GhandhiLion: Let's Discuss Climate Change

Ryus 04.21.19	it doesnt exist /thread
GhandhiLion 04.21.19	classic
SlothcoreSam 04.21.19	What about mass extermination? Wiping out half the world's population would be a start. It would have to be nondiscriminational, let's start by killing everyone born on an even day.
GhandhiLion 04.21.19	Human Beings are special because we change our environment to suite us. Whilst any measures to reduce emissions is noble, zero should be the end goal. But I'm not sure how possible that is. Whilst many of the environmentalist movements aims are noble, there are anti technology/industry themes in the movement that I think are detrimental. If anything I think it will be technology that will get us out of this mess. http://bit.do/eQamB http://bit.do/eQamB
GhandhiLion 04.21.19	@SlothcoreSam I agree there is a strong anti-human rhetoric that comes from the environmentalist movement. Some argue that people should not have children to reduce your carbon footprint... What are your realistic solutions?
YakNips 04.21.19	yeah we need more of what caused this entire problem that’s genius man
GhandhiLion 04.21.19	Do you think we should return to a primitive way of life YakNips? That is the last solution I would want to be enacted and I fear it is the only one that can work. Also how is it possible to encourage this lifestyle across the whole world?
Source 04.21.19	"let's start by killing everyone born on an even day" nice knowing all of you
budgie 04.21.19	" If anything I think it will be technology that will get us out of this mess. " well for sure, we're well past the point of needing mass-scale carbon sequestration (not just cutting back ghgs). where's the tech though. best i saw was fucking, fields of grass, lol.
JustJoe. 04.21.19	born on an odd day anyone wanna switch?
neekafat 04.21.19	ill switch
JustJoe. 04.21.19	RiP jusTJoE.
Deathconscious 04.21.19	"Some argue that people should not have children to reduceyour carbon footprint..." the fact that millennials are having less children is in fact a good thing, and i hope it continues to trend down that way.
GhandhiLion 04.21.19	Misanthrope?
Keyblade 04.21.19	"What about mass extermination? Wiping out half the world's population would be a start. It would have to be nondiscriminational, let's start by killing everyone born on an even day" slow down Thanos jeez
JustJoe. 04.21.19	He’s got a point, Key. Let’s be honest with ourselves here.
Deez 04.21.19	We are fucked. Not enough people care. Wed have have to completely shift from the capitalist system in which we live and we wont. Humans are too short sighted. There are people trying. More countries are using Solar and Wind and clean energy . Then youve got that retard leader of the free world saying they cause chance ffs. What chance have you got? Th earth needs to sprinkle us little turd humans off her shoulders and start again. Once that permafrost cracks its game over
JustJoe. 04.21.19	Are you an even or odd birthday? I wanna switch again.
budgie 04.21.19	i have even birthday joe!
JustJoe. 04.21.19	I was an odd then I switched with neeka now I am an even but I don’t know if I want to be eradicated yet. So many emotions at this time.
YakNips 04.21.19	yes i think a “primitive” way of life is superior in that you’re able to sustain yourself autonomously and you’re not fucking up things that aren’t easily unfucked. not that the average person is really responsible for climate change, obviously almost all of it is caused by massive corporations but technology is still the central problem
SlothcoreSam 04.21.19	The technology to make a difference has existed for decades, the problem is the big multinational corporations and governments, I'm talking to you oil and gas companies, Saudi, USA et al, have squashed any attempts to change the way we live, because their profits will take a massive hit. The other solution apart from mass extermination, would be to stage an uprising of epic proportions. Overthrow most governments, take down the big carbon emitting industries, and go back to preindustrial living. But that then means no electricity, computers, Internet and therefore no Sputnik debates. So looks like even day people are dead.
JustJoe. 04.21.19	guess we will die together, budgie. 😇
Trebor. 04.21.19	Electric cars exist yet most of us are still gas cucks. Corporations and lobbyists are the main issue
budgie 04.21.19	i could not ask for a better death comrade!
JustJoe. 04.21.19	♥️
SlothcoreSam 04.21.19	I'm Super Ceareal about ManBearPig.
budgie 04.21.19	lol... speaking of mr. gore... he may well have contributed to the trend of understanding global warming to be some conspiratorial alarmism designed to push book sales.. a great disservice mr. gore! also fuck the pmrc!
GhandhiLion 04.21.19	"The technology to make a difference has existed for decades" What technology is this?
budgie 04.21.19	" What technology is this? " here in california we have hydrogen fuel cell buses..
SlothcoreSam 04.21.19	@Ghandi, chemical warfare, anthrax, other potential mass-casualty pathogens, nuclear weapons, or pharmaceutical mass sterilization.
Sinternet 04.21.19	'Electric cars exist yet most of us are still gas cucks. Corporations and lobbyists are the main issue' i mean you can't get a used electric car for less than a grand so you're instantly unable to reach the lower class market that way it kinda ties into the one big problem with this kind of middle-class activism, it places the onus on the working class to solve the crisis, therefore absolving the real culprits, corporations, of as much guilt as they are due. for instance, in england we've just had the plastic bag tax in the last few years, and while that's a decent idea it accounts for miniscule amounts of pollution and risks compared to heavy industry, air travel and the like. what we really need is a global carbon tax/emissions tax to incentivise eco-friendly production and practices by corporations
ArsMoriendi 04.21.19	Nuclear power is probably the answer Also planting a fuckton of trees I guess What do I know? I'm no environmental scientist
BerryGarlicia 04.21.19	This is gonna end badly
budgie 04.21.19	aw ars youre an environmental scientist in my eyes :}
J() Alexander 04.21.19	Any anprims here?
kalkwiese 04.21.19	An internet discussion about climate change on a forum like sput? Sounds like a horrible idea. There is no way I'm gonna participate in that, because this shit will be bumped all the time. Edit: shiiiiiiit
garas 04.21.19	"We are fucked. Not enough people care." [2] :-(
AnimalsAsSummit 04.22.19	environmentalism is a new age death cult made by self-loathing think-tankers. as bad as flat out denialism.
Meridiu5 04.22.19	The united states should do what brazil does and make biofuel from sugar cane. The only thing preventing that here is a corrupt price floor on sugar. Gasoline could be carbon neutral at about $5 per gallon which isnt bad.
AnimalsAsSummit 04.22.19	yeah the modern fuel industry and its backers is a towering megalith that I think most humans can agree is due for an overhaul
mindleviticus 04.22.19	we'll be fine as long as I get a nice condominium on the dyson sphere
Nerdurosis 04.22.19	Wind energy ftw
EclipseInYourEyes 04.22.19	1) plant shit tons of trees to take CO2 out of atmosphere 2) produce charcoal from burnt wood and plants, plant it into the ground to stop erosion and put back CO2 into the ground from the air 3) produce methanol (basically fuel made out of water), which also binds CO2 and there is a climate neutral fuel. we don't even need electric cars then which have a horrible footprint (at least right now, I am sure there will be ways to be more efficient in producing them) 4) more solar power on every building possible 5) help Africa as fast as possible out of poverty so that their fertility rate will finally sink. Stop seeing at as normal/normative to have children at some point. I know so many women who really get pissed if people ask them "but when do you want to have children?". Forcing this view onto people will not help. And I don't know, maybe adopt a child rather than making one. I know it is just me, but I don't get why people always want to see their own fucking faces in their children. my 2 cents.
zakalwe 04.22.19	We’ll colonise the moon and fuck that up within about 20yrs of landing on it.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/USStatesWWS.pdf this paper describes how we could switch to 100% renewables by 2050 with no nuclear
zakalwe 04.22.19	As long as it can be marketed, exploited and sold it’ll happen.
Sniff 04.22.19	i'll market, exploit and sell you if you don't watch yourself
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	the market would make it happen naturally except that lobbyists get the government to incentivize the survival of oil and gas
Winesburgohio 04.22.19	unironically: we're fucked unless we overthrow or drastically alter our Capital model. people can march all they want (for what?) but unless the fortuna 500 companies, who contribute most, change their ways any small steps, as valiant as they are, are useless. i can't imagine any centrist government brave enough to tackle that elephant in the room.
Egarran 04.22.19	We may have to prepare for a future without individually wrapped candies.
Winesburgohio 04.22.19	so basically have as many kids as you want if 100 companies are responsible for 71 percent of toxic emissions? not a hell of a lot you can do (although please recycle)
Egarran 04.22.19	If every couple only has one child, humanity will be halved in 50 years. That way it may be possible to maintain a world with individually wrapped candies.
anarchistfish 04.22.19	"the market would make it happen naturally" free markets tend towards monopolies, so how do you figure that? if anything, catastrophe just provides opportunity for new capital flows. there's nothing "natural" about markets either. they take many different forms. for me the classic line sums it up (think it was Fredric Jameson who first said this): it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism. the fact is beyond CO2 there's still much more to the human-environment relationship. how we use our resources, our land, destruction of habitats, pollution, hazardous waste, agriculture. just solving CO2 isn't gonna answer those questions. neither will handing it to market or technocratic logic. as it is we're gonna face real challenges in the next few decades and I think that's inevitable. it won't hit the whole world equally but it will touch everyone. food resources are gonna face problems, large scale migration is likely, not to mention all the feedback loops over which we have no control once they're activated.
anarchistfish 04.22.19	"Human Beings are special because we change our environment to suite us. " never heard of beavers? or bird nests? or symbiosis? what is the environment anyway if not the totality of biochemical agencies
Egarran 04.22.19	The half-time ad in the game I watched yesterday was extolling a pesticide that could keep your lawn free from moss and insects. It was like being back in the 80s. Oh and the next ad was of course about individually wrapped candies - which I thought was a good metaphor for the abyss between words and action in this subject.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	the monopoly here is the monopoly the oil and gas industry hold, as directed by government incentivization
anarchistfish 04.22.19	austrian school is Cartesian fappery. can't blame the government for everything dude. the fact is that capitalism is messy, and if you can get your foot in the door early on and take control of a market, its resources and infrastructure, you can bust every competitor's balls until you can't be dethroned or can just buy everyone out. it only tends one direction when it's left to the market.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	except inevitably greed will take over the control such as the greed of the oil and gas lobbyists giving a monopolisitic control of the energy sector
anarchistfish 04.22.19	yh, you can't talk about capitalism without government (nor violent appropriation actually). these forms have developed together since the beginning, ever since capital first started manipulating the environment into commodifiable resources. there has to be some form of political organisation between groups and individuals, so if you got rid of our current form of government what do you think would happen? is power spread evenly or does it correlate to control of resources and violence? doesn't that just lead to its own form of government?
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	governments form organically yes but what im telling you is monopolies actually dont sustain themselves in an open market, the market will drive innovation and corporations come and go so long as the government doesnt intervene and maintain the monopolies such as they have done with oil and gas
GhandhiLion 04.22.19	@anarchistfish Our way of changing the environment is on a much larger scale than any other organism. The way we changed the environment has constantly changed because of our advanced brains. The bird builds nests today, and it will likely build those same nests in 100 years. Government and capitalism kind of depend on each other. Lobbying and corruption is inevitable so long as there is no separation of political power and economic power. And that separation is a pipe dream.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	it's not a pipe dream but it requires an educated populace choosing the right governance in america you have two parties both being lobbied by oil and gas and therefore neither discuss this topic much, it would take an educated public demanding a change and voting for it you know, democracy
GhandhiLion 04.22.19	I'd like to think most people take issue with bribes, at least when it is not your side.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	by the way dont think the media isnt lobbied to distract people from this issue either two years spent on a russian conspiracy theory proved false kept all the sheep mesmerized and completely ignorant of this topic
J() Alexander 04.22.19	I don't think he does.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	alexander do you believe gay people are good people
J() Alexander 04.22.19	Some of them are.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	since when have you emerged from mommys basement then pat on the head
J() Alexander 04.22.19	We have no basement.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	we implying you do in fact still live with your parents and no basement implying you are poor fix that
J() Alexander 04.22.19	I mean, yeah, I still do.
GhandhiLion 04.22.19	I believe in climate change yes. Why would you think not Alex?
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	he got a sense that you were the "other" and ran other.exe assuming you had opposite opinions than he on everything like every other small minded idiot around these days
J() Alexander 04.22.19	"Why would you think not Alex?" It was a joke, the fact that you made this thread makes very obvious that you do. And I can read and what you say in this thread also makes it very obvious. I'm gonna stop making jokes at this point, I'm pretty bad at them.
Rolling Girl 04.22.19	We should fix the climate eh?
GhandhiLion 04.22.19	Nah let it go, we don't need the earth anyway. Elon musk will take us to mars dw.
Meridiu5 04.22.19	not having kids in order to fight global warming is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.
guitarded_chuck 04.22.19	to each their own although the moment someone starts sharing their righteousness i question their true motives
budgie 04.22.19	"the market would make it happen naturally except that lobbyists get the government to incentivize the survival of oil and gas" lol jfc.
EclipseInYourEyes 04.23.19	I don't know how it is in your countries, but aside from climate change, we have a huge problem with the extinction of insects, especially bees. THAT would fuck us up big time. Climate is something we can adapt to at least to some degree. But without bees and all our food won't grow.
Egarran 04.23.19	But I don't like moss in my lawn.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	I think we're 'all in' - more people (more population equates to more 'invention' and clever ideas) and technology have to deliver now. Think it's too late to totally revert to a 'more simple' way of life or bring in a worldwide 'China style' one child or less policy (imagine the practicalities of this). Obviously being aware of our impact and reducing it is to be encouraged right now. Just think we need more than that - prove we're a clever species or die tryin'
StrikeOfTheBeast 04.23.19	My obscure metal bands have been singing about climate change therefore it must be true.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	It's the countdown to extinctiooooooooon The long haired ginger growler was right
zakalwe 04.23.19	70% of the protesters are a swampy bunch of hypocrite cunts
DoofDoof 04.23.19	No! Emma Thompson is legit, my cynicism aerials are picking up nothing concerning form her aura whatsoever
EclipseInYourEyes 04.23.19	The strength of humans is the ability to adapt. Unlike most of other mammals, the brain of human babies is not "hardwired". A new born has just as much brain cells as an adult but by far not as much connections. Therefore is has the potential to build said connections that are needed in its environment. Humanity won't go extinct, but many will die or get in serious problems (looking at you, Netherlands).
Artuma 04.23.19	netherlands was supposed to be under water like 7 years ago. still waiting
Valkoor952 04.23.19	yeah, you'll wait quite a lot don't worry, might not even be alive
Chambered79 04.23.19	Planting treeeees
GhandhiLion 04.23.19	Reminder that china hasn't had the one child policy for a while now. It failed, now they want amininum of 2.
zakalwe 04.23.19	The Indians are worse than the Chinese when it comes to pollutants. Proper dirty bastards.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	Ghandi - yeah, it didn’t/wouldn’t work. Education and family planning above totalitarian type policies I’m thinking.
Artuma 04.23.19	"yeah we need more of what caused this entire problem that’s genius man" wait that's what caused the problem? technology? really?
DoofDoof 04.23.19	Birth rates might fall anyway. At 40 my balls feel like they’re full of micro beads, steroids, breast enhancing hormones and a few gender confused swimmers. Prob useless, might get rid.
zakalwe 04.23.19	Same Doof mate. I blame the hole in the ozone layer which nobody ever mentions anymore for some peculiar reason.
Egarran 04.23.19	The individual should not get troubled about this, beyond voting for and supporting environmentalist parties and companies. There is no responsibility for the common pleb to save the environment by not flying or buying an electric car. At least don't get a climate depression because you're not 'doing enough'.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	CFCs are evil and required banning. Think the ozone layer patched things up. Or was that boyzone? Also CFC of the premier league is evil and requires banning.
Egarran 04.23.19	Fun fact that illustrates this well: Silent Spring by Rachel Carson, which warned about the dangers of pesticides, is from 1962.
EclipseInYourEyes 04.23.19	yep, there are so much fails in history. A scientist discovered the holes in the ozon layers 10 years before NASA - but he didn't dare to publish cuz he thought "NASA has satellites and all that stuff and don't say thing, so I might be wrong" - turns out he was right and the satellites from NASA even did measure the holes but sorted them out by default cuz they were treated as statistical extreme values. But ozon is really patched up...it's pretty interesting chemical cycle with ozon
Demon of the Fall 04.23.19	'not having kids in order to fight global warming is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.' Damn, but this was going to be my (disingenuous) response to anyone who asks why I'm not having kids. It would've made a change from 'mind your own f**ing business'.
zakalwe 04.23.19	Maybe there’s too much ozone now.
Egarran 04.23.19	Not sure that's how it works, but it would be strangely ironic.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	There's still too much Boyzone, ozone I dunno
budgie 04.23.19	"Not sure that's how it works, but it would be strangely ironic. " haha. methane i think from exhausts reacts in the lower atmosphere and turns into ozone, which at high concentrations is a significant health issue, and at any rate is considered a pollutant.
zakalwe 04.23.19	It was massive in the 80s. Ozone friendly this, ozone friendly that. The fact that everyone would be skin cancerd upto their eyeballs. Then there were rumours the hole was getting smaller and then literally overnight everyone forgot about it.
guitarded_chuck 04.23.19	it began to recover in the 2000s so it wasnt an issue anymore yeah likewise we don't argue over ronald reagan or the berlin wall anymore
zakalwe 04.23.19	Ronald Reagans corpse isn’t going to get re-animated. Barring some political miracle the wall won’t get re-pointed. We continue to pump shite into the atmosphere at an alarming rate but nobody gives a fuck about the ozone layer depleting again. It’s never mentioned. I’m pretty sure going a bit further back the boffs said there was going to be a fuck of massive ice-age which is obviously bollocks. It does make you think.
BandNewbac 04.23.19	All I know is that here in Western Norway we're experiencing some of the hottest weather ever recorded as well as forest fires, something fairly unprecedented here. I can tell that its due to the climate "changing". In addition to this we've experienced extreme cold winters more than usual here as well as other parts of northern europe (Britain). Something is definitely going on, cant say what though.
zakalwe 04.23.19	Has it always happened though every few thousand years? Hot and cold climate ‘eras’ I honestly have no idea.
budgie 04.23.19	"Something is definitely going on, cant say what though. " climate change, lol. in the early 2000s there was that heat wave which is attributed to like, 30,000 deaths. but in general, winters will get more extreme, summers will get more extremes. 'global warming' has turned out to be a pretty lousy term which half the populace misunderstands on a fundamental level. the event should be called 'climate instability.' also frustrating that people think, in maybe 200 years when sea levels have increased and stabilized, that humanity just needs to move inland a couple of miles and everything will be fine, like that's the primary alteration or even only alteration that will happen.
BandNewbac 04.23.19	It has yeah, but its more to do with the rate in which it is changing at the moment. there are natural cycles that change climate (milankovitch cycles) as well as things such as sunspot activity but these are things that are well understood and tend to happen at a much slower rate than the current changes are occurring at
BandNewbac 04.23.19	by cant say what I mean in relation to the cause, be it man made or natural or a combination of both
budgie 04.23.19	zakalwe, milankovitch cycles are 100k years i think
anarchistfish 04.23.19	"Has it always happened though every few thousand years? Hot and cold climate ‘eras’ I honestly have no idea." the holocene was meant to have started 10k years ago. they're now discussing whether the holocene is even relevant anymore and there's all the discourse around an "anthropocene". the pleistocene prior to the holocene is dated from 2.5mya to 10k bc. not only this but the extinction event going on now is up there with the biggest in geological history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction so no, it's not really the same intensity as most "natural" shifts. it's quite a bit more intense
BandNewbac 04.23.19	also things like the medieval warm period and the little ice age and the 8.2k event and things like that are all natural changes.
zakalwe 04.23.19	Gotcha. Cheers lads. I’ve absolutely no doubt whatsoever we are contributing to it and we are clearly affecting our environment as we always have done but as long as I do my bit there’s fuck all that can be done about I spose.
anarchistfish 04.23.19	vote corbyn
xfortinx 04.23.19	ill change ur climate bb
zakalwe 04.23.19	Will never vote Tory or Labour unless drastic changes are made.
BandNewbac 04.23.19	vote corbyn against israel
anarchistfish 04.23.19	vote green
BandNewbac 04.23.19	lmao voting nowadays is a joke regardless to be honest, not as if the people have any say whatsoever in what happens to their country.
budgie 04.23.19	"I’ve absolutely no doubt whatsoever we are contributing to it and we are clearly affecting our environment as we always have done but as long as I do my bit there’s fuck all that can be done about I spose. " yeah we are, well the IPCC SR15 that came out in october carried the statement that the current climate trends are with a 97% or maybe 98% certainty anthropogenic so for most of us the question is well beyond "are we contributing to it" lol but i think a large sect of the populations have this argument that "well if we inhibit our GPD to mitigate near-future warming projections and other countries don't then we will risk our hegemonic influence" which is understandable logic but it's going to kill us all. i strongly believe our modern tendencies toward nationalism are preventing people from dealing with anthropogenic climate change. but hey, in the 80s reagan and gorbachev were able to secure some disarmament like with the INF treaty. but on the other hand, the INF treaty was just dropped from both US and Russia like, two months ago? so yeah, i don't know
veninblazer 04.23.19	"ill change ur climate bb" oh my god
iglu 04.23.19	it's hot and it sucks
Egarran 04.23.19	Btw invest in CO2 converters. The market is gonna fix this.
budgie 04.23.19	"The market is gonna fix this. " not you too egarran :(
EclipseInYourEyes 04.23.19	"All I know is that here in Western Norway we're experiencing some of the hottest weather ever recorded as well as forest fires, something fairly unprecedented here. I can tell that its due to the climate "changing". In addition to this we've experienced extreme cold winters more than usual here as well as other parts of northern europe (Britain)." Due to the lowering difference in temperature between the two poles and the equator, important winds called "jetstream" are getting weaker. That is one reason for the slower weather changes. The high/low pressure areas move slower. So if you have a hot area right now, it is likely that it will stick to you for a while. Same thing for cold weather areas...just like in the US last year.
anarchistfish 04.23.19	"lmao voting nowadays is a joke regardless to be honest, not as if the people have any say whatsoever in what happens to their country." yh basically but this is zak so i'm not hoping for much "The market is gonna fix this." delusional
zakalwe 04.23.19	UKIP
Minushuman24 04.23.19	I've been moving to lessen my impact on the environment. It may not do much, but it's better than becoming a self fulfilling prophecy, or putting the burden on everyone else but myself.
Egarran 04.24.19	"not you too egarran :(" After many many hippie lefty profeminist posts around sputnik, this is where you react. IT WAS A JOKE shit the motherfucking left has no humor after all CO2 converters LMAOOOOO have you heard about trees but SURE here's fishboy let's jump straight to the ad hominems NO UR DESLUSIONAL are 12 years old? Solidarity is out the window at the fist chance you get isn't it? So thanks for hyping the impending apocalypse and if you think I'm overreacting well yes probably.
StrikeOfTheBeast 04.24.19	It's funny how people say that it's just getting hotter (which is partly true), but it's also getting colder so budgie's on to something with the 'climate instability' thing.
unclereich 04.24.19	i'll probably get killed at church by radical islamic terrorists before this matters so not too worries m/
Keyblade 04.24.19	ironically ur likelier to get hit by a 50 gallon 18 wheeler
Egarran 04.24.19	Inshallah.
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	"It's funny how people say that it's just getting hotter (which is partly true), but it's also getting colder so budgie's on to something with the 'climate instability' thing." I hugely depends where you are living. USA felt both extremes last year, Europe and Australia only had the hot streak.
StrikeOfTheBeast 04.24.19	Not even two months ago (I think), we had a blizzard come out of nowhere that put most of the Northern states down to like negative 30/40/50 degree weather. It was cray cray. Even Florida dipped below 30 for a couple days.
Sinternet 04.24.19	can your retarded country just use celsius like everyone else because i was hella confused for a minute there
unclereich 04.24.19	Since we invented everything ever-including the get al gore rich quick global warming scheme- we feel its ok to use our own temp scale
StrikeOfTheBeast 04.24.19	lmao 'murica
GhandhiLion 04.24.19	UKIP is a meme. A very islamaphobic meme.
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	lol Strike
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	if you dont support sharia law ur islamaphobic
Meridiu5 04.24.19	It amazes me that islamaphobia is even a word when you see what happens to non-muslims living in muslim countries. Its literally genocide
MO 04.24.19	"It amazes me that islamaphobia is even a word when you see what happens to non-muslims living in muslim countries. Its literally genocide" this, it's fucking sickening really, the double standard is so ridiculous
Keyblade 04.24.19	assuming that's even true, not sure what that has to do with islamophobia existing or not, that's such a dumb red herring but if we want to play stupid games, there are literal actual genocides of Muslims taking place or on the cusp of taking place at the hands of non Muslims in Myanmar, China and the CAR. if we were to follow the dumb ass logic above that would mean islamophobia exists
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	"assuming thats even true" key are you that ignorant of reality holy smokes
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam heres your jump off point log off cnn.com kid
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	In 2016, the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association (ILGA) released its most recent State Sponsored Homophobia Report. The report found that thirteen countries or regions impose the death penalty for "same-sex sexual acts" with reference to sharia-based laws. The death penalty is implemented nationwide in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen; implemented locally in Nigeria (12 northern states) and Somalia (southern parts); allowed by the law but not implemented in Afghanistan, Mauritania, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates; implemented through non-state courts by ISIS in parts of Iraq and Syria.[122] are you defending this you fucking homophobe
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	The point Keyblade is trying to make, is still valid. That would be, like you said chuck, homophobia. So what's the problem? I think his "assuming" refers mostly to the rather generalizing statement "what happens to non-muslims in muslim countries". Check Indonesia for example. Muslim country but they are chill
Keyblade 04.24.19	I'm not saying it's not true, I'm saying even if I choose to accept that framing, wtf
Relinquished 04.24.19	chuck tryna pick a fight again
Keyblade 04.24.19	also he said what happens to non Muslims is, I quote, 'literally genocide' even if I was disputing his claim, which I wasn't, what the hell does lgbt rights have to do do with that? how hard were u reaching there to call me a homophobe, jesus christ
Egarran 04.24.19	What are yalls religions? It changes critique of a religion a lot of it comes from someone of a rival religion. For example I am strongly anti-christian and believe God wants to expose the church hierarchy as a tool of Satan's soldiers. You think Notre dame was a coincidence? How about the Sri Lanka terror? Nah this has God's almighty fingertips all over.
DoofDoof 04.24.19	say what
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	"I'm not saying it's not true, I'm saying even if I choose to accept that framing, wtf" youre being a bitch and skirting the reality because youre conditioned to think not doing so is islamophobic get new friends
Keyblade 04.24.19	what
Keyblade 04.24.19	nigga i'm muslim
Relinquished 04.24.19	the projection is real
Relinquished 04.24.19	yikes
Keyblade 04.24.19	jfc
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	@Egarran: so...is "anti-christian" your religion or what is it? since you mentioned your believe in god and satan I assume it is christianity. I got raised as a protestant but as soon as I legally could stepped out of church. So I guess I am an atheist. I despise organized religion. Believe what you want to believe in, it is fine. But as soon as these structures get organisational and hierarchies begin to exist and someone (like the pope for instance) tells you what to believe, the misuse starts.
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	im sorry did i say something offensive what are you islamophobic
zakalwe 04.24.19	I recently converted to Islam. You have to round these parts now and even though I fully submit I’m still given shifty looks by the brothers. I don’t think I’m accepted but hey-ho I can’t complain. It’s quality but by Christ I’m absolutely gagging for a bacon sarnie.
Egarran 04.24.19	I think most religions are massive, cruel jokes that undermine any faith in humanity, but then again, some of my best friends are invisible.
osmark86 04.24.19	I see chuck is being his usual likable self. everything is in its right place.
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	So...does god want climate change?
BigPleb 04.24.19	What's happened here, wow.
zakalwe 04.24.19	There was a change of climate
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	im sorry osmark do you want me to support the death of gays
osmark86 04.24.19	thread turned into "let's shout at each other about religion" which is, ofc, unavoidable since God made this earth
osmark86 04.24.19	I don't want anything out of you chuck. you do as you please.
BigPleb 04.24.19	I'm an atheist so feel lost in all this religious chatter.
anarchistfish 04.24.19	the thread turned into the religion the moment people started saying the market will fix it
DoofDoof 04.24.19	'I recently converted to Islam. You have to round these parts now and even though I fully submit I’m still given shifty looks by the brothers. I don’t think I’m accepted but hey-ho I can’t complain. It’s quality but by Christ I’m absolutely gagging for a bacon sarnie.' As Michel Houellebecq cheekily pointed out, 'soumission' to Islam could be a moderate improvement for some European fellas if the base level of life satisfaction among males drops significantly low. Wives without conventional courtship, some more traditional ideas of status, etc.
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	"I don't want anything out of you chuck. you do as you please." you said im being unlikable for trashing a religion that calls for the instatement of a law that kills gay people, do you want gay people killed or not this is all very confusing dont skirt around the issue here you utmost fucking pussy
anarchistfish 04.24.19	i'd rather funnel sawdust down my ass than engage with this libertarian garbage that acts like the government is an oppositional force to capitalism
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	yeah you wouldnt want to expose yourself to alternative viewpoints fish that would bruise your ego too much let me link to your echo chamber so you can go fuck off http://reddit.com/r/chapotraphouse
anarchistfish 04.24.19	only echo chamber i chill in is your sister's vagina
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	LOL dude good one literally using my joke v creative
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	my sister isnt into betas that want the government to give them a life handout for free go lift pussy
anarchistfish 04.24.19	that's cool i already got a handout from my dad
osmark86 04.24.19	I said you're likable chuck, and for no particular reason
Relinquished 04.24.19	oooh he's so 'alpha' he's on high-alert for affronts watch out everyone save the kids from his small calves
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	im sure you dad loves you for wasting his money on degrees with zero potential for employment id be all in on communism too
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	BUT WHAT ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE!?!?!?!?!
Egarran 04.24.19	The market will fix it.
osmark86 04.24.19	[2]
DoofDoof 04.24.19	Chuck - that dead horse might be all beaten up now You have expressed thyself fully with zero room for misinterpretation, we move on
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	the best posts were removed i must reinsert applicable oomph to restore balance
Relinquished 04.24.19	you punch weak
Keyblade 04.24.19	coming at ppls mothers is just bitchmade
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	coming at people for criticizing islam is BiTchMADe
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	why have you not yet covered up your sister jesus FUCKING CHRIST I CAN SEE HER CHIN
GhandhiLion 04.24.19	Chuck: I don't know the difference between Shia, Wahhabi and Sunni Muslims
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	user keyblade im sorry to inform you i have reports you have indeed sucked cock im going to have to toss you over this building
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	quiet now, you brought this on yourself
GhandhiLion 04.24.19	ISLAM WILL INVADE THE WEST AND KILL THE WHITE MAN WAKE UP SHEEPLE
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	in the year 2001 islam will kill 3000 americans
GhandhiLion 04.24.19	Chuck aren't you a Trumptard?
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	no but i like how you and others here automatically make such assumptions like the utterly absent minded sheep you are did you not see me calling for renewables in your thread about climate change do you know that trump says climate change isnt real are you stupid
GhandhiLion 04.24.19	Did you know you can support a politician without agreeing with them on everything?
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	did you know you will be granted eternal life if you accept donald trump as your lord and savior
Keyblade 04.24.19	"coming at people for criticizing islam is BiTchMADe" my favorite thing that chuck does is when he uses the word the other person used against him as some sort of gotcha, every time he's like this kid, except on a music website https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/026/169/meme_kid.jpg
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	I really tried to get back to climate change... But to explain myself: I do support the LBGTQ community when it comes to institutional hate against them like the new laws in Brunei. However, I just thought your statements were too generalizing and saying that Islam is the problem for the LBGTQ community implies that every other religion is fine with it. They're not. Bible says same shit about gays. Most conservative countries like Turkey or Russia discriminate LBGTQs. But yeah, Islam is the only evil. All I wanted was that you would differentiate instead of just blaming a whole group of people without any distinction, which is always the easy way.
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	my favorite thing is that keyblade isnt bold enough to denounce an ideology that kills gay people and would call his mother a whore bitchmade
GhandhiLion 04.24.19	Again, not all of them kill the gays : )
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	In 2016, the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association (ILGA) released its most recent State Sponsored Homophobia Report. The report found that thirteen countries or regions impose the death penalty for "same-sex sexual acts" with reference to sharia-based laws. The death penalty is implemented nationwide in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen; implemented locally in Nigeria (12 northern states) and Somalia (southern parts); allowed by the law but not implemented in Afghanistan, Mauritania, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates; implemented through non-state courts by ISIS in parts of Iraq and Syria.[122] : )
Keyblade 04.24.19	ur a grown ass 30 year old man
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	good one
Relinquished 04.24.19	yea a joke within itself agreed
GhandhiLion 04.24.19	------------------------------------Back to topic https://epic.uchicago.edu/research/publications/do-renewable-portfolio-standards-deliver The free market will not fix things. Renewables are more expensive.
DoofDoof 04.24.19	More expensive now but always more expensive in the next 20 years? A lot of the issues seem to be due to the infrastructure for renewables being isolated and dispersed currently etc. That could change, esp if the tech gets cheaper in general.
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	incentivize renewables instead of oil and gas, problem solved, you're welcome, also ban the muslims, chuck 2020
Relinquished 04.24.19	infrastructure all around needs to get better for sure
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	it pays off in the end because you dont have to keep importing oil from isis domestic, renewable tax incentives to kick start the infrastructure is the solution carbon tax hasnt worked wherever its been implemented it cuts emissions less than 10% and passes cost off to the consumer it doesnt actually do anything in terms of creating a new grid i can give sources if any dummy wants to cry about this fact
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421503001514 sorry i was wrong, 2%
anarchistfish 04.24.19	"It amazes me that islamaphobia is even a word when you see what happens to non-muslims living in muslim countries. Its literally genocide" the christian genocide is underreported just like all news from poorer countries is underreported in the media. the general retort that this underpresentation is directly because of islamophobia is lazy and weak, but the suggestion that pointing out this hypocrisy disproves islamophobia is also dumb
Egarran 04.24.19	Off topic sorry - I highly recommend reading about the reintroduction of stoning gays in Brunei. Surreal stuff and nutrituos food for any Islamophobe.
budgie 04.24.19	" After many many hippie lefty profeminist posts around sputnik, this is where you react. IT WAS A JOKE shit the motherfucking left has no humor after all CO2 converters LMAOOOOO have you heard about trees but SURE here's fishboy let's jump straight to the ad hominems NO UR DESLUSIONAL are 12 years old? Solidarity is out the window at the fist chance you get isn't it? " wat???
Asdfp277 04.24.19	thanks for proving capitalism will destroy the planet, guitarded
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	THANKS FOR RUINING MY LIFE DAD
unclereich 04.24.19	There goes reich again bringing up religion and destroying the thread
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	white people did 911
unclereich 04.24.19	Chuck is a leafs fan
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	now thats going too far
Asdfp277 04.24.19	religion is the main cause of climate change
unclereich 04.24.19	Oh this isnt the hockey thread my b
unclereich 04.24.19	The main cause of climate change was us leaving the paris accord
unclereich 04.24.19	We did it because pairs has so many vegan muz
zakalwe 04.24.19	Bumped into a couple of these extinction rebellion protesters today. Right bunch of trust fund wankers.
budgie 04.24.19	this website is shit
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	as much as renewable energies etc. is nice for the rich countries, the most CO2 will be produced in China, India and Africa. It is way more important to find way how they can produce cheap but climate neutral energy than is to look for more efficient ways in the US and most of Europe (also important, but not priority no1).
Asdfp277 04.24.19	this website is the main cause of climate change
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	if we incentivize renewable innovation domestically it will create technology that we can sell to the chinas and indias of the world renewables makes sense economically for everyone we just need to kick start the development and it will take over global markets
Asdfp277 04.24.19	if physics allows it, of course
Asdfp277 04.24.19	oil companies oppose those endeavors tho,
zakalwe 04.24.19	They’ll fuck it up, poison themselves and it’ll be all our fault so we will inevitably saddle ourselves with guilt for the next 200yrs while we mope about on fungus powered hover boards.
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	yes the problem is the lobbyists lobbying for incentives for oil and gas which comes from both major parties in the US by the way, they fund both sides again, government intervention creating a monopoly
guitarded_chuck 04.24.19	re: if physics allows it, there's already been put forward comprehensive plans to get to 100% renewables over a number of decades without nuclear, i posted stanford's proposal above fuck it ill drop it here again for visibility cause its good shit- https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/USStatesWWS.pdf
budgie 04.24.19	thx for this chuck, this is the stuff that relaxes me a bit. 20% total power demand from off-shore wind sounds pretty cool too, like a half life 2 futuristic landscape with monolithic wind structures all along the east coast
Asdfp277 04.24.19	vaporwave-y -
zakalwe 04.24.19	The structures will be built by some cack handed bodgers using shite quality low cost cement which in turn will poison all the wildlife in the ocean but on the plus side I’ll have enough power to put the kettle on and forget about it.
budgie 04.24.19	me i would like to see some major advances in the utility of hydrogen fuel cells. i think that's the ideal future. and at least for the urban west coast of north america, managing the housing crisis in such a way that people can afford to live close enough to their jobs to reasonably prefer to take hydrogen fuel cell run public transportation @zakalwe have you read any environmental impact case studies regarding offshore wind farms? i've read through lots of issues with hydropower on riverways but not offshore windfarms
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	IF renewable energies get developed so far that they are cheap enough - fine by me. but the problem is not the energy production but the batteries. battery-tech is kinda stuck not efficient enough for renewables to cover peaks etc.
budgie 04.24.19	it's the goal, though, using efficient fuel cells to complement intermittent sources
zakalwe 04.24.19	I haven’t read anything other than they deliver very little budge dude and cost a bomb but they do seem environmentally sound
budgie 04.24.19	quick google shows denmark in 2015 had 42% of electricity demand from wind. the bigger issue is combating fossil fuel lobbying interests, i guess, to encourage the economic infrastructure toward production and implementation of wind farms, at least in the US. i mean, france has like 80% of energy demands coming from nuclear right now? it's not fantastical, impossible stuff to consider
JoeTex 04.24.19	windmills cause cancer. per trumpo
zakalwe 04.24.19	The entire population of Denmark is half that of London.
StrikeOfTheBeast 04.24.19	thats gonna leave a denmark
budgie 04.24.19	obviously every country would need a unique renewable energy + nuclear infrastructure
EclipseInYourEyes 04.24.19	Yeah well, Denmark is like 100% coast. Look at Germany for example: all the wind energy is in the north near coast or off-shore because it is not efficient enough to do it in the south. therefore they need to transport the energy which causes a good amount of energy loss. That's why I said earlier that the battery technologies need to step up their game (not blaming anyone btw)
budgie 04.24.19	i was looking at the standford model chuck posted, it has a state-by-state analysis of where the energy could reasonably come from; states in new england had a near majority of their energy coming from off-shore wind, and realistically, denmark has a near-majority coming from off-shore wind. it's hopeful? obviously arizona won't get any significant amount of its energy demand from offshore wind. sources of renewable energy will be situational in every case. population of scotland is nearly 1:1 with the population of denmark, so it's not crazy to suppose 50% of scotland coming from wind, ergo wind isn't economically unfeasible. i'm not sure why zak used the massive population of london as an argument against denmark being progressive with its energy demand. couple offshore wind with nuclear and solar? we have a long ways to go, complaining about energy inefficiency will just promote conservative coal-or-nothing ideologies
guitarded_chuck 04.25.19	the abatement cost of nuclear is too much imo, i share that study emphasizing the fact it does without it
guitarded_chuck 04.25.19	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_abatement_cost
guitarded_chuck 04.25.19	i fear if we go all in on nuclear humanity will devolve in a fallout game within a few decades however maybe it could be used as a small temporary option for the places with the least potential to provide renewable energy locally
budgie 04.25.19	chuck the UC professors are promoting tech-> minimalizing nuclear reactors, to the point where they are failsafe. it's not immediate but it's something to hope for.
budgie 04.25.19	minimalizing the heat issue with reactors, anyway.
StrikeOfTheBeast 04.25.19	Still waiting on trying lab-grown lamb chops
guitarded_chuck 04.25.19	ill have to read about that but there will always be the issue of waste and as paranoid as it sounds a potential target for attack
budgie 04.25.19	waste re: storing reactors?
Asdfp277 04.25.19	scaldin hot tea sis
Egarran 04.25.19	The Danish windmill industry was started in the 70's by hippies and idealistic students. Safe to say the normies thought this was a laughable idea. But some scientists started designing better windmills because of it and today it's a billion money business for Denmark. It's exactly like weed, maan. Also a burning windmill is an awesome sight.
parksungjoon 04.17.22	howd that work out for ya buddy
Asdfp277 04.17.22	the weed or the windmill
parksungjoon 04.17.22	weedmill
Egarran 04.17.22	lol classic parks
Snake. 04.17.22	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/members/1069973.jpg
Cimnele 04.17.22	lol i forgot how shit chuck's opinions on everything were
parksungjoon 04.17.22	trash user yea
budgie 04.17.22	"https://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/members/1069973.jpg" tbh looks like water vapor from nuclear plant exhaust towers
Asdfp277 04.17.22	nuclearwave
Asdfp277 04.17.22	thats just rave tbh
GhandhiLion 04.17.22	lol snake
ArsMoriendi 04.17.22	The truth is that the VAST majority of climate change is caused by million/billion dollar corporations so nothing good is going to come about dealing with it until those corporations are legally forced to change their business practices Recycling and electric cars are cool and everything but pretending like that's making more than a dent is kinda weird
ArsMoriendi 04.17.22	Also, I just realized this thread is old
GhandhiLion 04.18.22	yeah