like the musicians do bad things to other stuff but not the music Unless they do do bad stuff to the music i.e. lostprophets, which i wouldnt listen to even if the singer was the world's best man
TheSpaceMan 04.26.18	astral abortis giving good points itt
Sharkattack 04.26.18	Astral and mort are on fire
zakalwe 04.26.18	It’s all about integrity. If Kurt Cobain was a diddler it’d destroy the art, the enigma and the magic which all contribute in someways to the music itself. Unless of course you’re a soulless, vapid, entitled bellend on meds with no free thought 5’ing Dream Theater albums.
ramon. 04.26.18	im inclined to believe 5ing DT albums has caused so much ruckus over the years that doing so in the present age would net you 17 women and a contributor tag but no one is willing to try interesting view even if i think cobain was an utter mong without the hypothetical diddler story to begin with
ramon. 04.26.18	ignorance is bliss
ScuroFantasma 04.26.18	"morals exist relatively" yeah no they don't I have no standards where this debate is concerned, if I like the music I listen to it, I don't care who made it or why.
Astral Abortis 04.26.18	Yeah morals absolutely exist relatively
zakalwe 04.26.18	Feeding a baby.
zakalwe 04.26.18	Freeing the innocent?
ScuroFantasma 04.26.18	Believing in absolute morality isn't necessary to reject the idea that multiple acceptable yet contradictory moral values can exist concurrently.
zakalwe 04.26.18	Clubbing a baby seals head in?
Astral Abortis 04.26.18	Morals don't have to be acceptable
ScuroFantasma 04.26.18	Depends what kind of moral relativism you're talking about I guess
ScuroFantasma 04.26.18	Oh okay, if you're just talking about the actual phenomenon of differing opinions on morality or whatever then yeah I agree.
ScuroFantasma 04.26.18	Nah that's not the kind of relativism I was disagreeing with, mistakenly I thought you were arguing something else. Some people, for example, think that if its culturally acceptable somewhere on the planet to, I don't know, sacrifice a baby to the cocaine gods or something, that makes it "okay" morally because it's okay in that relative context.
ScuroFantasma 04.26.18	Too many kinds of relativism, sorry for jumping the gun and assuming.
MH18 04.26.18	I have no standards where this debate is concerned, if I like the music I listen to it, I don't care who made it or why. [2] Also, I've never met anyone who gave a shit about what artists do other than making music
ramon. 04.26.18	I’ve met plenty and they are a fun time. Especially when they aren’t studied up enough on some of their favourites to understand they may be being hypocritical
MH18 04.26.18	I'd probably try piss them off with stupid analogies like; everyone who drives a Volkswagen is a nazi.
Sharkattack 04.26.18	Holy shit the fucking duality of moral relativism... :starts eating popcorn: this is what I came here for. Damn Sputnik you’re outdoing yourself
BenThatsMyJamin 04.26.18	If they killed a child then sure maybe don't listen but to do it for political reasons is pretty sanctimonious and retarded Besides people who are a teency bit fucked up or are outsiders in some way (edgy opinions, weirdos) by nature will usually make more colourful and interesting music
Demon of the Fall 04.26.18	Yeah, I want to see a list of 'comfortably at ease with life' albums that are actually decent, bet it's absurdly short.
Rik VII 04.26.18	A piece of art stands and speaks for itself, if a questionable view of the artist is not evident in it, why would it bother you? You obviously can't look up every person that's ever played on a song you liked and check if they ever did something. That said, of course it's only human to feel uncomfortable while listening to someone sing and know that the person that sings is a felon ... So I respect it when people don't listen to a band because it feels wrong for them and keeps them from enjoying the performance of that individual person (I myself could never, ever listen to 4, for example, so there are cases that cross the line for me). But to decline a piece of art solely because you want to feel morally superior because "nooo I don't listen to music by assholes" is just dumb, of course you listen to music by assholes, there are so many assholes in the world, it would be impossible to only listen to albums that have none of them involved lol. You also can't check because you don't know them personally (and even if you did, you wouldn't know). Sooo I understand why it would feel wrong for someone to listen to music made by criminals, but every reason beyond that doesn't really make sense.
DinosaurJones 04.26.18	"Also, I've never met anyone who gave a shit about what artists do other than making music" A lot of people won't watch Chris Benoit matches after he murdered his wife and child, then committed suicide. He's also basically been erased from WWE history. But this is pretty much the same argument, a lot of people still think of him as one of the best wrestlers who ever lived regardless of his last actions in his life.
Winesburgohio 04.26.18	i like chris browns music if that answers your question
Demon of the Fall 04.26.18	I belong to the 'who cares?' side of the argument, not going to restrict my music listening to stuff that isn't made by morally objectionable individuals. And where do you draw the line? I also wouldn't realistically know about 99% of what an artist is really like, save for the few obvious examples. If part of your love for an artists music is the emotional connection to them as a person through their lyrics/how they previously came across in interviews etc. & they happen to be the vocalist (so you're constantly reminded whilst listening) that might be trickier.
ramon. 04.26.18	"And where do you draw the line?" well Yoshi recently committed tax fraud so Nintendo are out of the equation
rabidfish 04.26.18	maybe all your favorite artists are actually trash human beings, but it never comes out. I'm just sayin', enjoy the art you enjoy, don't worry too much about who made it. If you don't want to give artists who you think are bad people your money just pirate it!
Drifter 04.26.18	I'm pretty sure I'm right
ramon. 04.26.18	i agree
Spacesh1p 04.26.18	sup ramon
ramon. 04.26.18	my man space what’s cracking? you been well?
guitarded_chuck 04.26.18	its very important to me how people other than me judge art in this context
osmark86 04.26.18	I think the subtlety of the lyrical content can matter a bit here as well. if someone is singing about diddling kids (thank you Astral for that wonderful expression) you might be a little bit uncomfortable listening to that if it turns out the singer wasn't being satirical or whatnot, but actually reciting personal history. or again, if said lyrics are backed by massive riffs and you don't really give two shits about lyrical content much, or listening to psychos is half the entertainment for you, then hell yeah separate the music from the artist.
JohnFire 04.26.18	It's pretty simple for me - as long as it doesn't influence the music I usually don't care. Not gonna listen to anything made by racists. Gotta say I haven't listened to Lostprophets since this whole babyfucking thing, though. Would be easier if he'd been the bassist. Other than that I'd second rabidfish's point. Also, why's Decapitated on this list?
Trophycase 04.26.18	Who could possibly listen to the opener of Filosofem and not picture burning churches?
osmark86 04.26.18	Those ignorant of that fact? Although I'm sure even they'd hear it in there..
Spacesh1p 04.26.18	Yeah been good but busy how you been my man
mortifierftw 04.26.18	Pro-tip: you don't have to stop listening to Lostprophets if you never listened to them in the first place Plus No Devotion is better anyway
JohnFire 04.26.18	Dude, Start Something might be the album I've listened to the most in my life. didn't leave my discman forever, also due to lazyness. It is still a great album, though. Yes, No Devotion is cool, too.
Zig 04.26.18	who cares? [2] although, I find curiosity to know the artist behind the art, I really don't care if the musician is a junkie or racist or a murderer. If the music promotes that kind of shit, I lose interest listen to it. Think the same applies to Richard Wagner, that guy was an anti-semite and his music is fantastic.
onionbubs 04.26.18	I have heard like 2 lostprophets songs and even if i thought they were good which i didnt, no devotion> anyway entirely thanks to Geoff Rickly
zakalwe 04.26.18	Complete erosion of moral standards. Does no one have a sense of distaste? Anger? Revilement? Is nobody put off something because of someone’s actions? Are people now so detached that everything becomes a detachment? I can’t even bring myself to watch Child’s Play because of Jamie Bulger. Unsettling.
DinosaurJones 04.26.18	Outrage is exhausting to sustain. People just like to go "Oh, how terrible," then it's on to the next thing.
zakalwe 04.26.18	Christ I miss being an apathetic brat.
osmark86 04.26.18	@zak: a quick browse on any social media platform/comment section of a newspaper outlet would be solid evidence that ppl are healthily angry still. God bless.
Papa Universe 04.26.18	I can separate Louis CK's work from Louis CK's jerk.
zakalwe 04.26.18	Anger is an energy
Meridiu5 04.26.18	don't forget arghoslent
Rigma 04.29.18	dont kill me pls
Mentasm 04.29.18	It's easy to listen to stuff like Arghoslent, Burzum, and even nationalistic/racist stuff but I can't bring myself to listen to Lostprophets songs no longer than 30 seconds