ramon.
08.28.19 | What prompted you to start? I don't do any of this and don't know who you are but I'm quite intrigued, particularly by "Eating feels like a enjoyable mathematical decision rather than an overwhelming sensation I'm bound to." |
Thalassic
08.28.19 | I do it one period every year when I want to get leaner |
Gnocchi
08.28.19 | On topic question: do you feast and fast? (I'll try and find a link to back up) there's a recent study (for weight loss and mental wellbeing) relating to those that fast after a substantial feasting period where the body uses any excess and self rations during the fasting period |
Josh D.
08.28.19 | For a couple months this year I did a 20:4 split 4 days a week (gym days) and more like a 17:7 split on rest days. Weekends I didn't care, I just didn't go hog wild with bad food.
I've tried so many diet and exercise routines, and IF was the only time I saw noticeable results. I was doing it with a caloric deficit while doing intense cardio based things (jump rope, supersets of fast paced bodyweight movements, jamball and kettlebell stuff, mostly resistance and calorie burning moves in general, and lots of core centric moves).
I'll probably do it again at the beginning of the year so I can try and slim down for da summa. |
south_of_heaven 11
08.28.19 | Don't make dieting any harder than it needs to be. IF, when stripped down, follows the same basic principle as all other diets:
Calories in, calories out. Create a caloric deficit, lose weight. Simple.
Only reason to do IF is if it fits into your schedule and makes your life/daily routine easier (i.e. don't have time to eat breakfast in morning, work is always too busy at lunch, etc.). |
ArsMoriendi
08.28.19 | My friend does, and I tried it, but it wasn't for me.
Just trying the basic "don't snack too much and go to the gym 3 times a week" thing now |
MarsKid
08.28.19 | I just stick to a regular diet as well. Try to eat healthy, eliminate unnecessary stuff, exercise daily, and still allow myself to enjoy a treat every once in a while. I've tried other avenues but they either didn't work or made me feel miserable. I'm comfortable where I'm at now. |
Sinternet
08.28.19 | I do this. 20/4 every day, but usually I just eat one big meal a day. It's good shit, and I can break it whenever for eating out with friends and go back easily. |
Josh D.
08.28.19 | "Don't make dieting any harder than it needs to be. IF, when stripped down, follows the same basic principle as all other diets:
Calories in, calories out. Create a caloric deficit, lose weight. Simple."
The problem with this statement, which is a common thought, is the "lose weight" part. Everyone has different goals. I am not a big person, so I don't have weight to lose in a traditional sense. However, I do different diet and exercise routines for different results.
When I do IF with a caloric deficit, technically yes it should make me lose weight via cutting fat. However, I tend to maintain weight while doing this. I'm sure there is some offset with any muscle growth or strengthening that happens. |
Josh D.
08.28.19 | Another reason I did IF was after I found out about autophagy. It has health benefits beyond fitness reasons (a guy won the Nobel Prize in 2016 for his findings). Basically when induced it can recycle bad cells, get rid of damaged proteins, stuff along those lines. But of course it is also a metabolic switch that can make your body use what's already in your body for energy. It's achieved through nutrient deficiency, so that's where the fasting came in.
You should look up some basic explainers on autophagy on YouTube if you want to get really deep into IF stuff. I even found a study showing coffee helped induced autophagy in mice, which was good news for me because I guzzle coffee every single day. |
Demon of the Fall
08.28.19 | No, but I find that intermittent farting comes with many benefits, especially for those of us who prefer our personal space. |
zakalwe
08.28.19 | Intermittent Fasting
🚨 wanker alert 🚨 |
TheSpirit
08.28.19 | we know you're a wanker, no need to alert us |
Josh D.
08.28.19 | I intermittent fart every damn day, dude. |
Tb1114
08.28.19 | Y'all are hilarious
Didn't know Sin was mad into IF, that's interesting!
& Thanks Josh for the write up!
I'm also not doing it for weight reasons - I've been lean since I was 12. Historically when I fasted once a month (for spiritual reasons), my mind felt super clear that day & the day after. & That's been my experience thus far this past week doing IF. This was why I started doing IF, along with it helping me sleep better.
@Ramon. Hunger is generally moderate and hasn't been overriding my brain to eat foods I wouldn't necessarily want health-wise. The food I crave when I make the time to eat is never junk. I've eat pretty dang clean the past few years, but on impulse I'd grab a cookie or beer I didn't need. This impulse sensation hasn't been happening the past few days. Things may change the more I do it. But I appreciate all this discussion happening! |
SymbolicInTime
08.28.19 | Seen it work well for others plenty of times. But it just simply does not fit into my work/life schedule at all so I've never been able to take advantage of it. (Speaking purely from the strict timing protocols when you're trying to do this while not sacrificing muscle). The one time I did find a way to stick to it for a month or so, my energy was so awful that I just stopped. |
bloc
08.28.19 | Another head clearing device is stopping masturbation |
Sinternet
08.28.19 | i'd rather eat less but thanks bloc
yeah dude it's really good, especially being able to feel actually hungry again and not just my brain telling me I am. didn't really start it specifically for wight either but i've dropped about 30 lbs over two years and would like to drop another 20 or so. |
JoeTex
08.28.19 | did a while but it messes with cortisol |
J() Alexander
08.28.19 | I tried to but my body can't handle fasting for more than a bit over 24 hours at the moment, so I'll do it when I actually can, I want to do five days at least. |
adr
08.28.19 | yeah i've done it combined with Keto, lost around 80~ pounds in 8 months, pretty much never had cravings and felt really satisfied with one or two good meals. Definitely felt more energized too. I've also done 5 days water fast (with coffee in the mornings) and probably because i've already been in state of ketosis, but it was surprisingly easy. |
CugnoBrasso
08.28.19 | I used to fast two days every month until a couple of months ago. Now I'm in a pretty surreal point in my life so I'm waiting for things to settle down before starting again.
I couldn't feel any benefit though... I remember breaking my first fast with a Schwarzwälder cake and spending the rest of the day on the toilet. |
dbizzles
08.28.19 | Less intense but I've been doing 14:10 for the last few months and I like it, it's very manageable. Initially was very hungry in the morning. Discipline goes down a bit on the weekends though. |
Josh D.
08.28.19 | For any fasting, I always recommend doing at least 15:9. A lot of people don't even bother unless they do 16:8 split. |
dbizzles
08.28.19 | See, I can understand that, but 14-10 works very well for my work and work out schedule- especially when considering my family. Not to mention, I already feel better since I started it anyway. I guess I could try to stretch it one more hour.
Also, this is why I started doing it as well once I started paying mor attention to my diet:
'It has health benefits beyond fitness reasons (a guy won the Nobel Prize in 2016 for his findings). Basically when induced it can recycle bad cells, get rid of damaged proteins, stuff along those lines. But of course it is also a metabolic switch that can make your body use what's already in your body for energy. It's achieved through nutrient deficiency, so that's where the fasting came in.' |
zakalwe
08.28.19 | “but i've dropped about 30 lbs over two years and would like to drop another 20 or so.”
lol. Sin has gone full on yank by both being a blobby bastard and using lbs instead of stones. |
dbizzles
08.28.19 | sputnikmusic.uk |
zakalwe
08.28.19 | sputnikmusic.au will suffice at least that mob can speak the proper queens. |
smaugman
08.28.19 | just dont eat so much you fat fucks |
Deathconscious
08.28.19 | fuck the queens, "arse" sounds dumb as fuck. |
WretchedCacophony
08.28.19 | I suppose I don't do intermittent fasting very well because I usually eat no later than 9pm and eat no earlier than 9am. But I burn through 4000 calories just by sitting so I need to eat. I'm hoping that eventually my metabolism slows down enough that I can do a 14:10 instead of a 12:12 lol |
zakalwe
08.28.19 | It’s a damned sight better than ‘ass’
Ass is to donkey as arse is to bum.
Slags.
|
budgie
08.28.19 | "I've also done 5 days water fast (with coffee in the mornings) and probably because i've already been in state of ketosis, but it was surprisingly easy. "
yeah baby. extended water fasts are amazing |
zakalwe
08.28.19 | lol |
tectactoe
08.28.19 | don't have the self control to go that long without eating, so i just stick to a specific calorie amount six days a week with one cheat day where i eat whatever the fuck i want.
currently in a bulk phase, though, eating ~3600 calories per day. i usually cut around ~2600 but i don't cut for very long because i don't want to be a weak boi. |
zakalwe
08.28.19 | Yay. You go man. Yeah. Woo. High Five man. Woo. Yeah.
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Tb1114
08.28.19 | Water fasting sounds interesting. I think I might finally become underweight if I did that. I'm a tall lanky lean ectomorph veg. Surprisingly able to keep on adequate enough muscle to get noticed by others.
I think at the end of this week I gotta do a cheat day. A beer sounds nice rn, even though it's 3:27 pm & I gotta couple papers to write. |
JoeTex
08.28.19 | make it a whiskey, should fit into ur macros |
Deez
08.28.19 | I do 16-8 every day but i eat cheesecakes every fucking day cos i work in a hotel so its pointless but at least Im giving my body a good bit of time to settle and do some limited exercise in that fast time too |
JoeTex
08.28.19 | stomach vacuums |
Deez
08.28.19 | Plus I think the most affective fasting is in line with your circadian rhythm, no?
So im eating cakes on nightshifts but thinking Im getting some kind on benefits haha
Lying to myself. Like Tool fans and that new album. |
Deathconscious
08.28.19 | "Slags."
Slag and bollock sound dumb too. |
Deathconscious
08.28.19 | "Yay. You go man. Yeah. Woo. High Five man. Woo. Yeah."
Yeah what a loser, someone who is into staying in shape and being healthy. Dont be mad just because youre a fat middle aged limey fuck who he could probably knock out in one round. |
sixdegrees
08.28.19 | innit |
Deathconscious
08.28.19 | I like shite though tbh. |
budgie
08.28.19 | btw i haven't heard #1 but i have their common era album it's dope. check it adolfchrist it's shoegazey |
SitarHero
08.29.19 | "IF, when stripped down, follows the same basic principle as all other diets"
My understanding was that contrary to other diets IF helps the liver balance insulin levels which helps metabolism. |
Josh D.
08.29.19 | Pancreas excretes insulin.
Your body's preferred energy source is taking carbohydrates and converting it to glucose, then storing the rest as glycogen in muscles. Obviously this means it puts fat aside as well (I always think of insulin as a "fat storage hormone").
I think the thing with fasting, and when I did IF I worked out fasted and didn't break it until 3 hours after the gym, is that by keeping insulin low, your body isn't grabbing what it usually does for energy, so it has to go somewhere else. It can break down fat cells through the liver into ketone bodies, it can start gluconeogenesis, etc. But the point is it's taking what's already in you for energy, which should result in burning fat. In short, insulin levels staying low long enough eventually makes the body start releasing other things already stored to burn for energy. |
budgie
08.29.19 | i always have my best workouts fasted. people slamming a meal before the gym is the weirdest thing |
Tb1114
08.29.19 | I used to be mad into distance running (consistent half-marathons, etc.), and eating before a workout felt like a necessity.
During this IF period I've only ran a couple 10K runs & have been fine. Dunno how 10mi+ runs would hold. |
tectactoe
08.29.19 | i prefer fasted lifting also, which i why i like doing them in the morning before work. (that way i'm not hungry.)
i've eaten breakfast and coffee before dead lift workouts on the weekend and it usually results in me having to take a massive shit halfway through my sets. |
vermillionZ
08.29.19 | I've been eating once a day, after work, for about a year now. Once you get used to it, the feeling of hunger won't come until it's time to eat again. Only the first couple of days are hard, then it becomes second nature. |
JoeTex
08.29.19 | watch out for the borborygmi |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | How about these handy steps.
1. Focus on what really matters.
2. Stop being a self absorbed arsehole.
3. Stop stuffing yourself with shite.
4. Realise nobody other than yourself could give a stuff unless you’re genuinely putting yourself at risk.
5. How many fights have you sackless fucks ever actually been in? Do you honestly think being ‘210lbs’ 6’5 and undefeated in yank wrestling is really going to matter against Phil ‘the pikey’ Ginge who will stick a glass in your face and bite your nose off in two seconds flat.
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budgie
08.29.19 | i really hope that's copypasta |
JoeTex
08.29.19 | hit the dance floor to burn some of those extra cals |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | How far do you shove your head up your own ass to prevent yourself from eating |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | It doesn’t happen mate. I get told, sorted out, fucked off and head kicked in and not necessarily in that order |
Keyblade
08.29.19 | I used to do it, like 18:6 a year or so ago. good results but I think it fucked with my glucose levels so I stopped. had my piss smelling like fruit juice and shit |
UpwardSpiral
08.29.19 | Yes I skip breakfast so it's basically the same. Fitness/diet gets so overcomplicated these days. Unless you are a pro bodybuilder or some model I don't get why people obsess about it. Just eat right, train hard, be consistent. |
Keyblade
08.29.19 | yea it was easy to do because I hate breakfast and always skip it anyway. only thing I had to do was not eat after a certain time |
JoeTex
08.29.19 | just gotta say your prayers and eat your vitamins |
Keyblade
08.29.19 | it's basically for ppl like me who can't stand grazing like some rabbit on typical diets. fuck all of that |
Thalassic
08.29.19 | "Do you honestly think being ‘210lbs’ 6’5 and undefeated in yank wrestling is really going to matter against Phil ‘the pikey’ Ginge who will stick a glass in your face and bite your nose off in two seconds flat."
Lmao funny you bring that up. A few weeks ago something happened with this guy that goes to my gym. I mostly get along with him but he often picks fights when out drinking because he roids up all year round and took some kickboxing classes. Adding to this he also thinks he's some kind of male model. A few weeks ago there are these Irish Travellers passing through. So that guy crosses one of the younger Travellers at the bar, gets into a fight with him and within 10 seconds he gets glassed really damn bad. After which of course about 7 Traveller cousins come out of the woodwork and stomp the shit out of the guy.
Let's say he can say goodbye to his "modeling career" now. |
Deathconscious
08.29.19 | lol its amazing to me how zak can always manage to find something to be annoyed by, even in the most innocuous situations.
*people having discussions about diets, fitness habits, ways they're bettering themselves, etc.*
zak: >:( |
budgie
08.29.19 | "how far up your ass does your head have to be to stop yourself from eating"
how far up your ass does your head have to be to criticize how other people eat? |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | *people having discussions about diets, fitness habits, ways they're bettering themselves, etc.*
zak: >:(
lol. In all honesty though I just think it’s such vapid horseshit. I’d love you sput bros to visit me and the missus, go down the local, have a curry, watch the footy but then again I’m 40 so maybe it’s me whose the massive cunt but me and everybody I’ve ever known have always been the same.
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Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | @budgie how far up your ass does your head have to be to rock a man bun in 2019 |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | I bet u do yoga when ur not drunk |
Josh D.
08.29.19 | Fellas, is it gay to be healthy |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | Budgie is a lad, so are you pots to be fair but fuck the pills off mate. Fuck ‘em. |
Relinquished
08.29.19 | ladgie and lad(e)pots with the old bicker eh |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | I just came here to piss budgie off tbh |
Relinquished
08.29.19 | he's a tease i know |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | A real scrotum tickler for sure |
DDDeftoneDDD
08.29.19 | Try cooking real mediterranean food for a change. |
Josh D.
08.29.19 | No. |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | Mediterranic basically means oily as fuck insubstantial unsatisfying nibbles.
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DDDeftoneDDD
08.29.19 | Oh right! Forgot you guys don t cook. Just grab things to eat. |
DDDeftoneDDD
08.29.19 | "Mediterranic basically means oily as fuck insubstantial unsatisfying nibbles." Wrong
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zakalwe
08.29.19 | Pan, no oil cos the sausages cook in their own fat. Bacon, egg, mushrooms, tomatoes.
Toast, slap on butter. Cup of tea.
Never before but certainly after
An ale x8. And I’m talking a proper fucking ale none of this shite that’s marketed or franchised as such by some penis whose never been pissed in their entire life but is sold as such. Cunt probably on some intermittent fasting trying to tell me what’s what? Righto.
Served up worldwide. |
budgie
08.29.19 | "Mediterranic basically means oily as fuck insubstantial unsatisfying nibbles."
zak... :/ |
Keyblade
08.29.19 | loving the ambient picks on this list tho damn |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | It’s the foreword to me cookbook pal.
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DDDeftoneDDD
08.29.19 | Sausages and bacon yaaay lol the ambient picks are great cause the dude is fasting, so he.s bright af! |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | Fasting.
Unless the fella is a brother we’ve become so engorged on and soaked in shite we now ‘fast’
Me nan was on rations for fuck sake. |
Relinquished
08.29.19 | welcome to 2019 zak |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | hate it |
Relinquished
08.29.19 | 2020’s up ahead |
Keyblade
08.29.19 | can't wait for zak to finally get over it not being 1992 anymore |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | 92-98
Downhill from there dudes. |
Deathconscious
08.29.19 | imagine caring that people take a break from eating for a day. |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | Put it into context mate. I eat so much shit I’m not going to eat for a day to ‘feel good’ and ‘look better’
Self absorbed facile brats. |
SitarHero
08.29.19 | How dare you want to to feel or look good! |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | I ‘feel good’ by gorging on family buckets of KFC day in day out cos YOLO!!!
Yay me. High five!!! |
Deathconscious
08.29.19 | Its not gluttonous people who fast ya fuckin goober, its mostly people who are into health and fitness. |
zakalwe
08.29.19 | “Lmao funny you bring that up. A few weeks ago something happened with this guy that goes to my gym. I mostly get along with him but he often picks fights when out drinking because he roids up all year round and took some kickboxing classes. Adding to this he also thinks he's some kind of male model. A few weeks ago there are these Irish Travellers passing through. So that guy crosses one of the younger Travellers at the bar, gets into a fight with him and within 10 seconds he gets glassed really damn bad. After which of course about 7 Traveller cousins come out of the woodwork and stomp the shit out of the guy.”
Ta dude. Finally some corroboration!!
All this bulked up, gym stuff is such machismo cobblers. If you’re a ‘hard case’ you’re a genuine bona fide nutter who’ll bash fuck out of anything without hesitation.
I’ve seen a scrawny 5’7 ‘nobody’ smash the fuck out of a big bloke and put them in hospital for two days. Unrelenting brutal punches to the face, that after the first one had already knocked the fella spark out.
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Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | Hey sitar muh green titty milk |
SitarHero
08.29.19 | Sorry pots if it ain't KFC it ain't for me. |
Keyblade
08.29.19 | bars |
budgie
08.29.19 | zak not everybody who works out does it because they want to look hard or beat on people |
Typhoon24
08.29.19 | Only when I take too much adderral and coffee lol |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | Well now I want KFC
I'll just fast it off |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | Ya budgie works out because he wants to be able to take a good pounding iffin ' u catch my drift |
Keyblade
08.29.19 | ramadan thread when |
Tb1114
08.29.19 | I might be beginning to think making this thread was a mistake
also a lot more UK folk on here than i thought
@keyblade, preciate your other comment. If anyone has ambient recs like this hit me up. |
DoofDoof
08.29.19 | I usually don’t eat between about 9pm and then 1pm the next day - to me that’s normal, a 14-16 hour fast.
Never really liked breakfast before 10:30am - and eating at 10:30am isn’t really an option most of the time so I wait a couple more hours
Been like that since school days but there’ll be days I eat early every now and then
Two main meals is quite a strict rule though. Three meals is a bit of a frightening concept for me |
budgie
08.29.19 | with you doof, i never have had any desire to eat before the early afternoon at earliest |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | On weekends I love breakfast but during the week the last thing I want to do is wake up early and eat, and then I just work straight through and eat when I get home |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | Pretty sure that's not supposed to be healthy tho
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Keyblade
08.29.19 | can't stomach anything in the early mornings, feel like shit. it's not as bad as it used to be tho and i have breakfast regularly now
@tb1114 peep this https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=515826&listid=148220 |
TheSpaceMan
08.29.19 | I survive off one cracker a day |
Sinternet
08.29.19 | i mean a healthy adult diet for the average person should be two meals a day maximum - breakfast is only important if you're growing or if you're an athlete. eating that extra meal means your body can't fully process the calories you're taking in before you eat again - unless you have tiny meals (which is honestly boring af to me - I want to enjoy having a feast of food before me not some dainty little grapes) |
budgie
08.29.19 | "eating that extra meal means your body can't fully process the calories you're taking in before you eat again"
what |
TheSpaceMan
08.29.19 | Nah healthy diet is many small meals. I don't do it cause I agree I wanna dine when I eat, but concept of a meal is from a time period when access to food isn't an issue. 2 big meals a day throws off steady state |
TheSpaceMan
08.29.19 | Suppose to be naked as fuck picking berries on your way to the river |
Deathconscious
08.29.19 | im not a huge fan of breakfast either, but i do have a little something before going to work like a piece of toast with peanut butter or something like that, just out of necessity. otherwise im starving before lunch comes around. |
budgie
08.29.19 | shut up CORN BOY |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.29.19 | A healthy meal is sitting in the dirt in some forest picking ants while homegirl makes you a loin cloth |
budgie
08.30.19 | no you idiot, not dirt, sitting on a bed of moss. haven't you ever anarchoprimitivism'd before you total nerd? |
Cygnatti
08.30.19 | strongly considering doing this tbh
anyone know if it like for sure works? heard about this stuff in like 2013 but never committed. |
budgie
08.30.19 | works for what? |
Cygnatti
08.30.19 | if intermitten fasting does what everyone says it does.
been a while since I last thought about it. |
budgie
08.30.19 | people talk about intermittent fasting as being useful for soo many different things, though. autophagy, "detoxing", weightloss, muscle anabolism, spirituality, hormone regulation, insulin recovery... |
TheSpaceMan
08.30.19 | pots gets it
none of these processed water bottles and granola bars |
Tb1114
08.30.19 | again, I only started doing it to help increase my focus & help me sleep, & for me it's worked on both fronts so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
the cosmetic benefits have been minimal; I look a little bit toner & that's about it but I'm a lanky ectomorph boy |
Cygnatti
08.30.19 | honestly anything would be nice |
budgie
08.30.19 | well the only alleged benefit of fasting i can confidently get behind is that it gives you some respite from digestion. all the other medical stuff idk, i've seen some trials on pubmd showing hormone changes after extended fasts (hgh spikes at ~48 hours or something, then drops a bit below baseline?), but it definitely seems like fasting hype overall has been co-opted by pseudoscience with bizarre claims of whatever, just like hype of anything else
it's nice not to constantly be digesting food, though, and i feel more energetic after not having eaten anything for a while |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.30.19 | yeah basically the only concrete reasons to fast (or other certain diets) are digestive reasons. there are lots of things your body doesn't do when it's constantly digesting. everything else is cosmic woo energy bullshit so if you're considering doing it do it for something evident like to improve your immune system or to increase your energy. |
budgie
08.30.19 | lol. i could eat if i wanted to—it's just i don't want to. but i totally could. |
budgie
08.30.19 | yo that's not cool |
TheSpaceMan
08.30.19 | Wow that was fast |
budgie
08.30.19 | he's becoming kinda endearing |
GhostB1rd
08.30.19 | I consume 200g+ of protein every day AMA |
Wubs
08.30.19 | I do Keto yet my self control still isn't perfect. Fast a full day every Sunday, it's actually pretty easy if you're running on fat as an energy source. |
Wubs
08.30.19 | Ambient and drone would help with mental clarity. Maybe aesthetic experiences can be considered like dieting |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.30.19 | Lol keto |
budgie
08.30.19 | why bag on it if it works for someone pots. why are you so involved in this |
GhostB1rd
08.30.19 | Shut up budgie. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.30.19 | Lmao budgie ur such a little bitch dude |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.30.19 | I've barely said anything aside from "lol keto" and a half baked arbitrary diss on fasting. Why are YOU so involved that such harmless nonsense evokes such a persistent flow? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
08.30.19 | I could literally say any combination of words about anything you like and you'd straight grump your pants |
budgie
08.30.19 | alright |
Josh D.
08.30.19 | intermittent fighting |
