Mort.
06.14.24 | im off to germany tomorrow morning to see england play serbia, looking forward to it |
anat
06.14.24 | that challenge from porteous was criminal |
Demon of the Fall
06.14.24 | nice, enjoy
haven’t cared less about an international tournament since forever but will inevitably get into it (again) later on |
Ryus
06.14.24 | is the US in this one? |
DoofDoof
06.14.24 | I love the Scotland team, very good comic timing. |
Mort.
06.14.24 | m8 i feel so sorry for them. imagine coming all this way just for you team to go 3 down in the first half. its nightmare material.
hope they got some good german beer drinking done before the match tho, might make this less painful |
Futures
06.14.24 | hell yeah man that's sweet. with copa going on as well it's a great summer of soccer. i have no clue what to expect from the us but i'm pumped. good showing against brazil the other day. |
CugnoBrasso
06.14.24 | I was going to attend a public screening event tomorrow to see Switzerland - Hungary but it's going to rain frogs and walruses so I'll just stay home, watch it on tv and do drugs instead. |
ZombieParty
06.14.24 | come on england |
Sniff
06.14.24 | Let's gooo Dr Alban |
Sniff
06.14.24 | Also thanks for including Sweden even though we suck so bad we're not even in the tournament |
Futures
06.14.24 | ibra is my goat |
Mort.
06.14.24 | 5-0 fucking hell, poor fuckers |
bighubbabuddha
06.14.24 | As an Englishman I hope we can win it this year, although our defence is a problem |
zakalwe
06.14.24 | Germany have been class |
insomniac15
06.14.24 | Quite disappointing Scotland today, at least they scored once. |
zakalwe
06.14.24 | ‘im off to germany tomorrow morning to see england play serbia, looking forward to it’
Fair play mort. Hope it’s a blinder
🏴 |
gravityswitch
06.14.24 | Sane with the disasterclass |
Demon of the Fall
06.14.24 | “As an Englishman I hope we can win it this year, although our defence is a problem”
yeah, not sure we have a chance in reality. Not with that defence. I’m not Maguire’s biggest fan but his omission has left us short of experience
Attack is great, but we play such turgid football under Southgate anyway. I want him gone. At least get someone who’s shown something at club level. Even Potter would be better. People overestimate the quality of coaching in international football, the best ones are generally at club sides. |
Mort.
06.14.24 | looking forward to it zak! never been germany and ive never been to a match so will be a good experience. going with my brother and my dads mates (hes a bit sick so we have his tickets). ive known his mates all my life so dont mind even if they are all 38 years older than me lol.
just dreading the shit music in the car on the way there lol |
Sniff
06.14.24 | Play them some Binary |
CugnoBrasso
06.14.24 | Germany is based, I lived there for 6 months back in 2018. Got totally wasted with theee Turks and five Syrian refugees, goot times. |
Egarran
06.14.24 | Wirtz is captaining my fantasy team, score.
12 is so nice. |
SlothcoreSam
06.14.24 | 🇧🇹 |
Winesburgohio
06.15.24 | No Kosovo? No Iceland? Not gonna watch !
Cracker first game, the two German second half goals were jaw-dropping gorgeous |
Havey
06.15.24 | Nemescu mentioned |
NorwichScene
06.15.24 | I think France will win it, but COME ON ENGLAND!! |
bighubbabuddha
06.15.24 | Demon I think no Maguire is a blessing, Guehi is captain of Palace, good with his feet and very calm. I worry more about LB |
Voivod
06.15.24 | Whenever Greece is not competing - when we are not doing low flights, we are absent from most Euros, even though we won one, go figure… - I side with Italy, but I'm clueless regarding the state of squadra azzurra. |
Winesburgohio
06.15.24 | As an aston vanilla fan (based and claret-and-blue-pilled) it was really weird seeing McGinn so ineffectual and lost. Watching Scotland play made me wonder how much time they had together to practice, didn't seem like a team performance at all |
fogza
06.15.24 | I drew Hungary in the office sweepstakes, go Hungary! |
Egarran
06.15.24 | This year garas will become a football fan. |
CugnoBrasso
06.15.24 | I love garas but hell no Hungary must be defeated right now |
fogza
06.15.24 | So far Hungary are not going |
Piglet
06.15.24 | hungary simply needs to be more hungry innit |
Voivod
06.15.24 | Group 2 is pure fire, definitely gonna watch Italy-Albania. |
Demon of the Fall
06.15.24 | “Demon I think no Maguire is a blessing, Guehi is captain of Palace, good with his feet and very calm. I worry more about LB”
I like Guehi. Chelsea fan so well aware of him as a former blue. But you need some experience for big tournaments. Familiarity helps too, and how often have Stones and Guehi actually played together? Yeah, LB is also a worry, as is the midfield balance (not sure about the idea that TAA will play there).
Barely watching this, but it seems like another one-sided game. Swiss look organised / decent |
Demon of the Fall
06.15.24 | “I side with Italy, but I'm clueless regarding the state of squadra azzurra.“
they’re my #2 team as well due to family connections / being into 90s Italian football but admittedly I’m not as clued up on how they’ve been performing. Gonna say it’s not the strongest Italy squad we’ve seen, but then it’s solid enough and look what happened last time (when similar things were said), you can never underestimate them
probably put them in the ‘dark horses’ category just behind the faves, but with a decent shot |
Demon of the Fall
06.15.24 | Hungary woke up just after I dissed them, lol
Game on! |
bighubbabuddha
06.15.24 | "as is the midfield balance (not sure about the idea that TAA will play there)."
Agreed, Trent has some great qualities but he isn't a natural 8. A majority of the country want him to start though. I would have preferred Mainoo. Mainoo is a better short passer, dribbler and is amazingly press-resistant. Unfortunately the 8 position is a weak point this tournament for England. Mainoo and Wharton have incredibly high ceilings but still very young. Gallagher is industrious but not good enough on the ball. |
Demon of the Fall
06.15.24 | I would just play Mainoo personally. Bellingham can drop in when needed (especially vs tougher opponents) and Rice is fairly experienced now and both have shown leadership qualities. The pair could guide him. It was an area where risking the young player was probably worth it to aid balance. |
Futures
06.15.24 | albania vs italy is an all time racist derby lol. used to live in italy as a kid on a naval base for a few years so forza azzuri. first world cup i watched was 2006 when i was 11 and it was magical. made me love the game. |
Demon of the Fall
06.15.24 | Spain looked gooooooood, cementing themselves as my 2nd favourites behind France |
Futures
06.15.24 | what the fuck |
Sinternet
06.15.24 | ITALY LOL |
Sinternet
06.15.24 | "Gallagher is industrious but not good enough on the ball."
what gallagher is good at is relentless pressing and tireless off-the-ball work, but as a standard cm he's pl-average at best. think he's in the squad to be the 60-70th minute sub to chase down everyone else in the opposition midfield |
Futures
06.15.24 | ITALIA! |
Voivod
06.15.24 | Expectedly, Italy rips. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.15.24 | Agree with Demon. Curious to see England, I feel they re favorites too.
Question marks around Portugal, although the squad makes at least 2 highly competitive 11s |
Futures
06.15.24 | sloppy ass second half from italy. gotta tighten it up. |
gabba
06.15.24 | Most of the time they start like this and win the tournament. |
Egarran
06.15.24 | This year garas will not become a football fan.
England is always favourites. |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | Come on England
🦁 🦁 🦁
Cheers Australia in the Cricket |
fogza
06.16.24 | I wish I could watch the cricket, but alas, like Rishi Sunak, I don't have Sky Sports |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | I made the error of turning it on at shit o’clock this morning and watching the Scotland v Australia match to the finish. |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | “what gallagher is good at is relentless pressing and tireless off-the-ball work, but as a standard cm he's pl-average at best“
based fellow Chelsea fan. I agree. I hear a lot of talk about pashun and ‘he’s one of us’, lots of running around. There’s no doubt he has a ridiculous engine, but he lacks the technical ability and sometimes discipline to hold his position (rather than just charging in on a one man crusade and get bypassed / fouling). |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | lol fog
yeah, I knew the Aussies wouldn’t actually go easy on ‘em but the Scots were admittedly unlucky pushing them so close |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | You know today is gonna be carnage. Was hoping for a quiet couple of pints later but I imagine there will be legions of steaming fans on a mad one by early afternoon, even though the game doesn’t start till 8pm! |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Peak grass season hay fever hits and it’s a bleedin Sunday night…no beers for this one, going to watch this sober as Southgate :’( |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | ‘real’ fans don’t care for such things as work the next day Doof, you gotta up your game here!
I imagine there will be a lot of sickies pulled tomorrow |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | Doesn’t really start going till later though does it, England will not get off to a flyer will be disappointing and everyone will be calling Southgate a cunt until we some how hobble into the next round fuck about and get knocked out on pens. |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | but no, I won’t be either (during the game) just going for a couple of afternoon bevies beforehand. Probably will have mostly worn off by KO |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | From memory, tournaments ranked as an England man.
1. Italia 90 - Gazza and Lineker
2. Euro 96 - Pearce and the theme tune. I was there.
3. France 98 - The last truly quality England team. Argentina. I was there
4. Euro 2020 - Can’t bring myself to rewatch any of it
5. World Cup 2018 - Good times in the boozer approaching 40
6. Mexico 86 - Cunt
7. World Cup 2022 - Can’t bring myself to rewatch any of it
8. World Cup 2002 - He meant it, Seaman your shite mate
9. World Cup 2006 - That Joe Cole Goal
10. Euro 2004 - Can’t remember much of it
11. Euro 2000 - Fuck off Keegan you absolute bell. I was there.
12. Euro 2016 - The last minute winner against Wales, pub was absolutely mental
13. Euro 2012 - Can’t remember it
14. World Cup 2014 - Fucking diabolical
15. World Cup 2010 - English football was dead at this point I’d given up. I’d take the Graham Taylor years over this shambles. |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Last Euros was one of my all time favourite tournaments watching all but the final in Lanzarote during Covid - got to know all the bar staff and regulars at this quality bar out there, was heaven |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Euro 96 and France 98 were the peak for me though - 6th form then university. |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | Had left school in June ‘96 after doing me GCSEs and rolled into that classic tournament.
Possibly the last time when scarves were hung out car windows and that street party atmosphere when the football was on existed.
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zakalwe
06.16.24 | I tell you what as well if you’d have said to me from 86-2006 that after 2010 I’d prefer the cricket in all its formats over the football I’d have offed myself but there you have it.
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Donchivo
06.16.24 | @Zak: as a German, I think without the blatant '66 revenge decision 2010 could have gone quite well for England... |
Donchivo
06.16.24 | ah and in which world can Rodri not see the red card yesterday, even thou it was ruled a foul?
And all media overemphasize that the decision of the ref to anul the croatian goal and not to repeat the penalty was correct. If that's true, WTF is that rule????? |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | As ridiculously blatant as that Lampard goal was Die Mannschaft still taught us an absolute lesson in being clinical in that game.
Men v Boys
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Donchivo
06.16.24 | Not sure man, that equalizer might have broken that young team... especially because they were superior up to that point. |
Donchivo
06.16.24 | btw absolutely no one calls them 'Die Mannschaft', it's100 per cent a marketing schtick |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | It was a wind-up |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | I think Netherlands are this year's dark horse, even without Frankie De Jong |
Piglet
06.16.24 | i bet on Manyger to win the euros coupla weeks back. nagelsmann is a gudkunt, dey got home advantage, barn storming talents like musiala and wirtz, havertz has been reborn as a sexy false nine phoenix, then there's efficient peasants like Fullkrug and muller coming off the bench, a revamped midfield of andrich and kroos as opposed to the impossibly weak chemistry of the kimmich and goretzka midfield in years gone by. kimmich finally playing as a right back where he can hold a zone, nd overlap and plonk in insane crosses. of course with the euros it's impossible to predict the canter of the dark horses, but somehow expect the netherlands and portugal to be up there with france as an obvious finalist choice. Something about the stodginess of england's style and pickford's trex arms i will never rate soz. also wot is with spain playing with the intensity of a scummy cabbage frond every year |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | “I think Netherlands are this year's dark horse, even without Frankie De Jong”
nah, his absence has removed their chances for me, otherwise I’d agree |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | name a player that seems to have been around forever, you put on the Euros and he’s still out there…
for me it was Switzerland’s Ricardo Rodriguez, I cannot believe he’s still only 31! |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | not so much a dark horse as such, but i fancy portugal pretty well tbh, should at least be making semis imo |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | Yeah, Dani Carvajal at 32 is another
He's been Real Madrid's undisputed first choice centre back since 2013 and Spain's since 2014 |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | yeah I won’t lie, thought he was at least 35 by now, lol
Agreed re Portugal, I have them ahead of England at least. France, Spain, Germany, then Portugal are my top 4 |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | Nah |
Icebloom
06.16.24 | “I think Netherlands are this year's dark horse, even without Frenkie De Jong”
Nah I was pretty optimistic about us reaching far, but without De Jong and Koopmeiners our midfield is just not strong enough. My prediction is we're gonna be defeated by Portugal in the quarter finals
And lol @Rodriguez being around forever, agreed a lot |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | What an opportune time to bring up the greatest goal scored at the Euros
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q3af4QIh1oc&pp=ygUZdmFuIGJhc3RlbiBnb2FsIGV1cm8gMTk4OA%3D%3D |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | If the front five players (inc Declan Rice) click for England we should win it at a canter.
As ever, that’s a huge ‘if’. |
Jurtz
06.16.24 | Frenkie de Jong doesn't carry the whole team (anymore), so I think they have a good chance. Ian Maatsen is a great replacement for Teun Koopmeiners. |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | And given the occasion, opposition and manner in which the goal was scored the greatest of the lot in international football tournaments
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=72EwvSJ79bc&pp=ygUYYmVyZ2thbXAgdnMgYXJnZW50aW5hIDk4
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Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | I don’t think Maatsen is helping their midfield situation, he’s a talented attacking FB/WB (but can be caught out defensively)
Then again, not sure if the Dutch do the whole inverted FB thing that’s very in vogue right now |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | “if the front five players (inc Declan Rice) click for England we should win it at a canter”
Surely Rice is the ‘6th’? Bellingham and TAA (according to rumours, would rather Mainoo) will be in front of him. I think he’ll have to curtail some of his instincts to drive forward if we’re going to succeed. Mainoo (if he plays) may struggle in that role. Whereas TAA left isolated with people running at him would be a nightmare scenario tbh |
Egarran
06.16.24 | I want more Piglet analyses. |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | poland looking very well set-up right now, deserved lead |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Demon - that sort of points at the problem, England should have a player in the middle behind Rice ideally. |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | netherlands looking very vulonerable on the counter atm, never been a fan of van dijk much as a leader in defence and this is proving me right atm |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | ah now they get the lucky goal |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | really impressed with poland today, they've given everything so far and deserve a point at least, got 15 minutes to hold out still though |
Mort.
06.16.24 | Had the weirdest day while pissed in gelsenkirchen. First a photographer asked our group to walk down the street while pumping our fists. Then a guardian journalist came up to us asking if we’d heard any chants and then while in a Croatian restaurant a fucking German news team came in and started taking the piss out of us . Absolutely bizarre day. Going to the stadium soon tho |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | That big Weghorst goal was satisfying as a United fan. He couldn't hit a barn door for us but always gave his all haha |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | “Demon - that sort of points at the problem, England should have a player in the middle behind Rice ideally.“
well yeah exactly, we don’t have anyone good / suitable enough for that role |
gabba
06.16.24 | Tonight’s match will be a treat, hope England will smash Serbia. |
Icebloom
06.16.24 | Not sure what to think of this win tbh. Very promising start to the game - we should've been 2-0 up by half time - but we also looked really disorganised at moments. Curious about our next games against France and Austria |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | I think Netherlands can get a draw out of France |
gabba
06.16.24 | Definitely. If Hungary could do it at euro2020, Netherlands certainly has a chance to surprise France. |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | Denmark and Slovenia draw, get in
Trent starts, let's see what he can do
Come on England |
Voivod
06.16.24 | England playing Serbia, tricky game.
Serbian soccer at the highest level, had always had good athletes and players. |
anat
06.16.24 | RIP 3+ goal streak |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.16.24 | Bellingham what a decisive player
Be aware though, Serbia is tricky and tough. |
Icebloom
06.16.24 | Bellingham and Saka are crazy good
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Mort.
06.16.24 | Yeah Bellingham is killing it
A Serbian just made fun of my brother for eating vegan curry wurst
In the stands , calling my mum to pick me up wanna go home |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | The Invisible Kane
Saka beating his man time and time again and Kane going 'I'm still not moving' |
gabba
06.16.24 | Bellingham strikes me as an asshole though, provoking that Serbian player. Saka’s amazing. |
gabba
06.16.24 | And Mort, Serbia is a country with boomer mentality, no wonder they’re perplexed by anything vegan. |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | England have been crying out for an asshole for years, different class is the lad, "win first you can have an opinion about me later" type arrogance, get the feeling he'll do anything to win |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.16.24 | "Bellingham strikes me as an asshole though"
Oooh no doubt Bellingham strikes eheh |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.16.24 | I got that play too but he was mashed up like 2 or 3 times before. Serbia uses toughness in their game. That said, he can be an asshole though. |
Demon of the Fall
06.16.24 | first 30. Class. Why was I concerned? It’s coming home!
last 60. Utter shite. We’re doomed!
needs improvement |
Sniff
06.16.24 | It's hard to know who to root for when the two least likeable teams in the whole tournament meet |
NexCeleris
06.16.24 | Even Italy was more exciting to watch. If you have to waste time against Serbia to secure a win as thin as this one, you won't make it very far.
Also, Bellingham is transforming into Vinicius 2.0 more and more. Falls at the slightest tackle, grabbing his face. Was concerned with looking up to check if he was in frame after every single touch. |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | Mainoo should start instead of Trent who wasn't good. Gallagher a good player to bring off the bench with his energy.
Clean sheet important, thought Trippier, Guehi and Rice were very good |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | didn't feel serbia really threatened at all even in the second half and we suffocated them from any real chances well. kane had a stinker though, the majority of our lack of attacking threat in the secnod half came from him doing his classic dropping too deep and not doing what a striker is actually supposed to and be a proper outball option. saka too was fantastic first half but was clearly out of gas within the first few minutes of the second and should have come off earlier. think this is why not taking someone like sterling could come back to bite us as no one out there outside of bellingham was really running at defenders and pulling them out of position which we sorely needed. |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Think it’s good that England got a defensive workout this early tbh |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | trent was great first half and i say that as a semi-hater, really don't think mainoo is ready to be a starter just yet |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Not convinced Alexander Arnold is the answer, looks a sunshine player, good when we’re having it all our way…lost when we’re under the cosh |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | serbia are a miles better team than albania, bit of an odd take.
didn't see bellingham grab his face once, got fouled constantly though. |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | ‘Even Italy was more exciting to watch. If you have to waste time against Serbia to secure a win as thin as this one, you won't make it very far.’
Is this the first tournament of international football you’ve watched? |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | we don't particularly have a cm thats fully ready to partner rice though in any case, out of the options for the first match of the tourney i'd rather go with him over mainoo and gallagher (again because he's a great impact sub later) |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | Trent gave the ball away 3/4 times and didn't look comfortable |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | Mainoo is calmer on the ball, can dribble with it and help transitions and never gives it away (especially in dangerous positions in front of defence like Trent did) |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | I think Southgate thought the whole of this game would pan out like the first 30 minutes and that was working with Trent. Maybe underestimated Serbia a bit.
I think Mainoo should start the next one really - I agree Gallagher is a great sub, at least against inferior opposition. Not sure you’d want him to have 30 minutes vs the better sides. |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | ‘Trent was great first half’
What game was I watching then? |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Yeah, I'd say Trent was 'hit and miss' first half, and that was in an England side mostly in control of the game...once we lost control he was done. |
gabba
06.16.24 | England did the typical: early goal, sits on the result. Luckily, the defense was very solid. With a more offensive team there may be troubles with this tactic. |
bighubbabuddha
06.16.24 | "not taking someone like sterling could come back to bite us"
Sterling is a LW not a RW
He's been dogshite this season for chelsea and was poor season before
Bowen and Palmer are brilliant options at RW |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Saka should have set up at least three goals in the first half (we converted just the one) but the movement in the box was non existent - the first half hour was a 2-0 performance, which if you do get that second it's game over.
Fair play to Serbia, they took the game to England, started winning the personal duels - Saka and Trent ran out of puff, and 'Tripps' was a flat nothing playing out of position. Stones is alarmingly slow, as is Harry Kane tbh.
Still, there is a killer team in there if it clicks, Foden needs to believe a bit more in particular. |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | I thought Saka was great in the first half, our best player. |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Yeah, deserved two or three assists.
Bellingham exudes ‘competitor’ though, more so than prime Kane even did. If anyone can drag England over the line in one of the next three tournaments it’ll probably be him.
Look how meek Foden, Saka and Trent were when up against it. Still not a team full of ‘leaders of men’ sorts. |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | Them days have long gone.
Terry Butcher > |
DoofDoof
06.16.24 | Well, if you had three clones of Bellingham in midfield it would be ideal, he has the mentality, those cool under pressure turns on the ball, the power, the finishing. |
zakalwe
06.16.24 | Yeah he is composed, quality. |
Sinternet
06.16.24 | "Sterling is a LW not a RW
He's been dogshite this season for chelsea and was poor season before"
not sure where i said he wasn't? he's blown hot and cold this season and last, been scapegoated for a lot of things that weren't solely his fault and still pulled decent goal tallies. he's always been inconsistent but when he goes for it he runs games and has performed pretty decently for england when needed, whcih is why i think it was a mistake not taking him along as an experienced option off the bench.
"What game was I watching then?"
the one where we dominated the midfield battle for 40 minutes and serbia barely had a sniff? i don't know exactly what people are expecting of someone in that position in the lineup but it's not exactly flair city, he did a decent job and things flowed through him nicely, sent saka away down the wings a couple of times really nicely.
mainoo is still too fresh to be a starter, bellinghams are a rare quality and i'd nearly always go for someone who has the familiarity with the squad to understand each other, over the obviously talented teenager who just today came on as a sub to make their competitive debut. the fact is we don't have a natural rice partner available atm with henderson's decline and general shittiness and so it's up for grabs for a fair few suitors, but i'd rather trent at the moment
foden was very disappointing, almost as wasteful as kane. don't think he's quite gelled with the current system yet. would like to see palmer get at least a half if not a start against denmark |
Egarran
06.16.24 | Southgate saw Denmark's game and thought 'nice, let's do that'. |
DoofDoof
06.17.24 | Can see a 0-0 vs Denmark and a 3-0 vs Slovenia to get everyone hyped, usual pattern, and enough to top the group |
Demon of the Fall
06.17.24 | "Not convinced Alexander Arnold is the answer, looks a sunshine player, good when we’re having it all our way…lost when we’re under the cosh"
Absolutely. For all the good he did in the first 30 mins (and I don't think he was THAT great, really), he nearly cost us a goal with a cheap giveaway. Spatial awareness in midfield is very different to at full / wing back. I'd start Mainoo over him in an instant, inexperience or not. At least he's actually a CM.
Good result but I can't see many positives to be honest. A couple of decent individual defensive displays (Guehi looked mostly composed and Rice held the fort down well, think we would've been screwed without him tbh) but the football after the first 30 minutes was so turgid and unnecessarily cautious. Sint made the point about Kane dropping deep, but that's what he does and is usually effective at feeding others. If it's not working when you have that level of talent in attack I'm inclined to blame the guy at the helm. Southgate is so instinctively negative and I think it rubs off on the players.
Bringing on the industrious Gallagher first and then a straight swap of Saka for Bowen (who nearly created a goal to be fair, but it wasn't a 'positive move') while Palmer remained chained to the bench despite Foden having a stinker, is an indication of how Southgate thinks about football |
DoofDoof
06.17.24 | I’d say Trippier is a bigger problem than Trent because his lack of offering anything going forward, plus being susceptible to losing possession, will not help whoever’s in front of him (or behind tbh).
Positives are that Kane and Foden surely can’t be as quiet again - and Saka might get fit enough to have over half an hour in the tank as the tourno progresses. |
bighubbabuddha
06.17.24 | I would drop Foden for Eze next game
Foden doesn't perform for England for whatever reason
Eze would provide an outlet from the left and spread the width with Saka on the right |
DoofDoof
06.17.24 | It’s tough dropping the PL Player of the Season though - we shit the bed without him then that’s a massive stick to smash Southgate in the face with
For those reasons of self preservation I expect Southgate to persist with him |
garas
06.17.24 | > This year garas will become a football fan.
Ehehe, I usually (more or less) follow the Euros. I don't think Hungary will climb far in this tournament. I just hope for entertaining matches.
> I love garas but hell no Hungary must be defeated right now
No hard feelings, bro, our team sucks. Bunch of overpaid dorks.
England VS Serbia last night was lame as hell... playing with my cat was far less exciting than that shit. |
Egarran
06.17.24 | *more
But yes. We should have seen it coming, it was all very textbook. |
Scheumke
06.17.24 | I think the NL game actually made me kinda hopeful. Poland played better when they had the ball than anyone anticipated. We got a lot of chances but missed sharpness in terms of actually scoring. The fact that we still won relieves some of the pressure, without adding the arrogance that this squad will inevetably get when winning 4-1 (which it should've been given the chances they had).
With a little improvement I think they can have a fair game against any team I've seen so far in the tournament. Still think they'll lose to Portugal in quarters though. |
Winesburgohio
06.17.24 | wtf this (ROMvsUKR) is the game of the tournament so far |
Scheumke
06.17.24 | Yeah that was unexpectedly fun. Belgium not looking so hot right now. |
gravityswitch
06.17.24 | looks like an end of an era for Belgium |
Mort.
06.17.24 | i am now back in the uk, wish id have tried some german food while in germany but oh well
overall a very nice place, essen and gelsenkirchen were cool |
Mort.
06.17.24 | game was a bit of a let down overall, first half was great and second i started zoning out lol. glad i went tho, good to have seen england match in person at least once |
garas
06.17.24 | Austria deserved better. At least, it was exciting match. |
Futures
06.17.24 | awesome stuff mort. sounds like a blast.
tough group, hope austria can get out of there. netherlands-austria should be a banger. |
gabba
06.17.24 | Austria was great, I really wanted them to score by the end, that Mbappe scene was ridiculous. |
Demon of the Fall
06.18.24 | Lukaku missing a hatful of chances in a big game, lol
Kante rolling back the years
some things never change. But yeah, Austria performed well, a bit unlucky. |
Scheumke
06.18.24 | They played very attractive, attacking football. But for all their possesion resulted in what, one good chance? France were deadly in the counters |
Egarran
06.18.24 | Poor Lukaku, the football gods clearly hate him. |
Mort.
06.18.24 | poor georgia, thought they had a chance of holding out for a while but now theyre just crumbling |
Scheumke
06.18.24 | The full whisle cacophony every time a Georgian has the ball is pretty appalling ngl |
Mort.
06.18.24 | yeah that shit sucks
when i was at the england/serbia game i decided not to boo their national anthem or boo whenever they had the ball or any of that shit
i think its really weird and pathetic
i mean jesus christ apparently the georgians in the stadium are outnumbered like 9/1 |
Mort.
06.18.24 | anyway i spoke to soon about georgia crumbling, said it before that turkey goal was disallowed and georgia got one in |
Scheumke
06.18.24 | Yeah that was a quick turn of events lol. Probably the lowest level of play we've seen at the tournament so far, but not unentertaining |
Mort.
06.18.24 | oh yeah very entertaining imo. maybe because im rooting for georgia so heavily, gotta love an underdog |
Scheumke
06.18.24 | Yeah 100%, let's go Georgia! |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.18.24 | Czech, the first team with an actual truck in front of goal...wtf |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.18.24 | Lol typical...great goal |
Tunaboy45
06.18.24 | got Romania in the work draw, enjoying that while it lasts |
Kusangii
06.18.24 | Well at least Penaldo didn't score |
Faraudo
06.18.24 | This tournament has been weird af lmao |
zakalwe
06.18.24 | A good start |
Icebloom
06.19.24 | "This tournament has been weird af"
What seems weird about it to you? Feels pretty standard to me - most top teams winning, a few good games, some boring ones |
Demon of the Fall
06.19.24 | yeah, seems like a fairly standard tournament so far. A mixed bag in terms of entertainment, but mostly expected results / one surprise (Slovakia beating Belgium) |
Scheumke
06.19.24 | I think the underdogs are really showing up, even though they haven't really gotten the results in. Slovenia, Slovakia, Armenia, Poland, Serbia, Romania all showing up stronger then I anticipated, England, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Croatia and Italy looking a little vulnerable in their first games. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.19.24 | "Well at least Penaldo didn't score"
Eheh I wouldn't worry much tho, cause he will |
Demon of the Fall
06.19.24 | yeah, they're mostly showing up Scheumke. I could see another upset on the cards soon
I'm guessing you mean Albania and not Armenia, did a double-take there for a minute |
Scheumke
06.19.24 | Hahaha you're right, Albania. |
zakalwe
06.19.24 | Come on Scotland, fucking hell. |
DoofDoof
06.19.24 | I would love nothing, NOTHING, more than Scotland progressing and then England get the chance in the knock outs to thump them to the tune of five or six!
Make it so. |
zakalwe
06.19.24 | Haha.
Would be lovely |
DoofDoof
06.19.24 | They had the draw against England last time and good for them.
For balance I'd just love to witness 'the humping'. |
gabba
06.19.24 | imperialists |
Futures
06.19.24 | that was a really solid game. shame scotland couldn't pull out a win. scotland can take hungary though which should hopefully be good enough for 3rd place finish. |
SmurkinGherkin
06.19.24 | This has been a bangers only euros so far
The number of worldies has been great and can't remember a bigger proportion of goals from outside the box in a tournament?? |
Futures
06.19.24 | shaqiri always delivers |
zakalwe
06.19.24 | Don’t worry Gherkin
England V Denmark tomorrow will be absolutely fucking useless. |
SmurkinGherkin
06.19.24 | Fully expecting a bowl of stodge tomorrow Zak lol
Balance of the England team was all off v Serbia not sure if I back Gareth to sort it |
DoofDoof
06.19.24 | Zak - I predict 0-0 for tomorrow yeah, then 3 or 4-0 in the last one to get everyone banging the drum |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | yeah, it won't be pretty, could definitely see a draw
I'll go with 1-1. England score early, bore everyone to death and then Eriksen creates something in the last 15 minutes |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | Danes are organised and in eriksen and holjund have players who can hurt us when we inevitably stop playing
I can def see a 1 all draw too happening
Trent needs to stay a bit deeper next to rice so he actually gets on the ball and has more space to ping passes. But a with foden kane and saka all in the team who is making runs behind for him to hit? Sort of feels Gareth has finally given into peer pressure in playing trent and foden but doesn't have a plan of how to make it work. Shaw injury massive blow to the side too. We need a left footer overlapping cos foden is always going to drift in |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | Trent needs to sit on the bench |
Jurtz
06.20.24 | shaqiri always delivers [2] |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | A slim win for England but won’t be surprised at all if Denmark snatch it.
It will definitely be a shite game though. Guaranteed.
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DoofDoof
06.20.24 | The truth is the England squad suits Bellingham being Rice's partner.
Then it would work like: CM Rice/Gallagher, CM Bellingham/Trent, AM Foden/Palmer, LW Gordon/Eze, RW Saka/Bowen FW Kane/Toney/Watkins
You might get 10% less impact from Bellingham but he could certainly hold his own in midfield, then you'd get a lot more from Kane, Foden and Palmer, plus more balance with a potential winger with speed on the left who can stay out wide. Foden for whatever reason in ineffective and maybe overshadowed by Bellingham in the current system.
Thing is, England are an 'all eggs in one basket' side, always. There's ALWAYS one main man (Shearer, Beckham, Rooney, Kane, etc) and now it's just The Bellingham Show near enough with everyone else going into their shells a bit. Hopefully, despite that, it clicks. |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | yeah, the squad does suit Bellingham playing deeper. I thought that sacrifice may have to be made at some point. Whether waistcoat will is another matter
I'd prefer Mainoo in there instead of TAA, but Bellingham would help solidify the midifield. Foden / Palmer centrally are great options and the rest are all natural wide players |
Egarran
06.20.24 | Confirmed, only pitiful patriotism can make us watch Eng - Den. All others should go for a nice walk. |
garas
06.20.24 | I can't wait for the "ex-Yugoslavian" match this afternoon. |
Jurtz
06.20.24 | I'm most excited for Spain - Italy tonight |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | Czech, Slovakia, Slovenia, Serbia, Netherlands, France etc. all with those same colours
I was testing myself yesterday upon seeing the flags all up in a bar, stated my claim as to which was Slovakia and which was Slovenia (the only tricky one), before realising they were arranged in 'groups' to match the Euros |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | yeah, if you're a neutral just go for Spain vs Italy, lol
I'd like to watch it but commandeering the TV for that long may not be possible |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | Gonna watch the England game in the pub and just drink through it |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | I agree jude should play deeper with England ideally. With rice there he could still get forward and shifting foden central would get more out of him hopefully. And get a proper winger out on the left who can press and stretch the defence |
Mort.
06.20.24 | im such a football noob, ive been watching football for years and i never get how people come to opinions like 'this person should play there and do this'. i just watch and am like 'that guy seems very good' |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | Growing up playing football manager 😂
And now I listen to a lot of footy podcasts and read tactics articles on the athletic etc. Been reading Michael Cox since like 2010 when he was still just zonalmarking.net or some shit. Over the years you develop something of an eye for a noob who never played really. |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | Tons of great shit on YouTube too. Tifo boys, Adam clearly on the fourfourtwo channel does fantastic weekly tactics vids |
Jurtz
06.20.24 | "I'd like to watch it but commandeering the TV for that long may not be possible"
Wife? Kids? Prison? |
Egarran
06.20.24 | It's all the same, man.
Smurkin you on fantasy euros? |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | Ye boi is there a sput one going?
My shits already fucked up but oh well haha |
Egarran
06.20.24 | No afaik I'm the only sputter who's into that evil. |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | Mate it just makes me angry don't know why I do it.
When rom had those two ruled out I was so vexed |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | And the fucking rudiger own goal! Lost a double clean sheet for him and mittelstadt. Was so close to looking like a genius |
fogza
06.20.24 | I feel like it's too late for me from a football perspective. I try to get into it but when I watch it I'm oblivious to the deeper workings of the game like I can with sports I'm into |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | honestly, I can think a decent game (vs your average fan), but mostly I'm not really watching for anything tactical. I read up about stuff afterwards sometimes as there's a fan forum I frequent and a few people go into great detail
I learnt (most of) the rules for American football as a Brit with no previous exposure and that game is so much more complicated, lol
Cricket as well. If you weren't brought up with it I imagine the nuances would be difficult to decipher |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | "Wife? Kids? Prison?"
yes, no, in a sense |
Jurtz
06.20.24 | Hahaha, I like the honest answer |
Scheumke
06.20.24 | Can anyone tell me why the VAR is not looking at possible corners? This is like the third or fourth time a referee gives a goal kick that should've been a corner for the opposite site. You have it, we can all see it, why not use it? |
garas
06.20.24 | Slovenia-Serbia match was savage. |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | ‘Can anyone tell me why the VAR is not looking at possible corners?’
Because there is absolutely no need to deaden the game even further and be even more shit. |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | Ye we don't need a 4 minute inquest at every corner car is bad enough as is |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | var * |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | Southgate is useless, unchanged line-up |
gabba
06.20.24 | He is a man with a vision lol. |
Egarran
06.20.24 | Alright, ready for two hours of slightly frustrating boredom. |
Egarran
06.20.24 | >And the fucking rudiger own goal! Lost a double clean sheet for him and mittelstadt. Was so close to looking like a genius
Hey I have those two as well. At least they got one vs Hungary. |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | ‘Alright, ready for two hours of slightly frustrating boredom.’
lol
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SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | Jesus christ England
From our own fucking throw |
DoofDoof
06.20.24 | turned into dithering dickheads at the end there |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | Expect anything less? 5 decades of the same shite.
Still, patience lads we still have another 45mins here. |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | When we score a goal we drop 10 yards and stop pressing
Bizarre and annoying |
DoofDoof
06.20.24 | Kane needs runners, he's playing like The Slowest Man on Earth |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | That scoring and sitting back bollocks is an absolute farce. |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | We miss sterling big time at least he wants to run in behind |
DoofDoof
06.20.24 | Trash performance, 3 out of 10, Denmark get a 7 out of 10 |
SmurkinGherkin
06.20.24 | 2nd half had been utter shite |
DoofDoof
06.20.24 | it's like watching Spurs - I don't get a holiday from the same rubbish |
DoofDoof
06.20.24 | Bellingham in the middle for me - he's not been that great in the 10 or 'free' role today. Trent and Gallagher are garbage. Bring Gordon into the mix, need something on the left side next game.
Tell Foden 'express yourself' in the central AM position....if he doesn't then Cole Palmer.
Someone needs to run beyond Kane and press...I'd say Foden should lead on that. |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | Beyond fixing.
They’re all out of puff. Not functioning as a team at all. Turgid as fuck. |
Galbador
06.20.24 | @DoofDoof Southgate is garbage. It's clarigly obvious that these guys dont have much if any trained attacking plays. The defense is all about sitting deep while having most of the players from agressive top clubs of the world. Prickford is enabled to kick the ball to opposition everytime he has it. This is a travesty. Unbelievably bad coaching while having top 3 squad in tournament. |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | Well played though Eg
❤️ |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | Southgate out.
That was actually unbelievable. When none of the players look comfortable and keep losing it because they have no passing options, that’s a coaching issue. When there’s no coordinated press with players occasionally, seemingly randomly doing it individually, that’s a coaching issue
And it’s a minor point (in comparison) but in what world is Bowen ahead of Palmer in the pecking order? Clueless |
anat
06.20.24 | 3-0 against slovenia, knocked out in RO16, lock it in |
DoofDoof
06.20.24 | If the pattern is the usual the last game will be comfortable and we'll likely win by 3+ goals - suddenly the team will be talked up as world beaters.
Ever was it so. |
Galbador
06.20.24 | They don't have any idea how to start an offence against opposition who aren't even pressing. Absolutely clueless. You thought Bellingham, Kane etc would just carry you didn't you Gareth? |
Galbador
06.20.24 | English media will undoubtedly after winning the great Slovenia... |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | They’re all absolutely knackered.
Change it up completely for the Slovenia game and scrape into the knockout stage. |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | It’s structure, not energy. The transition from our (far too deep) defensive shape into attack is pitiful. We can’t get out. The only times we managed it was through unsustainable individual skill. Saka did it a couple of times. Foden had one run. Bellingham, once. No incisive combination play. I could not believe what I was seeing.
This has last 16 exit written all over it at the minute. I just can’t see it improving. |
DoofDoof
06.20.24 | It's a better England squad than last time when we reached the final, probably ten times as many goals on the bench in terms of league season goals than at the last Euros.
Those years seemed to have worked a number on Kane though, he's officially in the 'Shearer trundler years' or 'fat Rooney phase'. Have to adapt or die, carry Kane and change the system but don't pretend he can press from the front! |
gabba
06.20.24 | I hope Kane reads this, go home to Munich!!! |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | If Southgate won the lottery he’d put it all in a savings account and never touch it again |
Demon of the Fall
06.20.24 | This Spain team are helping washing my eyes of the awful viewing from earlier somewhat, it’s like watching an entirely different sport
They need to improve their finishing though |
Egarran
06.20.24 | Just turned it on, that seems to have caused a goal. |
Futures
06.20.24 | dear lord that was brutal |
Mort.
06.20.24 | the quality of the spain vs italy game is 10x that of england vs denmark |
Egarran
06.20.24 | To absolutely no one's surprise. |
gabba
06.20.24 | Italy played a refreshingly offensive & creative football at euro 2020, but now they’re back to their super-annoying signature bunker style. I hope they go home early (unlikely scenario). |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | Still in the post match lull of how shite England are to fully concentrate on the Spain v Italy game. I nodded off. |
DoofDoof
06.20.24 | Tournament hasn't really sparked the imagination yet for me...I switched over to ep 4 of The Boys after Spain scored because I am a terrible person |
zakalwe
06.20.24 | I’m still convinced the last time England actually had a team mentality and style of play that could’ve gone on to win an international tournament was 199 bastard 8. Quarter of a century ago and that was off the back of some bloody awful early-mid nineties performances barring Euro ‘96 (RIP El Tel)
It’ll be ‘it’s a young squad with talent and who will be this that and the other’ it’s just the same shite, decade after decade after decade.
I was completely done with football around 2006 and haven’t really changed my opinion cemented by the premier league becoming a fucking funfair tourist attraction and clueless coked up little cunts wearing Stone Island clobber thinking their some hooligan firm.
It’s a souless parody of the game that without question had begun to lose its way in the mid nineties with the corporate bollocks and mass influx of foreign players changing the way the game itself was played which has massively come home to roost.
40% of fans are now Roger Nouveau types 99.9 of the players are brain dead acadamy clones and the game is dead.
Now what day and time is the Slovenia kick off?
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Demon of the Fall
06.21.24 | This is the least interested I've been. Seems to deteriorate each time there's a tournament
"with the corporate bollocks and mass influx of foreign players changing the way the game itself was played which has massively come home to roost."
idk how, but you managed to make a vaguely important point, but ruined it by blaming it on foreign players. I do think the corporate side has gotten out of control though. There are too many games for starters. The 'theatre' of it all has been cheapened and reduced to hyperbolic nonsense. Politics often saps enjoyment out of what should just be entertainment. The quality of football is occasionally quite good, sometimes completely dire because the players are shagged / injured all the time
I agree that it was nice seeing those maverick flair players of the 90s, as you don't really get many of them now. Brazil seems to have retained that culture to an extent, European football hasn't. Then again my love of football back then has to be somewhat dictated to by nostalgia, as a kid it just hit different |
zakalwe
06.21.24 | The foreign player thing completely altered the way clubs structured their teams, it also changed the way the game was played and how as a normal fan you related directly with the club.
It was too far removed from normal blokes on a pitch trying to win things.
Nostalgia doesn’t come into it, the game was different it was better.
Hooliganism was bad, the stadiums were shit, the quality was arguably worse but the passion, will to win and sense of pride was in a different league all together.
England for the most part have always been shit though to be fair. |
Donchivo
06.21.24 | Italy yesterday = Scotlands performance vs. Germany + Great goalkeeper + atrocious finishing by Spain.
What an utter demolition....
@ Gabba: I think Croatia are definitely capable of beating them, which in fact would quite likely mean that they're going home...
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Demon of the Fall
06.21.24 | isn't 3rd place / 4 points likely to be enough? I'm not sure if it's H2H or GD first tbh, because that will affect things |
Winesburgohio
06.21.24 | Slovenia play so beautifully, I think I have a new team to root for. I think their patience with the ball and intuitive first touches are unique in the competition, lovely to watch |
Demon of the Fall
06.21.24 | "It was too far removed from normal blokes on a pitch trying to win things"
Professional footballers aren't normal blokes though. Now they just have even more money and are perhaps even more in the limelight at an earlier age. Pretending otherwise when we're talking about the 90s seems odd. Way back when? Yeah, sure. 90s? Nope.
and I may have a warped perspective because my own club has produced more of our 'own' players through the academy than it ever did in the 90s, plenty of which are local and / or have been at the club since age 7-8 etc. Sure, there are plenty of foreign stars, but they're just as capable of playing with passion as the local guys (sometimes more so)
I think relating to your club is something different (and personal) so to each their own, but my own disillusion with the game is nothing to do with 'foreign players' and more about how the 'product' has evolved in the last ten years in particular (and by that point the foreign influx had already been well established) |
Donchivo
06.21.24 | isn't 3rd place / 4 points likely to be enough? I'm not sure if it's H2H or GD first tbh, because that will affect things
yeah 4 points is likely to be enough, but Italy would have 3 if Croatia beats them. Also they could end up being 4th. Spain already announced to rest players vs. Albania as they are confirmed group winners.
H2H is first tiebreaker before GD |
Demon of the Fall
06.21.24 | ah of course, if Croatia win they will definitely leapfrog Italy either way and Italy would only have 3 points
I don't think it'll happen, but it's certainly plausible |
Egarran
06.21.24 | I don't know why anyone expected England to shine versus Denmark. We usually guarantee average matches. And you're on to the next round. |
Demon of the Fall
06.21.24 | "I'll go with 1-1. England score early, bore everyone to death and..."
I didn't get the source of Denmark's equaliser (or timing) right, but this was my prediction, not bad |
Jurtz
06.21.24 | Netherlands - France 2-1
Disclaimer: I'm Dutch |
zakalwe
06.21.24 | ‘Professional footballers aren't normal blokes though’
This is just it Demo. They used to be, now look at ‘em.
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Egarran
06.21.24 | Socialist league now! |
zakalwe
06.21.24 | Not yet Eg.
You beat Serbia which is likely, we lose to Slovenia which is just as likely and that’s it in the bin for us. |
Egarran
06.21.24 | Shots fired. |
Scheumke
06.21.24 | Let's go NL! Not often very patriotic but seeing the sea of orange still gives a sense of pride and remains impressive |
Icebloom
06.21.24 | Feels like this might become the first 0-0. Neither team has an incentive to take risks
NL were good first 15 minutes, after that France is clearly stronger |
Pangea
06.21.24 | Shame but feel like offside is the right call there |
Pangea
06.21.24 | Ugh wijnaldum why. Guy hasn't done anything on the field in the last few years |
Demon of the Fall
06.21.24 | the ref is a pillock, he’s actually one of the worst English refs and they are horrific as a group, no joke… I have no idea why Taylor was selected
They screw up VAR every week in the league, so this is no surprise. Did seem harsh. Took bloody ages to decide too! |
Pangea
06.21.24 | I only wachted the 2nd half but i didn't see a overly bad desicion from the ref. Var took really long though |
Scheumke
06.21.24 | Boring, dissapointing game. Result in theory is good for us, but the way it happened looked absolutely uninspired. Substitutions were also incredibly headscratching. Should've ended as a 1-0 though, that VAR decision felt unfair. |
Icebloom
06.21.24 | "Boring, dissapointing game. Result in theory is good for us, but the way it happened looked absolutely uninspired"
Way too harsh imo, we were playing maybe the strongest side this tournament and didn't conceed too many chances. Kinda bad luck with the offside goal too (though 3 points would've been really undeserved) |
SmurkinGherkin
06.21.24 | No way in fuck was that offside fuck the modern interpretation of that law
Also the longest var wait of the tourney so far was with the English refs ahah |
SmurkinGherkin
06.21.24 | Good for my fantasy though ngl |
Donchivo
06.22.24 | This was the typical 50 / 50 decision for which VAR was NOT invented. Such a decision should be left standing as it is not a clear cut mistake. But it seems like some VAR intervention prompted them to rule the goal offside (as it took like a minute after the goal to rule it offside) and then a very lengthy check if that decision was correct, what the fuck???
I really don't know what is wrong with VAR; as both its use and decisions are getting worse over the years. It was inspired by American football where the main guiding principle is that only if there is very clear evidence, decisions get overturned. This was also proclaimed for football, I don't understand why it is so hard to stick to that.
BTW one of the better matches of the tournament, disagree hard with the notions of it being boring and few chances created. France should have decided it well ahead of that controversial call, but the Dutch had their chances too. I am intrigued with that oranje team, after a few torunaments with terrible football (but overachieving resultswise) they are becoming great to watch again like from 70s to mid 2000s. |
Pangea
06.22.24 | It was already ruled offside before the var check |
Piglet
06.22.24 | even if anthony taylor has a gud game i still want to do nuffing more than lambast him becuz in every other universe he's a self important parking inspector. but in this one for sum reason he's committing crimes against football every week and we all have to suffer becuz of it. our ai overlords cant come soon enough
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Scheumke
06.22.24 | I havn't seen the stats, but the pass completion from our entire midfield and offense felt atrociously low while watching it, except for Schouten who gets subbed for who the fuck knows why. Why Memphis is still playing is a mystery to me, the man hasn't hit a ball decently in 160 min of playing this tournament.
It's a good team that can make a very deep run if they get their shit together and we're hard to win against, but I haven't seen that form yet. |
Donchivo
06.22.24 | But they are an attacking minded team again which is different from recent past. And in both matches they created quite an amount of goalscoring opportunities and on the other hand they also conceded quite a fair share of that too... yeah Memphis didn't really shine yet. I'd like to see Malen, he had quite a decent campaign for Dortmund.
@Pangea: They signaled offside only 30 seconds after the goal. I wonder why it took them 30 seconds to take a decision if it was not due to external help... |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.22.24 | Ned vs France was cool. The game should have had goals though. Hope we have some Turkey for the afternoon meal. Time to see if we have a new Portugal, or the same old "living on the edge" one |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.22.24 | "Czech, Slovakia, Slovenia, Serbia, Netherlands, France etc. all with those same colours
I was testing myself yesterday upon seeing the flags all up in a bar, stated my claim as to which was Slovakia and which was Slovenia (the only tricky one), before realising they were arranged in 'groups' to match the Euros"
Ahah did the same with them flags yesterday |
Scheumke
06.22.24 | Good lord that 2-0 own goal from Turkey was some next level amateurism. A team of two faces, because they're showong some real strenght in offense |
CugnoBrasso
06.23.24 | Switzerland - Germany 7-0 tonight mark my words |
Egarran
06.23.24 | Alright, betting my house. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.23.24 | Lol yeah that 2 0 from Portugal was the funniest moment so far. Idk why we're getting so many pitch invasions tho.
So, we're first in the group already and will play the 8ths on monday against a best 3rd. Hoping for Netherlands and France to do their jobs and get the 1 and 2 places in their group. I am also curious on the picked portuguese team for game 3, since there's still a lot of great players that still haven't played. |
Scheumke
06.23.24 | Bro you have nothing to fear from NL as a Portugese. I don't think we've won from you in my lifetime. Here in NL Portugal is our most feared opponent because we can just never win that match. They can be the worst team left in the tournament and we can be the best, we'll still lose lol |
Egarran
06.23.24 | Germany and invasions you know, let's just hope we can keep it to football. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.23.24 | Ahah Sheumke, you have a point there, I think Instill rather a more accessible best 3rd. |
garas
06.24.24 | I still can't believe that our team has beaten Scotland. Poor Varga though, he has a few broken bones in his face. |
DoofDoof
06.24.24 | The Scottish still won the ‘drinking olympics’ or something I’m sure :D |
garas
06.24.24 | That is for sure, ehehe! |
Winesburgohio
06.24.24 | Extremely cruel that this coincides with COPA 2024 |
Demon of the Fall
06.24.24 | were our (England's) 'local' rivals the first to exit the tournament? Poland, then Scotland. Both out
lol |
Demon of the Fall
06.24.24 | "Extremely cruel that this coincides with COPA 2024"
cricket T20 WC too, but then that's probably a very English issue as the rest of Europe doesn't care (and the games are often at highly inconvenient times, so can't say I've seen much so far) |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.24.24 | What do you mean? We don't miss a cricket match here in Portugal. But we do it in rollerskates. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.24.24 | @garas, it's highly probable we meet in the 8ths |
zakalwe
06.24.24 | The T20 has been good. Absolutely shocking attendances though. |
Demon of the Fall
06.24.24 | India vs Pakistan pulled a decent crowd, even in the US. Which is not surprising I guess, as it's probably the one game that could sell well pretty much anywhere
I remember reading about dwindling interest / attendances in the Windies generally, as it's been happening for years. You'd think a WC (with the hosts involved) would generate a bit of buzz though. Shame
I'm still not sure what to make of the EUROs yet. The formatting is a little silly. I'm just hoping none of the 'favoured' nations gets through with 2/3 points or something daft. Barely any jeopardy. Knockouts should hopefully be fun |
zakalwe
06.24.24 | Chris Jordan 4 wicket maiden over > than every England football player being a cunt |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.24.24 | Croatia went from 4 points to 2 in 1 hot minute! Ouch! Poor Modric in the dark of his bench watching it happen...that's Italy we guess... |
zakalwe
06.24.24 | Goal of the tournament so far from Italy |
Galbador
06.24.24 | Forza azzurri |
garas
06.25.24 | Yeah, the camera’s focus found Modric in the “best” moment.
The other match was great, Spain played really well. |
gabba
06.25.24 | Italy vs Croatia was the clash of the "lucky teams", of those that somehow almost always manage to get through to the next round. And (no wonder here), Italy turned out to be the luckiest of them all.
It is such a treat seeing Donnarumma doing his thing, an amazing goalkeeper, he almost got away with the penalty this time as well. |
Demon of the Fall
06.25.24 | Italy would have most likely qualified even with a loss, the late equaliser effectively (most likely) knocked Croatia out
nice timing for my previous "jeopardy" comment, lol... the tournament needed that |
Voivod
06.25.24 | Italians played just enough to qualify.
If the stakes were higher, namely a group with yet another behemoth like Germany, France etc, they would give everything they got. |
Scheumke
06.25.24 | The 1-1 was deserved when seeing the second half, crazy that it happens in final minute AGAIN. That's like the 5th time this tournament that goals fall in the final seconds of the game.
Slightly tense about the game tonight, though looking at the halves of the knockout schedule, it will benefit us if we end up either first or third of the group. |
Pheromone
06.25.24 | Scotland lool |
Scheumke
06.25.24 | Correction, this was the 9th goal scored in extra time. 6 of those decided matches. That's a crazy high amount imo but it does add to the drama of the tournament. |
Pangea
06.25.24 | Well that was a fucking dreadful first half from the netherlands |
Pangea
06.25.24 | That was some diabolical defending from us today jfc |
Scheumke
06.25.24 | Yeah I imagine this was a fantastically entertaining 90 min for a neutral party. But holy moly did we play atrociously bad. Next is most likely gonna be England and no way in hell we're winning that playing like this. |
gravityswitch
06.25.24 | Deschamps is a football terrorist, there I said it |
Scheumke
06.25.24 | France are now on the impossible side of the scheme. The way they're playing they're not coming far. |
Demon of the Fall
06.25.24 | thing is England have been even less impressive so far
If we win the group and play you guys, I wouldn’t be confident. Weirdly that’s shaping up to be the ‘easier’ side of the draw too, so you may be counting your blessing for that defeat eventually, lol |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.25.24 | Insane game. Well done Austria! Netherlands played kinda bad agreed. Still kept coming back, which was rather fun. |
zakalwe
06.25.24 | Good God here we go again.
10mins to kick off and Kane looks absolutely shagged. |
Pangea
06.25.24 | Austria did play well tbf. Excited to see what they can do in the following rounds |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.25.24 | Totally yeah, Sabitzer is fire |
ShadowRemains
06.25.24 | didn't see this coming: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQ8AmZ_W0AADgNH?format=jpg&name=large |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.25.24 | Wtf...realizing that Portugal is in the same side of the finals' bracket, along with France, Germany and Spain...bloody hell...hoping England doesn't come along...so...go England(?) |
ShadowRemains
06.25.24 | england has no finishing ability |
Pangea
06.25.24 | Of course this boring ass group ends with two 0-0 draws yawn |
gravityswitch
06.25.24 | now imagine a France - England match |
zakalwe
06.25.24 | Dross |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.25.24 | Hungary as highly probable Portugal adversary. If not, Eslovenia it is.
@garas We meet again XD |
Donchivo
06.25.24 | This might have been the worst group in world cup and Euro history... 7 goals in 6 games, every single of which was a bland snoozefest.
I would pick Netherlands over England easily judging on what both teams did so far. |
DoofDoof
06.25.24 | Group championes! |
Faraudo
06.26.24 | Southgate's England could very well be the most lethargic team I've ever seen, wow. |
DoofDoof
06.26.24 | Has there ever been an England squad with so many league goals scored in the season leading up to the tournament? Yet we can’t score. |
bighubbabuddha
06.26.24 | thought Mainoo played well when he came on, balanced the midfield and wasn't afraid to receive the ball. would start him for the knock outs |
Demon of the Fall
06.26.24 | yeah, that was atrocious. We have to be amongst the worst group winners of all time. Ugh.
And yeah "I would pick Netherlands" (2)... it's a great opportunity on that side of the draw now, seemingly
Mainoo was obviously a better choice than both TAA and Gallagher (this isn't hindsight, said it before game 1)... maybe Southgate has finally realised it. That said I still wouldn't be against seeing Jude back there, as it's not like he playing well at 10 anyway and I think he has enough awareness, top level experience and technical ability to play in there and do a 'team job'.
Also, more Palmer please. The guy is an absolute maverick and if we're going to play such uninspiring team football, we need someone who can create something out of nothing |
Demon of the Fall
06.26.24 | also fair play to Austria, they've been great so far! |
Icebloom
06.26.24 | Ugh I always hate it when most of the favourites are on one side of the draw. England (just like the previous Euros) lucky again to be in the 'weaker' side |
Demon of the Fall
06.26.24 | I mean we're terrible so it won't matter. We're arguably part of the reason for this perceived weakness on one side of the draw. Austria also might end up being better than some 'stronger' sides as it happens. Italy often appear underwhelming until they're not (once the knockouts hit). We'll see |
Egarran
06.26.24 | >England (just like the previous Euros) lucky again to be in the 'weaker' side
It wasn't luck. If Denmark had won over Serbia, which they could and should have done, England would face Germany instead. |
Demon of the Fall
06.26.24 | I mean that kind of is lucky to rely on others, but also maybe Denmark should have done their bit and won the game
depends on one's perspective |
Egarran
06.26.24 | Woah. |
trailertrash187
06.26.24 | Southgate's gotta be the all time #1 most boring dork of a coach |
Mort.
06.26.24 | Georgia i love you |
zakalwe
06.26.24 | They’re impressive.
|
DoofDoof
06.26.24 | Dribbling masterclass from the Georgian lads...this has been one of the games I've enjoyed the most this tournament tbh |
zakalwe
06.26.24 | Same. Fair play to ‘em. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.26.24 | This is history for Georgia. Congrats lads! |
Mort.
06.26.24 | yeah you got to love an underdog playing decent football. good for them |
Demon of the Fall
06.26.24 | The winner will be from the Spain vs Germany (inevitable) QF imo
Wildcard is Italy on the other side
Portugal to beat France in QF but either way the winner will get pounded in the SF
Austria to make semis, Romania might beat the Dutch, won’t matter as they’ll lose to Aus who will finally succumb to a wily Italy
(Italy to beat England in QF btw)
Spain or Germany vs Italy in the final |
zakalwe
06.26.24 | Germany to win it |
DoofDoof
06.26.24 | Spain usually play incredible but then randomly malfunction, shit the bed out of nowhere, and go out - I also think the Germans are destined to win this one.
France vs Belgium should be a decent tie next round. |
Egarran
06.26.24 | You're wrong. Germany will be lulled to sleep by Denmark and lose by a silly own goal in the 69th minute. |
Demon of the Fall
06.27.24 | I just don't like making the most obvious prediction. Boring. Germany have to be the favourites now, right?
it makes sense when you consider they're at home and have arguably (is it?) the best coach, but I needed to see it. So far they have been very good and previous faves France, have not |
Mort.
06.27.24 | just wanna say watching Ronaldo seethe yesterday gave me a semi |
bighubbabuddha
06.27.24 | might go against the grain based off form but i still believe England are narrow favourites to reach the final on the easier side, Austria and Italy closely follow |
Demon of the Fall
06.27.24 | "just wanna say watching Ronaldo seethe yesterday gave me a semi"
I made sure my wife knew he a narcissistic cry-baby rapist when she saw him on the TV, as somehow despite knowing who he is, she had no idea about the "allegations" (which were only thrown out due to a technicality)
it's crazy how people with that much power / money can seemingly erase everything from public consciousness like it never happened |
Mort.
06.27.24 | oh wow i had no idea. just read up a bit online about it
he does seem like a narcissistic cry-baby indeed, he was proper throwing his toys out the pram yesterday |
bighubbabuddha
06.27.24 | I think innocent until proven guilty
But yes he is a narcissistic cry-baby haha |
CugnoBrasso
06.27.24 | Fun fact: the Swiss team is colloquially known as the "Nati", pronounced as "nazi". Nobody ever seemed to have a problem with this. |
Demon of the Fall
06.27.24 | "I think innocent until proven guilty"
yeah, the issue with that is money, power and 'technicalities' were all on his side. I believe the alleged victim. Reporters with a greater understanding of law and the case itself have provided evidence that's out there for all to see. It's convincing and comes from usually reliable sources. Sometimes you just have to call out the bullshit where you see it. Not reaching a guilty verdict is different from saying 'he's innocent'
but yeah I won't go into it any further. Like I said, it's out there if you want to find it. I'm just shocked at how successfully this seems to have been quashed, when other (minor) celebrities are often dragged over hot coals for even the mere association of potentially having done something criminal (even without enough evidence for a trial in the first place) |
Egarran
06.27.24 | Something something Trump |
ShadowRemains
06.27.24 | messi >>> ronaldo, both as a player and a person |
bighubbabuddha
06.27.24 | I respect your opinion but disagree.
For one, the case was civil and not criminal. The accuser was asking for a hush money settlement of about 26m dollars. From my understanding there was a hush money agreement of like 300,000 dollars already in place but that is in no way an admission of guilt. Even if hypothetically the civil case had gone through and favoured the accuser, Ronaldo by law would not be a rapist with a criminal record but simply obliged to pay a hush pay settlement.
Secondly the civil case got dismissed because the accuser's lawyer used stolen confidential documents and committed bad-faith conduct, making it impossible to have a fair, impartial jury.
There's no criminal case being investigated by the police, and therefore in my eyes no suspected wrong doing. I'm not the biggest fan of Ronaldo as a person but this is just as I see it. |
Mort.
06.27.24 | i dunno man sounds like a rapist |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.27.24 | Yall just sad he didn't hatrick yet.
Still managed to match Poborsky has the most assisting player ever on Eurocup.
As a father, there's always a valid reason when a baby criesz eheh. In this case there was an obvious penalty during the first half. The VAR, the same that pulled 2 minutes of football back to catch a slight touch on the 2nd half, did nothing on that one though. Ronaldo got the just yellow card for crying too much though XD |
bighubbabuddha
06.29.24 | come on switzerland, beat Italy and make it easier for England IF we can beat Slovakia |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.29.24 | OMFG amaaaazing Vargas' goal! |
Pikazilla
06.29.24 | regardless of who wins today, it's gonna be 1-1 tomorrow and we lose on penalties, as per the age-old tradition |
Tunaboy45
06.29.24 | I can see us limping through with an unconvincing 1-0 win and then losing 4-0 to Spain, Germany, France, etc |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.29.24 | "I can see us" who are you though?
Cause if you're english you still have 3 games ahead of you for that |
Voivod
06.29.24 | Never thought I'd ever see Italy play this bad, the Swiss dominated the whole game. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.29.24 | Yeah Swiss was pretty damn great. Very positive football. |
Tunaboy45
06.29.24 | @DDD Well if (IF) England beat Slovakia they'll be playing Switzerland, and the way they played against Italy they'd probably win |
Scheumke
06.29.24 | Bye bye Italy, first great nation going out. I'm just happy it isn't us NL lol. Swiss played great though. |
CugnoBrasso
06.29.24 | I am delighted in an unexpected way |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.29.24 | You still have the semis to go for either Spain, Germany or France in the final, Tuna. |
Tunaboy45
06.29.24 | I know, I made that comment before Switzerland beat Italy and now I'm adding them to the list too |
Tunaboy45
06.29.24 | Absolutely atrocious use of VAR there, obviously wasn't a deliberate handball and his position wasn't unnatural, so sick of this (Germany vs Denmark) |
ShadowRemains
06.29.24 | and now the swing from a disallowed goal to a handball leading to a PK goal for germany, yikes
same player too |
Tunaboy45
06.29.24 | Denmark deserve to be 1-0 up here, all this silhouette business is just a load of wank, a player is never going to know that in the moment |
Demon of the Fall
06.29.24 | The handball ‘interpretation’ is ridiculous. Farcical really. Denmark should feel hard done by.
I’d like to see a replay of their disallowed goal because the broadcasters have shown nothing useful at all |
zakalwe
06.29.24 | Been a good game. |
Pikazilla
06.29.24 | that's a gg |
Sniff
06.29.24 | 1. Perfect results today
2. Michael Oliver is ass |
zakalwe
06.29.24 | Would’ve been nice to see Denmark win |
Tunaboy45
06.29.24 | I think they deserved it more but that's how it goes. Germany going through is definitely more boring. |
zakalwe
06.29.24 | Germany looked the business to me. Will win it. |
Tunaboy45
06.29.24 | I'd fancy Netherlands for the tournament, as a wildcard, but my actual prediction is Spain. |
NexCeleris
06.29.24 | Havertz and Sané missing chances like that would have sealed a loss against Spain. Unless Georgia manage to pull off a literal miracle, I don't see how Germany can advance any further, but would love to be wrong. |
zakalwe
06.29.24 | If that Havertz dink went in it would’ve been goal of the tournament so far. |
NexCeleris
06.29.24 | Yeah, the dink itself was godlike, but the conversion was way too sloppy for ko stage football. He also had another 95%er he didn't convert... |
bighubbabuddha
06.29.24 | Yeah Netherlands are my dark horse but I still believe England can win it *touch wood* |
NexCeleris
06.29.24 | Nagelsmann was showing Southgate levels of stubornness with those Sané and Havertz starters today. Obv, I can't judge players by their training performance like he does, but I'd start Beier or Undav over Havertz any day of the week. Also, Wirtz had more impact in the last 10 mins than Sané had in the 80 before. |
Egarran
06.29.24 | I can sense my countrymen are not completely happy with tonight's events.
My thing is, on that VAR photo where the player is a toe offside, we don't see the ball being played. I bet the ball leaving the foot can be judged half a second earlier, leading to no offside. This is a very popular opinion.
This is a useless photo right: https://imgur.com/a/iEdlqls |
zakalwe
06.29.24 | No matter who wins it has to be said yet again VAR is absolutely killing the game, bin it. |
Tunaboy45
06.29.24 | Agreed, but after that Premier League vote it won't be going away anytime soon |
zakalwe
06.29.24 | Palms greased. |
NexCeleris
06.29.24 | "on that VAR photo where the player is a toe offside, we don't see the ball being played. I bet the ball leaving the foot can be judged half a second earlier"
While I'm generally a proponent of this whole VAR affair, I agree that this decision was dubious at best. |
anarchistfish
06.29.24 | Michael Oliver should retire |
Sniff
06.29.24 | Michael Oliver should've never been a ref in the first place |
CugnoBrasso
06.30.24 | Denmark won in my heart |
Egarran
06.30.24 | That's all that matters. |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | Wouldn’t it have been nice though
Oh well. Roll on 1700hrs where I can feel completely destitute watching England labour to a 1-1 and get knocked out on pens. |
Voivod
06.30.24 | I rooted for Denmark as well - I'm always rooting against Germany irrespective of its opponent - but the VAR decisions on Denmark's 1-0 and Germany's 1-0 penalty, were correct, both to the letter and the spirit of the rules.
It's a blessing that VAR can uphold the rules of the game with such detail.
It's also a blessing that blatant or subtle referee mistakes, by accident or on purpose, are a thing of the past, at least for Euro and World cups.
PS: in 2-0, Danish goalkeeper should have come out of this post in time. |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | England to win 3-0, you heard it here first |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | Can’t see it meself |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.30.24 | I want Georgia to look good against Spain, altough I fear they'll have an unpleasant surprise (they took 7 in the last one against Spain, not too long ago) |
NexCeleris
06.30.24 | "It's also a blessing that blatant or subtle referee mistakes, by accident or on purpose, are a thing of the past, at least for Euro and World cups."
Now that Daniele Orsato is about to retire, we're one step closer to that goal, at least. He's gonna ref at least one more Euros game, Portugal-Slovenia, with the same abysmal VAR (Massimiliano Irrati), though. |
DDDeftoneDDD
06.30.24 | Yeah right, being the "past" the last Portugal vs Georgia's obvious penalty and lack of VAR actuation in the first half. |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | Southgate missed a trick not starting Gordon against a 37 year old RB
We've still got enough though, hopefully they click today |
Demon of the Fall
06.30.24 | Boring boring Southgate. One change. Again! At least it’s one many wanted. Dodgy performance but narrow win incoming. The Swiss will be licking their chops |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | I’d have started with Gordon as well.
Fuck it let’s see what happens. |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | I tell you what Lisa the Utd fan can fuck off |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | Nah Mainoo is a generational talent, love the boy to bits,so calm and good under pressure, dribbles out of tight spaces, plays forward thinking passes and keeps everything ticking nice
Yes I'm a Utd fan haha |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | Christ |
Voivod
06.30.24 | Rooting for Slovakia and Georgia tonight, Slovakia plays a tight game right from the start.
Edit:
Fantastic goal for Slovakia, it practically hid the ball, 1-0!!!! |
rabidfish
06.30.24 | LMAO
Denmark were robbed last night, fucking disgrace. |
Pangea
06.30.24 | England's looking completely clueless. How is it possible to be this toothless with the attacking talent they have? There are some serious issues to fix and i'm not seeing anyone stepping up |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | Southgate out, his stubbornness to not change things is ridiculous, his inability to play attacking football with some of the best players in the world is criminal, completely flat |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | Same old, same old.
Potter going to sort it out is he?
Overpaid, pampered, overrated and overpraised bunch of wankers. |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | Potter would be an improvement on Southgate but I think we need Pochettino. Obviously go for Klopp as your first choice but not sure he'd take the job. |
Tunaboy45
06.30.24 | We're finished. There's no change he could make to the squad that wouldn't have the same result as this. Wank. |
ShadowRemains
06.30.24 | no goal lol |
Voivod
06.30.24 | Once the English started playing with the ball down, they had two chances for equalizing. |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | It’s curtains here |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | The fact we've only had one injury-enforced sub is a disgrace. What is Southgate waiting for, he's totally deluded |
Futures
06.30.24 | lets all point and laugh HAHAHAHAHAHA |
ShadowRemains
06.30.24 | so many broken plays and poor passing decisions from england lol |
Pangea
06.30.24 | Damn what a way to equalize |
Futures
06.30.24 | what an epic bail out lol |
ShadowRemains
06.30.24 | HOLY FUCK |
Mort.
06.30.24 | yeah wtf, honestly i would be fuming if i was slovakia |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | Pahaha lfg |
ShadowRemains
06.30.24 | that is one of the greatest goals ever scored given the circumstances |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | BIG HARRY |
ShadowRemains
06.30.24 | wow he finally showed up |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | He's scored 2 in 4 and usually waits for the knock outs to get going historically |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | I turned the tele off in the 85th minute 😂 |
Scheumke
06.30.24 | From a neutral perspective, would be a deserved win by England tbh. Slovakia have had no idea what to do with the ball for the last 60 odd minutes. England haven't been convincing but surely by far the better team. |
Kusangii
06.30.24 | 90+5 and 91 lmfao, you can't make this shit up |
DoofDoof
06.30.24 | First classic match of the tournament, let’s just admit it :D |
ShadowRemains
06.30.24 | that was one of the better england Ws in recent memory |
Icebloom
06.30.24 | Ugh, if there's one side I don't want to win the tournament, it's England. So much quality but such incredibly poor, negative football
England fans should heed this as a good sign btw - I had exactly the same feeling about Portugal in 2016
|
Icebloom
06.30.24 | "Slovakia have had no idea what to do with the ball for the last 60 odd minutes."
Yeah lol what'd you expect? Their only focus was defending and they did very well at that. Almost won 'm the game too |
anat
06.30.24 | southgate still needs dragging over the coals |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | Southgate was seconds from losing his job and now who knows.
Mental how we bumble through these things. Absolute shit.
|
DoofDoof
06.30.24 | I don’t know if it’s a gypsy curse but Foden is clearly the source of bad luck for this England side |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | The boy will come good, I feel it in my bones. |
ShadowRemains
06.30.24 | OMG OWN GOAL |
Pikazilla
06.30.24 | COME ON GEORGIA I BELIEB |
ShadowRemains
06.30.24 | that was a terrible dive, fuck off spain |
bighubbabuddha
06.30.24 | This is the most end to end game of the tournament , great watch |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | Pitches are abysmal.
German efficiency has gone out the window since they decriminalised the old whacky baccy. |
Demon of the Fall
06.30.24 | Worst team to ever win a Euros group wasn’t enough for Southgate, he wanted to go one better and re-write history
fortunately the immovable object met the irresistible force. Bellingham with a moment to save waistcoat’s blushes
bloody awful, it’s truly remarkable how bad we are |
Demon of the Fall
06.30.24 | “don’t know if it’s a gypsy curse but Foden is clearly the source of bad luck for this England side“
the most obvious thing to do is to drop him, so Southgate will instead award him a guaranteed 80 minutes in the next game |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | Have some faith. The lad has natural talent |
DoofDoof
06.30.24 | Some just never work out for the national side, could be a Joe Cole (ok now I’m going too far, that’s too rude to him, Jack Grealish is probably the most recent Joe Cole) |
zakalwe
06.30.24 | Joe Cole was better than Grealish
Foden is better than Joe Cole |
DoofDoof
07.01.24 | This is true, but as stands none ever played all that well for England |
zakalwe
07.01.24 | It’s the English way |
bighubbabuddha
07.01.24 | No Guehi next match as he's suspended. I'd play Konsa there. Trippier will be a doubt, so I'd move Walker to LB and play Trent at RB. |
zakalwe
07.01.24 | Pickford
TAA. Stones Walker
Saka Bellingham Rice Gordon
Foden
Palmer. Kane
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bighubbabuddha
07.01.24 | Trent at CB?!
Pickford
TAA Stones Konsa Walker
Mainoo Rice
Palmer Bellingham Foden
Kane |
zakalwe
07.01.24 | Desperate times desperate measures.
Concede 5 score 7.
Kevin Keegan style. |
bighubbabuddha
07.01.24 | Hahah |
Pikazilla
07.01.24 | we need someone like Crouch |
zakalwe
07.01.24 | Michael Owen |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.01.24 | What an epic way to take the game to extra time. Congrats Engaland. |
anat
07.01.24 | Paul Ince and Ray Parlour gerrem on |
zakalwe
07.01.24 | Romford Pele. Legend |
Demon of the Fall
07.01.24 | "Have some faith. The lad has natural talent"
Foden doesn't fit. Southgate won't do it, but I'd drop him and try and find a better balance than having him cutting inside all the time from the left. With Tripper behind him, it was never going to work. No width whatsoever. It'll be the same problem if Trippier is out because it seems like we just brought Shaw along for a laugh as he isn't fit enough (another ridiculous decision).
Just take buddha's team and replace Foden with Saka. He's a natural winger and left-footed. That's less of an adjustment for him than it would be for others. Gordon should get a proper look-in from the bench too |
Demon of the Fall
07.01.24 | we'll be shite either way and waistcoat should be binned the moment the tournament is over, but it'd be nice if he at least did something that made sense in the meantime |
zakalwe
07.01.24 | Faith in Foden and his poxy shit neck tattoos |
anarchistfish
07.01.24 | dembele dropped thank fuck |
bighubbabuddha
07.01.24 | Yeah Saka at LW isn't a bad shout.
I was impressed with Eze when he came on as well but I wouldn't start him |
bighubbabuddha
07.01.24 | Another formation I thought about was this: 3421 Swiss play 3 at the back so could be a possibility
Pickford
Walker Stones Konsa
TAA Mainoo Rice Saka
Bellingham Foden
Kane
Saka and Trent to provide width
You play Bellingham and Foden behind the striker as two 10s, Foden would be more comfortable there |
zakalwe
07.01.24 | Foden as a ten behind Kane and Palmer
Bellingham in midfield with a bit of free reign
Gordon in on the left for a bit of pace and fuck Rice off out of it. |
bighubbabuddha
07.01.24 | I don't trust Bellingham as an 8 with positional discipline. He's been playing a false 9, occasionally a 10 the whole season at Real. Rice and Mainoo are nicely balanced, they cover each others' weaknesses |
zakalwe
07.01.24 | Do or Die |
ShadowRemains
07.01.24 | lmao ronaldo |
bighubbabuddha
07.01.24 | He's crying like a kid lmao |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.01.24 | Me too |
ShadowRemains
07.01.24 | holy shit costa |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.01.24 | Still crying.
We feel shit.
Not the first time Costa defends 3 penalties in a row
|
Pikazilla
07.01.24 | WP Costa
otherwise, not a good showing from Portugal lol
this is Slovenia we're talking about |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.01.24 | Lol Vitinha sub fucked it up, otherwise Slovenia barely had ball. But yeah, lets go Costa XD |
Egarran
07.01.24 | Noooo Seskoooo |
Faraudo
07.02.24 | Spain is the only non-shit team out of the "big ones" lmao |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.02.24 | I agree. Germany is also pretty strong. I hope not, but probably the winner will come out from that match. |
zakalwe
07.02.24 | Ronaldo is without question autistic, narcissistic, suffers from some god complex and is a manifest reason of why the modern game is shit.
Players are in a constant stage of arrested development as a result of being treated like superstars from the age of 6 and stuck in academy’s to be molded. |
Mort.
07.02.24 | no doubt, i imagine the average footballer is horrendous to speak to. uneducated, football obsessed, no idea of what a real job is like, arrogant to the extreme
|
DDDeftoneDDD
07.02.24 | He s also the reason why sports nowadays is a multidisciplinary activity. If any ( won't speak of sport successes) he shows 200% commitment to the job in all aspects of his daylife. I'm sure you d rather sport being played by talented smokers and drinkers but those days are gonne, and wouldn't be up tonthe tasks. I get your view though, and the dude should start by letting others sgoot the freekicks lol |
bighubbabuddha
07.02.24 | depends I think some footballers are genuinely nice people. There's bound to be all sorts. I imagine people like Kante, Rice, Mata, Defoe are great to be around. Then you get the ego-driven social media driven divas like Lingard and Pogba who just aren't very bright. Then you get the narcs like Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic who would get tiring very quickly |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.02.24 | Hum yeah honnestly you're not talking about football and sports. Your talking about soap operas I really don't care about. I get the social media comparison but to compare Ronaldo to Pogba (or any player) on work ethic is absurd |
Faraudo
07.02.24 | Odegaard seems like a brilliant, overall nice guy too tbh. I'm an Arsenal fan and he's an incredible captain. |
Demon of the Fall
07.02.24 | you can be autistic and not be anything like Ronaldo, so not really sure why you felt the need to bring that up. I don't like the association
It fits in some ways, but he's also a lot of other things and the reason he's the way he is isn't any 'fault' of autism (if he actually is, I mean it's certainly possible). And if anything, that makes me more sympathetic towards him, which is absolutely not what I want |
zakalwe
07.02.24 | To be fair that footage of Rice going upto that crying lad when he was at West Ham definitely appeared genuine.
David Luiz playing with that disabled child as well years ago was also a heart warmer |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.02.24 | Ronaldo is the reason you all eat only chicken. Deal with it. |
gabba
07.02.24 | “Ronaldo is the reason you all eat only chicken. Deal with it.”
No, it is Jim and Iggy. |
Demon of the Fall
07.02.24 | at least he makes it okay for men to cry, probably
it should be acceptable, although doing it mid-game is a step too far perhaps, lol |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.02.24 | Yeah lol
The all team was highly emotional on post match. Hope is for the best XD |
gabba
07.02.24 | I think it was great that he cried, but not because he can now be ridiculed for it.
For a man with such an ego and macho attitude, showing vulnerability is something people should respect. I've always disliked the guy, but this level of emotionality was strangely moving. |
DoofDoof
07.02.24 | always felt the burning desire was stronger in Ronaldo than anyone else, hence Ronaldo > Messi.
Not saying he's always the most likeable but he's the best of his generation. |
Mort.
07.02.24 | ronaldo is a cretin and i hope he cries more and feels bad forever |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.02.24 | Oh that s nice |
Demon of the Fall
07.02.24 | gabba: I think it COULD be a good thing, simply because it may change the perception of men crying for some people. I mean if one of the greatest athletes of our time can be that good and also show vulnerability, then it perhaps makes it more socially acceptable in the eyes of the general public
It won't change my perception of him as a person though. He's an interesting psychological 'case study' perhaps, but beyond that I don't think it'll soften my stance on him being a massive wanker |
Egarran
07.02.24 | The obsession with Ronaldo's personality is weird indeed, but a lot of musicians get that too. "He's good but I don't like him so his suffering pleases me." |
Mort.
07.02.24 | he is good its true, but i dont like him, so his suffering pleases me |
Egarran
07.02.24 | As a philosopher you should be objectively interested in the motives behind that mindset. It seems petty, but also kind of masochistic since he still has more success than suffering. Which means that you also suffer. Which in turn pleases Ronaldo fans.
I sense a dissertation coming up. |
Dreamflight
07.02.24 | Cr7 is probably ok with that. There is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about. |
Mort.
07.02.24 | 'As a philosopher you should be objectively interested in the motives behind that mindset. It seems petty, but also kind of masochistic since he still has more success than suffering. Which means that you also suffer. Which in turn pleases Ronaldo fans.'
ive literally never suffered once in my life, my brainstem has passed suffering and transcended
|
Egarran
07.02.24 | The common man fears the intellectual angle, because they think the next step is an idealistic purge of their cultural sphere. |
Pangea
07.02.24 | Finally a good game from the Netherlands! We got lucky that Dumfries wasn't punished for stimulation but we were the much better team overall
Hope we can avoid Austria, not having much trust in that matchup anymore |
bighubbabuddha
07.02.24 | there's definitely a perceived disconnect between intellectual discourse and the lived experiences of the average person
Netherlands were great pang, watched them in the gym. |
Pangea
07.02.24 | Jesus that's early, i wasn't even paying attentiion to the game yet 😅 |
zakalwe
07.02.24 | Some start. Blimey. |
garas
07.02.24 | No fucking way, the Turkish team will beat Austria. Fuck. |
bighubbabuddha
07.02.24 | come on Turkey, knock out the media darlings Austria |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.02.24 | Oh over there too? Hehe |
Egarran
07.02.24 | I could go for 30 mins more of this. |
Shiranui
07.02.24 | So sad my boy Ivan Schranz is out of the tournament. Guy's been having several great displays and that name always manifested strong Ivan Drago energy to me. |
zakalwe
07.02.24 | What a game, what a save at the end there |
Shiranui
07.02.24 | First time a team stopped attacking as a collective and got through with it? |
Scheumke
07.02.24 | What a game [2]. NL - TUR, now thats one I'm looking forward to. Austria had so many chances though, 2-2 would've been deserved imo. |
zakalwe
07.02.24 | Holland will turn them over. A right old basting. |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.02.24 | Do you guys get this calender? Teams that played yesterday will play friday, teams that playyed the day before play saturday 🤷 |
Winesburgohio
07.02.24 | What a game [3] maybe the best of the tournament? was not expecting that |
garas
07.05.24 | I feel this Spain VS Germany will be a rough one. |
bighubbabuddha
07.05.24 | It hasn't flowed nicely at all. Think Germany will Nick it towards the end. Let's see |
gravityswitch
07.05.24 | Battle of Stuttgart |
bighubbabuddha
07.05.24 | Well what do I know lol |
Scheumke
07.05.24 | Pretty interesting and fun game to watch as neutral this. Terrible referee though, completely whistling the game to smithereens. |
NexCeleris
07.05.24 | Thanks, Taylor. |
Pangea
07.05.24 | Please ban english refs from international tournaments. Let that shit stay in the premier league
Super fun game though! |
garas
07.05.24 | Terrible referee [∞]
The game was fine, but some of the German players were a tad bit too rough on the Spaniards. |
Shiranui
07.05.24 | I'm usually not very emotionally involved into my national team, but this refereeing was abolsute bonkers. At this point, I'm glad for whoever wins the competition but that team and their mock of Steve Jobs on the side-line. |
NexCeleris
07.05.24 | I'm glad for whoever wins the competition but that time-wasting team of bad actors and their mock of Steve Jobs on the side-line. [2] |
Shiranui
07.05.24 | Would you look at that: https://x.com/CampusVid2/status/1809291819613638684
In german TV they even asked former female referee Steinhaus who literally said "no penalty, because the player stood on the ground with both his feet striking a regular pose fitting the scene." |
NexCeleris
07.05.24 | Yeah, Steinhaus has the IQ of a brick and was way too empathetic during her active career, so no surprise. Interestingly, they were talking about Füllkrug being offside before on English TV. They should have ruled it as that, then. |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.05.24 | Tight tight tight. Let's all push for Portugal XD tks |
NexCeleris
07.05.24 | Sorry, can't bring myself to root for Pepe or any of the whiny divers. On the other hand, France should have been eliminated like three games ago. Go anyone that doesn't fit aforementioned criteria, I guess? |
Faraudo
07.05.24 | Damn Germany got robbed |
Voivod
07.05.24 | Well, it appears that Spain is unmatched in this tournament, feels like the early '10s where they took the euro and the world cup back to back. |
Pikazilla
07.05.24 | is we going to OT |
Demon of the Fall
07.05.24 | I would like to point out I had Spain as winners 😁
I see this game is going as expected! It’d be kind of hilarious to see France win without scoring a goal by one of their players (again) |
Demon of the Fall
07.05.24 | so many boring ‘talented’ teams in this tournament |
Voivod
07.05.24 | Spanish defender is moving his hand towards his body, but nevertheless, his hand changed the course of the shot, ok referee sucks, but why the VAR didn’t prompt the referee to see the video and change its decision?
-- so many boring ‘talented’ teams in this tournament
That's what happens when soccer players are more athletes, less real soccer players. |
Demon of the Fall
07.05.24 | I don’t think that’s it tbh. Too many club games, international football is inferior because limited time / training for cohesion etc.
Absolutely nothing to do with them being focused on the ‘athletic aspect’ |
Demon of the Fall
07.05.24 | Both teams could’ve won it there
Neither team should go through. Replace them with Germany lol |
Demon of the Fall
07.05.24 | The difference in ego between the captains nearly just ended the universe there I swear |
Pangea
07.05.24 | Yeah would rather see germany than any of these two. France are so boring |
DoofDoof
07.05.24 | Wanted Germany and Portugal to progress...
Tomorrow want England and Holland to go through.
Have a bad feeling. |
Pikazilla
07.05.24 | switzerland in the final would be interesting |
Kusangii
07.05.24 | Thank god Penaldo is out |
DoofDoof
07.05.24 | 'switzerland in the final would be interesting'
struggling to think of anything less interesting |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.05.24 | Fuck I m sad for Portugal. We should've won, regarding the chances we made in crucial times. Curious as hell to see what France will do against the pretty boys.
Another lesson is that even France get Mbape out and our coach couldn't take Ronaldo out, when he was a 0% |
bighubbabuddha
07.05.24 | god that game was boring. |
Pikazilla
07.05.24 | 'struggling to think of anything less interesting'
us in the final would be less interesting |
DoofDoof
07.05.24 | No, we come with a lot of baggage, it’s inherently interesting
Same with Holland
Turkey would be very strange finalists and like Greece winning it
Switzerland winning it would be like Denmark winning it
Yup, def the least interesting
|
bighubbabuddha
07.05.24 | England to win 2-0
Mainoo masterclass
Kane and Foden to score
Heard it here first |
Pikazilla
07.05.24 | Greece were the most boring euro winners let's not kid ourselves |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.05.24 | "god that game was boring."
I thought it was highly tactic and interesting. Both teams had good chances to score, in crucial times. Intense and tight, with 2 of the strongest squads. It would be a fun game, if it wasn't my team losing. |
Pikazilla
07.05.24 | And watching us struggle to make any decent space-making plays (save for our unicorn instant counters) is painful and makes me want to cry tears of blood |
gravityswitch
07.05.24 | as a french I swear I want to die watching our team play
+ watching a penalty shootout
but WE WON ONE AFTER 25 YEARS
I'm sorry other teams but we are unstoppable |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.05.24 | Congrats! We played better imo, but that won't stay in history |
Faraudo
07.05.24 | That Portugal vs. France match is certainly up there with some of the worst international games I've ever had the displeasure of watching. Deschamps is a football terrorist. |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.05.24 | Some games are poorer but more fun to watch, agreed. |
Egarran
07.05.24 | >Damn Germany got robbed
"Heh heh heh." - Denmark |
TheNotrap
07.05.24 | Years go by and nobody on this site knows how to watch F |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.05.24 | Yeah, definitetely a music website XD
Portugal vs France was a great game. Too bad we lost...
Im for Spain against France, but I don't think it'll be that easy as one may think. |
Deez
07.05.24 | Thought it was terrible, France no where near what they were a few years ago either.
Spain Germany was great after a nothing first half.
|
Voivod
07.06.24 | -- Greece were the most boring euro winners let's not kid ourselves
Not only as a Hellene, but also as a soccer enthousiast, I vehemently beg to differ.
There's is nothing more exciting that half of the team acting like a bus in front of the defending post, while the other half is trying to steal the ball in the center and then play its socks off in swift and deadly counter-attacks.
That's what happened in 2004. Rehhagel copied the Italian recipe, which, well, has been successful in terms of trophies and cannot work without talented players.
-- I don’t think that’s it tbh. Too many club games, international football is inferior because limited time / training for cohesion etc.
It's exactly the sheer amount of club games that forces players to be more athletes, less soccer players, because talent, if it's there in the first place, flourishes with practice in the interim time between games.
With so many club games per season, there is no time to really sit down and deeply think about the game, so most soccer players need to be athletes first and foremost in order to survive. |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | Great take Voivod.
"Thought it was terrible, France no where near what they were a few years ago either.
Spain Germany was great after a nothing first half."
Cause they were playing against Portugal. France in fact did not scored any decent goal this Euro, but barelly suffered any goal either. This Euro is marked by an extreme presence on midfield (only 1 stryker) and absolute balance in every moments of the game. That's why it's so hard to score. Germany vs Spain was "great", as you say, on 2nd half, because Spain scored on one of the few chances they got, making the game to open a bit. Spain played really good football, but they had the same issues when the game got tough against a great team, such as the germans. |
bighubbabuddha
07.06.24 | Deftone that game was trash. Ronaldo and Mbappe were anonymous. 0 xG at half time, france had zero creativity in midfield, Portugal had a few more chances but the manager taking off Fernandes and not Ronaldo was a disgrace. Penalties most exciting part of the game |
bighubbabuddha
07.06.24 | Teams like Spain, Germany, Austria, Turkey, Georgia have been so much more exciting to watch. Turgid stuff from Portugal who couldn't score in the knock outs and France who are about as exciting as a wet party popper |
Piglet
07.06.24 | i am actively ashamed to share the same last name as anthony taylor. just the thought i could be bred from the same stock as that peasant who probably wears lycra even to bed.. he probably even has a whistle use bonus in his contract judging by how he officiates games |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | "Fernandes and not Ronaldo was a disgrace. Penalties most exciting part of the game" Fernandes was a good sub (not in good shape). Ronaldo should've been replaced too.
Georgia and Turkey were fun to watch as underdogs. Austria played high class football. |
zakalwe
07.06.24 | I have a funny old feeling |
garas
07.06.24 | "Austria played high class football." [2]
Spain must win. The fact that the French team is still in... awful. |
bighubbabuddha
07.06.24 | it's coming home |
zakalwe
07.06.24 | 🏴 |
Nocturtle
07.06.24 | Nah Spain will be champs |
Voivod
07.06.24 | Just opened the television to England - Switzerland at '35 of first half, who's dominating so far? Local sportscasters say the Swiss are waiting below the centre for the English to err, so that they can counter attack, which is in contrast to Swiss way of playing, which is organized attacks by default. |
Nocturtle
07.06.24 | Best the engrish have played all tourney |
Nocturtle
07.06.24 | Swiss seemed confused |
Voivod
07.06.24 | Swiss have gained ground in the second half. |
Mort.
07.06.24 | im snooooooozing |
NexCeleris
07.06.24 | There's your wake-up call. |
Mort.
07.06.24 | and now im slightly awake again but just dissapointed |
NexCeleris
07.06.24 | And now that disappointment slowly fades. |
NexCeleris
07.06.24 | Sweet shot, too. |
Mort.
07.06.24 | yeah it was great, really unexpected tho lol |
DoofDoof
07.06.24 | England have been the better team so there's that - two very cautious sides though |
DoofDoof
07.06.24 | 'Nah Spain will be champs'
that is the most yawn outcome |
zakalwe
07.06.24 | This goes to pens we are buggered |
DoofDoof
07.06.24 | very workmanlike are these Swiss, will love a pen shootout |
NexCeleris
07.06.24 | Sommer sucks at pens, so there's a good chance Southgateball will prevail. |
DoofDoof
07.06.24 | Southgateball was greater than whatever the hell swissball was today lol |
DoofDoof
07.06.24 | better team, better pens, we march on |
zakalwe
07.06.24 | Get in |
bighubbabuddha
07.06.24 | Saka and Mainoo were great in the game
Our penalty takers are all elite level, I had no doubt |
zakalwe
07.06.24 | Toneys was the bollocks |
Voivod
07.06.24 | England is going nowhere with sweating to qualify against mid national teams.
Its nemesis is imminent. |
Pangea
07.06.24 | I beg the football gods don't let the final be france - england. I might die of boredom |
Pikazilla
07.06.24 | would be the most omegashite euro final I've watched in my lifetime, pangea |
anat
07.06.24 | France won’t get past Spain so not worth worrying about |
Kusangii
07.06.24 | lol this Euro has been very underwhelming hasn't it? |
bighubbabuddha
07.06.24 | I think France beat Spain. France have a very solid defence.
The group stages were brilliant. The knockouts have been underwhelming |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | Now you're getting it.
Even so, fingers crossed for Spain. |
DominionMM1
07.06.24 | haven’t been able to watch much of this tourney due to the time difference. they really need to start holding it here in the US. |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | We should have an Euro in the US ye |
bighubbabuddha
07.06.24 | I mean Israel and Kazakhstan are always in the EUROS qualifiers which I think is ridiculous |
bighubbabuddha
07.06.24 | I think it's because they are members of UEFA but I think you should have to be in Europe geographically |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | To think we won Turkey 3 0...
Sad... |
zakalwe
07.06.24 | Nothing worse than that feeling of despondency when you’re knocked out a tournament. Bloody awful. |
Voivod
07.06.24 | There's Coppa America for the Americas, I reckon.
And the Netherlands will always be, well, the Netherlands… |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | For real Zak. So hard. I struggle but manage to see the other games when I can. |
Pangea
07.06.24 | GOATY GAKPOO
|
DominionMM1
07.06.24 | “I mean Israel and Kazakhstan are always in the EUROS qualifiers which I think is ridiculous”
not sure about kazakhstan but israel playing against other national teams in that area doesn’t sound like a good idea, especially right now |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | Only Russia is out afaic |
Pangea
07.06.24 | Yeah no one in the middle east wants to play israel so asia was never an option for them.
A small part of Kazachtstan actually counts as Europe |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | Oh got it.
Changing subject, crazy game rn |
Pangea
07.06.24 | Comfortable and easy win. Never in doubt |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.06.24 | XD congrats |
NexCeleris
07.06.24 | Now that was a proper qf. |
zakalwe
07.06.24 | England v Holland semi final
It’ll either be an absolute classic or shite. |
gravityswitch
07.06.24 | holy shit, goals |
SomeCallMeTim
07.06.24 | In Amsterdam atm, shits going wild |
bighubbabuddha
07.06.24 | my bad on kazakhstan! |
NexCeleris
07.06.24 | @Tim: So pretty much just a regular ol' night. |
SomeCallMeTim
07.06.24 | Yeah, just much more orange |
Pangea
07.06.24 | Have a lot of Turkish people in my neighbourhood and things have been insane with every Turkey match, including this one |
Voivod
07.06.24 | The Dutch decided to keep appearances, for a change.
Match with England just can't be missed. |
Demon of the Fall
07.06.24 | Worst England team to have ever gotten even close to this far
Most fearless set of penalties I’ve ever seen from us tho. Is this the universe balancing itself out? Lol. Great strike from Saka though, pleased for the guy
Weird tournament. Lots of average teams. Even France look average. Spain should win but football is weird |
NexCeleris
07.06.24 | France and England might be the most boring teams, but their defense is unmatched. Have a hard time imagining NL crack that English wall tbh. Same for Spain, who had a good time abusing the not-so-pacey Kimmich, but will face a much bigger challenge in Hernandez/Walker/Trippier. |
zakalwe
07.07.24 | A clanger is due.
Take your pick from Pickford, Stones or Guehi having an absolute mare. |
DoofDoof
07.07.24 | I’d drop Guehi, he exudes nervousness - the Villa lad was instantly calmer and simply better.
Stones looked less sleepy vs the Swiss too.
Foden, again, the unlucky charm last night. Is it ever going to happen for him?
Palmer is a real street fighter, should get more minutes. |
zakalwe
07.07.24 | Yeah I’ve been impressed with Palmer as well.
I hate to admit it because he is always good for a goal but maybe the time has come to drop Kane, the bloke is absolutely spent. |
DoofDoof
07.07.24 | Yeah, Kane could be one you wheel on for penalties rather than take off late!
Toney doesn’t really have the finesse but he’s just this rangy handful of a player- Wally Otkins is always there if Big Ivan flops I guess |
bighubbabuddha
07.07.24 | I would keep the 3-4-3 formation.
I was impressed with Konsa but believe he got injured towards the end.
My team would be
Pickford
Walker Stones Guehi
Saka Mainoo Rice Shaw
Palmer Bellingham
Kane
Trippier has killed our left flank, if Shaw is fit he needs to start for 70 minutes.
It's time for Palmer to replace Foden.
I'd stick with Kane but was disappointed with his performance. |
Winesburgohio
07.07.24 | Imagine a Netherlands v Spain final!! ...then imagine an England v France final
(i'm kinda kidding - i thought England played well!) |
DoofDoof
07.07.24 | the tournament would have been greatly improved with Portugal and Germany progressing - think everyone's done with Spain and France winning |
DoofDoof
07.07.24 | I'm still of the belief Kane will finally play well in one 'big game' in his career and he's running out of tournaments for that to happen so could/should be this one.
Insane he's never played well in a massive game for England, Spurs or Bayern... |
bighubbabuddha
07.07.24 | Depends who is in charge for WC 26 and form of other strikers but there's a chance Kane sits on the bench in 2 years time if Southgate isn't manager
He'll be 32, 2 months from 33 |
DoofDoof
07.07.24 | as he ages he becomes less likely to put in that performance that 'wins a tournament' or 'knocks out the favourites in a tournament'
feeling very close to 'now or never' imo
next year's CL would be his second best chance, next WC I doubt he starts for England |
bighubbabuddha
07.07.24 | Yeah, another two seasons playing Bundesliga and CL will tire his legs out. Will take much longer to recover and any pace will be pretty much gone. |
anarchistfish
07.07.24 | I'm Anglo french and have Netherlands in sweepstake lol
Spain win coming |
DoofDoof
07.07.24 | Spain are the best side sadly, but the best team don't always win, thankfully - as that would be predictable and football is all about the unpredictable... |
bighubbabuddha
07.07.24 | I think Spain going forward are the best side but believe their defence has weaknesses. Their team and back 4 are small so they are potentially vulnerable from set pieces. Nacho and Carvajal are 34 and 32 and not the quickest. If England were to face Spain in the final then Saka would also have Cucurella for toast |
bighubbabuddha
07.07.24 | just looked at the height of their back 4: 5 ft 8, 6ft 1, 5ft 11, 5ft 8 |
zakalwe
07.07.24 | Encouraging |
bighubbabuddha
07.08.24 | fgs, Zwayer is ref for the England game. He's the ref that Bellingham criticised in that post-match interview for match fixing. |
NexCeleris
07.08.24 | Zwayer has been fine as far as this tournament goes. It's the Bundesliga games where his decisions have been dubious time and again. He was involved in a notorious corruption/match-fixing scandal in 2005. More allegations came to light in 2014 (where he was voted ref of the year).
People will always be suspicious when he refs, and he won't ever be able to shake that bad image, in all likelihood. There were several instances of clear misjudgment by him these past two seasons. VAR rules will need some serious revisions in order to prevent bs like that from happening. |
bighubbabuddha
07.08.24 | he stopped reffing for two months after Bellingham's comments. My concern is that he'll have it in for Jude and England and see this match as a form of retributive karma. He may be fine but I highly doubt. |
zakalwe
07.08.24 | All Germans officiating.
Thank Christ there is just as much animosity between the Dutch and Germans as there is with us. |
bighubbabuddha
07.08.24 | https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjk3xgk2y87o |
zakalwe
07.08.24 | Go on hubba, what’s the prediction son? |
bighubbabuddha
07.08.24 | 2-1 to England in extra time
We score first through Kane
Gakpo equalises
We get multiple penalty shouts dismissed by dodgy ref. Bellingham gets a yellow for a nothing.
In extra time Toney gets the winner. hbu bro? |
zakalwe
07.08.24 | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVnQ737COk&pp=ygUZZW5nbGFuZCB2IGhvbGxhbmQgZXVybyA5Ng%3D%3D |
zakalwe
07.08.24 | In reality.
England won’t turn up. 3-1 to Holland. |
DoofDoof
07.08.24 | This is the first knock out game I'm confident of winning.
Bad sign :D |
zakalwe
07.08.24 | Just look at how shite we have been, on our arse and seconds away from being knocked out by Slovakia.
A better performance and a deserved win against Switzerland who let’s be fair had a good tournament but were all over the place against us and even then it went to pens.
I think there’s a chance we get annihilated. If we win it and win well fuck Spain it’s coming home.
|
Cormano
07.08.24 | there ain't no way england is beating spain as much as i'd like that |
zakalwe
07.08.24 | They’re not unbeatable. I think France might do them tomorrow. |
bighubbabuddha
07.08.24 | yeah French have a solid defence and Mbappe might show up |
Deez
07.08.24 | France and the eng have been shite but they only need 2 good games to win it rest is in the past, cant see past spain tho |
Cormano
07.08.24 | I feel like the final was already fought last friday, sadly Germany lost
|
Demon of the Fall
07.08.24 | Yeah. Honestly the tournament as a whole has been fairly shite outside of a couple of underdogs doing well in the odd group game
Spain should win this easy based on what we’ve seen thus far, but football doesn’t work like that |
SlothcoreSam
07.09.24 | https://youtu.be/vGwyzJqrruo?si=E4dCRLUvR0iUHM9o |
bighubbabuddha
07.09.24 | Mbappe playing LW against 38 y/o Navas at RB should be interesting |
DoofDoof
07.09.24 | potentially Spain's 'shit the bed' game? |
Pikazilla
07.09.24 | worst euro final incoming |
DoofDoof
07.09.24 | ok, this kid is insane, what a strike |
Pikazilla
07.09.24 | Spain hang in there pls |
DoofDoof
07.09.24 | Spain always win, how is this a fun outcome? |
Pikazilla
07.09.24 | because they are fun to watch
France vs England will be a guaranteed snoozefest |
DoofDoof
07.09.24 | Spain waltzing to another win? It will put the final stamp on this being an eminently forgettable tournament.
England or Holland winning will just be a turn up for the books. |
Pikazilla
07.09.24 | I don't mind any of the four teams winning the tournament
I just don't want England - France final because that will be boring as shit to watch |
bighubbabuddha
07.09.24 | Yamal scoring a wonder goal at 16 in a semi final is unbelievable |
DoofDoof
07.09.24 | Pika - yeah, maybe a repeat of Italy vs England true, I'd take it though
England have a much better chance of beating France than Spain |
ShadowRemains
07.09.24 | how the fuck do you do what yamal did at 16, jesus christ |
Faraudo
07.09.24 | Deschamps is a terrorist |
Pikazilla
07.09.24 | country checks out |
Pikazilla
07.09.24 | now that the worst euro final is cancelled, I'm gonna cheer for whoever wins the England - Netherlands game in the final |
gabba
07.09.24 | Spain - Netherlands final with Spain winning, this is the way. |
Nikkolae
07.09.24 | "Spain always win, how is this a fun outcome?"
almost every game Spain has played has been at the very least entertaining soooo |
rabidfish
07.10.24 | Spain-Netherlands would be cool. A rematch from 2010 WC final.
Spain-Englad would probably go to pens, so that's also nice, ig. |
Nikkolae
07.10.24 | England to the finals over southgates dead body |
Kusangii
07.10.24 | That Yamal goal was one of the most amazing things I've seen in football ngl. Absolutely unreal to do that on this stage at that age. |
Demon of the Fall
07.10.24 | Yamal is an unreal talent, but Spain as a whole are the best team at the tournament because of their cohesive whole. They have great players, but they're not all superstars. Their passing, movement, positioning, teamwork, savvy etc. all playing a part. So many teams have looked considerably less than the sum of their parts. Not Spain. I fancied them after seeing their group stage performances, so it's not really a surprise to me.
Deserved finalists and clear favourites on Sunday
(it's also saved neutrals from the inevitable bore-fest of England vs France, lol... Spain will make it interesting regardless, although the Dutch would likely entertain more than England) |
bighubbabuddha
07.10.24 | I don't think the Dutch are an entertaining watch at all. They are really missing Frenkie De Jong in midfield |
Demon of the Fall
07.10.24 | their games are usually entertaining though (until tonight!)
This isn't necessarily a comment on their style |
Pheromone
07.10.24 | I got spain in the sweep and i was ecstatic to begin with but am even more so now |
Pheromone
07.10.24 | i think they would tear us (england) apart tho |
Pheromone
07.10.24 | > Honestly the tournament as a whole has been fairly shite
untrue |
Demon of the Fall
07.10.24 | Spain have been very unshite
most teams have been shite
sometimes in entertaining ways, but usually in boring ways
there's my in-depth analysis |
Egarran
07.10.24 | Well if you're English or Danish it's true. |
fogza
07.10.24 | It was shite because my sweepstakes team didn't do well I lost 2 quid |
Pangea
07.10.24 | I think most dutch games have been quite entertaining (not always for me because of our shite defending)
Curious about tonight! I think England's playstyle gives a shot as they probably gives us space and our worst games have been against teams that pressure us (Austria & first half of Turkey). But Englands individual quality could break us |
Pangea
07.10.24 | Can't watch the game tonight though as it is d&d night, so hopefully it's not too exciting |
Pikazilla
07.10.24 | nerd |
Pangea
07.10.24 | You know it
It is way more fun that watching any england match |
Pikazilla
07.10.24 | couldn't agree more, friend |
Demon of the Fall
07.10.24 | Pang's probably not wrong, to be fair (2)... not that I'd know |
bighubbabuddha
07.10.24 | Reports saying Shaw on the bench and Trippier starting LWB. Sigh. |
bighubbabuddha
07.10.24 | Only the biggest alphas play D&D, flex it pang |
Scheumke
07.10.24 | Watching the game from the camping in southern France tonight. There's mostly Dutch people on this camping and they're having a big screen viewing of the game near the pool so might be a blast. Anticipation is building even here, can't wait! |
Scheumke
07.10.24 | I heard there's about a 100k people walking in the Dutch march today, thats crazy! Secretly hoping for an Orange Wall tonight in the stadium, that would be a thing to behold. |
Egarran
07.10.24 | "You see a group of loud, intoxicated football fans approaching." |
zakalwe
07.10.24 | England fans are very similar to Argentina or the Indian cricket fans.
Dominant and irritating as fuck. |
zakalwe
07.10.24 | COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!
🏴 |
zakalwe
07.10.24 | That is a ridiculously harsh decision |
ShadowRemains
07.10.24 | ...that's an iffy review/penalty call |
zakalwe
07.10.24 | Never a pen |
Pikazilla
07.10.24 | well hazza made the best of it |
Demon of the Fall
07.10.24 | Bullshit pen, admittedly
Brilliant game so far though, all out attack, both sides living dangerously |
zakalwe
07.10.24 | Foden proving to be the bollocks.
Get a goal son. |
Scheumke
07.10.24 | Its a great game for both sides to watch I think. Tense af, could go both ways, england looking more tactical, netherlands looking more for the quick counters. |
bighubbabuddha
07.10.24 | Foden, Mainoo and Walker playing well |
anat
07.10.24 | that’s more like it lads |
Pangea
07.10.24 | D&d didn't go though so watching anyway. We have looked shell-shocked since our fast girl. Saka in particular has been menace for our defence. Pen was lucky for england for sure but i kinda get it was given
|
zakalwe
07.10.24 | Bless ya |
Scheumke
07.10.24 | 3rd time England score in extra time? Goddamn. |
ShadowRemains
07.10.24 | HOLY FUCK |
Scheumke
07.10.24 | Congrats boys! It sucks balls to go out this way but I hope you take it against Spain. Let it come home... |
anat
07.10.24 | what a beautiful goal that was |
Pangea
07.10.24 | Harsh way to go out since i feel we were tge better team 2nd half, but tbf an excellent finish |
Cormano
07.10.24 | ok that shot was insane |
ShadowRemains
07.10.24 | the crowd reactions from england for that winner should be wild |
Cormano
07.10.24 | "Harsh way to go out since i feel we were tge better team 2nd half"
you were, great match overall |
Demon of the Fall
07.10.24 | What a finish! Such a bloody bizarre run to the final this has been, so scrappy etc. but at least they’re a resilient bunch and this was our best performance overall by far
Expecting a pounding in the final but you have to be in it to win it!
|
DoofDoof
07.10.24 | WALLY OTKINS TAKE A BOW! |
Pikazilla
07.10.24 | this was a fun match for sure
I hope we can bring this energy to the final |
Icebloom
07.10.24 | Ah man what a frustrating way to go out. Pure quality from Watkins though
Unsure whether it really was a pen |
zakalwe
07.10.24 | Fair play to the Dutch they sorted themselves out in the second half but what a way to win it.
GET IN!!!!!
It’s possibly coming home. |
DoofDoof
07.10.24 | Foden still had to go off for England to win ;) |
ShadowRemains
07.10.24 | if i was a netherlands fan i'd be incensed at that penalty review, that was awful |
DoofDoof
07.11.24 | It was nowhere close to a Germany vs Denmark - now that was suspicious |
zakalwe
07.11.24 | First time since ‘96 there’s an actual belief between team and fans.
Quality |
Winesburgohio
07.11.24 | lovely to see my Claret and Blue boy put on the finishing touches with panache. England have been great and sometimes outstanding twice in a row, and this is coming from an arch-nemesis. Netherlands did have a distinct run in the second half but equally it was another display of England's fortitude no? |
Jurtz
07.11.24 | The ref was a fucking joke |
garas
07.11.24 | > this was a fun match for sure
Maybe we have watched different matches? It was pretty mid, most generously. I did not care who'll win this, but my expectations were set much higher.
> It’s possibly coming home.
Lol, the Spaniards will rekt their lazy asses. |
Jurtz
07.11.24 | Yeah Spain will crush them, just like they would've crushed us if we had gone through |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | that spanish defence is suspect though. If we start Shaw and begin on the front foot we can do it |
Demon of the Fall
07.11.24 | "It was pretty mid, most generously. I did not care who'll win this, but my expectations were set much higher."
by the standards of the tournament, it was a good match
by the standards of the knockouts, it was great actually. Quite a few drab games
by the standards of recent England matches it was phenomenally entertaining, lol
|
DoofDoof
07.11.24 | Spain are an ‘it works or it dunt’ side, France looked strong until the keed scored the best goal of the tournament and gave the whole side a shot of belief/adrenaline.
They’re beatable, they’re not the vintage Spain side who lifted the WC, not that level
They’re moderate favourites, I’d rate it 60/40 in spains favour - but Spain HAVE shat the bed out of nowhere in recent tournaments
If France had made the final vs England I’d have rated that 50/50, so the final I wanted from the semi lineup
The dream final would have been England vs Germany of course |
Faraudo
07.11.24 | Southgate winning a trophy will certainly be a horrible sight to behold |
Mort.
07.11.24 | spain are overrated, england will be fine (i am coping pls let me be) |
DoofDoof
07.11.24 | 'Southgate winning a trophy will certainly be a horrible sight to behold'
Some things are bigger than a manager
Some things are bigger than the political agenda being placed behind the sport
Despite all of them, despite all of that...if England win it'll still be England winning a tournament at football and I would celebrate it as such.
|
NexCeleris
07.11.24 | English side won me over with that passionate first half last night. Kane rolling around after that contact was funny, but not even half as despicable as Nacho pounding the ground after a slight shirt pull or Carvajal screaming in anguish after tripping over a foot.
Rooting for Southgateball to take it home. |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | the spanish are full of divers and divas |
garas
07.11.24 | > by the standards of the tournament, it was a good match
Perhaps, but still, it was just "lukewarm" football. This "tAcTiCaL" approach is boring as hell. *stares at the French team with great disgust* |
NexCeleris
07.11.24 | "full of divers and divas"
Sadly, many players have adopted those practices. Kinda turns me off the sport, tbh. |
Pheromone
07.11.24 | Semis
Final
Quarters
Final
i am not a southgate fan but he's got a way |
Demon of the Fall
07.11.24 | "This "tAcTiCaL" approach is boring as hell."
implying England understand tactics |
Demon of the Fall
07.11.24 | if anyone thinks these Euros are a little idk 'tame' check out Copa America. 90 minutes of kicking the shit out of each other, rolling around on the floor (sometimes the two are related, sometimes not) and then a full on brawl with the CROWD after the match, apparently |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | i think Southgate did well in 2018 to get to the semis
He was using the likes of Lingard, Young and Henderson and little squad depth
But in the last 4 years the team has got so much better on paper and we have the best squad depth in the world. A lot of the success comes down to a wealth of talented players coming through and performing at a high level in the prem and CL
His decision to bring on bottlers Sancho and Rashford cost us the penalty shoot out vs Italy.
I still think Southgate holds us back in terms of style of play and subs. We could play so much better with a manager with tactical nous.
That being said he's changed the culture and relations with media for the better and his subs have been good in terms of personnel but not timing this tournament |
Demon of the Fall
07.11.24 | yeah, I thought Southgate WAS doing well, but the expectations have shifted since then. We have become more demanding (quite rightly)
The squad is still somewhat imbalanced despite the increase in depth though, to be fair. France have a ridiculous pool of talent to choose between and a few other nations may not have the 'depth', but perhaps also don't have gaping holes in specific areas (like LB until Shaw returned, midfield generally). Then again Spain survived France playing 38 yo 'ex-winger' Jesus Navas vs Mbappe somehow, so it's not like they were blessed everywhere either |
DoofDoof
07.11.24 | it is time to move on from Southgate after this tournament...but if he lifts the trophy he'll fight to stay for the World Cup, anyone would |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | France don't have depth at GK, CAM or ST. They had to call up 37 Giroud because of lack of depth. Will also be interesting who takes the CAM position once Griezmann retires internationally.
Spain lack depth across the back 4 and if Morata is injured from the security guard they will have to play 34 y/o Joselu who is clinical but slow as hell |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | England don't have depth at LB and CDM but are pretty stacked in every other position |
Demon of the Fall
07.11.24 | Giroud is one of those players who always gets called up. International football is weird like that. France didn't really 'have to' but fine to say they aren't that blessed, strikers are in short supply for most nations it seems
the problem with CDM isn't that England don't have 'depth' it's that we literally have no-one at all. Rice is playing there out of necessity. We just don't produce them. All box-to-box 8s, no 6s (this is still weird to me as I see them as '4s' but whatever, things change / depends on the system etc.) |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | I mean England are blessed with strikers
Kane
Watkins last season got 27 goals and 14 assists in all comps last season
Toney is a great 'physical' striker that holds up the ball well and can take pens
even our 4th choice not in the squad is 26 y/o Solanke who got 21 goals last season in all comps for Bournemouth |
Demon of the Fall
07.11.24 | yeah we are, certainly more so than I can ever remember. We're good for attackers generally. I won't argue with that |
DoofDoof
07.11.24 | it's impressive considering how tactics have changed - usually only one out and out striker
back in the day you had a lot more - people like Fowler, Andy Cole, Les Ferdinand, Defoe, Kevin Phillips...these peeps got an absolute tonne of league goals and sometimes wouldn't make an England squad even in the days you always took four out and out forwards because two would always start |
Pikazilla
07.11.24 | Doof, I feel the English playstyle has changed and for the worse
I hope we go aggressive as fuck in the final, would make for a classic match as long as our defenders have the team's backs |
DoofDoof
07.11.24 | Pika, I think the early part of the Spain vs France match showed you can get under Spain's skin so I agree aggression is key. I think if possible it is time to start Shaw ahead of Trippier as that'll balance the defence, Spain will give our defence their first FULL workout - we've protected the defence really well so far this tournament, Pickford has made about five saves in total?
I don't think England are moving away from the prevalent trends in football tactics, I'd say more that we're right in that group, more teams were cautious than attacking in this tournament. I preferred the days before this level of stats, the sort telling you that walking goals in is more effective than trying to set up shots from deeper - hopefully things change up again :/ |
garas
07.11.24 | > more teams were cautious than attacking in this tournament
[2] That is the problem. |
Pheromone
07.11.24 | i think we played really well in the first half yesterday, it's the best we've been in years
why do they make me dream again |
DoofDoof
07.11.24 | '> more teams were cautious than attacking in this tournament
[2] That is the problem.'
It is primarily due to the nature of statistical analysis in the modern game. |
Pheromone
07.11.24 | i think it's primarily to do with jose mourinho |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | I think the dutch were poor on the ball yesterday. they missed the quality of F. De Jong and Koopmeiners. We were so good in the first half because there was a mismatch in midfield and plenty of space. The reason the second half was closer was because the dutch put more midfielders on.
I think Spain have the quality to keep the ball under pressure with Rodri and Fabian Ruiz. We will need to use our wingbacks to push their fullbacks right back. I'd also recommend Bellingham loosely man marks Rodri to stop him dictating play |
Demon of the Fall
07.11.24 | nah, top club sides are playing riskier football than ever before. High lines. Playing out of the back under immense pressure. League play is especially open at times, particularly in England and Germany. Of course you’ll get the odd bus parked with a serious talent disadvantage, but even then not always. Honestly think a couple of you are talking complete tosh.
National team tournaments are always a bit different. It’s a cup comp, the players have less time together to come up with intricate tactics etc. It’s just a different game
The argument about players being more regimented / predictable or whatever was spot on, this is tosh |
zakalwe
07.11.24 | ‘We will need to use our wingbacks to push their fullbacks right back’
This will make it ridiculously easy for Del Solero and Grassyarse to run in behind. |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | With 3 at the back and Rice and Mainoo sitting I trust them to deal with the wingers. And out of possession Shaw and Saka and run back and create a a back 5. Spain are dangerous when their full backs overlap |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | Shaw is great at tracking back and his physicality should hopefully nullify Yamal |
bighubbabuddha
07.11.24 | I'm not saying the wingbacks go gung ho but they do need to push forward into the opposition half in pos |
zakalwe
07.11.24 | As I haven’t been creative since I left school in ‘96 and have not been this invigorated by football since then I’ve gone full David Brent and been inspired to write this.
From the land where a ball was first stitched and cries of goal are shouted comes a match in which Lions are looking to be slain by a formidable foe undoubted
The shores will be a deafened howl caused by 50 million strong fuelled up on lager bellowing against the opposing Armada
Come the Seventh day could it be possible that Captain Kanes sits upon a throne.
Answering his subjects eternal statement and finally bring it home.
|
DoofDoof
07.11.24 | to the tune of....? |
zakalwe
07.11.24 | My old man’s a dustman |
zakalwe
07.14.24 | 🏴
Bring it home lads |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.14.24 | Make no mistake. Spain is the team that commits more fouls. Good luck and may the best team (in this game) wins! |
Pikazilla
07.14.24 | welp |
ShadowRemains
07.14.24 | possession numbers are horrible for england and they're bleeding chances against now |
Pikazilla
07.14.24 | we looking rattled rn |
ShadowRemains
07.14.24 | what a strike holy shit |
Pikazilla
07.14.24 | get in there |
ShadowRemains
07.14.24 | lmao
england's absolute failure to control the ball is making a spain win inevitable |
Pikazilla
07.14.24 | well that was a shitshow
at least we only lost with a single goal diff |
Pangea
07.14.24 | Well luckilly the 2nd half was a good watch. Congrats Spain! Deserved winner, were clearly the best team this euro's |
SomeCallMeTim
07.14.24 | Rip, gg spain |
Kusangii
07.14.24 | It's coming to Madrid lads |
garas
07.14.24 | Hurray for Spain! Both teams played well, all three goals were cool. |
DoofDoof
07.14.24 | I’m not saying Spain winning these things is tedious but it is fucking tedious :D
Better final than the Italy game at least |
Sniff
07.14.24 | You love to see it |
bighubbabuddha
07.14.24 | Well played Spain, best team won. Kane should not have started, he was terrible. No energy, no pressing from him, gave the ball away numerous times. |
DoofDoof
07.14.24 | Tournament rating: 5 out of 10
You needed an underdog to win it to make this relatively poor quality tournament memorable.
As is? One of the most underwhelming and instantly forgettable tournaments ever.
Was there a hat trick? Were there more than five wonder goals? Were there more than four goals in more than a handful of games? Were there more than a couple of breakout 'new superstars'? Did any of the 'last chance saloon' legendary players perform?
It was a bit of a clunker. Onwards. |
DoofDoof
07.14.24 | For England:
Say goodbye to Southgate.
Strip the captaincy from Kane and give it to Bellingham and get him to grow into the role.
Walker, Trent, Gallagher, Trippier, Bowen, Toney....these lads shouldn't make the World Cup.
Positives for England: Pickford, Bellingham, Mainoo, Guehi, Saka, Palmer |
Pikazilla
07.14.24 | Ngl the one tournament I'll always be salty about is 2006 wc
I was really rooting for Brazil - they had the dream squad, seemed unstoppable
Couldn't have fathomed them losing to France that year |
DoofDoof
07.14.24 | 'Well played Spain, best team won. Kane should not have started, he was terrible. No energy, no pressing from him, gave the ball away numerous times.'
Kane will win a trophy of some sort but I'm starting to worry he'll never perform in a proper 'big game'. His massive weakness when it comes to rating his career with the best of the best. |
bellovddd
07.14.24 | Kane will never win a trophy i am convinced lol |
DoofDoof
07.14.24 | What domestic cups do the Germans have? Bayern will scoop something up next season. |
bighubbabuddha
07.14.24 | Bayern have a good chance winning the league next season with the players they've recruited. I just don't think Kane has the energy or legs off the ball, doesn't suit England anymore . |
garas
07.14.24 | "You needed an underdog to win it to make this relatively poor quality tournament memorable."
[visible confusion] |
DoofDoof
07.14.24 | hubba, the great cry of the unwashed was 'get him to goal hang in the box' but he was actually less effective trying that than dragging defenders away and threading through balls or putting in crosses. It's what 'the people' wanted though, it was a nice dream. He didn't look particularly sharp either way though. |
DoofDoof
07.14.24 | '"You needed an underdog to win it to make this relatively poor quality tournament memorable."
[visible confusion]'
The year Greece won it was probably a poor tournament but...I remember it because....Greece....Greece...Greece?...won it. |
Egarran
07.14.24 | Great game, deserved winners. Bad year for English football and their poor, deluded fans. |
DoofDoof
07.14.24 | ‘Bad year for English football’
Half the squad are teenagers who’ve hardly played together before and Southgate is going - future is about as bright as it can get?
This was a really poor tournament for Italy, Portugal, Belgium and France I’d say - and bitterly disappointing for Scotland and Germany. I wouldn’t say it was bad for Holland, Georgia or England. Those teams look like they can build.
I’d bet the mortgage on this ending up one of the weaker starting 11s Bellingham plays in for his England tournament career, let’s just say that. |
Pikazilla
07.14.24 | Georgia was cooking this tournament
I certainly didn't expect them to do as well as they did
Holland I always feel bad for because they make deep runs and lose |
Pikazilla
07.14.24 | And yeah, with the young talent we've got coming in, I feel that we might become actual title contenders in the future as opposed to our usual 'dark horse to make it to the quarters' stigma |
bighubbabuddha
07.14.24 | Reaching a successive Euros final is a great achievement for English football. We need to retire Trippier, Walker and Kane (also move on Maguire, Guehi is a far superior option) but the majority of our squad are young and will continue to improve in time for the WC. We just need Southgate to see out his contract to December and to bring in someone with tactical nous. Klopp would be the dream |
garas
07.14.24 | Oh I get it now! Thanks Doof. |
Egarran
07.14.24 | >Bad year for English football
>future is about as bright as it can get?
I feel these are not mutually exclusive. |
facupm
07.14.24 | Spain easily the best team of the tournament
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Pikazilla
07.14.24 | who was the second-best team of the tournament though |
DDDeftoneDDD
07.14.24 | Germany |
Voivod
07.15.24 | Before the final, I anticipated a 3-1 score, 2-1 is fair enough.
England tried to steal the tournament in the most half-assed way possible, but historically it lacks the talent and temerity Mediterranean teams like Spain, Italy and Greece have shown over the years.
Which brings me to my final point.
The 2004 tournament was mediocre? Some folks need to learn their soccer, especially those whose country invented the game.
What are we gonna say next? That the 1992 tournament was mediocre because Denmark assembled its roster on the fly, from the beaches?
Second best team in the tournament: The Netherlands, hands down. |
DoofDoof
07.15.24 | You used the term soccer: argument invalid |
Voivod
07.15.24 | This is a US site, a distinction needs to be made. |
Nikkolae
07.15.24 | lmao no |
Egarran
07.15.24 | >That the 1992 tournament was mediocre because Denmark assembled its roster on the fly, from the beaches?
Yes, gameplay-wise this would be correct. |
bighubbabuddha
07.15.24 | The Netherlands were outplayed by Austria and England and were lifeless against France
Spain and Germany were the best sides in terms of style of play/performances
Austria were the best in the groups |
Voivod
07.15.24 | -- Yes, gameplay-wise this would be correct.
gameplay-wise, this would be correct, if uefa hadn't sent word for Denmark to compete at all, because as it turned out, there was at least one national team better than the entire tournament at that time. |
facupm
07.15.24 | spain, the world champion awaits for you at the finalissima 2025 |
facupm
07.15.24 | 2nd best team on the European Cup easily Germany, they really had it on the extratime |
Egarran
07.15.24 | >as it turned out, there was at least one national team better than the entire tournament at that time.
Me no understand. |
Voivod
07.15.24 | ^^If Denmark hadn’t participated, then the 1992 Euro would truly be a mediocre one, imho |
Egarran
07.15.24 | Ah yes, agreed. How would you rate this one? Like 6/10 for me, trying to be objective. Spain really saved it. |
Voivod
07.15.24 | I would put a 7/10 due to the drive of several "second tier" national teams, which are definitely on the rise, to rival traditional powerhouses, which save for Spain, are in decline. |
facupm
07.15.24 | gotta admit spains way to the title here was epic, defeating all european world champs on the way -except themselves obviously-
me, as a south american guy, liked this edition much more than the last two
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zakalwe
07.15.24 | Should have a South American/ European League of Nations type thing restricted to about 20 teams.
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Pikazilla
07.15.24 | just don't let man c in |
zakalwe
07.15.24 | International only |
facupm
07.16.24 | just a WC with 32 teams was perfect |
Kusangii
07.16.24 | Spain is probably gonna repeat what they did 08-10. Just don't see any team beating them if they can hold this form, except maybe Argentina |
bighubbabuddha
07.16.24 | Spain have an age problem. Morata will be 33 next WC, Joselu 35 their 2nd Striker is retiring internationally. Carvajal will be 34 at WC and Navas 39 is retiring internationally. Laporte will be 33 at WC so probably be okay but the Saudi league isn't great but Nacho will have retired internationally. They may have people coming through but it is a concern for them |
bighubbabuddha
07.16.24 | Argentina are favourites for me even if Messi retires. Huge keeper who saves pens, best CB partnership in international football with Martinez and Romero, balanced skilful midfield, unbelievable striker in Lautaro Martínez and they have one of the best young wingers in world football in Garnacho developing.
Germany and England have the most potential with the age profiles of their players
France with a better manager and yeah Spain
Netherlands if they have Frenkie De Jong and Koopmeiners fit also a different side than the one we saw in Euros |
facupm
07.16.24 | man if Argentina repeats WC title will be prob remembered as the best national team ever |
facupm
07.16.24 | Di María cuold play next WC if he wanted :( |
zakalwe
07.16.24 | England get Klopp at the reigns we win it.
Anybody else, shite. |
Voivod
07.16.24 | ^^Or Guardiola.
English soccer needs to finally take heed of the huge advancements of its Latin (American) counterparts.
Granted, with managers such as Klopp and Guardiola, Premier League has become infinitely more attractive abroad, but the national team has been left behind. |
zakalwe
07.16.24 | The fuck is soccer? |
gabba
07.17.24 | People running around wearing socks. |
anarchistfish
07.17.24 | Mask off moment for the Argentinians |
bighubbabuddha
07.17.24 | Klopp will have a year off then take over at Real Madrid when Ancelotti contract ends |
facupm
07.17.24 | imo, klopp suits better than guardiola for this england team
i kinda believe the defenders (Walker, Stones, Guehi, etc.) and the keeper are massively overrated |
