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| tec’s THE NATIONAL, Ranked
Quite possibly my favorite band. Though that can be neither confirmed or denied with any level of certainty. No EPs for this ranking, because I said so! | 8 | | The National The National
Overall Score | 2.82 | 🌕🌕🌕🌑🌑
🥇 Beautiful Head
🥈 American Mary
🥉 Theory of the Crows
It ain’t bad, but it’s relatively unexceptional by any metric, and given the quality (and quantity) of everything in The National’s discography henceforth, it’s difficult to make a conscious decision to listen to it. SAD SONGS was a precursor to ALLIGATOR, and this is a precursor to SAD SONGS that suffers a bit from both underproduction and juvenilia. Not the bucket of shit that many people would have you believe, but it doesn’t do much to distinguish itself amid The National’s catalog. Their PABLO HONEY in many ways. (Its better than PABLO HONEY, to be sure.) | 7 | | The National Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers
Overall Score | 3.25 | 🌕🌕🌕🌗🌑
🥇 Murder Me Rachel
🥈 90-Mile Water Wall
🥉 Lucky You
Very hard to hear this now and appraise it as anything other than a dry run for ALLIGATOR, but as far as rough drafts go, it’s still pretty damn good, and a healthy step up from their full-length debut. It just feels too tame in comparison to the extremes at which they’d eventually settle on later albums, but my playlists are still sprinkled with its highlights (the three noted above, as well as “Cardinal Song”, “Slipping Husband”, “It Never Happened”, and “Available”). Actually, it’s a remarkably consistent record, but the level of consistency peaks at “really good”, never once brushing elbows with true greatness. That’s more than you can say about a lot of sophomoric efforts, though. | 6 | | The National I Am Easy to Find
Overall Score | 3.32 | 🌕🌕🌕🌗🌑
🥇 Rylan
🥈 Quiet Light
🥉 I Am Easy to Find
Don’t hate this as so many others do, but acknowledge that it is nevertheless severely flawed; too recursive, too conceptually overbearing, and too damn long. Thing is, you could whittle this down to a pretty great nine or ten track album. The interludes are useless, and songs like “You Had Your Soul with You”, “Roman Holiday”, “The Pull of You”, and “Dust Swirls in Strange Light” have no business being here. “Rylan” and “Quiet Light” are the two most reminiscent of The National we’ve all come to know and love, but even the painterly pop-art grooves of e.g. “Where Is Her Head” and “Oblivions” are welcomed, and softer ballads like “I Am Easy to Find” and “Light Years” strike a new type of nerve. Bloated, but good. | 5 | | The National Sleep Well Beast
Overall Score | 4.00 | 🌕🌕🌕🌕🌑
🥇 Guilty Party
🥈 Day I Die
🥉 The System Only Dreams in Total Darkness
I’d call this a “grower-not-a-shower” but as that could be said about nearly *every* National album, I’ll refrain. I must admit to my initial disappointment with the record, though, especially on the coattails of what I’d consider an all time favorite—the indietronica vibes frightened me, for I’d die before I saw my favorite band travel down the same self-sabotaging path of nauseating electric amalgamation as formerly great artists like Bon Iver and Sufjan Stevens. (Only sort of joking/exaggerating, but the “comfort food” trumps the experimentalism in each case.) But the more I’ve listened to this, the more it peels its layers back and reveals that it really is just another exceptional National album, albeit one adorned with unconventional, modernistic grace notes. | 4 | | The National Alligator
Overall Score | 4.33 | 🌕🌕🌕🌕🌗
🥇 Secret Meeting
🥈 The Geese of Beverly Road
🥉 Baby, We’ll Be Fine
At one point, my favorite National album. Maybe because it was the first I’d ever heard by them. Or maybe because younger-me couldn’t believe how perfectly the rough edges and tattered exterior mirrored the content therein—an inescapable descent into middle-aged insecurity and lifelong ennui. I recognize its blemishes more readily these days and tend to favor the tighter composition and formalism to which they shifted over the subsequent decade. But there’s a certain charm - an ugly sort of elegance - to this raggedy, ramshackle breakthrough. My hottest take: “Baby, We’ll Be Fine” is one of the album’s best. | 3 | | The National High Violet
Overall Score | 4.57 | 🌕🌕🌕🌕🌗
🥇 Sorrow
🥈 Bloodbuzz Ohio
🥉 Lemonworld
I’ve always thought the cover art between this and TROUBLE WILL FIND ME were perfect; in many ways they feel like spiritual companions pieces - that album more macabre and monochromatic in tone; this one a loftier, more colorful and vibrant sonic precursor (though make no mistake, this album is plenty dreary from a lyrical perspective). This marks a notable shift in The National’s sound from embellished indie-rock and post-punk revival to a more finely orchestrated and energetic incantation of depressive chamber music. It maintains that “disillusioned-with-the-world” attitude that has become a staple of their oeuvre, though. | 2 | | The National Boxer
Overall Score | 4.67 | 🌕🌕🌕🌕🌗
🥇 Brainy
🥈 Fake Empire
🥉 Slow Show
This appears to be the most immediate National album to most, and yet throughout the years it has proven to be the biggest grower for me. Never disliked it, by any means, but it wasn’t until last year or so that it *really* sunk its hooks into me. It feels now like the perfect intersection between the rustic indie-angst of ALLIGATOR and the soft and delicate lamenting of HIGH VIOLET. My biggest complaint is that it isn’t the most consistent album out there e.g. tracks like “Squalor Victoria”, “Racing Like a Pro”, and “Ada” underwhelm in context. But the highs are incredibly, impossibly high, and a couple short dips are a small price to pay for extreme bliss elsewhere. “Brainy” might be my all-time favorite National track. | 1 | | The National Trouble Will Find Me
Overall Score | 4.88 | 🌕🌕🌕🌕🌕
🥇 I Should Live in Salt
🥈 Hard to Find
🥉 Graceless
The most encompassing and comprehensive demonstration of The National’s overall sound. Admittedly a bit sprawling, and perhaps a little messy upon first glance, but I always feel like this is “the album” they had been building up to with each preceding effort. Beautifully chamber-esque, but also intimately pared-down; ostensibly simple and approachable, but deceivingly layered with depth and nuance. Wrapped in tender bookends and bursting with the sort of sad-dad brunchcore energy that speaks deeply to my soul. This is to The National what Tindersticks’ debut is to them. A monument. | |
tectactoe
03.01.21 | Everyone’s favorite sad bois. (Okay maybe not....but they’re every sad boi’s favorite sad bois.) | Zorg
03.01.21 | I'd swap High Violet and Trouble Will Find Me. | Sinternet
03.01.21 | no. | zakalwe
03.01.21 | Good effort this tec | tectactoe
03.01.21 | I dig it, Zorg.
Very compelling argument, sint.
Zak - ty bb ❤️ | Sunnyvale
03.01.21 | Great list!
My ranking would probably be 2, 4, 3, 1, 5, 7, 6, 8, although the top three can vary in any order depending on the day | Pangea
03.01.21 | "My hottest take: “Baby, We’ll Be Fine” is one of the album’s best."
a hot, but correct take. good list! | DoofDoof
03.01.21 | Correct top 3 in the correct order ! | Gyromania
03.01.21 | huge props for including baby we'll be fine in your top 3 for alligator. fake empire as well (first national song i heard and still think it's top 10). actually, most of these picks for tracks/album rankings are solid. i should live in salt is underrated af but this is the last time is still my favourite from that album. sleep well beast is still one of the dullest albums i listened to last decade, but besides that mostly in agreement | Winesburgohio
03.01.21 | L O V E Y O U | Winesburgohio
03.01.21 | Weirdly, increasingly, I'm not a fan of Alligator besides a few choice cuts. Veers too close to capital venture indie rock for me | tectactoe
03.02.21 | Thanks everyone. Glad to see the “Baby We’ll Be Fine” love for once. Super underrated track.
Cheers, Doof! This is hope that maybe one day our Tindersticks rankings will align as well ;-)
Wines - if there’s one album that has fallen off rather than grow, it’s that one for me as well, though not to the same extent evidently. I am sort of a glutton for ubiquity 🤷🏼♂️ 😉 | ian b
03.02.21 | not a big fan of Alligator for some reason, also the remastered version of Sad Songs is fuckin great, so at this point i think i might actually prefer that to Alligator lol. Available is a top 3 song | JohnnyoftheWell
03.02.21 | gonna read this properly in a mo, but the shape of this is p much perfect. IAETF is too high, otherwise nice nice
Available is a fairly embarassing Interpol-gone-incel cringe tbqh | ian b
03.02.21 | "Available is a fairly embarrassing Interpol-gone-incel cringe"
so just Interpol cringe? lol | EyesWideShut
03.02.21 | Major props for loving Brainy, such a good tune. Kinda under the radar too.
But High Violet is number 1 Sir | JohnnyoftheWell
03.02.21 | "Veers too close to capital venture indie rock for me"
lol for real. thoughts:
>top 3 from Sad Songs are very much the top 3, albeit in reverse order
>"pop-art" fuck me. agreed that Where Is Her Head/Oblivions are a breath of fresh air on that stale, stale album
>"it really is just another [...] National album" most defs. your blurb from this is p much on point, but your top 2 are a headscratcher. Destroy You and the opener are pretty much the only tracks I return to now, but SWB is great for what it is: the National making another album and changing their palette a lil bit
>"This marks a notable shift in The National’s sound from embellished indie-rock and post-punk revival to a more finely orchestrated and energetic incantation of depressive chamber music" would consider this a halfway point in that transition; I think the post-punk elements are just as prominent on that one. nice picks.
>Brainy is v much the woke best Nat track. Hot take Squalor Victoria and Racing Like a Pro are both severely underrated, esp the latter, but Ada is as close to a weak link as Boxer has. I think in many ways it's their most colourful album, which gives it a certain amount of leeway as far as consistency is concerned in my book
>"but I always feel like this is “the album” they had been building up to with each preceding effort" yeah for real. TWFM was the album TN were always meant to make. pity it has a couple of duds, but it's a tossup between that and Boxer for their masterpiece
| Winesburgohio
03.02.21 | Brainy is best | ian b
03.02.21 | brainy is goat'd indeed | chemicalmarriage
03.02.21 | Pretty good list
Pink rabbits and city middle are tops for me | Rowan5215
03.02.21 | not bad. Alligator too low and lol @ I Should Live in Salt's medal (do people actually like that song?)
do Nick Cave next pls | YoYoMancuso
03.02.21 | Alligator is my favorite album of all time so this ranking has me WORKED UP but props for recognizing Hard To Find as one of their best | Rowan5215
03.02.21 | not my favourite oat but best National by a hop skip n a jump agreed | MyNameIsPencil
03.02.21 | i always have to shove boxer and alligator in a cage together so they can fight it out to figure out which one i like better
only for the winner to get slapped around by trouble will find me so what im trying to say is 10/10 ranking | ian b
03.02.21 | where would Cherry Tree rank among this for you guys? | Winesburgohio
03.02.21 | Highly. Very highly | JohnnyoftheWell
03.02.21 | forget the last two tracks (who doesn't) and Cherry Tree is probs one higher than Alligator but not in their holy trin | fogza
03.02.21 | I'd go with Boxer, Alligator, High Violet, Sad Songs, Trouble. There might be one or two songs off the remainder that I'd listen to, but mostly I don't care for their late era work. | ian b
03.02.21 | TWFM > Boxer > Sleep Well, Beast > Alligator > Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers > High Violet ~~ Cherry Tree > I Am Easy to Find > Self Titled
tear me apart | MillionDead
03.02.21 | How do you not know that Mistaken for Strangers is the best tune on Boxer? | Pheromone
03.02.21 | i like baby we'll be fine a LOT but where the bloody hell is city middle UH | fogza
03.02.21 | "where would Cherry Tree rank among this for you guys?"
I probably listen to Cherry Tree and Virginia EP more than HV. | ian b
03.02.21 | same fogza | ian b
03.02.21 | “ How do you not know that Mistaken for Strangers is the best tune on Boxer?” THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE ONE. | fogza
03.02.21 | Squalor Victoria is the best track to drive through a mountain tunnel to, according to my wife. | ian b
03.02.21 | she wouldn't be entirely wrong tbh, top 3-5 song on there imo | fogza
03.02.21 | It's difficult to rate the tracks on Boxer as the first 7 are pretty much flawless and just flow perfectly into each other, and then Gospel is in the mix right at the end. But I guess there will always be something special about Fake Empire for me, it sounds like magic and alchemy that I can't explain. | tectactoe
03.02.21 | 'not bad. Alligator too low and lol @ I Should Live in Salt's medal (do people actually like that song?)'
Dude c'mon, "Salt" is literally a perfectly conceived opener and segue into the rest of that depressing, amazing album.
'do Nick Cave next pls'
Maybe eventually. Admittedly not the biggest fan (*gulp*) so I've been putting off a lot of the albums I haven't heard yet. But it's been a while so maybe if I redo the entire discog, I'd be more receptive this time around.
'props for recognizing Hard To Find as one of their best'
God bless!
'where would Cherry Tree rank among this for you guys?'
Pretty high. Great EP. Not sure I could consciously rank it above ALLIGATOR, though.
@ian - honestly not a bad ranking at all aside from HV being suspiciously low. Otherwise I fuck with it. | tectactoe
03.02.21 | @Johnny - thanks for the comments as always. Out of curiosity, what are the 'couple duds' on TROUBLE WILL FIND ME? I'm going to assume "Fireproof", "Heavenfaced", and "Slipped". I love 'em, but something tells me that you don't.
I would agree that "Fireproof" is among the album's weakest, only rivaled by "I Need My Girl". Mostly contextual, though, because in a vacuum I still really really love those tracks. | JohnnyoftheWell
03.02.21 | Fireproof and I Need My Girl are the duds for me, and I've never loved Humiliation (though I can defs appreciate it good deal - sound stuff). Slipped is epic and beautiful and an easy A-tier pick imo, love love love
fun fact, I am actively embarrassed by how much time I have for Heavenfaced. originally bonded with that alb during a 2 week period of unidays depressed spaceout where I listened to nothing but TN, Cocteau Twins and enough Crystal Castles to get me out of bed, and that track has a special place in my heart for being the most generously mopey slouch going at the time. beautiful scenes | Pangea
03.02.21 | fireproof and heavenfaced are the slight duds of touble | Demon of the Fall
03.02.21 | Ooh I like the look of this tect, the score formatting and the track medals are visually satisfying.
I’ll give this a proper read through in a bit. | Demon of the Fall
03.02.21 | I might finally listen to the first 2, for context etc. Their albums are such growers (not an original point) that it’s taken me forever to get through their discog. I still view it as ‘in progress’ (SWB still alludes me somewhat). I’m convinced IAETF is a misstep, so not including that one. | fogza
03.02.21 | I've never understood that, like if you like Boxer, I can't get how someone wouldn't like it the first time they hear it. It took nothing at all for that album to win me over (and to be fair, it was the same with Alligator). | Pheromone
03.02.21 | ok so i will preface this by saying i love the national (boxer & alligator & cherry) but,,, their formula stales super fast with me. by the time i got to high violet i was kinda sick of it.
same(ish) with someone like spoon | fogza
03.02.21 | I can kind of see that Phero. I'm not sure now if it was the formula getting old for me, or a decline in quality, although I think it's the latter. I feel like Spoon had one dip album, but I still think they're putting out solid 3.5's / 4's for the most part. | Pheromone
03.02.21 | yeah i do totally prefer spoon to the national in a big twist of oh god hot take but both kind of remind me of eachother for some reason | fogza
03.02.21 | I would never have agreed with you in 2007, but yeah, National's best is better, but Spoon have a better discography. | Pheromone
03.02.21 | hell yeah completely agree
let's snog | Demon of the Fall
03.02.21 | Which album are you on about with ‘if you like Boxer’ fogza? | fogza
03.02.21 | let's spoon rather | Pheromone
03.02.21 | nice | fogza
03.02.21 | DOTF, I just meant that Boxer never felt like a grower to me. Like if you end up liking it, I can't understand how you couldn't like it immediately. If that makes sense. | Demon of the Fall
03.02.21 | Ah right the growing thing. I guess just because something grows on you, doesn’t mean you can’t also like it straight away. Levels. | alamo
03.02.21 | you get mistaken for strangers by your own friends | Pheromone
03.02.21 | i ballerina on the coffee table cock in hand | JohnnyoftheWell
03.02.21 | i'm going thru an awkward phase | fogza
03.02.21 | Darling, can you tie my string? | EyesWideShut
03.02.21 | Pink Rabbits bring the feels | Demon of the Fall
03.02.21 | I’m always one album behind with these guys I swear. By the time I’m a ‘Trouble‘ truther y’all will have moved on and be hailing SWB as their masterpiece.
(I realise most of you aren’t there yet, tect/doof must just be pioneers or something.
Hang on what’s Boney’s fave? | TheSpaceMan
03.03.21 | @tyler | Tyler.
03.03.21 | i dont understand why people listen to this "band" find some actual music jfc | Rowan5215
03.03.21 | "Dude c'mon, "Salt" is literally a perfectly conceived opener and segue into the rest of that depressing, amazing album."
well... I agree it's a perfect opener to TWFM. because it's clumsy and insanely melodically repetitive, like a significant chunk of that album to my ears
honestly, if I found out Salt, Heavenfaced and I Need My Girl were written when Matt Berninger was 14 I would not be in the least bit surprised | fogza
03.03.21 | Harsh but fair. | JohnnyoftheWell
03.03.21 | i
can't
stop
partying | tectactoe
03.03.21 | ‘ I’m always one album behind with these guys I swear. By the time I’m a ‘Trouble‘ truther y’all will have moved on and be hailing SWB as their masterpiece.’
If anything were to usurp TWFM as my personal favorite, it’d be BOXER. And even then, I don’t see that happening. TWFM just cuts way too deep for me. SWB is definitely a little overlooked, though, and while I still rank it outside their ubiquitous Rushmore of Great Albums, it deserves to be in the conversation. | Clumseee
03.03.21 | this is my exact ranking nice to meet me | tectactoe
03.03.21 | What a king 👑 🙏🏼 | theBoneyKing
03.05.21 | Good assessments here, you are very much undervaluing Sad Songs though (understandable, I did for a long time as well). | chemicalmarriage
03.05.21 | "honestly, if I found out Salt, Heavenfaced and I Need My Girl were written when Matt Berninger was 14 I would not be in the least bit surprised"
LMAO | Itwasthatwas
03.06.21 | Everything after High Violet is a 1.5 at best and I never listened to anything before Alligator. But alligator - boxer - high violet is like 4.5 - 5 - 4.5 so at least they have that run | theBoneyKing
03.06.21 | Idk how it’s possible to like Alligator through HV that much and also dislike TWFM and SWB that much :-/ | Parallels
03.06.21 | I don't think I could hear another song from this band without incurring a cerebral hemmorrage | Slugboiiii
03.09.21 | TWFM never clicked with me as much as Boxer and HV. Graceless is top 5 National though | tectactoe
03.09.21 | @Boney possibly undervaluing SAD SONGS, but honestly would you personally be able to rank it higher than anything fro ALLIGATOR through SWB? Possibly IAETF, but maybe that’s it. | Pikazilla
03.09.21 | 7 is underrated by everyone it seems |
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