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Last Active 02-27-21 6:12 pm
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Cygnatti 07.26.20	Pog
Slex 07.26.20	Lmao Cyg gonna humble the whole fucking site I'm down for some tonite tho if y'all are
ChoccyPhilly 07.26.20	What do you mean this isn't a thread where we wank each other off on zoom?? False advertising smh
evilford 07.26.20	Disappointed
Clumseee 07.26.20	Yo where do you get a switch now ffs
Colton 07.26.20	This thread is whatever you want it to be Choc And damn are they still hard to get? Thought that was only an issue when they launched
Cygnatti 07.27.20	They are indeed hard to get. I see them being sold upwards of $450 still on like amazon or whatever. Also my switch fc is 6814 4179 5510
Cygnatti 07.27.20	Gonna aim to make a room at like 9:30 or 9:45 est
Atari 07.27.20	Cyg, I fought you in smash a few years ago and I truly can’t recall another instance where I’ve had my ass handed to me that badly in a video game, lol
Slex 07.27.20	I'm totally in for tonite Cyg, I'll add ya as a friend
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	"And damn are they still hard to get? Thought that was only an issue when they launched" Covid bruh
Colton 07.27.20	Sounds good Cyg adding you now. and yeah true Pots I didn't think it would be that much of a factor though
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	Nintendo has been absolutely cleaning up through covid. Huge factor in the success of new animal crossing and why Nintendo cant keep up with demand for switch and switch lite right now. People quarantined, off work, isolating, social distancing etc, naturally gaming is going to be more in demand
Colton 07.27.20	I didn't really understand all the hype about AC being a perfect quarantine game cause during quarantine everyone has a ton of free time but there's only like an hour of content per day in AC
Cygnatti 07.27.20	Actually bout to make a room in a bit since I got things done early
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	True but when else is everyone gonna be able to log in every single day so consistently Plus we all know everyone cheats and changes the system date
Cygnatti 07.27.20	J96NM / 55 come join whenever, fellas.
Colton 07.27.20	reachin
Colton 07.27.20	damn that was an awesome game ggs
Uzumaki 07.27.20	I’ll throw my code in soon. Traveling rn.
Cygnatti 07.27.20	lmao gg dude
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	do you guys say "gg" irl instead of "good game"?
Colton 07.27.20	reach the arena pots
Cygnatti 07.27.20	at first? no. but these days? yes.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	see you just know someone who says "gg" irl is gonna fucking wreck you at smash
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	"reach the arena pots" i probably will one of these days once i brush off the rust. i'm anticipating being the worst of you all so i need to at least get my sea legs back before i face that humiliation
Cygnatti 07.27.20	actually, you might be right about that lmao.
wutang4ever 07.27.20	Smash thread without Offspring? I'm depressed...
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	ew
wutang4ever 07.27.20	ikr thats what i'm sayin
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	lol uh ya me too........
Slex 07.27.20	Smh something came up so I'm out for tonite but y'all have fun getting annihilated by Cyg
Colton 07.27.20	Gotta go eat some food now but ggs, if you're still on later I might be on
Cygnatti 07.27.20	ggs cole, i might be up later
nolerthebowler 07.27.20	Nice I’ll hop in this thread n save it for later. Sorry I couldn’t join today
GreyShadow 07.27.20	ughh i hate this game (and yet now im watching goml) but i'll play with some of ya'll when i dont feel like hating it my Greninja was doing decent in the first year of this game, almost made it out of pools for the C-tiers i went to (decent for me) but then I fell off/stopped caring
Cygnatti 07.27.20	almost making out of C tier pools is pretty good dude
GreyShadow 07.27.20	I wish I made it out so I could at least say I did that once but alas! I miss competing but not enough to actually start practicing again. The frog is so fun in this game
GreyShadow 07.27.20	I played far more Rivals of Aether this year, not that I actually practice but wow, what a game. highly recommend to everyone here, I've never felt so in control of a fighting game character movement-wise
hogan900 07.27.20	Damn mad af I didn’t see this but would be down to play another time! I peaked making it out of shine pools and finishing 7-2 (as a solo little Mac player). I now play mostly only shoto’s, duck hunt, and chrom now but it’s hype to see some sput love for smash.
GreyShadow 07.27.20	hogan, in ult??? that's pretty wild, good shit despite me despising little mac in this game last time i went to a local i lost to a dude who went incin game 1, plant game 2, and mac 3. fucked up his incin, got cheesed by plant, and had absolutely no idea what to do against little mac lmao
GreyShadow 07.27.20	Chrom is so fun in this game, i played him a lot early game. i'd only ever try to play this game solo greninja again (unless we finally get Sora which would probably reignite some passion for me) Zelda, Ridley, and Joker are probably my other most played and Wolf's easy so I like him too lol
hogan900 07.27.20	Yeah I had a really good run against some fairly well known players. Was never on stream aside from melee crews where I got bodied by hax$ puff vs fox haha. Little Mac is low tier but still pretty scary to play against, HES still my best despite Ken being a bit more refined. Idk if you know Juice but I play friendlies with him quite a bit, one of the most disgusting greninjas ever.
GreyShadow 07.27.20	didn't he play Falco?
hogan900 07.27.20	Yes, prob the best falco in the world if he went to more stuff. His ZSS still his best character, but he doesn’t like her :/
Colton 07.27.20	You guys are probably better than me if you actually go to tournaments. I’m just tryna be a wifi warrior.
GreyShadow 07.27.20	damn, and Falco's actually good now. I heard Larry's picking him back up so that'll be cool to see one day Tweek's Diddy is wild and i wanted to just play Zelda on wifi when this whole quarantine started but even i start to hate it after a while lol
Cygnatti 07.27.20	Juice is gdlk, @hogan, you should see me. I love falco but he's not so great on wifi I find and he still has a lot of issues. The buffs were so important tho.
hogan900 07.27.20	Who do u play cyg? I’m not much of a WiFi warrior but I do have lan adapter and what not. When I was entering online tourneys
hogan900 07.27.20	https://youtu.be/rGAGdzOMAjY Also if anyone wants to see the last set I played vs. juice, it’s insanely embarrassing. Ignore tag I lost a bet haha
Cygnatti 07.27.20	I main bayo on wifi. I'm pretty good at wifi too, but not super amazing.
Colton 07.27.20	Your Marth isn’t even your main? Oh god...
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	damn you nerds have different characters depending on the fucking type of network ur using? yeah ima get raped
Colton 07.27.20	as long as you're self aware about your skill level it's all good. If anything it'll just make you an underdog which will make it hype any time you land anything
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.27.20	ive played smash online approximately zero times
Cygnatti 07.28.20	Bayo is just the most fun character for me, but she also sucks, so i gotta play other characters when I actually really need to win (like offline). That's all lol.
Colton 07.28.20	She got buffed in 8.0 right? Also what's the proper way to DI out of her combos? It's hard dealing with them as Bowser
nolerthebowler 07.28.20	Who’s down for tomorrow evening
Colton 07.28.20	I’m down
hogan900 07.28.20	@cyg i tried getting into bayo a few weeks ago as Insomniac (Jersey Based Bayo) wiped me in losers semi's at a local. She seems extremely fun but man im not used to any of the stuff she can do in this game compared to 4. Getting laddered in some of the craziest ways, didnt know the patch buffed her that well tbh as I normally did well against the other philly bayo that showed up who is also pretty good.
Ninjahague 07.28.20	woah iill play smash w anyone here
Cygnatti 07.28.20	she got big buffs, but her neutral and ability to kill are still bad. otherwise, she's kinda gooood now. @coleT, generally bowser shouldn't be dying from bayo combos like ever, but he basically cannot get out of them, he's just way to big and heavy.
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	Smassssh I guess I play as Ice Climbers a lot
nolerthebowler 07.28.20	I’ll set something up around 6:30 for us
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	Ars playing as ice climbers is the most ars thing I've heard all day
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	They're goofy, have a unique style, and aren't anywhere near bottom tier (mid-tier usually, except in Brawl where they were bad) I also like Greninja, Peach, Ness, and King Dedede, but Ice Climbers has become my main
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	Oh my god
Keyblade 07.28.20	oh nice i'm down to smash, pause
Cygnatti 07.28.20	Unpause tbh
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	Game needs more hammer wielders, 3 is so few and Kirby only sort of counts, so it's really just 2
Keyblade 07.28.20	I agree with Grey that my interest for this fell off over the last year. I couldn't put it down at one point, idk what happened. now I just play more traditional fighting games like street fighter more
Colton 07.28.20	Sounds good Noler And I respect Ice Climbers mains they’re not an easy character
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	Re hammer users: wish we could have had axe wielding hector instead of fire emblem sword clone #456 also I'm betting for the big anniversary there will be a new mario character in this next batch of dlc and I honestly really hope it ISNT waluigi.
Colton 07.28.20	3.8% of the roster wields a hammer, I'd say that's pretty fair given how the rarity of hammers as weapons
nolerthebowler 07.28.20	@pots: geno lol. What if
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	yeah getting geno would be legendary but it'll probably be the fucking mayor of new donk city instead
Keyblade 07.28.20	on the one hand, it's crazy that waluigi isn't in smash but on the other I also don't want to see him because of all the annoying reddit-tier memes
Colton 07.28.20	it's gonna be Pink Gold Peach from Mario Kart 8
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	tryna think of mario characters left that i actually would want to play as nabbit could be cool
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	"on the one hand, it's crazy that waluigi isn't in smash but on the other I also don't want to see him because of all the annoying reddit-tier memes" i just don't because he's just gonna be a janky ass luigi and lugi is already a janky ass mario who already has his janky ass upside-downer wario. there's just nothing they could really do with the character to make him have an exciting move set. like what, you gonna give him a tennis racket?
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	"tryna think of mario characters left that i actually would want to play as" Professor E. Gadd
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	no thanks
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	But seriously, no new Mario characters They need to start adding more Sonic characters honestly, at least Eggman and Tails, I mean they're iconic, right? Oh and Aiai from Monkey Ball because he'd be unique as hell
Colton 07.28.20	Mario, Luigi and Wario aren't really that similar tbh
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	Or Rayman Why isn't Rayman in the game yet? Rabbids have had crossovers with Mario
Colton 07.28.20	and Ars they need to just redesign Sonic himself, character is horribly designed
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	Wario plays nothing like Mario, yeah Luigi used to be like Mario, but they slowly started to differ a lot, especially since Mario got fludd in Brawl.
Cygnatti 07.28.20	No more mario characters pls
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	Of course they aren't identical but Luigi and Wario are both just variations of the exact same stumpy ass italian with jankier mechanics. Especially Luigi, saying he's nothing like mario is fuckin jokes.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	Wario is a lot different compared to Luigi granted but he's also fucking horrible and we don't need a horrible aborted version of Luigi now too
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	Look wise all 3 are similar and play wise Mario and Luigi have similiarities, yeah I mean I don't want Waluigi ever, he's the most boring of the 4 and was only created so Wario could have a tennis partner, how boring is that, like at least Wario was created as a legit villain
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	also agreed that sonic is the absolute worst would not be keen to see rayman if they added a new sonic character id rather it be knuckles than tails tbh but even so not really keen on more sonic characters either
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	Wario has so much potential if they patch him, I don't know why they delibrately make him so bad in all of the games when his moves look so fun The worst part: Ultimate is the best he's ever been and he still sucks
Colton 07.28.20	Your takes here are pretty off here Pots ngl Luigi is very different than Mario outside of like 3 moves. and Wario is not horrible he's one of the best characters in the game lol
Colton 07.28.20	Esam even says Wario is top 5
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	"Luigi is very different than Mario outside of like 3 moves." lol bruh. ur cute. and wario is aids
Colton 07.28.20	me being cute is unrelated
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	Knuckles was already sent to assis trophy pergatory, so you'd probably have to wait until the next entire installment for him I remember that I used to love playing as Tails in Sonic games, so I kinda really want him just for the nostalgia alone, plus he could have a good mix of moves that are half Sonic half Samus, but with a good glide recover. And yeah Sonic needs to be completely reworked, he has too many homing attacks and hardly any move variety
Colton 07.28.20	any pro player will tell you Wario is high tier if not top tier that's all I'm saying
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	dude i don't care what tier nerds ive never heard of rank smash characters in, if i don't enjoy playing as them they suck in my books
Colton 07.28.20	oh if you're ranking them based on how fun they are to play then that's obviously a whole different thing lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	you could tell me wario was an omega alpha male 3000 class and he'd still be one of the worst characters in the game por moi
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	Isn't Peach the best in Ultimate... if I recall correctly: 64: Pikachu Melee: Fox Brawl: Meta Knight (beyond broken) Sm4sh: Bayonetta Ultimate: Peach
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	well ya of course i mean in terms of my own enjoyment and skill with them
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	is there a single person on the planet that likes sonic btw
Colton 07.28.20	there's no consensus best character Ars but most people would say Joker, Pikachu, Peach, Wolf or Lucina probably
widowslaugh123 07.28.20	Yeah Me
Colton 07.28.20	nobody likes Sonic. the top Sonic player in the world has stated he doesn't have fun when he plays lmao
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	damn
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	also wish theyd make megaman fun ffs
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.28.20	he's such a fuckin derp
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	In Smash? No, he's awful I don't even mind that he's so fast that he's hard to control, at least that's canon, but his moveset is so fucking boring, which makes no sense because he has so many cool ideas to draw from from his game. Like why doesn't he have a light dash move? It could work like Pac-Man's side B where a couple of rings are laid out and he dashes into them causing damage or something
Colton 07.28.20	yeah Mega Man is super lame, not as lame as Samus or Mii Gunner though. Banjo can also be super lame but he can also be cool. Like Noler's banjo is fine cause he doesn't just run away and spam projectiles the whole time, but tons of people online do
widowslaugh123 07.28.20	I always thought Roy was the main dude on Brawl
Keyblade 07.28.20	played smash online for a bit and remember why I lost interest. ppl on there are so annoying and that millisecond of lag fucks u up so u can't even deal with it properly lol
ArsMoriendi 07.28.20	"I always thought Roy was the main dude on Brawl" Roy isn't in Brawl
nolerthebowler 07.28.20	I’m gonna start the arena in like 1 minutes I’ll post it in here, anyone can join
Slex 07.28.20	I'm in
Colton 07.28.20	Same
Slex 07.28.20	Dunno how long I'll b able to stay tho unfortunately
nolerthebowler 07.28.20	10 minutes I meant lol
Slex 07.28.20	Oh yeah I probably will have to wait for another time then lol
nolerthebowler 07.28.20	ID: JS64W Password: 87 Come smash, bros
nolerthebowler 07.28.20	@slex it’s up now
Slex 07.28.20	Might make a match or two I'm coming!
Slex 07.28.20	Was swell to get my ass whooped right quick, good luck y'all
Colton 07.29.20	Ggs slex
Keyblade 07.29.20	up b God living up to their name jheez
Slex 07.29.20	Ye gg cole
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	Isnt being an up b god kind of the "noob tube" of smash?
nolerthebowler 07.29.20	I win
Colton 07.29.20	Alright man I gotta head out now ggs. You had me sweatin on that last one
nolerthebowler 07.29.20	now those were some quality games. I always wish link wasn’t my best character but I’ve used him 5x more than anyone else. Banjo is getting there but I’m not versatile enough with his lesser attacks. I still have adrenaline shakes from that last match
Colton 07.29.20	Yeah man I’m down to play your Link again next time. And yeah if you had any wonderwings left I may have had a heart attack
Colton 07.29.20	And no pots up b out of shield is one of the harder to moves to do in Smash
Cygnatti 07.29.20	"Wario has so much potential if they patch him, I don't know why they delibrately make him so bad in all of the games when his moves look so fun The worst part: Ultimate is the best he's ever been and he still suck" ars, sweetie, you don't know what you're talking about at all.
Keyblade 07.29.20	"Isnt being an up b god kind of the "noob tube" of smash" not perfectly timed falcon up B's out of shield no
Cygnatti 07.29.20	"Isnt being an up b god kind of the "noob tube" of smash?" 100% true, yeah. Up B from shield is hard in every other game, in this game it's easy so long as you aren't mashing your face into the controller.
Colton 07.29.20	I appreciate that Keyblade but that move is honestly pretty braindead lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	I think I can spot the noob tubers itt
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	That's like 90% of the roster
Colton 07.29.20	I main Captain Falcon lol
ArsMoriendi 07.29.20	Falcon is so fun
Cygnatti 07.29.20	"i havent read any of this thread yet but imma guess that 98 % of you use either captian falcon, a female character, a fire emblem or other anime character, or a pokemon character." some of us play like 1/3 of the entire cast, which is about how many characters this statement covers.
Colton 07.29.20	you are definitely the only one of us that's good enough to do that but yeah lol
nolerthebowler 07.29.20	I mean I’ll play as anyone. I’m not necessarily good with em but I’ll use em. I like playing the game not just getting good
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	Honestly, when it comes to offline couch coop with friends I stand by the rule that if you dont pick random ur a coward
Colton 07.29.20	that's cause you suck equally with all characters
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	lol what a coward defence
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	Nah it's cuz sometimes you just gotta get good i know u guys would shred me but i'm better than most of my irl friends and only evenly matched with one or two. when ur both playin' random instead of just banking on your best characters it switches up the odds and advantage
Slex 07.29.20	I haven't read any of this thread yet but I am willing to bet that if u play this game that u use one of the characters in the game Just my hot take tho
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	nah breh i main jk rowling
Colton 07.29.20	Ray William Johnson main here
Keyblade 07.29.20	"I appreciate that Keyblade but that move is honestly pretty braindead lol" how do u even counter it. my mind has been in SF mode and I was initially trying to throw tech it lol
Colton 07.29.20	you basically have to just not get hit by it lol. there's no real counter
nolerthebowler 07.29.20	Keyblade and Slex I gotta actually play you guys I had finally won one and I thought I was gonna face Key but he disappeared 😂
nolerthebowler 07.29.20	oh and I REALLY wanna play pots, I’ll even play random
Colton 07.29.20	Noler vs Pots live on pay per view
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	aight noler u play random, i play link and u start at 200% damage, 1 stock, best out of 1
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	when slex writes that hampster dance review i'll let yall fuck me up at smash
Colton 07.29.20	Get it done Slex
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	i know how bad yall want this one thing over me, better make it worth my while
Keyblade 07.29.20	yea I had to dip real quick I had some work shit to do, but I got u noler next time for sure
Cygnatti 07.29.20	@pots, have you ever played 8 player smash wit the homies? it's the reason i picked up bayo in smash 4, so i could camp on the platforms and then immediately kill someone who gets knocked into my direction.
Cygnatti 07.29.20	other fun times include using pacman's hydrant to harass an entire stage of 7 other players. or riding villager's rocket or bowser jr's clown cart across the entire stage too.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	Lmao no I've never played 8 person smash period, I dont think my eyes or brain could handle it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	I'm sure u guys are 2 core to fucks with items but one of my favs modes is just soccer balls and bumpers on high and nothing else. It is comical
Colton 07.29.20	I think everyone can appreciate some balls n bumpers from time to time
Keyblade 07.29.20	in a way I kinda hate that I got into competitive smash since smash 4 cuz I basically stopped playing the crazy 4 player games which used to be so fun with the peak being the brawl era
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.29.20	Honestly that's what I love about smash, and Nintendo coop games in general like mario party and kart as well, theres enough shinanegans to add an element of luck/chance which evens the playing field sometimes when playing with people who are worse than you. Competitive 1 v 1 smash is impressive af but it also takes that element away
Cygnatti 07.29.20	I used to play with items all time, mostly because I had no choice lmao. 8 player smash with items on is just abject chaos. Some of games we would play is like an arena of 4 or 8 falcons or 4 or 8 ganons (no items, since items take away from the funness of falcon and ganon). It's so much fun, lots of time spent off stage trying to dunk each other.
bloodshy 07.29.20	Came here to smash or pass, left feeling inadequate.
Cygnatti 07.31.20	bloodshy bro, you can lead by example. we're capable of multitasking on sput.
Relinquished 07.31.20	yea I’ve sputted and sputniked irl it’s feasible
Relinquished 07.31.20	sputtered and sputnerked sputniked my nickers
Colton 08.05.20	New update is so hype holy shit
Keyblade 08.05.20	what's in the new update
Uzumaki 08.05.20	Some of the best times I had playing Smash with friends has been when we used the custom stage builder to make a “box of death”, where there’s one opening that’s too high to jump out of and everyone fights in the box until they get KO’d out the opening, and with Ultimate it’s been with 4-5 Villager fights.
Colton 08.05.20	lol that sounds fun Uzu and Keyblade they made online less laggy, which is a godsend, and also added a new stage you can play on quickplay called Small Battlefield. It has two platforms instead of 3 and smaller blast zones so it discourages camping and running away.
Keyblade 08.05.20	ooh snap, okayyy. I might just get back into smash now. have a brand new GC controller lying around too
Colton 08.05.20	Was it you that said you stopped playing Ult cause the online sucked? If so I would like to hear your thoughts on how it feels now. Feels better to me.
Colton 08.05.20	They also made it way easier to get into elite so that's cool I guess
nolerthebowler 08.05.20	RIP perfectly balanced stage select screen
nolerthebowler 08.05.20	Hype that you can pick whatever music for battlefield. Do that for midgar lol
nolerthebowler 08.05.20	I have to check I might actually be in elite smash now. I was right on the threshold before.
Colton 08.05.20	Yeah my Chrom and Wolf are suddenly in now, they lessened the threshold by like 200000 GSP
nolerthebowler 08.05.20	What score were your Chrom and wolf? My banjo is at 7.25 mil
Colton 08.05.20	I think like 7.35ish, but I'm pretty sure you also gain more GSP per win now so you should be able to get in with a few wins
Colton 08.05.20	Seems like they did away with the "win 5 games and then lose 1 and lose all the GSP you gained from the 5" thing
Get Low 08.05.20	Ultimate is for the birds, ya'll. If anyone wants to play some rollback Melee against a veteran Peach main hmu
Keyblade 08.05.20	my wrists say that's gonna be a no from me dawg
Cygnatti 08.05.20	@get_low, I'd body you if my laptop could play rollback melee. or maybe not, because I don't like the peach ditto. xD @key, only being a fox (maybe falco or even falcon) main is like that. any of the other top tiers are pretty easy on the wrists, especially if you main jigglypuff.
Get Low 08.05.20	I'm not great at Peach dittos either. No one really plays her anymore so I don't have that much recent experience.
Kusangii 08.05.20	Man I miss this game. Maybe it's worth getting Switch after all
nolerthebowler 08.05.20	Yes it’s worth buying the smash bros machine
Pheromone 08.05.20	I'd smash zak ;)
nolerthebowler 08.05.20	I had to win once, but I made it to Elite Smash !
Colton 08.05.20	@pheromone I'm confused cause Zak isn't even in this thread lol @noler ayyy nice man. Now if you're like me, you won't wanna play that character anymore
Cygnatti 08.07.20	Made a room if anyone cares to join in 4KRPL / 55
Colton 08.07.20	I'll be on in around an hour probably if you're still playing then
Keyblade 08.07.20	cole ur right, online seems much smoother now
Cygnatti 08.07.20	sorry cole, didn't stick around for too long. online is a little bitter (which is great!), but only if it's 1v1 with 0 spectators. kind of a bummer, but it's better than nothing!
hogan900 08.07.20	Yeah online is huge diff when it’s 1v1 zero spectator now
Cygnatti 08.14.20	made a room if anyone cares to join L7FS4 | 55
Minushuman24 08.14.20	Is this thread about who you'd smash on sputnik?
Cygnatti 08.14.20	yes
Minushuman24 08.18.20	oh excellent! Um, JohnnyoftheWell, the dex bros, thalassic, spookyghostfriend, and the analyzer. Finally can get that off my chest
Colton 08.30.20	Haven't been on this thread much lately cause my wifi is shit and I didn't wanna put other people through that, but I'm moving tomorrow and my wifi will finally be good if anyone's down for some games
nolerthebowler 08.30.20	Haven’t been playing at all lately. I low key feel like I use this game as an excuse to waste my life away sometimes haha. Been tryn to reprioritize the shit that really matters.
nolerthebowler 08.30.20	I’ll always check back in for new dlc tho, whenever that happens
Get Low 08.30.20	"Haven’t been playing at all lately. I low key feel like I use this game as an excuse to waste my life away sometimes haha. Been tryn to reprioritize the shit that really matters." respect
Colton 08.30.20	smh guy gets one win off me with Link and quits the game nah that's actually respectable, I've been trying to be more productive lately as well. Luckily Smash never took up too much time for me cause I get worn out after like 45 mins
nolerthebowler 08.31.20	Smash is fun and all, probably my favorite game, but there’s a point where you gotta step back and say, what am I trying to accomplish here?
Colton 08.31.20	For me, when I play I’m just trying to have 45 mins - an hour of fun, while getting better at something that works your focus and hand eye coordination. But I totally get how it can be a distraction for some people and good on you for wanting to be more productive
Keyblade 08.31.20	i'm so burnt out on smash and idk why. every time my bro asks me to play I'm like hell no and we just play third strike or something. just not feeling it anymore. idk if the whole fiasco surrounding the scene subconsciously soured my view of the game or what
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	What fiasco
robertsona 08.31.20	whoever doesnt play as little mac every time is a coward. or maybe its the opposite but thats what I do baby
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Yeah you would main little mac
robertsona 08.31.20	yeah I like the beginner-y ones. was kirby at the very start, then captain falc, big fan of shulk too
Keyblade 08.31.20	"What fiasco" a disturbing amount of literally the most prominent members of the scene were outed as pedos/rapists/abusers
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Damn
Keyblade 08.31.20	it wasn't even like the typical MeToo shit where it was he said/she said, "they must be lying" etc. most of the accused came out like "yeah I did that shit, sorry. I'm gonna stop playing Smash now"
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Well at least they owned up instead of lawyered up
Keyblade 08.31.20	some of them absolutely need to face criminal charges. I think one of them, the girl who groomed a 14 y/o kid has been silent and I imagine it's cuz she's lawyering up
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Oh yeah no doubt I just meant a lot of people just release these big statements denying everything up and down and then get a lawyer for defamation or whatever
ArsMoriendi 08.31.20	Might post my friend code thingy in here later if I remember
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Do you main peach ars
ArsMoriendi 08.31.20	Ice Climbers is probably my main Though I do like Peach, King Dedede, Ness, and Greninja too
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	Oh yeah that's right
Colton 08.31.20	"Do you main peach ars" lol robertsona if you don't play me as Little Mac you're a coward
Cygnatti 08.31.20	I'm down to play whenever. But yeah that whole fiasco was really shit. Thankfully, we're all better without them around now.
Colton 08.31.20	While it was very disturbing what those people did and there a few really prominent figures in the scene who were outed, they still make up a really small percentage of the total amount of players. And I just play cause the game is fun, and none of that shit has anything to do with the game itself
Colton 08.31.20	and I can play tomorrow Cygnatti
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	here i was thinking that rape, pedophilia, and sexual assault were all explicitly linked to super smash bros
nolerthebowler 08.31.20	It was a pretty damn big percentage of prominent competitive smashers that got caught up in it tho, people that anyone trying to git gud would look up to and try to emulate. And with how many stories came out in such a short time, you have to imagine there are even more stories that haven’t come to light, and may never. But I agree, the love of the game has nothing to do with how some assholes act on the side. And the smash team certainly doesn’t enable them, there’s a reason Nintendo turns a blind eye towards the competitive scene. Bad PR.
nolerthebowler 08.31.20	let’s smash bro
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	power dynamics bro i mean who would of thought fucking gamer nerds of all people would be able to take advantage of that shit but even comic book writers and illustrators are getting caught up in this shit these days so up next is probably mathletes
Colton 08.31.20	yeah but they're very successful and popular gamer nerds who for the most part take advantage of other gamer nerds
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	you should change your username to ColeptainObvious
Keyblade 08.31.20	hope that kicks some parents' back into gear, out here letting their kids travel unsupervised to hang out with adults
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	no doubt reminds me of that mom who thought it was in no way weird at all that mark kozelek was inviting her like 19 year old daughter to hang out all the time or whatever how are some adults so oblivious
Colton 08.31.20	she also might have just not cared and I might just change it to Colton actually
Keyblade 08.31.20	she was encouraging her and gossiping with her about it and shit lol. weird as hell
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.31.20	some ppls parents
ArsMoriendi 09.01.20	SW-4480-7197-5322 I'll probably only accept any requests if you tell me who you are first though
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.01.20	cant be having strangers know what kind of suspect games ars is playing
ArsMoriendi 09.01.20	Only games I've played on the Switch: Luigi's Mansion 3 (current game) Fire Emblem: Three Houses Smash Bros Ultimate Super Mario Maker 2 The Legend of Zelda: Breathe of the Wild Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Super Mario Party Super Mario Odyssey Damn... I only have first party IPs, maybe I should get Utitled Goose Game or something to mix it up
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	I didn't even think of how great/unique of a smash character the Astral Chain protagonist would be until they released the new sprites from the game which means it's not gonna happen:(
Cygnatti 09.03.20	makin a room rn if anyone wants to join
Cygnatti 09.03.20	4HM3R | 55
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.20	anyone else pretty bummed that the mario 35 anniversary 3d bundle isn't remasters like they were rumoured to be?
nolerthebowler 09.03.20	No. Nintendo never promised remasters. Plus remasters would almost certainly be 60$ a pop instead of a 60$ 3-in-1 bundle.
nolerthebowler 09.04.20	I was more bummed that the old Grinch Leak wasn’t real, who remembers that? My brother is trying to act like the limited release of Mario 35 is some major travesty but it’s such a small game and clearly a celebration of the anniversary so I just can’t find it in myself to get worked up about it, especially when they just dumped so much good content.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	well obviously as rumours they were never promised but i'd rather have even a singular $60 Mario 64 Remaster than a $60 bundle of ports that I'm not that excited about. Sunshine remaster would have been a novel plus but I don't really care about a port of it or galaxy that much, I played the latter game just a few years ago and wasn't a big fan of the former when it was released. 64 remaster would have given me a full chub tho.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	If they included Mario 3d world with new content with the bundle instead of seperately then i'd probably buy it but as it stands i feel uninspired
Alondite 09.04.20	Rusty doesn't even begin to describe my Smash play right now (Haven't played Ult since Byleth was released), but I'd be down to play sometime. I was pretty into the competitive Melee scene in the early 2000s and would love to get back into Smash. I just hate the lag online. Even with 100 Mpbs wired it's still damn near unplayable for me against most people.
ArsMoriendi 09.04.20	I'm not buying that bundle I still have my GameCube for Sunshine and my DS for Mario 64 I guess I've never played Galaxy though lol like ever
Alondite 09.04.20	I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason the bundle is a limited run is because they're giving N64/GCN/Wii a sort of "test run" leading up to them eventually adding them to their online services like they have with NES and SNES games. The limited run ends with their fiscal year, so it's hard not to think that this isn't just like a "collector's item" type run with bigger things on the horizon.
nolerthebowler 09.04.20	I’ve never bought and hardly played 64, sunshine, or galaxy, so I’m buying that shit immediately. And I’ll get the physical version so I can sell it in 10 years for 1000 dollars.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.04.20	Wow ull be rich
Cygnatti 09.04.20	I think the limited release is lame, not having Galaxy2 is lame, and it being $60 is also lame (physical only, right?) It's still very cool that they're doing this in the first place. I'm in no rush to own my copy of those games instead of bumming it from friends' places, but it's still kinda disheartening.
Alondite 09.04.20	I believe there's also a digital edition available. Not having Galaxy 2 is pretty lame, though, especially given that it's the better of the two; took all the ideas from the first game and refined/expanded on them.
Madbutcher3 09.04.20	JEZ#345
Cygnatti 09.04.20	^is that SLIPPI I see? my comp is bad at playing slippi however... might i'll be able to soon...
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.26.20	I hope the next smash DLC character is either the new monster hunter protagonist or a BoTW character, preferably young impa
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	There hasn’t truly been a new Zelda rep since fucking Zelda herself. Toon Link doesn’t count, and neither does Ganon’s uncloning. New Zelda character would be sick.... But lowkey it would be Tingle 😂😂
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	I don’t love monster hunter but that would make a lot of sense since monster hunter is already heavily featured in Ultimate, but without a real stage or character.
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	I just want less anime characters this FP, even though I do like all the character in FP1
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Yeah I didn't like the one monster hunter game I tried much but I just think that protagonist could make a cool character and have an interesting moveset, especially with his partner dog monster I'd be happy with any BoTW representation tho, not just young impa, any of the champs would be so cool. I guess the bird would be my last choice tho just because he is basically just falco with a bow. Darunia meh too as I dont like heavies much. get fish bish in there
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	One rumour is bandana waddledee which is the stupidest fucking shit I've ever heard
Colton 09.27.20	they need a proper heavy for a DLC character though (Plant doesn't count)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	King k rule doesn't count?
Colton 09.27.20	K Rool wasn't dlc
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Oh!
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I also hope it's not crash bandicoot as I neither care about that character nor think he would have an interesting moveset in the slightest If they gotta go that route I'd prefer spyro or something at least
Colton 09.27.20	at this point I just want them to design characters in such a way that I don't wanna kill myself every time I'm matched up with them. Neither Plant, Banjo or Min Min are amazing broken characters or anything like that but they are painful to play against most of the time (Noler's banjo is actually only 1/10 as bad as most wifi Banjos)
Colton 09.27.20	Min Min's gotta be one of the most degen characters in the game
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	My ideal set, with games on the horizon taken into consideration, would be liiiike New Monster Hunter Guy Young Impa Zero Gods and Monsters Guy No More Heroes Guy
beefshoes 09.27.20	Banjo Kazooie was the best addition for sure, and is worth the purchase. I am genuinely surprised that Doom Slayer didn't make the cut though, and it would be really cool to see The Knight from Hollow Knight or some other Rare characters make an appearance either as dlc or the next iteration (I want to play Conker for furs sake). Alucard from SOTN definitely needs to come along though, given that we got Simon and Richter Belmont.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Zero being the one not based on upcoming ips. Would be happy to see Bomberman in that light too
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	If we could have random indie characters I'd want Hyper Light Drifter guy about anyone else Dead Cells guy would be cool too
beefshoes 09.27.20	Dead Cells guy would be awesome. Have his weapon selection randomized to some extent upon spawn too.
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	As smash isn’t rated M, doom guy will never get in. He def deserves a spot based off gaming legacy, but doom slayer in a rated T game sounds fucking stupid.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Snake is in smash noler
Colton 09.27.20	yeah Hollow Knight would be sick I don't think Nintendo will add Zero solely because of what went down with player/streamer ZeRo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I dont think they'd add zero for reasons completely unrelated to player/streamer zeRo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I dont think the character zero is cancelled because some dude who has nothing to do with him is a pos
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	People are stupid, but not THAT stupid
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Snake doesn’t cut people in half with a chain saw. Doom Guy without gore is no bueno. Stealth weaponry without gore at least sort of works.
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Zero is already an assist trophy anyway.
beefshoes 09.27.20	Zero and Alucard are also assist trophies. No idea if that makes a difference though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Stealth weaponry without gore sort of works? Dude his arsenal is entirely composed of explosives how is that stealth and also if they can make that pg they can make doom guy pg
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	My realistic guess for FP2: Crash Rayman Dante or Travis Touchdown (not both) Geno (geno stans will be on suicide watch if this doesn’t happen) Piranha Plant-esque wild card pick My ideal most wanted FP2: Phoenix Wright Spyro The Prince from katamari damacy (make it work) Frog from chrono trigger Rayman
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I dont want doom guy as a character at all I just think ur argument as to why he COULDNT be a character is arbitrary
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Phoenix Wright, Crash, Rayman, and Prince are awful picks but I'm super d with Frog, Geno, Spyro, or Travis or Dante
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Although I feel like spyro wouldn't actually be fun to play
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Idk I just don’t think demons and blood and fucked up shit is as essential to snake’s identity as doom slayers. Same reason I wouldn’t want Mortal Kombat kharacters.
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	I highly doubt most from my ideal list would make it. Phoenix, frog and the prince aren’t popular enough. Crash will get in over Spyro almost guaranteed.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I get that, but I still dont think it's off limits for them I think you just mean you'd be unhappy with the result
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Rayman is the best pick left on the table.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Oh yeah I forgot that I had the realization that the astral chain Protagonist could.be a really cool character
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.20	"Although I feel like spyro wouldn't actually be fun to play" Only fun if you are a kid.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Dude rayman is so whack he would be an awful character
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Crazy he’s not in the game yet fr.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Trying to imagine a compelling rayman or crash bandicoot moveset is virtually impossible Same with spyro the more I think about it
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	They wouldn’t be flashy characters.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.20	Rayman can be the Jar Jar Binks.
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Ryu from Ninja Gaiden is also pretty likely imo.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	They dont need to be flashy but pretty much all of the best characters at least have either a cool power set, a cool weapon set, or a cool fighting technique Those 3 have none of any of those
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	I don’t worry about moveset potential anyway because Sakurai made a compelling moveset for a fucking potted plant.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Like designing a move set for those 3 would be like "ok headbutt, jump spin, body check, derpy punch" and then spyro would breath fire with b
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Dude knowing the pirhana plants from the games I could tell you without a single doubt that its moveset would have been more interesting than any of those dudes
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Yeah I guess we’ll see after the characters come out. You can’t deny Rayman and crash specifically are definitely within the realm of possibility.
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	You just might hate them lol.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Oh for sure I would not be surprised to see either of them But I would be disappointed
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Oh shit another dope character would be Nightmare from Soul Caliber. Would prefer Yoshimitsu but that’s never gonna happen.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I fucking hope they don't add a new pokemon
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	I guess he’d be a lot like Ganon nowadays
loveisamixtape 09.27.20	tryin to find my friend code w my web browser bc i don’t have my switch until Monday but there doesn’t seem to be a way to obtain it RIP
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Another Pokemon is pretty much the least optimal outcome yeah.
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	I’ve also wanted knuckles since I was an itty bitty child so he’s probably my #1 most wanted. Buuuut it’s never gonna happen.
Colton 09.27.20	I like Rayman as a character but I think he would be boring in terms of move set I thought they would add a Pokemon but Sword and Shield came out a while ago now and they already did dlc, the timing doesn't really make sense now
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Maybe knuckles would actually be playable unlike sonic
Colton 09.27.20	Sonic is probably the worst designed character in the game, character has single handedly ruined so many tourneys
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Because releasing an ARMS character 3 months ago made a ton of sense
Colton 09.27.20	Touché
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Yeah it seems like they more often release characters after the fact rather than before which seems kind of stupid imo? Wouldn't you want to be amassing hype before a release?
Colton 09.27.20	They did that with Joker but I guess they don’t really care anymore
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Development takes forever. Idk why. Other fighting games churn out characters at least twice as fast.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	For the persona 5 port? Difference is that the game existed elsewhere before so they had ample time to take him into consideration I guess. I remember reading that the dlc characters are all picked and solidified well in advance so I wonder if it's even possible to see characters from truly new games unless they are well into production early enough to have been picked out long ago
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I dont understand why development takes so long either especially when 80% of the characters are fucking clones
Colton 09.27.20	Yeah but Noler there’s greater character variety in Smash than other games, and also more characters, so it takes longer to come up with unique movesets
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Oh you know who would be a cool character? Viewtiful Joe
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	I don’t like it when they do characters from games that haven’t been released yet. Because what if the game is ass. AKA fire emblem fates.
Colton 09.27.20	People loved Three Houses though
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I dont really care if the game is ass if the character is fun. Sometimes it goes the other way too, I loved three houses but I dont like byleth in smash. Doesn't reflect badly on my opinion of three houses tho.
Colton 09.27.20	Viewtiful Joe would be cool, I doubt they’re trying going for deep cuts like that though
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	"People loved Three Houses though" Byleth came out after three houses..
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	Yeah that’s true Bolton (they spend time making sure characters are different). Which is why I’m not really worried about Crash or Rayman not having a unique feel to them.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	"they spend time making sure characters are different" ......................... .........
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	for the dlc
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Lol word
Colton 09.27.20	Yeah but Byleth is in Three Houses no?
Colton 09.27.20	Lord Bolton was a sick character so I’ll take that Noler
Colton 09.27.20	Also now I get to be a lord like Pots
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	"Yeah but Byleth is in Three Houses no?" I thought this was within the context of noler saying he didn't like when they released characters before the games
Colton 09.27.20	he was saying what if the game is ass referring to Fates (whatever that is), I'm saying for Byleth it doesn't matter cause he/she is already in a good game
Colton 09.27.20	off topic but has anyone been playing 3D All Stars and realizing how terribly Mario 64 has aged? The controls and camera are truly painful
nolerthebowler 09.27.20	I’ve been playing sunshine. It’s great for the most part. But they changed the water nozzle controls, and don’t give you the option to change it back, which has been a thorn in my side throughout the whole experience.
Colton 09.27.20	Yeah I'm loving Sunshine as well. Love the movement. And isn't the nozzle change just because there's no pressure sensitive triggers on joycons and the pro controller? So it's a necessary change
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	I caved and got 3d all stars I dont think 64 has aged terribly beyond the expected issues of its time like the god awful camera and clunky character movement I was actually alive for mario 64 tho so the nostalgia factor probably does wonders. I'm having a good time with it. It's certainly jankier than ocarina of time or majoras mask which I played recently tho
Colton 09.27.20	I was alive for the DS version, so the N64 one isn't that nostalgic for me. And a lot of the time I'm too stupid to know what you actually have to do to get the star. Like that level where you have to break the wall with a cannon, or the one where you have to be metal Mario to get it but I didn't know that and didn't have metal Mario unlocked so I just wandered around for ages. Or anything with the cap that makes you fly. Good lord that thing sucks
Colton 09.27.20	or this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCAQEsR2N-Y didn't know about the green shell
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Lol games back then certainly didn't hold your hand that's for sure Honestly I'm furthet in mario 64 than I ever have been before in my life and it's only thanks to the internet When I replayed majoras mask there were moments where I had to look at what to do online and it was like "no fucking wonder you had to buy the damn manual to get through this shit"
Colton 09.27.20	"Honestly I'm furthet in mario 64 than I ever have been before in my life and it's only thanks to the internet" this actually makes me feel better lol "When I replayed majoras mask there were moments where I had to look at what to do online and it was like "no fucking wonder you had to buy the damn manual to get through this shit" yeah idk how they seriously expected little kids to figure out the water temple from oot and shit like that
Colton 09.27.20	and then you watch someone speedrun Mario 64 and beat the whole game in 50 minutes
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	When you see stuff like that you just gotta remember that you've had sex
loveisamixtape 09.27.20	been considering getting the 3d all stars game just to play sunshine for the first time in a decade and galaxy for the first time ever. money is Tight tho
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.27.20	Galaxy is great, galaxy 2 is better
GhettoHmbrglr 09.27.20	discord diggity#4352 was playing competitively and going to tournaments up until the pandemic started and have barely played since but would love to get back into it. Ridley main
Colton 09.27.20	Galaxy 2 is slightly better yeah but honestly it's worth it mixtape if you've never played them. Sunshine is a great game although a little dated, Galaxy is a masterpiece that holds up today
Colton 09.27.20	nice Hmbrglr I'd be down to play sometime this week. I like facing Ridleys
loveisamixtape 09.27.20	i have won a smash 64 tourney before but am not as good at the newer games, fox is my starter in 64 bc I like speed and it seems like every character for the most part is extremely fast in the newer games. I now for some reason roll wii fit trainer bc its a lot of fun if I am good at the game that particular day
loveisamixtape 09.27.20	sunshine was my shit back then but I think I will likely play it now and think "man this is slooOOOw"
beefshoes 09.27.20	Mario 64 still plays fantastically, and the only thing that I would change about the original is the camera, given that the controls are basically perfect otherwise. Sunshine has aged the worst, but it's more because of the linear design of the stages within the worlds as opposed to the control. Aside from particular places like that fucking watermelon level, and the pachinko level that everyone rightfully trashes, it controls extremely well. I've been playing Galaxy on a switch lite, and even it feels great with the touchscreen.
Cygnatti 09.27.20	@ghetto fam, see me on wifi tbch
Colton 09.27.20	agreed beefshoes that Sunshine controls well, don't agree for 64 though. But I'm also not as familiar with that game. I've seen a lot of people say they're struggling with it though and that it feels like Mario is walking on ice
Cygnatti 09.27.20	as a lifelong nintendo boi and trve and r33l mario critic i say: basically all the mario games are good and fun yea yuh
Cygnatti 09.27.20	also Yoshi's Island is the best platformer of all time
beefshoes 09.27.20	I literally grew up with SM64, as I was playing it even before I started Kindergarten. It feels like second nature to me because of that I guess, so it's extremely difficult for me to be objective. They are dated of course, and I can definitely see how those who didn't play early 3D games in the 90s would have trouble with it. With that being said however, I also grew up with games like Metal Gear Solid, which have held up significantly worse by comparison and don't feel nearly as responsive.
Colton 09.27.20	I fuck with that take Cygnatti, was the first game I ever played and fair enough beefshoes, being familiar with it would probably help. I definitely got better at it toward the end. But I just got 70 stars, beat Bowser and then moved on to Sunshine, the movement just wasn’t fun for me. Sunshine’s is though, backflipping into hover nozzle never gets old
Cygnatti 09.28.20	ty coltybrah
loveisamixtape 09.28.20	@colton that is honestly the thing i miss most about sunshine tbh it’s been like 12 years or somethin since i played it too
nolerthebowler 09.29.20	Cygnatti have you played Celeste or anyone for that matter
Cygnatti 09.29.20	i have not unfortunately, hear great things about it tho
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.29.20	Celeste was good
nolerthebowler 09.29.20	you’d dig if you’re a 2d platformer fan. Helped boost my interest in the genre.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.29.20	I've been playing Sunshine and why is marion made of jello
nolerthebowler 09.30.20	New smash character announcement tommorow. Let’s see how our guesses fare.
nolerthebowler 09.30.20	Certain developments have led me to expect it to be Tracer from Overwatch. That’ll get an interesting reaction to say the least.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.30.20	Ew
Cygnatti 09.30.20	I hope that's NOT the case...
nolerthebowler 09.30.20	Same but all will be revealed tomorrow so I’ll withhold judgment til then
Colton 09.30.20	really pulling for Blooper-surfing Big Daddy from Mario Sunshine
nolerthebowler 09.30.20	Crash 4 comes out day after tomorrow as well 🤔 maybe more than a coincidence ?
Colton 09.30.20	hmm..... never played Crash but I'm more down for another Looney Tunes character than another anime character
loveisamixtape 09.30.20	get Spyro
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.30.20	my friend in the upstairs suite has Spyro remaster trilogy, might borrow
beefshoes 09.30.20	"really pulling for Blooper-surfing Big Daddy from Mario Sunshine" Piantas are definitely underrated.
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	it's not overwatch it's minecraft lol
Colton 10.01.20	lmao the whole time Sakurai is just explaining how much he didn't want to make this character but was forced to
Colton 10.01.20	I like it though, everyone's played Minecraft, the character is unique, it's not a weeb character, and not a projectile spammer. I'll take it
ArsMoriendi 10.01.20	Minecraft Steve was a no-brainer inclusion It's the most popular indie game of all time, kids absolutely adore that game, and he has a super unique play style I've never played Minecraft, but good choice
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	its not anime 🤷 What I’m excited for is the stage. Well the character too, but I’ve always thought a Minecraft stage would be a cool concept.
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	that block laying mechanic looks interesting, like how they effect matches. Wonder how easily breakable they are for other fighters?
Colton 10.01.20	now I can platform camp Little Mac on FD
beefshoes 10.01.20	I'm pleased with it, though I've always been a Minecraft fan.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	well this is much worse than i possibly could have imagined
Colton 10.01.20	Nah it’s hype
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	possibly the least hype thing thats happened to smash since Isabelle
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	Nah it’s hype
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	Compelling arguments maybe if I hold my breath long enough I'll lose enough brain cells to consider this an evocative engagement
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	I hate the feel of clunky retro characters and characters with cartoonish proportions so this is pretty much guaranteed to be one of my least favourite fighters
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	Hate hate hate it
Cygnatti 10.01.20	i would have preferred a pokemon to this
Colton 10.01.20	Minecraft came out in 2009, he's less retro than all the characters you wanted
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	Retro means imitative of the past dumbass
Colton 10.01.20	but it's not though
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	It's a 2009 game made to look as blocky and pixelated as the 80s you absolute fucking ignoramus
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	I’ve been waiting all day for pots’ take on this haha
Colton 10.01.20	lol 3d games like that didn't even exist in the 80s. and you said you hate the feel of retro characters, not the look. and the feel of Steve will be unique because Minecraft is a unique game that doesn't really imitate anything.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	I'll ebb my saltiness momentarily to say that there are some intriguing possibilities. The part in the trailer where he traps his foe in boxes is pretty funny. My problem isnt with his moveset etc (minus making food which is always lame) it's his handling etc that I just know I'm gonna hate
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	Steve looks retro bolton. Pixel face. 6 polygons make up his entire body.
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	I don’t think I will have much luck with Steve, but I think people online will have tons of creative ideas with how to play with him. Even if I hate how a character feels, if there are people out there who can shine with him (and not be annoying as fuck, which ill admit is a distinct possibility) I’m all for it.
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	And I definitely look forward to trying him out. Specially enderman with dem skinny legs.
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	Stage is more hype than Steve himself, lowkey. Looks stunning.
Colton 10.01.20	......................
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	Colton some of the shit you say makes me extremely worried about your mental capacity Being imitative of something doesn't require being a carbon copy you monkey brained man turdlette. He's blocky, pixelated, and has clunky, rigid, undefined movement and animation, if my cat can understand what I'm saying so can your kindergarten ass, you're just being contrarian for the sake of it, problem is I'm the king of being contrarian so sit down on your racecar bed and write this shit down in your my little pony notebook before I suck your dick
Colton 10.01.20	fuck you Pots I put a bunch of dots so that I could have the 420th comment but then you took it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	Stage looks cool granted Gonna hold off on fighter pass two until someone that truly intrigues me comes out or worst case scenario when they are all released
Colton 10.01.20	I don't really see Minecraft as having retro gameplay. what games is it like?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	You are very obtuse
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	I've officially rolled my eyes so far into the back of my skull that I can barely typanydm kore
Colton 10.01.20	I think you might be confusing Minecraft with something else like the Lego Star Wars games or something
Colton 10.01.20	I'm rolling my eyes at taking offence to Minecraft being too retro while pulling for Mega Man characters and Spyro and shit lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	Zero and spyro? They probably wouldn't be retro at all. Lego star wars games are also not retro You literally haven't a single clue what you're talking about and it would be cute if it didn't make me want to abort you
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	If your gripes are moveset related I sort of understand, tho I think it’s too early to judge. But I’ll be the first to say I’m all for the aesthetic of Minecraft and Steve in particular in smash. Reminds me of reacting to unlocking game n watch, 20 years ago. Ugly and outdated but endearing and goofy at the same time.
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	go away
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	If they made a new mario and emulated his 8bit 2d OG form it would be retro Mario himself as he is is not retro Megaman in smash is slightly retro in that they emulated certain aspects of his og moveset even tho they rendered him as a modernized version Mr game and watch emulated the frame rate and clunky movement etc of his og appearances which is deffs retro but he is polished up aesthetically Minecraft dude is literally made of pixels and has the dexterity of log. Its not the gameplay of minecraft that is retro, it's his aesthetic and maneuverability This is so self evident it's physically painful
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	"me want to abort you nolerthebowler 10.01.20 [Report this Post] If your gripes are moveset related I sort of understand, tho I think it’s too early to judge. But I’ll be the first to say I’m all for the aesthetic of Minecraft and Steve in particular in smash. Reminds me of reacting to unlocking game n watch, 20 years ago. Ugly and outdated but endearing and goofy at the same time." Lol well game and watch was my least favourite character for a very very long time, he recently grew on me a bit tho, kinda figured him out and got over how awkward and rigid he is. So same thing might happen eventually
Colton 10.01.20	"Its not the gameplay of minecraft that is retro, it's his aesthetic and maneuverability" well you said you hate the FEEL of retro characters so that's on you
Colton 10.01.20	actually I guess maneuverability would kinda cover that wouldn't it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	Maneuverability = feel mongoloid
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	I swear to god if you don't stop I'm gonna go take a nap
Colton 10.01.20	but at the end of the day they added fuckin piranha plant who didn't even have any movement at all except moving up and down out of pipes and his moveset doesn't even feel "retro" so
Colton 10.01.20	take a nap Grahampa
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	He’s 1000% more fluid than game n watch. His movement will be limited for sure, but I bet that will be made up for with creative specials. And his recovery looks insane.
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	Limited maneuverability =/= bad character
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	Yeah well just look at piranha plant they modernized him obviously and didn't emulate his old school counterparts at all really. He looks and feels like he was taken from odyssey, not super mario bros for nes or whatever. Aside from being an intentionally pixelated mess, minecraft guys movement is noticeably clunky, rigid, and undefined. Dude has like a grand total of 5 points of body articulation lmao
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	"He’s 1000% more fluid than game n watch. His movement will be limited for sure, but I bet that will be made up for with creative specials. And his recovery looks insane. nolerthebowler 10.01.20 [Report this Post] Limited maneuverability =/= bad character" Yeah its just preference of course, I'm not saying hes bad, since I haven't played him or against him I cant really say that, I'm just saying I'm not stoked
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	Man I hate bayonetta
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	You’ll be kicking her ass all match and than 80% damage combo for 10 fucking seconds
Colton 10.01.20	One of the reasons I don’t main Bowser anymore
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	If Minecraft guy had more 5 points of body articulation, it wouldn’t look right.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	I've never played anyone who is good at bayonetta but I dont particularly love playing as her, wish I liked her more at least
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	"If Minecraft guy had more 5 points of body articulation, it wouldn’t look right." Of course not, it's just the way it is, and the way it is isnt appealing to me
nolerthebowler 10.01.20	Cygnatti is good as fuck with bayo, but can kick your ass with or without cheap combos.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.01.20	I have little doubt that cygnatti could kick my ass with literally any character lmao
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	watching this trailer again and they might have well just made the letter "T" a dlc character
nolerthebowler 10.02.20	Tetris L block next please
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	lmao
Veks 10.02.20	This makes me so sad I don't own a nintendo gaming system nowadays. Always bought every one when I was a kid, saving up money blablabla. Haven't bought one since the WI. Sigh. I miss playing Zelda.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	The first version of switch will prob get decently cheap when switch pro comes out next year
loveisamixtape 10.02.20	bought my switch for like 140 bux right before covid , feel like a genius now
Colton 10.02.20	hey Cygnatti a guy I know is having a tourney tonight with $200 on the line, in case you're interested. I think you could beat most of the people in it
nolerthebowler 10.02.20	My money is on the last four being Crash, Geno, Rayman and Travis Touchdown, regardless of pots anticipated hype for them (although 0% likelihood that's totally accurate). Steve fits my wild card slot nicely. I have a feeling they'll announce crash when the announce the switch version of Crash 4 which is bound to happen. I still have a feeling they'll throw Waluigi at the end after FP2 as a "fuck you guys, have him" but it'll be without a stage or a spirit board. If they do Waluigi, I'd really hope they give him attacks related to Mario Kart and Mario Party, which no fighters have any attacks related to yet. If his final smash was Waluigi Pinball (instead of a stage) that would be pretty cool.
nolerthebowler 10.03.20	Well my prediction is already wrong 😂
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.03.20	How so?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.03.20	Nvm rip Bomberman
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.03.20	I dunno why the fuck they are making minecraft mii fighter skins when they already have the new minecraft character with skins
nolerthebowler 10.03.20	Travis touchdown mii costume ruins my theory, but just replace him with dante Bomberman costume looks tight, like the palette swaps
Cygnatti 10.03.20	mii costumes don't mean that the character can't be a DLC character at some point.
Cygnatti 10.03.20	@Colton, I absolutely would've been interested, wish ya told me sooner!!
nolerthebowler 10.03.20	Seriously doubt it for this pass tho, doesn’t make sense from a marketing standpoint
nolerthebowler 10.03.20	I’m gonna put a red Bomberman head on the knuckles body and create the Ultimate Lifeform
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.03.20	"Bomberman costume looks tight, like the palette swaps" I appreciate that they actually gave him his face instead of making it a stupid mii hat like most of the other ones. If they took this route with more costumes I would be a happy camper. "mii costumes don't mean that the character can't be a DLC character at some point." It does make it rather unlikely
Colton 10.03.20	sorry Cyg, I'll let you know ahead of time next time
Colton 10.03.20	Steve looks awesome the presentation was great
nolerthebowler 10.03.20	When he set a block like way off of the stage and did a smash attack right next to the edge of the screen I was like fuuuck. And how the minecart picks people up and can send em off stage, like the Kapp’n assist trophy. He gonna be crazy
Colton 10.03.20	Yeah he’s gonna have some crazy set ups but they’ll take a lot of effort to pull off I’d imagine
Cygnatti 10.04.20	Won a tourney tonight. Missed this feeling tbh.
Colton 10.04.20	Hell yeah man. What was the matchup?
Cygnatti 10.04.20	Had to go against a Samus. None of my chars can outright beat her and I hate the mu. So I went for my tried and true Ness.
Cygnatti 10.04.20	This was grand finals, played a buncha peeps before that, ofc.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.04.20	I watched some of the Steve presentation and even though I still dont think hes gonna be the one for me, I appreciate how unique his moveset is. Looks like a lot of work went into him. On the other hand, I feel like the complexity if new characters within the last two gens of smash have sky-rocketed and it makes some of them pretty inaccessible with a rather daunting learning curve. Like Ryu and Ken having directional inputs for their special makes them basically unplayable for me. I like hero but having to quickly scroll through his randomized special list and remember what all of them do is a lot. Navigating Shulks power ups... Joker's two forms... Having to refuel Inkling... resource management for this guy... it's a lot now that I'm old
Cygnatti 10.05.20	Yeah agreed. Most of those other ones aren't bad at all really, and Steve looks really cool and like a lot of fun to play as, but... idk He kinda changes the game entirely and I don't think I like that.
Colton 10.05.20	Congrats on beating a Samus that's always rough @pots that's the beauty of Smash, there's simple characters and more complex characters so it suits everyone's playstyle
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.05.20	No, that's just a new thing to smash. These games were coming out since before you were born and that was never part of the "beauty" of smash until last two gens.
Colton 10.05.20	No it's not lol
Colton 10.05.20	good characters in melee are way more technical with a way more daunting learning curve than any Ult characters
Cygnatti 10.07.20	they are way more technical from a competitive standpoint sure, but it's not really in the same way at all. the game just has mechanics that foster that technicality. like say from a sheer programming standpoint, the resource management characters are more complex. changing the entire stagelist and engine to accomodate steve is pretty intense and drastic imo.
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	I dig the complexity of the DLC characters. Gives me a motivation to try out characters I wouldn’t have been as interested in, like Joker, Hero, Terry, Min-Min and now Steve. I agree that it almost feels like characters from two different fighting games, comparing the core characters like Mario and link and pikachu to the DLC fighters. But I’m 100% in favor of them handling it that way.
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	“changing the entire stagelist and engine to accomodate steve is pretty intense and drastic imo.“ And pretty fucking awesome. That’s why I love smash. They don’t cut corners they make more corners.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.07.20	y'know, aside from when they make seven hundred echo and clone characters
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	well I mean yes but
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.07.20	haha no i know, they've been way better about that this gen and it is appreciated but yeah anyways colton with the bewilderingly incorrect takes as usual
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	blame street fighter 2
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.07.20	"good characters in melee are way more technical with a way more daunting learning curve than any Ult characters" cyg already said it but no, melee mechanics were just more technical. there was not nearly the same disparity in complexity between old and new characters until Wii U started doing weird shit.
Colton 10.07.20	Ultimate characters aren’t complicated you’re just an old man who doesn’t understand technology and shit
Colton 10.07.20	How you play keyboards and such and can’t do Ken inputs smh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.07.20	im starting to think you just have a case of oppositional defiant disorder that is so crippling that no matter how retarded and wrong you sound you just can't help but take a contrarian stance with anyone who has a bigger penis than you
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.07.20	they are comparatively complicated due to characters requiring unique management beyond the knowledge of the universal inputs that have been in the game since the first entry, which is new to smash as of the last couple gens. stop being a garbage person.
Colton 10.07.20	New Smash characters being comparatively complicated relative to older games is like saying your pizza from Domino’s is a fancy meal relative to the toast you had for breakfast
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	I can’t name a single fighting game without a few clone characters, or at least characters with similar mechanics. imo it’s perfectly fine. How much more different do you prefer Fox and Falco to be? Also this game’s whole schtick is that all veteran characters return and the series having so many diehard fans over the years for each game it’s definitely something that was appreciated by the fanbase as a whole, even if it means the roster has three Links.
Colton 10.07.20	Yeah dumb complaint from Pots I agree ^
Colton 10.07.20	Indicative of his general cluelessness really
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	😂
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	😲
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	🤔
nolerthebowler 10.07.20	-sent from My iPhone
Colton 10.07.20	Pissing off Pots is fun. Not as fun as Mario Galaxy though. This game holds up so well
Colton 10.07.20	Also I don’t think Steve will be as complicated as he looks
aydross121 10.07.20	Love both ult and mili, but rollback is like a huge upgrade from nintendo's shitty paid service, so I've been casually playing that one mostly. Bring the falco spam you nerds.
Cygnatti 10.07.20	oh? i'll beat yo ass in melee too (assuming i still have it all set up)
aydross121 10.07.20	Sure lol. Trapped in australia atm, don't know if the connection overseas is that great now, although I did play with a friend in the us one month back and it was honestly somewhat playable somehow, wifi and all. Rollback is black magic i'm telling you.
aydross121 10.07.20	Also, would like to mention I have the merit of being able to take a game from Nairo's olimar without him using any actual pikmin attacks butI also got bodied all other games with him using other chars, matched him on smash4glory.
Cygnatti 10.07.20	very nice, for whatever reason, the last time I used slippi, my comp was STILL lagging like crazy (fps was like consistently at around 50ish), which I'm pretty sure isn't supposed to happen. no clue why it's like this but it's really depressing.
nolerthebowler 10.09.20	shovel knight mii costume when
TheAntichrist 10.09.20	will there be spin the bottles and cute girls in catholic school outfits and braids like in the old days?
Colton 10.13.20	I wonder if Nintendo's servers are gonna crash tonight. Hopefully they learned from what happened with Joker and prepared, but the Steve announcement crashed twitter so idk
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	NATIONAL DAY OF STEVE
Colton 10.14.20	I love when new characters come out cause not only do you get a new character but you get a patch too
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	Yes
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	The whole meta shifts
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	Downloading! Gotta go get high real quick
Colton 10.14.20	lmao same
Colton 10.14.20	took a solid 2 minutes for the servers to crash damn
Storm In A Teacup 10.14.20	lol
Colton 10.14.20	The way the guy says “Steeeve” when you select him is so goofy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.14.20	should just be this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgvR3y5JCXg
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	He says “STEEEEVE” and then “alex”
Cygnatti 10.14.20	ness buffs mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Colton 10.14.20	Totally necessary
Cygnatti 10.14.20	they are, yes
Colton 10.14.20	Also reaaaally glad they buffed Pikachu and Sonic, also super necessary
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	Been spending the last hour learning how to quickly and efficiently make a dick out of blocks, wbu guys
Colton 10.14.20	mostly just spamming dash attack and grab
Cygnatti 10.14.20	pika's fair "buff" is actually a nerf lol (it seems to make it *easier* to fall out of the fair), the dev team is rarted!
Madbutcher3 10.14.20	any EU people on Slippi?
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	This is a music site, so can we talk about how incredibly fire the soundtrack for this DLC is?? Halland and Earth are fuckin whip approved.
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	Happy to see buffs for Simon and Ice Climbers, both characters I’m interested in
Colton 10.14.20	yeah I'm fine with IC being buffed cause they're cool but overall this patch is an abomination, Ness buffs and especially Sonic buffs feel like Nintendo actually trolling
Colton 10.14.20	and yeah Halland rules, never heard the original but the remix fits the vibe of Smash perfectly
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	Sonic and Ness are annoying, but are they really that good? Sonic's non-ball moves getting buffed might actually make him less annoying to face. And with Ness, as long as PK fire doesn't get boosts, a few buffs to the rest of his kit could be well-received.
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	I like fighting Ness when he doesn't spam specials.
Colton 10.14.20	most people agree they're high tier at least, and both characters have been doing really well in tournaments. Wifi tournaments, but still. I just don't get why two high tiers get buffed when there's characters like Puff and Dr. Mario who still kinda suck. They were both more than good enough
Colton 10.14.20	the pros are saying Steve is trash
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	BuT I thOUgHT hE WAs Op
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	they should nerf puff by taking her out of the game
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	They probably adjusted some of the outlier moves for Ness and Sonic because they don't like how people are using the character. Give them more viable options and maybe they'll play less like degenerates. I think that's a valid reason to buff. Plus, you should know that every character has (or will) got buffed at some point. And I 100% prefer a patch of questionable buffs over a patch of questionable nerfs.
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	If every character is OP, then nobody is OP. Buff em all!!
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	Steve isn't trash but he's not OP. Great well-rounded character, that seems to take some getting used to. Pros ALWAYS jump the gun and exaggerate with their takes on new characters.
Colton 10.14.20	yeah I don't think he's that bad. And I agree that buffs > nerfs but there are certain characters that are pretty much unanimously agreed to be good and Ness and Sonic are two of them. There are many characters that needed buffs more
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	Enderman v Game n Watch matchup is so funny. LOOK HOW FAR GAMING HAS COME IN 2020!!
nolerthebowler 10.14.20	Looking forward to a future 1-dimensional character
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.14.20	Loll
Colton 10.15.20	Dabuz just made top 8 of Hungrybox's tournament with solo Alex, what a nut. character is 24 hours old
Cygnatti 10.15.20	still geek'd over the ness buffs :D :D :D :D :D
Cygnatti 10.26.20	if anyone is down to play later tonight, lmk im makin a room :]
Veks 10.26.20	This thread makes me wanna buy a switch.
Colton 10.26.20	I'll be down Cyg. just post the room when you make it @veks get one man
nolerthebowler 10.26.20	Can’t tonight. Been smashing again tho, so I’ll be down for a rumble soon.
Colton 10.26.20	down to run back the Falcon vs Link matchup
ArsMoriendi 10.26.20	Sounds fun I'd join
nolerthebowler 10.26.20	haven’t used link in months, I’m down
nolerthebowler 10.26.20	Been thinking about how cool Chell from Portal with a GLaDOS potato gun and portal-making abilities would be. Would fit the unconventional movesets trend of recent DLC characters.
nolerthebowler 10.27.20	“Are you still there?”
Colton 10.27.20	guy wins 2/3 against me with Link, says "I win" and drops the character forever smh. the audacity
Colton 10.27.20	and yeah that would be cool but idk how they could implement a portal gun in a 2D game like Smash with such tiny stages
nolerthebowler 10.27.20	Either have the portals float in air or have em shot on the ground? Idk they made fucking Minecraft blocks work that’s gotten my imagination going wild.
nolerthebowler 10.27.20	I’ve been meaning to un-main link since Ultimate released. He was my boi in smash 4 but I wanted to branch out, and be less reliant on projectiles. Now banjo’s my main, but I want another. Maybe Ike?
Colton 10.27.20	I respect that. And also enjoy fighting Ike, so yeah I say make him your secondary. Also cyg I’m down whenever, I’m playing rn
Cygnatti 10.27.20	I'll prob make a room in like 30 min, sorry that's later than we usually play bit I had to do homework first
Cygnatti 10.27.20	Im tryna get my non-sput friend to join in too
Colton 10.27.20	No worries
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	I heard you're really good Cyg
Cygnatti 10.27.20	Let's just say I'm good enough that the government taxes me for playing this game.
Colton 10.27.20	Get in the arena ars
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.27.20	Colton was talking shit in dischord the other day tho cyg Said you only good cuz you a "spam-queen". Said he could beat you 9 times out of 10 if you weren't such a "shook-ass lil bitch". Said if he had a better internet connection he'd "straight fuck [your] ass"
TheAntichrist 10.27.20	is there a sputnik pass thread?
Colton 10.27.20	Obviously pots that’s true of everyone I’ve ever lost to
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.27.20	He called you the "f" word
Colton 10.27.20	whoever faces Cygnatti first between you and Ars is the confirmed better user
Cygnatti 10.27.20	Made a room: 68CCN, 55 come join whenever ya can
Colton 10.27.20	Best W of my life lol. Your Sheik is scary though
Cygnatti 10.27.20	jesus christ these games are close
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	How do I join? I don't think we're friends on Switch uhh
Cygnatti 10.27.20	styling on colton with the raw vanish
Cygnatti 10.27.20	@ars, i posted the room code and pw up there
Cygnatti 10.27.20	"Joining a friend’s Battle Arena is much simpler than creating your own. To do so, select the Battle Arena option from the online menu and choose to join an arena. On the next page, select to join a friend’s arena rather than a public one." don't join "friend's arena" join the one that lets you input a code
Colton 10.27.20	Open up Smash, then hit Online, then Battle Arenas, then Enter Arena ID
Cygnatti 10.27.20	one of y'all doesn't have a LAN smh!
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	Okay, I'll join soon, smash it updating right now cuz I haven't played in months lol
Colton 10.27.20	Sorry Cyg, I can’t have a lan adapter cause I don’t have a router. It seemed better that last game tho
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	Don't wait for me, this update is slow as hell, only at 46% >:(
Colton 10.27.20	You’re duckin
Cygnatti 10.27.20	yeah it only seems bad when you play vs matic, which means he might not have one either
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.27.20	"jesus christ these games are close" not according to Colton, he just posted on dischord "crushin noobs at smash rn, no mercy for the weak"
Colton 10.27.20	Damn that up b was nice
Cygnatti 10.27.20	yeah, ya gotta go for them gambits sometimes
Colton 10.27.20	Damn that up b was also nice
Colton 10.27.20	Pots people were actually talking about you on discord today
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	Which discord lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.27.20	yeah people talk about me a lot
Colton 10.27.20	They were saying nice things about you behind your back
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.27.20	that's shocking them hoes in Olympus always be like "i'm staff, potsy is mean to me" and then sowing or someone be like "ignore him and he'll go away" but i don't
Colton 10.27.20	Ggs Cyg, sorry for the lag. It was good for some of the games lol
Colton 10.27.20	Yes that’s demonstrably false
evilford 10.27.20	Pots is the gift that keeps on giving
Cygnatti 10.27.20	there's a sputnik discord?
Cygnatti 10.27.20	ggs colton, Ars duckin'? Very sad!
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	There's like 3 I'm only in the Casual Conversation one though
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	Is it still happening? I can do it now lol
Cygnatti 10.27.20	nah lol I just ended, I'll let ya knew the next time I'm down tho
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	Damn okay
Colton 10.27.20	duuuuckin
Cygnatti 10.27.20	^^^^^
ArsMoriendi 10.27.20	I'll be there next time ! Well as long as it isn't months from now when another update happens lmao
Alondite 10.30.20	Damn I need to get in on this. Even wired the online is kind of dogshit and I suck with lag, but I need to find someone to play. I'm so, so out of practice.
nolerthebowler 10.30.20	I’ll host something tomorrow if people wanna join
Cygnatti 10.30.20	sounds lit
nolerthebowler 10.30.20	yeet. let’s say 6pm CST
nolerthebowler 10.30.20	No make it 7 I don’t need dinner interference
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	I’m gonna make it in about 15 minutes if anyone’s down
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	5977V / 696969 is there anybody out there
Cygnatti 10.31.20	I'll be down to play in like 30 min!
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	How long ago did you say that lol. I’ll keep an eye on the thread
Cygnatti 10.31.20	here now!
tectactoe 10.31.20	as a long time serious Mortal Kombat player (ranked in Top 300 on X360 for MK9) who just got Switch + Smash, I absolutely fucking suck at this game. it is obviously a very different game from MK but it's as though nearly none of the techniques or tactics carry over aside from very basic positional awareness. are there any good resources to learn the game from the ground up? "practice," i know, but goddamn i need to start with a template or something.
Cygnatti 10.31.20	damn, rip room
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	I’ll make a new one
Cygnatti 10.31.20	@tect, i personally think I'm really gr8 at teaching new ppl how to play this game, but unfortunately that usually requires hands on and *in-person* instruction so yeah... :(
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	GYFHL / 69
Cygnatti 10.31.20	bro that stage is NOT good lol
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	I like that you can actually taunt in battle arenas
Cygnatti 10.31.20	man, i'm purposefully waiting for you to get in line, but you don't wait for me lmao
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	ope my bad, will now
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	DE DE DE. DE DE DE. DE DE DE DE DE DE DE. who is matic
Cygnatti 10.31.20	matic is a friend, he's p good right?
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	yeah me and him are closer in skill level haha, ton of great matches
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	Hero’s awesome
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	I’m packing it up tho, good fights
Cygnatti 10.31.20	damn ggs fellas
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	Tectatoe: my best advice would be to just keep on trying new characters until you find one that matches your playstyle. If you really want some of those traditional fighting game skills to translate over, I’d give Ryu or Ken a try, or even better Terry if you have the DLC. But one of the biggest lessons is that the general movement in this game is much closer to a 2D platformer like Mario or Metroid than a Mortal Kombat-esque fighting game.
nolerthebowler 10.31.20	Definitely worth trying to git gud. Tons of new people have found smash skillz in the two years since ultimates release.
Madbutcher3 10.31.20	main difference between smash and mortal kombat is really that ultimate basically doesn't have reactionary whiff punishing cus of short move endlag, limited movement options and the high input delay so you should space to beat moves preemptively i think the other smash games are probably slightly better oriented to beginners from a fighting game perspective since more of the fundamentals are rewarded. smash 4, for all its problems, at least has a fairly clear rock paper scissors cus of run up shield beating a lot of defensive spacing, which ultimate lacks. despite all that it's pretty easy to learn ultimate since there aren't many specific advanced techniques to learn and the neutral has relatively few gimmicks.
Colton 10.31.20	damn I missed this round and tec a lot of people recommend this video series for beginners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta3L35wsE6o
Colton 10.31.20	I also recommend picking up a character that's good, but not overly complex and easy to pick up. Someone like Wolf, Roy, Chrom, or Bowser. I also recommend changing the controls so that the right stick does tilt attacks instead of smash attacks. Most people who are new to the game find it easier that way, and a lot of pros prefer that control setup too
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.31.20	I wish i liked wolf more than i do cuz he's a badass but damn i'm just not as good with him as falco and fox the angle of his up b is difficult for me to land
Cygnatti 10.31.20	Yeah his up B is much harder than theirs. I would say that wolf is a bit better than both, in every other respect tho.
Madbutcher3 11.01.20	i think fox is maybe a slight bit better than wolf but his punish game is more complicated, in terms of recovery wolf is definitely easiest to kill at low percents and he racks up damage more slowly
nolerthebowler 11.01.20	Johnny Napalm from Guitar Hero for smash. Every song is Freebird.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.01.20	After playing the new hyrule warriors demo impa is like my number one fantasy pick as a DLC character tbh Her moveset in that game is I N S A N E
nolerthebowler 11.01.20	I’d be down, Zelda has needed more reps since brawl, and impa’s name has always been thrown around, in various forms.
nolerthebowler 11.01.20	I’d also take Midna w/wolf link, skull kid, ghirahim, any of the champions, or even Tingle. Tingle makes me laugh and the salt would be incredible.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.01.20	In the new game you like cast symbols on enemies and absorb them to grant temporary power ups and create more duplicates of yourself to fuck shit up with and i could see smash working with that mechanic really well. Shes straight up on some naruto shit and would make a very unique ninja type for smash I think. She can also combo herself into the air and then open up a paraglider which would be a dope recovery mechanic
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.01.20	Honestlyya I'm down for any zelda reps
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.01.20	Knowing smash if they made midna/wolf link they'd cut corners by usinc the duck hunt model as a starting point lmao
nolerthebowler 11.01.20	Have any of you ever checked out Super Smash Flash 2? That game has a ton of fan favs that I wish would make the cut like Isaac, Bomberman, Lloyd, Krystal and Sora. But that game’s Bandana Waddle Dee takes the cake as the best designed character, and has really made me think he’d be a great addition for Ultimate. A balance between beam and spear attacks, with the floatiness of Kirby or Puff. The Kirby Series also needs more characters.
nolerthebowler 11.01.20	I think the ninja archetype character in this pass will be Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden almost guaranteed. That’s the DLC character I’m most confident in.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.02.20	is that like a fanmade flash game
nolerthebowler 11.02.20	Yeah but it’s been in development for like a decade, and has tons of talented developers. Lots of cool fan servicey stages in beautiful pixel art. Handles nicely too.
nolerthebowler 11.02.20	https://www.mcleodgaming.com/games/ssf2 Here’s a link to its official page, it’s super legit. Even some smash pros are into it.
Madbutcher3 11.02.20	i know lunary who was one of the best ssf2 players around 2014-2016, game looks fun but the graphics do make it a little offputting in terms of visual feedback
Colton 11.02.20	it looks cool, I just have no interest in switching from one fighting game to another very similar fighting game when I'm just starting to kind of sort of sometimes be good at this one
nolerthebowler 11.02.20	I’d never play SSF2 enough to actually be competitive in it, but it’s a nice diversion from Ultimate when I wanna smash without the stress. It’s fun to try out all of the game’s unique movesets, they do a terrific job designing characters in the spirit of Smash. Waluigi is the bomb.
nolerthebowler 11.02.20	Like if you wanna know how characters like Waluigi, Rayman, Tails, Black Mage (personal fav) or Bomberman would handle if they ever did make the cut in Ultimate, SSF2 is definitely worth checking out. Plus, ya know, it’s free
nolerthebowler 11.02.20	There’s even mad combo game
Cygnatti 11.02.20	I remember being in high school when SSF2 was still in beta lol. SSF2 is very funny, and has some relativley unique characteristics compared to the real games (some good and some bad). Ofc, I'd never try and be competitive with it.
Colton 11.02.20	what controller do you play it with?
Cygnatti 11.02.20	just keyboard lol, I played Smash 64 on keyboard for years (also casually)
Colton 11.03.20	that's deeply disturbing
Darius The Imposter 11.03.20	Just got myself ssbu, unlocked everyone, about to 100% the campaign, time to head on Anthers Ladder 😶
Cygnatti 11.03.20	@colton, you think that's bad? me and 2 of my brothers would play smash 64 multiplayer three-for-all, all on the same keyboard xD
Colton 11.03.20	you are a monster
Keyblade 11.03.20	I used to play smash 64 on keyboard with my bro back in the day. was super fun. back then items were OP, and we had a meta that revolved around dropping items like swords on the other's head for quick ko's
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.03.20	How the fuck do you play smash 64 on a keyboard I dont even understand
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.03.20	Were you emulating it on ur comp ? If yes fucking why
Keyblade 11.03.20	yea I was lol. because it was 2007 and all I did was emulate games back then. trust me when I say by that point keyboard comes second nature to u lmao. til this day I still feel on some games like damn this felt better on keyboard
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.03.20	ohh 2007 i was picturing you guys as small children growing up emulating smash on your comps like get these poor kids a fucking nintendo
Keyblade 11.03.20	bro don't even remind me, my parents did eventually get me a nintendo but like way too late. I got an n64 like a year before GC came out lmfao. before that I was rocking an og NES with the same 3 games. dudes were talking about San Andreas and I'm just playing Mario 64 for the first time
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.03.20	LOL
Colton 11.03.20	my brother and I were allowed to play Vice City when it came out as long as we just drove around in cars and didn't shoot anybody or run anyone over
Cygnatti 11.03.20	"yea I was lol. because it was 2007 and all I did was emulate games back then. trust me when I say by that point keyboard comes second nature to u lmao. til this day I still feel on some games like damn this felt better on keyboard" Literally the same. When I was a kid, I had Sega Genesis + SNES (both only temporarily) and then the only consoles I had were GBA, DS, handhelds only until the Wii (in 2009ish? late af). Never owned N64 or GC, so naturally, my brothers and I just emulated a bunch of games. As for non-Nintendo stuff, it was like "dark" or "violent" so my parents never got em and I didn't get to play most PS or XBox games unless it was like Dragon Ball Z, amusingly lmao.
Cygnatti 11.03.20	omg I still remember the story. My parents never wanted to buy my brothers and I consoles (I started buying my own games in middleschool, but consoles were too much for me), so I had to finesse them into it. Basically, we would go to a cousin or family friend's house, play their Wii with the kids, and then get their parents to watch us play and they would tell my parents "look how great this game is, you should get it too!" Worked like a charm lmao.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.03.20	not buying your children an n64 in the 90s should have been a criminal offence
aydross121 11.03.20	My parents bought me Conker's Bad Fur Day as my 11th birthday or so, then immediately banned me for playing it after actually knowing what it was all about lol. Still played in secrecy, but got stuck on the disco level for ages.
Keyblade 11.03.20	I remember when CBFD came out and playing it on those tv/console combos at like Staples. that and McDonald's is actually how I played a lot of N64 games now that I think of it
Cygnatti 11.03.20	I've sadly never played Super Mario 64 on an actual 64 controller. But man, did I waste hours just flying in the first stage on my laptop... Miss those days
Colton 11.03.20	the flying in that level is painful
Cygnatti 11.03.20	I had the time of my life, idc idc
tectactoe 11.05.20	I still suck at this game (first Smash game I've ever played besides drunk at house parties) but I'm getting a little more comfortable. Still need to master the basics before graduating to more advances techniques. Ran through the character list and after one quick pass, I feel the most comfortable with Samus and Mr. Game & Watch. So I've been practicing mostly with G&W because he is more "fun" to play. Plus he gives me mad nostalgia.
Madbutcher3 11.05.20	i used to play keyboard 64 off a memory stick at school, honestly very fun
Cygnatti 11.12.20	Imma make a room around 9 est if anyone is down
Cygnatti 11.12.20	0b9tx | 55 someone come join :]
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	So what do we think of this Big House/Slippi situation? I have thoughts, but I’m curious what you guys think first.
Keyblade 11.20.20	do I dare google this
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.20	what is slippi
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	it’s not a heinous controversy like the stuff from a few months ago. Just a questionable C&D from nintendo.
Colton 11.20.20	slippi is a thing that lets people play Melee online. It's used for online tournaments, but Nintendo just sent a cease and desist to a tourney that uses slippi
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	Slippi is a mod people made for Melee to allow it to have a functional online service with rollback netcode. It’s not made by Nintendo however, and a HUGE tournament just got shut down by Nintendo for attempting to use Slippi to run the Melee portion of the event.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.20	isnt nintendo pretty notorious for unloading C&D's at anything and everything under the sun
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	Oh for sure
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	And honestly, idk what people expected would happen. I think, while the timing sucks, Nintendo is acting within their rights. They aren’t big on pirating and emulation, which is completely understandable.
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	Slippi is so useful for people because of pandemic ruining all in-person events tho... it really is a shitty situation.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.20	its a bit annoying that they care so much and are so anal retentive about these kinds of things but yeah it's kind of their prerogative at the end of the day
ArsMoriendi 11.20.20	Smash BROSE Fun stuff
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	melee kids are losing their fucking minds over it
Cygnatti 11.20.20	oh shit, that's tuff but like not too surprising
tectactoe 11.20.20	Dudes okay, so I've been practicing and getting a little better (this is my first serious Smash game), watching lots of videos online for techniques etc., and whenever I start doing really well against the CPU, I get super confident only to hop online and get fucking destroyed. Is this normal? Every now and then I will win a match, but in those cases the opponent is, like, ostensibly terrible. Any time I play someone who appears to have even a shred of skill, it's like everything I thought I knew goes out the window and my autism kicks in and I just mash the controller and get owned. Or I sit back and play overly defensive only for the opponent to rush me, break my shield, or grab me and full combo me. I hate this game.
Colton 11.20.20	that's normal when you start playing online yeah. but the more you lose, the lower your rank goes, so you should get matched with less skilled opponents. Just keep at it and you'll eventually get better. and then the game becomes super fun
Colton 11.20.20	also what character are you playing?
tectactoe 11.20.20	Been maining Mr. Game & Watch. He seems to be the one I'm most comfortable with so far, though there are a lot of characters I haven't explored at all yet. I occasionally play with are Wii Fit Trainer and Roy, but G&W the only character I've truly been "studying". I know one thing I need to do is start utilizing his low crouch more instead of blocking, to avoid the block stun. I just panic whenever anyone gets close to me and whip out a knee-jerk shield, only to be grabbed and combo'd.
Cygnatti 11.20.20	tbh, it's kinda normal yes. playing vs cpu is very different than playing vs other players
Colton 11.20.20	in that case, have you tried spamming up b and down air? should work pretty well
Cygnatti 11.20.20	@tectactoe, blocking with Mr. G&W is very powerful and really is broken. You'll need to master being able do his "up B out of shield" technique. Definitely watch how Maister plays and try to do what he does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hz2_qQJZfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42unDcwcDH0
Cygnatti 11.20.20	^colton speaks the truth. just run around a lot, switch between dash attack and dash grab. and spam his bair on shields and also spam up B and dair.
tectactoe 11.20.20	Yeah, I have the Up B OOS down pretty well and it saves my ass a lot of the time, though I have a really bad habit of almost always trying to follow up with a Dair which gets me punished after a while because it becomes predictable. I need to work on my mix ups, that's probably my weakest spot right now. When I get in the heat of battle I just resort to bad tactics. I did not know you could "dash grab" - sounds dumb but I guess I just never tried it haha, that might be helpful because whenever I land a grab, I can usually link a decent combo from Down Throw to either Nair+ Nair or Nair + Up B or something. The other thing I need to get more comfortable with is RARing, because G&W has an amazing Bair, but his Fair is comparatively weak and highly situational. So a lot of times when edge guarding and intending to throw out a Bair, I'll fuck up the RAR and toss out a useless Fair bomb. I have been using two jump buttons to do my short hops because apparently I can't release my finger quick enough to do it with one button. For now this is more consistent for me but I know it's also probably not optimal. But I've been trying to work on my short hop cross ups, like short hop Nairs which is another great G&W attack. Similarly, though, I throw out an accidental Fair about 50% of the time because I Didn't take my left thumb off the joystick fast enough to register as a neutral attack lol. My reflexes need to step it up.
Colton 11.20.20	the fact that you're even thinking about RARing shows you're on the right track. I also struggled with doing fairs by accident when I was new to them. Just remember, turn around and THEN jump, and then attack.
Cygnatti 11.20.20	I strongly suggest learning how to short hop with a single jump button AND to keep practicing RAR, but this is good stuff. If people keep grabbing you, then I want you to start spamming spotdodge (and then up B lol) or spamming roll when people run at you. Low and mid-level players have a really hard time dealing with spotdodge, and on wifi, there's basically no drawback.
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	“have you tried spamming up b and down air? should work pretty well” hahaha sigh
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	yeah that indeed works. have you tried ness?
aydross121 11.20.20	yeah this slippi shit got to trending #1 on twitter lol
Cygnatti 11.20.20	oh did it? i should check then
aydross121 11.20.20	Yeah the memes are good
aydross121 11.20.20	https://twitter.com/Bomgeisha/status/1329552512639262722
Cygnatti 11.20.20	gonna reactivate just to talk to trash on nintendo
tectactoe 11.20.20	Thanks for the tips, guys. Like I said, I come from a heavy Mortal Kombat background, so I understand and am familiar with much of the generic terminology, strategy, and mechanics of fighting games, but obviously Smash is still waaaaaay different than MK at a more in-depth level, and so while I *understand* a lot of what I need to be doing, I am having trouble executing most of it right now lol. Hell, it took me a while to get used to not using "up" to jump, and even longer to get comfortable jumping with the ZL button, but now that I finally got the hang of it, it has made navigating and doing quick aerials much easier. You're right about the spot dodge. That's one of those things i KNOW i need to be using, but when I start getting pummeled in-game, I have a massive brain fart and completely forget about it, and just keep holding shield like a dummy. I also didn't realize you could roll *through* somebody. I mean, I'm sure I have seen it happen but I don't think I registered it until you explicitly said it. But yeah, gotta start using the spot dodges more often. I've also been working on parrying and teching, both of which are at, like, a 25% success rate for me haha. Most of the time I don't even bother attempting parries in online matches because of the lag and because I have a variety of more reliable options for escaping an attack. Regarding RARs, what's funny is that I'm actually better at doing it mid-stage, when I am running with momentum. For whatever reason, I can pull them off fairly easily doing the quick tap in the opposite direction, jumping, then continuing my momentum forward and doing a Bair. It's when I have my opponent off the stage and I'm standing still at the edge. I will literally face away from them, but when I go to do the jump -> turn around really quickly, I either end up turning around before jumping (and thus turning my Bair into a Fair), or exaggerating the delay too much and my off-stage momentum sucks, so I will execute a Bair but won't even reach my opponent lol. It's almost like...the more time my brain has to actually think about executing the move properly, the more likely I'll fuck it up lol. Any other characters you guys would recommend learning? I really only chose G&W for the nostalgia factor and cool character design, then ended up liking the way he felt. Like I said, I occasionally play with Wii Fit Trainer because I also like her moveset, but I haven't really gone too in depth with her yet. Any others you might recommend? Olimar looks interesting. As does Steve. They both seem somewhat gimmicky, but imo that's part of what sets Smash apart from other fighting games like MK.
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	Try Terry dude. He's got insane (and useful) gimmicks, plus should activate the MK part of your brain. I think he's so much more fun than Ryu and Ken.
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	I'm just loving how all melee fans are becoming Copyright Law experts in the past 1 day.
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	Everyone with #FreeMelee on twitter is like "I HATE NINTENDO, CORPORATE FUCKS, IF YOU SYMPATHIZE YOU ARE A SHILL, THEY ARE BASICALLY EA" "that being said, my entire life revolves around the content nintendo creates"
tectactoe 11.20.20	Alright cool, I will give Terry a shot. Don't think I've used him once yet, honestly lol.
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	Dope! I'm glad you bought the DLC, some really fun characters in the Fighter Passes.
Colton 11.20.20	“so while I *understand* a lot of what I need to be doing, I am having trouble executing most of it right now lol.“ Can relate. Smash is like that, it’s fairly simple in concept but difficult in execution. You should try an easy character that does well on wifi, and can kill easily. Bowser and Chrom are good for that.
Colton 11.20.20	And I side with the Melee players tbh, Nintendo is only doing this because slippi makes their online look like shit
Pheromone 11.20.20	every time i see this thread i think someone has made a 'who would you fuck' on sput thread
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	“And I side with the Melee players tbh, Nintendo is only doing this because slippi makes their online look like shit“ Yeah I definitely agree on that. I’m a proponent of emulation and modding in general, if Nintendo won’t add online or support to their product (not that anyone thought that they would), there’s nothing stopping fans from doing it themselves. But one of the most important rules of emulation and modding is to know what NOT to do; the things that will get you the big C&D from Nintendo. And frankly, people pushing for Slippi being used on a broad scale were being short-sighted. No company in Nintendo’s position is going to allow a modded version of their game in a sponsored event, no company ever. The best you could hope for is if Nintendo financed the project and hired its creators, but there is a 0% chance Nintendo would consider that for a GameCube game.
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	I’ll bet you Nintendo’s gonna go after Slippi in its entirety now.
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	Just because something is fun (and makes Nintendo’s offering look shitty) doesn’t mean it should be legal. Same goes for Project M, imo. Or Super Smash Flash 2. All of that is hella fun, but tournament organizers have to be aware of how far they can legally take it.
Pheromone 11.20.20	thanks for asking, id smash mort
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	joke that wasn’t funny
Pheromone 11.20.20	im only 12
Keyblade 11.20.20	skele joins the chat
nolerthebowler 11.20.20	rescint
Cygnatti 11.20.20	@tect, G&W generally doesn't need to parry. You're better of just holding shield and either nair or bair out of shield, or just up shield. HOWEVER, once they're like 120% or higher, you'll want to parry into f tilt or dash attack because they are his most reliable kill moves. If you're cheeky tho, you can parry into down smash when they're at like 60%, and kill them with f smash. Honestly, you can kinda just throw out down smash and spot dodge and then down smash again (roll if you miss the 2nd one) when the game is really close. Down smash has an insanely skewed risk-reward ratio.
aydross121 11.20.20	"I’d smash you 😈" "im only 12" do you guys play ultimate by any chance?
Cygnatti 11.20.20	Pheromone has been on this site almost as long as I am, he's prob like 24 lmao
GreyShadow 11.20.20	#freemelee
tectactoe 11.21.20	@Cyg - Good point about the parries, never tried doing it into D smash, I usually just go for F tilt. I do love D smash as an attack, though. It's become a very valuable part of my arsenal. A sweetspot bury + F smash is easy stock at relatively low percentages. And even if you hit the sourspot, the launch angle is pretty nice. Relatively fast attack, too, considering it hits on both sides. Though I've never considering doing spot dodge + another D smash if the first one is blocked or missed. That's a great idea. Won a few matches this afternoon that boosted my confidence. Granted I'm only around 2.5 mil GSP lol but I guess everyone starts somewhere. Last match was against a pretty decent Mega Man, we both were down to one stock, both somewhere around 70-80% and he started spamming his arm gun. Made one well timed jump toward him, held out my Down B, he instantly filled the bucket, immediately oil splashed him for the win. Was awesome.
aydross121 11.21.20	mmm don't know much about g&w, but something I always recommend to newer players is not too look at your own char, but at the opponent's instead.
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	“immediately oil splashed him for the win. Was awesome.“ yesss very satisfying way to end the match.
Colton 11.21.20	a lot of people say that but realistically your eyes should be going back and forth between your character and your opponent's
GreyShadow 11.21.20	i think it's a good thing for low level players to be looking at their opponent to not only know where they are but pickup on playstyle/habits. after that it's really more about watching where your opponent is but being very conscious of where you are in relation to them and what options are available
aydross121 11.21.20	yeah it's just to get the hang of neutral game for beginners
Madbutcher3 11.21.20	i think the whole slippi situation is very sad, hopefully ludwig's big charity tourney can get nintendo to back off since i have to imagine c&d'ing a charity event would be a complete PR disaster. regarding the "looking at your opponent" thing I think i tend to looks specifically at the space between me and my opponent usually which is good for determining approach ranges but it's not like it's something i've consciously done
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	They won't shut down Ludwig's charity tournament, that isn't a giant Nintendo sponsored event. They didn't even shut down Summit, which used slippi.
Cygnatti 11.21.20	"a lot of people say that but realistically your eyes should be going back and forth between your character and your opponent's" [2]
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	Would probs be down to play tonight. Cyg? Coltron?
Colton 11.21.20	gonna be watching some ufc fights tn but I'm down tomorrow
Colton 11.21.20	also I'm starting to agree with you on Slippi after seeing all these angry people on twitch talking about how evil Nintendo is
Colton 11.21.20	I think it's shitty that they won't just allow it but why are peope surprised
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	word.
TheAntichrist 11.21.20	if i finger my usb port, will one of yous feel it?
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	my biggest takeaway from this Slippi-Scandal is that melee isn’t going anywhere. If this many people can vocalize support for the honor of a 20 year-old game, idt one cancelled tournament is going to fade the entire scene into irrelevancy. People will continue to use Slippi, too.
tectactoe 11.21.20	what’s the main reason for so many people still playing Brawl rather than migrating to one of the newer (or newest) iteration of Smash? i say this as someone brand new to the smash scene as of one month ago lol.
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	like why would anyone who religiously plays melee just stop cold-turkey because of this. lol
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	Nobody plays brawl, they play melee. Certain characters in melee are just extremely responsive and have rediculous moveset potential, and the entire meta of the game has started to revolve around those, like, 5 characters. People have found some 9999 IQ exploits to be better than you.
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	things that make no intuitive sense, the only way to be good is practice and study
Colton 11.21.20	tbh I think Melee lives on because there’s so many competitors who are top level players in Melee but not that great at Ultimate. I know a lot of people love the game and the movement is more technical than Ult but there’s so much more money and potential viewership with Ult that I think every melee player would move to Ult if they could
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	plus Ultimate is objectively more fun, objectively
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	melee taught me about the lottery as a child
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	melee has great single player content. I can remember the methods to unlock characters to this day. On the first level of Adveture mode you have to end your time with the number 2 to get Luigi !
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	individualized target smash. yes
Colton 11.21.20	I've never played anything other than Ultimate sadly but I've heard there's some cool stuff
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	damn
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	I have three older brothers and they started playing smash 64 right when I was born so I’ve been around smash legit my entire life
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	and I’m still just ~pretty good~ haha.
Cygnatti 11.21.20	I'm down to play tonight or tomorrow whichever. And no, melee players still play melee because they loved the game so much that when brawl came out they hated it competitively. So much that many of them just went back and kept playing and have done so since (2008). If anyone wants to know more, I'd recommend watching the Melee Doc. It's VERY long, just a warning tho lol. There's a lot of smash history lol. And this doc only covers like 2003-2013 or so. It was supposed to have at least one more episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSf2mgkRm7Q&list=PLoUHkRwnRH-IXbZfwlgiEN8eXmoj6DtKM
bloodshy 11.21.20	How do i unsubscribe from this thread? I don't even play this.
Colton 11.21.20	Hmmm I could delete your comments for you but I’m not sure if you deserve it tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.20	reap what ya sow hoe
Colton 11.21.20	Fair enough Cyg, I’ve been meaning to check out that documentary
Colton 11.21.20	Gonna shoutbox Bloodshy Smash videos and articles from time to time now
bloodshy 11.21.20	Reported
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.20	im not a big enough nerd to have ever gotten into the technical dweeb shit of melee so i don't feel strongly about it being the best game in the franchise this is going to be a scolding hot take for all of you competitive guys but Brawl might be my favourite tbqh and there are three reasons for that: 1. its the one i've played the most with my friends as a young adult (i've gotten a fraction of the mileage out of the following two in terms of couch co-op just due to circumstance) 2. Diddy Kong was OP as fuck on Brawl and he was one of my favourite characters to play in the entire franchise on that instalment - haven't cared much for him since 3. Zelda was also OP and playing couch coop with a full group and just spamming them with her side b detonation bomb makes me rock hard
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.20	Wii U is probably my least favourite although, another scolding hot take, even though 64 was my favourite game ever when i was a kid, I've found it to have aged abysmally and be virtually unplayable.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.20	anyone ever play space station silicon valley ?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.20	64 - It is the first one Melee - Best speed, best controllers Brawl - My favourite OPs, I'm probably the best at this one due to that Wii U - Uhh there are some new characters Ultimate - OMFG ALL THE CHARACTERS
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	Brawl was dope. Cool aesthetic, introduced the rest of the “essential” Nintendo characters imo. Awesome story mode. Not the best competitive game tho, which is why it went by the wayside pretty quick.
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	Smash 4 was a stepping stone for ultimate, but it’s not worth much anymore.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.20	Yeah competitive people really fucking hated it I gather but I thought it was awesome. Great roster for sure. After that is when they started adding a lot of "what the fuck" characters lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.20	Yeah 4 kinda just felt like an ultimate beta
Colton 11.21.20	from what I've heard, people didn't like Brawl because of tripping and Meta Knight. And people liked Smash 4 until Cloud and Bayo came out. Luckily Ultimate fixed the trend of broken ass characters
Colton 11.21.20	it's weird seeing Smash 4 clips and seeing people get launched so slowly
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.20	I thought brawl was the one that people felt was slow. And Cloud was literally the best character on smash 4 haha I liked tripping, i get if I was into comp I'd hate it but for a casual super smash is all about the random element that can kind of level the playing field. Having items and smash balls and flukes like tripping can make match ups with friends who are varying degrees of skill a lot less one sided etc
Colton 11.21.20	pretty sure Bayo is seen as the best in Smash 4 and yeah but they could have just made it optional like items are, would be an easy fix
tectactoe 11.21.20	The Wii in general was kind of a shit tier console tbh.
aydross121 11.21.20	Brawl's soundtrack was also really good. The main track is so hype.
aydross121 11.21.20	Also, I feel like one of the reasons lots of people gravitate to Melee is because for some holy reason, lots of the people at the top play with different characters. for the top 10 for the last ssbm rank (2019) there where: 2 Fox 2 Marth 1 Jigglypuff 1 Sheik 1 Yoshi 1 Falcon 1 Pikachu 1 Falco so tourneys are almost never a fox fest, which is pretty cool
Colton 11.21.20	That's more true for Ultimate though. The game forces you to play different characters because one character can't optimally cover every matchup. There are some people who solo main characters but at top level it's pretty rare
Cygnatti 11.21.20	@LordePots, I love brawl and I think it's very underappreciated. But I will definitely say I have problems with its balancing. I prob have more hours in brawl than in any other game tbh. Idk if I still do but I certainly did when I was younger. Music was great too. Stage builder was great. Subspace was super fun. etc
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	Ultimate is just a dream-come-true game for me. I was kinda losing interest in smash near the end of Smash 4’s life span, the Wii U was such a lackluster console that I didn’t have high hopes for the future. It was about a decade between Brawl and 4 so I was prepared for another hiatus. My curiosity toward the switch had just piqued when they dropped the OG Ultimate trailer with the Inklings on the white background. That was a HOLY SHIT moment, and then the Everyone is Here trailer... HOLY SHIT x5.
nolerthebowler 11.21.20	Ultimate feels like this classic picture becoming a reality: https://images.app.goo.gl/G3gRbK2CitZUmurq8
aydross121 11.21.20	@Colton agree. Ultimate's calling card is that virtually all characters are at least usable in tourneys. But was just mentioning that specifically to melee because lots of people in the top 100 do use mostly fox, but the top 10 is really varied, it's like a weird coincidence that imo has helped melee staying relevant.
Keyblade 11.21.20	brawl definitely the best 4 player couch party game. it had the perfect blend of stages and items and that floaty mechanic worked better in free for alls seriously they need to bring back that rocket launcher, that caused mayhem
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	Lmao I forgot about that rocket launcher that thing was the shit
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	"pretty sure Bayo is seen as the best in Smash 4" I meant for me not in general of course
Madbutcher3 11.22.20	in general i prefer melee because it has deeper neutral options and much more entertaining punish game. as someone who has played melee, smash 4 and ultimate in tournament, i think the latter two don't really scratch the same itch because their punish game is either more limited or less creative. Smash 4 I think is genuinely pretty decent competitively because the neutral is pretty balanced, shielding is good but it has more advanced techniques and more precise movement than ult so there are more options to deal with it. the poor balance, new ledge mechanics and slow pace are probably its biggest problems, but i think it does a lot right compared to ult ult is kinda sloppy feeling cus of the mix of input lag and buffer, and movement feels more uncontrolled since run up shield isn't really a thing. moving forward is more committal, reaction whiff punishing is more or less impossible vs most approaches, shield is generally much worse. i think it is initially "fun" because it is by far the easiest to reach an "aesthetically" top level of play in, but almost every competitive ultimate player i know complains about the overall macro neutral being kind of campy as a result of the bad whiff punishing melee by comparison has more fluid combos, more clear disadvantage positions, more mixups, more mechanics, fewer but deeper matchups. i also think it just feels better to play physically than the others, pressing buttons and doing good sequences is very satisfying and i feel like the only times that really occurs in the other games is doing a bread and butter combo which is just not the same
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	sounds like you just haven’t played ultimate enough and are more used to melee tbh. (which is perfectly fine and understandable)
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	Ultimate is SO much better than smash 4 competitively. Impossible to go back.
Madbutcher3 11.22.20	i played ultimate at weekly tourneys for about a year so no smash 4 has specific issues (mostly garbage balance and boring pace), ultimate has core issues with neutral rps because they gutted shielding and the overall level of control you have is worse than any other smash game
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	Honestly shields have felt a bit weaker or a bit more difficult to effectively use this gen to me
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	I'm not gonna argue the technical BS because frankly idk and idc, but saying the level of control in Ult is worse than any other Smash game just can't be correct.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	Tbf from a normie perspective arguing deep technical differences between all smash games is kind of lol. But there are a few subtle things I do notice between entries.
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	People who only know Bread & Butter combos will give you 70% in the first 5 seconds of the match, and then turn around and get their asses supremely handed to them. Which is always satisfying cuz fuck those youtube nerds.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	I dont even know wat that means
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	People think Ultimate is only combo game, so they "learn their character" by going on youtube and memorizing two or three "essential combos." And then that's all they ever do. Players like that are usually pretty easy to identify, and usually suck ass at the game's core gameplay.
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	they'll surprise you at first, and then their repetitive habits will be extremely easy to read.
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	I wanna play MadButcher in Ultimate now since his neutral and shield game probably sucks, lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	i see in melee and brawl I was an absolute shield/dodge god (within the contexts of my friend group) but with ultimate and maybe even 4 I've noticed I get clipped by attacks in between dodging and shielding much more often. I can't say for sure if it's that i'm just old and rusty or if its actually to do with mechanics but it certainly does feel a bit nerfed
Colton 11.22.20	that's why I take the opposite approach and learn no combos lol and what madbutcher said strikes me as accurate
Get Low 11.22.20	Wish you guys played Melee.
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	as much as I like marth fox and falco, no
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	I did play melee like 15 years ago, was great.
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	if anything, that shield nerf makes people less reliant on shields and rolls. (Roll addiction was my biggest gameplay flaw before Ultimate)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	if anything that shield nerf made me worse at the game
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	as it should spammer
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	spoken like a true noob who couldn't lay a finger on me
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	Nol’s Bowl Switch FC: 6145-4250-4829 pull uppppp. waiting on yo ass I don’t play 😤
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	well of course you'd fuck me up on ultimate, i have no doubt about that i'm just sayin on brawl u might as well be throwin punches at ghosts
Madbutcher3 11.22.20	there is definitely less control over movement than other smash games. there are lots of situations where buffer can cause unintentional airdodges/rolls where you were trying to shield, the dash dance mechanics are a lot sloppier than melee cus they're kind of an altered version of smash 4 foxtrotting, the jump buffer is infamously annoying for fulljump followups, since you can't shield in the middle of dash you can't easily position to outspace an option with shield. it's a very muddy feel even compared to brawl and smash 4 which are slow but at least somewhat precise i guess the easiest way to explain the shield thing is to compare the counterplay to marth aerials in melee to lucina aerials in ultimate, in melee you can run up shield or whiff punish easily with a fast character, whereas in ult the dash dance mechanics are simply too sluggish to whiff punish and you have to commit wayyy too early to reliably run up shield because of how much longer it takes to do it
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	Idk man I’m actually a bigger fan of brawl than most. Probably my second most played. I only use the mod that puts M.O.D.O.K. in the game over ROB tho.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	"mod that puts M.O.D.O.K. in the game" hilarious
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	We get it, Ultimate is unfiltered garbage
Madbutcher3 11.22.20	brawl is cool but so cheesy, best single player though
Colton 11.22.20	Can't even imagine how much up b spam I would unleash on the world if shields in Ultimate were better
Madbutcher3 11.22.20	nah noler u were like "melee players only don't play ultimate cus they're not that good at it" which is very ignorant, tryna explain why i don't think you're correct. ult is fun but i think it is rather frustrating coming from other smash games
Colton 11.22.20	pretty sure I said that actually, but I was referring to people who stream and play competitively for money. If they could just migrate over to Ultimate and be top level players I'm sure they would, though I don't deny they also love the mechanics of Melee
Colton 11.22.20	but it's tough being a melee player in 2020
Madbutcher3 11.22.20	oh my bad i think it's true for some of them like hbox, but even the ones who were good at ult (leffen) didn't like it compared to melee
Colton 11.22.20	I'm surprised more people don't follow in Hbox's footsteps, he's not amazing at Ult but just seeing him try gets people so hyped up and people donate like $1000 every time he streams it
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	I never said that shit lol
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	melee players would never migrate to ultimate, especially not the big names
Madbutcher3 11.22.20	yeh my bad bro i got u mixed up with colton
Colton 11.22.20	seeing a melee god enter an Ultimate tourney is like the best possible storyline in Smash though
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	would the ruckus be brought to them
Madbutcher3 11.22.20	well yeh watch leffen vs mr. r dreamhack winter
nolerthebowler 11.22.20	leffen is a whiner of course he doesn’t like ult
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	"yeh my bad bro i got u mixed up with colton" HAH BURN
Colton 11.22.20	smh that's Nolton not Colton
Colton 11.22.20	but at least Nolton has the balls to actually show up in an arena and scrap
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	I've never once flexed like i think i would stand a chance against any of you guys, it wouldn't even be fun
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	i'll fight you irl tho if you want
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	i wouldnt fight niltnort tho
aydross121 11.22.20	These criticisms from Madbutcher also do make sense to me. Even multiple top ultimate players share that the game benefits very defensive playstyles. If you approach you are at a disadvantage already. But I don't see how 4 was better lol, I can't even imagine playing that one again.
Colton 11.22.20	this thread had 847 comments and then I refreshed and it had 845, weird
Colton 11.22.20	Pots I will ankle pick you
Colton 11.22.20	oh it's cause Bigglestein got banned
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	yo if ur gonna go for an ankle pick in an actual fight i better start praying for you now lmao
Keyblade 11.22.20	4 is almost unplayable going back from ultimate. it even looks weird
sixdegrees 11.22.20	they straight up iced him, total account wipe im literally shaking
Keyblade 11.22.20	what even is the point of that at this point lol did he do something?
sixdegrees 11.22.20	wrote wrongthink reviews that made people sad :(
Colton 11.22.20	he gave MBDTF a 6/10. that type of bravery is simply not allowed here
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	Dude what the fuck
Keyblade 11.22.20	the sputnik wiki is about to be under heavy maintenance
Colton 11.22.20	mods must be pissed cause they didn't even let me post a RIP list
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.22.20	Wow
Cygnatti 11.22.20	@Get Low, I play melee and tbh I'd prob body you in that too :] idrc, I like all the smash games for different reasons, casually and competitively.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.23.20	I like them all too Casually The attempts at single player mode have been whack af over the last few gens tho
Cygnatti 11.23.20	The rumor goes that Sakurai was so pissed off that people leaked Subspace Emissary (I think basically the entire thing was leaked?) that he didn't want to bother making something like that again. If that's true, the I kinda don't blame him tbh.
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	Subspace Emissary was peak smash bros! Biggle got banned? I’m surprised.
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	Did he deserve it? Probably. Did everyone warn him? Yes.
Colton 11.23.20	he took it pretty well honestly
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	rip
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	not really
Colton 11.23.20	no mods no masters
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	“no mods no masters” Nintendo’s reasoning for C&D-ing Big House
Colton 11.23.20	lol. can't have people mastering Melee or it might deter all the casual players who only own Gamecubes and no other consoles from buying it
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	they’ve literally never resold a smash game before I realized. Like even on the Wii U virtual console, which had just about every notable n64 and Wii game (for some reason GC was glosses over), all the Mario’s and Mario karts and Pokemans, but they never had the old smash games. I’m starting to think it might be Sakurai and the Smash devs who embargo the old games more than corporate Nintendo. Nintendo just seems much less strict towards distribution of other franchises, idk. But these kids would have an existential crises if they realized they are really criticizing their God Hero Sakurai and not corporate Nintendo schmucks.
Colton 11.23.20	isn't Sakurai just the head developer? I don't think he really cares that much tbh. That is weird though. You could buy Mario Kart Wii on Wii U?
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	Yeah you could. The Switch’s lack of virtual console options are IMO, the worst thing Nintendo has done since the switch launched. Would be the PERFECT console to play all old games, and they probably know that, which is why they are milking it for all it’s worth. Joycon drift is fucking annoying too.
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	I think Sakurai cares more than people realize. I’m sure he’d prefer if people moved to Ultimate. Fighting games are just weird IP’s to protect, too. Everyone is like “If Sony or Microsoft did this you’d rip them apart!!” But that’s not even a fair comparison, because neither company has a fighting game that holds a candle to smash (killer instinct, lol). The real question is “would Capcom intervene if a company promoted the use of a modded version of Street Fighter 2 or Marvel V Capcom 2 in an officially sponsored tournament? Uh, fuck yeah they would.
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	Another question worth thinking about is “Why do Copyright Laws exist in the first place? What scenarios are they protecting the company from?”
Cygnatti 11.23.20	Reminder that Disney bribes the feds so that they can extend the Mickey Mouse copyright. He's legit supposed to be public domain by now but Disney is so damn greedy and evil. Fuck them.
tectactoe 11.23.20	Many every time I think I'm getting better and win a couple online matches, someone humbles the fuck out of me. Won three straight matches (closely) then got absolutely destroyed by a Link. Couldn't fucking touch the guy. Embarrassing. I have finally incorporated copious amounts of spot dodges and rolls into my game and it has helped drastically. This is probably one of the biggest fundamental changes between Smash and Mortal Kombat. I still need to work on my spot dodge timing, but even rolling through or away from trouble has helped tremendously. I really want to learn how to play Steve better, too. He's not my main at all, but damn I have so much fun with his moveset.
Colton 11.23.20	Factual statements from Noler and Cyg here
Colton 11.23.20	It be that way tec. Don’t be discouraged by people bodying you, that’s how you learn.
Colton 11.23.20	And you should play whichever characters you enjoy but Steve is kinda hard and kinda sucks, so if your goal is to improve you might wanna stick with G&W for now
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	Even the best smash players get occasionally bodied. No shame. Link is frustrating to fight against.
nolerthebowler 11.23.20	People act like Sora has a chance in hell of making it into smash, when Nintendo would have to go through Square Enix and Disney to make that acquisition, the two companies potentially stingier than Nintendo. Sora’s Mickey Mouse shaped key chain just about obliterates his chances of ever being in Smash.
tectactoe 11.23.20	I probably won't try to learn Steve with the expectation of doing well online, but I would like to have him as a back pocket friend to pull out against my friends (who are basically the same skill level as me, or slightly worse). I know on tier lists and whatnot he sucks, as do most of the super heavyweights, but I played with King Dedede for the first time yesterday and had a pretty fun time with him. Very punishable, obviously, but I preferred his moveset to DK, K Rool, and Bowser, at least personally. Flat boy still my homie, though. Something about G&W just feels so natural to me. It is also funny to see how many people online don't realize that G&W's bucket reflects non-energy projectiles. Can't tell you how many times I've been holding the bucket out only for a Samus to fire a missile instead of an energy ball and have it bounce right back at them lol.
Colton 11.23.20	yeah tier list placements don't really matter tbh until you get good, and even then they barely matter outside of tournaments. Dedede is really good online. and that's probably just because some Samus players are so spammy and braindead that they shoot their projectiles no matter what their opponent is doing lol
Cygnatti 11.24.20	https://twitter.com/anonymoussmash2/status/1331031597647355905 Just read this and it's pretty insane, if true. It's anon so take that as you will, but I've heard rumors about like half of these for years and if there's anything I've learned about being a smasher for years, it's that 90% of rumors are 100% utterly true. I believe everything in there tbh.
nolerthebowler 11.24.20	not a good look
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.24.20	That was the most boring thing I've ever tried to read on this site and that's coming from someone who has tried to read other peoples music reviews
Madbutcher3 11.24.20	i really don't think capcom would intervene, admittedly because they have a major circuit for the most current game in the series and they probably get enough visibility from that
aydross121 11.24.20	Lol thats so nasty, wtf nintendo.
Cygnatti 11.28.20	i'll prob setup a room in like an hour, soemone come join [:
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	I’m down, how recently did you post this? May get 1 (or two) (or zero) of my brothers to play
Cygnatti 11.28.20	at like 8:50 EST
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	bet I’ll check back in precisely 49 minutes
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.28.20	Fuck em up nelton
Cygnatti 11.28.20	ill make a room soon hold on
Cygnatti 11.28.20	756r0, pw: 55
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	joining, my bro will too, he’s pretty good
Cygnatti 11.28.20	there's only room for 4 rn, so if more ppl show up, I might have to make a new room
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	He’ll be a second tho
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	oh ok that’s fine
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	if it’s dedede or Zelda fighting that isn’t me
Cygnatti 11.28.20	should I make a new room then?
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	after this next one yeah
Cygnatti 11.28.20	I'll remake the room after this one
Cygnatti 11.28.20	Actually just show him the room number and he can join rn
Colton 11.28.20	I would join bu3t am intoxicated and my wifi is probably dogshit rn
Colton 11.28.20	If u pussies didnt lock me out of the room id be wrecking your shit rn
Cygnatti 11.28.20	@colton, the room is open now!!
Cygnatti 11.28.20	btw matic says ggs guys
Cygnatti 11.28.20	omg I parried and then jabbed but nothing happened
Colton 11.28.20	Noler is cheating
Colton 11.28.20	That was fucked up
Colton 11.28.20	Ggs, heading out cause this is hurting my brain rn
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	I scored some pretty dope replays from that sesh
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	GG singular
Cygnatti 11.28.20	ggs fellas
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	GG plural Cyg that was hella fun, my brother is salty af
Cygnatti 11.28.20	lmaoooo, bro I'll ditto him any day
Colton 11.28.20	I went easy on you cause I felt bad about how hard you were losing and then you did some fake shit when I looked away and I was drunk
Colton 11.28.20	also it wasn't me playing
nolerthebowler 11.28.20	hmm
Cygnatti 11.28.20	Nice try colton, but no one up B's like that except for you. You can never resist doing it, so we'll always know it's you ;)
Colton 11.28.20	Fuuuuck
Cygnatti 12.03.20	will prob make a room later tonight if anyone's down
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.03.20	"GG singular GG plural" i feel like this mildly defeats the purpose of abbreviating "good game"
aydross121 12.03.20	yeah, these newer gens and their acronyms that are bigger than the actuals
tectactoe 12.03.20	This game gets me fucking twisted man. I'm still very much a beginning, but sometimes I will logon and win three or four matches in a row. Tough matches, too, where the player is obviously not some six-year-old dope. (Tough for me, anyway.) Gets my confidence high and makes me feel like I'm finally getting the hang of this shit. Next time I log on I get fucking bounced in, like, six straight matches. Fucking whooped. I hate this game so much. Not that this would fix all of my problems (it wouldn't) but I do notice a significantly larger input lag (or maybe just an exacerbated effect) when playing online. Makes running Bairs and pivot grabs and down smashes harder to execute, when I can do 'em pretty reliably when playing a local/CPU match. Just another thing to get used to, obviously, but frustrating nonetheless. Still maining G&W but looking into picking up another main or two just for some variety. Been thinking about Dedede more seriously - I've had fun playing as him in the past and I'd like to learn at least one heavy character. A lot of the characters I get absolutely bodied by are the goddamn swordfighters, too, making me think I should pick up one of them, just for posterity's sake. But I don't even know where to begin.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.03.20	link and cloud are my fav swordy dudes
Keyblade 12.03.20	i hate playing online. everyone there plays the most excruciatingly annoying style that coupled with the input lag it makes it unplayable. im tryna relax and have fun and it just makes me angry lol
tectactoe 12.03.20	tried Link at one point and sucked with him. granted I didn't really invest much time into it but I was struggling with even his basic moveset. i also just suck in general, though, so maybe that's the problem. however, I do remember feeling more comfortable with Cloud the few times i've casually used him. I think him and Roy are the two sword bois that felt "naturally good" to me. But anytime I play someone online who is any single one of the sword people, I get ripped. Need to work on my spacing with G&W.
Colton 12.03.20	Smash is honestly not very relaxing if you care at all about winning
Colton 12.03.20	and yeah tectactoe sword characters are pretty good in this game. Roy is always a good pick
Keyblade 12.03.20	like im tryna win, but not at all costs like some ppl seem to be. very rarely i'd have a good match with someone who's trying to beat u in the neutral and trade blows rather than trying to eke out a win by hook or by crook lol
tectactoe 12.03.20	i don't """care""" about winning per se, in the sense that idgaf about my GSP or record or even getting into elite smash. but not being able to land a single hit or, like, busting out a down tilt when I CLEARLY executed a down smash is infuriating. i did hit someone with a Judge "9" with about 2 seconds to go, though, and that felt really good. i never get that damn lucky. maybe I will start looking into Dedede, Cloud, and Roy then.
Colton 12.03.20	as you get better, you'll encounter (slightly) less of those people. It's also just a matter of learning the gimmicks people use and learning how to avoid them
Colton 12.03.20	also try Bowser tectactoe. Easiest character in the game, demolishes low level players
Keyblade 12.03.20	I mean I usually pick up on the gimmicks after the first game or 2 if they stay that long, but it's not even the point. I dont even wanna expend the energy of playing on their terms. you win, but it's not fun at all
tectactoe 12.03.20	nothing quite like killing a PK Fire spammer with G&W's oil spill. literally every Donkey Kong player I've played against online is an asswipe. nothing but that stupid wind up punch, spin, and forward/up clap. easy to beat but boring as fuck to play against and the damn input lag occasionally means you'll miss a punish and eat one of those dumb ass attacks. kills G&W at 70%. hate how light he is sometimes.
tectactoe 12.03.20	Okay - will look into Bowser. Honestly don't think I've played as him a single time, even casually or whatever. And don't run into too many online, either, so it never really crossed my mind. I'll play around with him tonight.
Colton 12.03.20	I feel you with the "I can beat the gimmicks but it's not fun" thing. But as it gets easier, it becomes more fun. And then when you get closer to elite you'll encounter people who beat you in ways where you're like "ok that was actually pretty cool" and tectactoe just remember, any time someone touches your shield, up b. When they start shielding, side b. Any time they're on the ledge, neutral b. Other than that, just forward air and f tilt. All other moves are irrelevant
Keyblade 12.03.20	I thought the same and I've found it's largely the same in elite too. maybe not anymore as I imagine the elite threshold is pretty high, but back when I was playing it was like 4-5k and there was no real difference
Cygnatti 12.03.20	I don't really mind people that play degenerate, it's moreso that they play degen and then leave after one match or as soon as they win one. It's so lame. If you don't wanna play on elite or the non-elite version, just look for "public rooms", those people tend to be way less degen.
Colton 12.03.20	the issue with arenas is you often spend 10 minutes waiting in line just to get kicked out as soon as your match starts
Cygnatti 12.03.20	you can circumvent that by making your own public arenas, limit it to 2 or 3 people, and (for those that are good enough) limit it to only ppl that have elite smash unlocked.
tectactoe 12.03.20	@Colt I'm assuming that's your strat for Bowser, right?
Colton 12.03.20	I was exaggerating. but yes
Cygnatti 12.03.20	"@Colt I'm assuming that's your strat for Bowser, right?" not just bowser ;)
Cygnatti 12.03.20	ill make a room in like 10-20 min
Cygnatti 12.03.20	3h0d7, pw: 55
tectactoe 12.03.20	haha i knew you were being reductively cheeky, i just wanted to clarify which fighter you were talking about. i also hate online Ness players. truly the worst.
nolerthebowler 12.04.20	especially when you are starting out, online ness players make you want to delete the whole game
nolerthebowler 12.04.20	any of you heard of Project+? It's a spiritual successor to Project M, with balancing made with competitive smash in mind. It also adds Knuckles to the game, which was what piqued my interest. It requires some modding know-how, but I'm having a blast with it. Who would of thought that Knuckles would be the vessel through which I learn how to wavedash (and git gud at melee-ish mechanics). Also this is like my mild protest of Nintendo, modding the absolute fuck out of Brawl.
Cygnatti 12.04.20	I played PM for years haven't played P+ tho. PM was goat'd.
Madbutcher3 12.04.20	p+ is decent, overall no major changes that would make a difference if you enjoyed PM. only nerfs that stand out are wolf's laser not having the bayonet hitbox anymore and some tethers being shorter (i think?). played it a lot earlier in the year but after slippi came out it became clear how much worse p+ netplay is in comparison. game itself is still good of course
nolerthebowler 12.04.20	I like trying out the new movesets that have been competitively refined. The knuckles in p+ is way too cool. I found this Legacy XP edition of PM that had like Geno and Waluigi movesets that were also awesome. Last time I cared about brawl modding was 5 years ago or so, and custom movesets were nowhere near as advanced as they are now. It's pretty incredible what I'm finding.
Madbutcher3 12.05.20	yeh some of them are a bit goofy though. knuckles is fun but his animations look wonky and some of his options feel really weird??? kinda slippery feeling movement i think the one major problem with pm is that they sorta made characters around having a full moveset of options as good as the melee high tiers but half of them are also floaties and thus annoying to combo. maybe that's just me being a salty spacy main lol i think the cool thing about it is that the meta shifts really often and lots of characters still get "developed". i remember people thinking pikachu was garbo for ages but now he's considered good, snake fully dropped off after a while, diddy's been all over the place. maybe if the game was supported more the meta would be more "stable" but it's kinda cool to come back every year and there's different characters at the top
aydross121 12.05.20	kinda dropped the whole pm thing a while back. Is thundereign still the goat?
Madbutcher3 12.05.20	atm Malachi is the best, then Thunderz, Techboy, Morsecode
nolerthebowler 12.05.20	Yeah custom characters will never be exactly the same as the real deal, but they’ve honestly gotten quite close. Another mod I like is called Project M EX Remix, that’s got a ton of well-designed characters as well. Lyn is probably closer to knuckles to having a perfect moveset.
nolerthebowler 12.05.20	I could see knuckles options not being the best
Madbutcher3 12.05.20	i think knuckles is pretty good, good tech chasing, moderately fast, bizarrely high air speed
Colton 12.07.20	Lol you’re not wrong about my gameplay Cyg. And I’m down to play tonight if anyone’s down. My Chrom is doing horrible things on quickplay rn
aydross121 12.07.20	Lol now Nintendo is banning a splatoon tourney stream because some teams had the #freemelee tag. Daily reminder that PM died for literally nothing.
nolerthebowler 12.07.20	What the fuck does a hashtag have to do with a tournament for a completely different game? What are they gonna blacklist every smash player who’s ever mentioned Slippi in a positive context? That’s fucking scummy Nintendo.
nolerthebowler 12.07.20	Nintendo despising the whole concept of Project M makes sense tho. They built an entire game around assets they don’t own. Like the alt costumes for instance, all of those had to come from other games. It’s a licensing issue above all else. But keep Splatoon out of it Nintendo, the fuck. Like what?
nolerthebowler 12.07.20	It’s like they’re trying to ruin their reputation.
Sevengill 12.07.20	oh is this not Sputnik smash/pass lame
nolerthebowler 12.07.20	it can be with enough willpower
aydross121 12.07.20	Ah yeah I mean PM was bound to get CD'd The problem is, Nintendo promised some great things for the community if they all dropped PM from tournaments. They did, and surprise surprise literally nothing happened.
nolerthebowler 12.07.20	don't get me wrong, mods like PM are incredibly cool
Colton 12.08.20	yeah Nintendo are being dicks for sure
Colton 12.08.20	this thing would have blown my mind like 5 years ago https://www.goretroid.com/products/retroid-pocket-2-handheld-retro-gaming-system comes with pretty much every N64 game plus GBA and DS games and you can hook it up to your tv
nolerthebowler 12.08.20	I just set up my wii u to play gamecube games (as it should have been able to do in the first place) and I can even use the gamepad as a controller making it semi-portable
nolerthebowler 12.08.20	I sort of got a playstation emulator working but there were issues
nolerthebowler 12.10.20	new ultimate character will be announced today I bet it’ll be a bombshell
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	HOLY FUCKING SHIT ITS SEPHIROTH
Keyblade 12.11.20	why did i check this thread lmao fuck
Cygnatti 12.11.20	might make a room at like 10PM EST if anyone's down
Trebor. 12.11.20	Another sword boy for the collection
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	yes but it's long
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	like really long
aydross121 12.11.20	yes more sword weebs i love those
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	come on
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.11.20	Thats a very unexpected pick and I fucks with it even though its yet another sword weeb
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	a lot of cool characters use swords
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.11.20	Most of my fav/best characters use swords
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	best part?
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	they are gonna fill out the final fantasy VII playlist final(ly)
aydross121 12.11.20	the only sword weeb i'll be happy about getting into smash is Frog from chrono trigger at this point.
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	bro
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	yes
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.11.20	Let's get slippy AND frog up in this bitch
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	YES
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	battletoad
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	maybe frog will be a sir froth mii costume
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.11.20	Frog hat link from majoras mask when
Cygnatti 12.11.20	44TR3 | 55 Someone join :]
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	all these melee gods posting reaction video losing their minds in joy over sephiroth is making my eyes roll. I thought they hated nintendo lol hmmmmmm
nolerthebowler 12.11.20	someone's gonna fire back with a "you aren't allowed to enjoy sephiroth, because nintendo is canceled" video, I can feel it in my bones
Cygnatti 12.11.20	well you can enjoy a company for their products and still hate their business practices. like if we knew what went on behind the scenes for every company, you're bound to find basically all of them playing dirty.
nolerthebowler 12.12.20	yeah yeah I know. the change in tone is just funny. also, I’ll make an arena tommorow if you’re down. I’m gonna use cloud and get slapt around.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.12.20	Watched the sephiroth trailer lmao his sword is so stupid goofy long Also sup with the one wing is that really a thing from ff7? I was very young when I was into ff so I don't remember at all
nolerthebowler 12.12.20	yeah, but originally only in his F I N A L F O R M that specific wing came from crisis core or advent children, idk which
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.12.20	Why only one? Seems a bit useless
nolerthebowler 12.12.20	sephiroth is basically the antichrist according to Revelations versus steve
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.12.20	Santa only had one wing?
nolerthebowler 12.12.20	JRPG villains aren’t known for their practicality
nolerthebowler 12.12.20	https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/c/ce/SaferSeph-concept_art.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20130110050746 this is tru sephiroth. pretty metal.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.12.20	Id hit it
nolerthebowler 12.12.20	he actually has seven wings which likely isn’t very practical either
nolerthebowler 12.12.20	#Baphomet4Smash
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.12.20	Considering the relatively brief period between new character announcements this time around I wonder if they fast tracked this one to try and distract from that slippi controversy
nolerthebowler 12.12.20	Nah the game awards got a ton of shit from entitled fans last year for not revealing a smash character after revealing Joker in 2018, to the point the event sponsor had to actively address disappointed smash fans. So they’ve probably been planning a killer reveal for months to avoid that fanboy rage.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.12.20	fair nuff it was a pretty overcompensate-y reveal tbh lmao so x-treme
tectactoe 12.12.20	my dream is to see Doomguy in smash also what are the chances we'll get an MK character, like Sub, Scorpion, or Cage? also also, sput has a discord server???
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.12.20	slim to none
tectactoe 12.12.20	i thought i heard somewhere last year that Ed Boon said he’d be down for it, but i can’t seem to find it now. still i agree probably slim to none but i wouldn’t mind seeing it happen tbh.
Cygnatti 12.12.20	we need shirtless cloud tbh smh or ike
nolerthebowler 12.17.20	my body is ready for sephiroth
nolerthebowler 12.17.20	my body is also ready for a better FF7 song selection
nolerthebowler 12.17.20	If they fuck up the FF7 soundtrack again I’ll actually be pissed
Colton 12.17.20	who's up for Sephiroth dittos tn
Colton 12.17.20	oh lord https://clips.twitch.tv/AlluringSpicyNewtOSkomodo
nolerthebowler 12.17.20	If he releases tonight I’m so down Coltwon.
Colton 12.17.20	oh damn I thought it was tonight for sure
nolerthebowler 12.17.20	it is
Colton 12.17.20	hype
nolerthebowler 12.17.20	but you have to do the sephiroth challenge
nolerthebowler 12.17.20	if you think I’m kidding I’m not
Colton 12.17.20	Sakurai be like "you can buy my new character but first you have to do the Sephiroth challenge, formulate a new strategy for your country to more effectively use its natural resources, and get laid. Ball's in your court"
Colton 12.17.20	his stage looks tourney legal potentially
Keyblade 12.18.20	for an ultimate game with everyone and everything in it, the song selection is so frustrating
Colton 12.18.20	as long as I don't hear that awful "Ashley" song I'm good
Keyblade 12.18.20	love that song the lack of street fighter joints is the criminal one for me. just like 5 songs from SF2 remixed like 3 times each lol
Colton 12.18.20	that's fair, in general I feel like it's pretty decent though Sephiroth looks pretty cool but a bit similar to Byleth for my taste. Why are so many of the DLC characters so slow?
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	There’s like 1000 songs in this game, the only complaint I ever had with song selection was lack of final fantasy VII tracks to go along with cloud. And now...
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	the future sephiroth main in me is kindling
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.18.20	Ta loola, ta looley, Ta loolay loo ley Sleep through the nigh 'till the following day, Ta loola, ta looley, Ta loolay loo ley Ahh Ahh Ahh
Keyblade 12.18.20	noler watch it be just 2 more songs lmao
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	Bruh it’s 9, 4 new remixes (Cloud and Hero both came with 0). The song selection much, much, much better now.
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	He released two hours ago
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.18.20	snitch ass single ply cotton cop colton clickin that d
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	One winged angel, JENOVA, bombing mission, the main theme, aerith’s theme, even a friggin Cosmo Canyon remix. I am very happy about the song selection.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.18.20	I'm a little Teeple, Short and stout, Here is my handle Here is my spout When I get all steamed up, Hear me shout, Tip me over and pour me out!
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	Koldtun let’s play soon
aydross121 12.18.20	Haven't been able to play at all, too much work these days. how bullshit is the new guy btw
Cygnatti 12.18.20	he's like kinda bad but also bullshit
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	He’s gotta be OP. I mean I guess he’s kinda slow but cmon.
Keyblade 12.18.20	oh damn 9 new songs, nicee
Colton 12.18.20	sorry Noler I'll be on soon
Colton 12.18.20	gotta smoke a bowl and then buy him and do the challenge
Colton 12.18.20	damn he's fuckin me up can't even unlock the bitch
Lord(e)Po)))ts 12.18.20	that huge one pooter rip of dumpster shwag got you straight crossed huh
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	Sephiroth Challenge on Very Hard took me a hot second
Colton 12.18.20	I got him, had to just throw him off stage and spike him
Colton 12.18.20	fuck w me https://ibb.co/ts5x6fD
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	let’s play bitch
Colton 12.18.20	i'm ready
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	145YX // 1337
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	damn
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	there we go
Colton 12.18.20	I gotta cut it off early sorry my brother ordered pizza lol
Colton 12.18.20	I can play again tmo or whenever though. I like that ditto
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	I like how he says “bah!” after he gets hit hard
Colton 12.18.20	don't all the weeb characters do that though
Cygnatti 12.18.20	Seph challenge on Very Hard was annoying so I went bayo and just combo'd him for free
Colton 12.18.20	nice, I caught him recovering as Chrom and got the cheesy up b spike
nolerthebowler 12.18.20	I beat him like a man with link
Cygnatti 12.18.20	"like a man" you spammed a -3 on shield boomerang in his face 🙄
Colton 12.18.20	Link is annoying but at least he's not Samus or Ness
Cygnatti 12.20.20	D7V4R | 55 if anyone wants to join :3
Cygnatti 12.20.20	ness absolutely gets in your face, way more than link does tfw 🤨
tectactoe 12.20.20	Finally starting to get the hang of this game, a little bit. Still far from great or even really good, but at least no longer embarrassing. Sunk as low as 900,000 GSP (lol) where I would win some / lose some and hang out there for a while. What was really hurting me before, and has helped me since, is getting more used to the rest of the cast and their capabilities/movesets. Now for most characters, I know at least what types of attacks and gameplay to expect, what kind of recoveries they have, etc., and that helps so much. Also started implementing more neutral variation, like mixing up Nairs and Bairs, sometimes jumping in and pulling back out only to hit with a D-smash after they start going for the bait. Got myself back up to about 2.2 mil GSP now and and slooooowly going up. I will still occasionally get absolutely bodied by someone but it's rare nowadays, and even most of my losses are at least close. The fighter I seem to have the most trouble against is Palutena. Can't really say why (yet) because I still don't play against her all that often. But every time I do, I get whooped pretty well. Used to get destroyed by heavies (Ganondoft, DK, Bowser) because I was too stupid and impatient. Now they are almost guaranteed wings. Feelsgoodman. Oh and I still can't get the hang of spot dodges. I throw them out randomly but I swear the number of attacks I've legitimately dodged is close to zero lmao.
Colton 12.20.20	LOL Cyg those games made 0 sense, ggs
Colton 12.20.20	And glad to hear it’s working out for you tec
Cygnatti 12.20.20	ggs bud
Cygnatti 12.20.20	theoretically, gnw gets bodied by palu so there you go
nolerthebowler 12.20.20	All I’m saying is I took his health to zero. Were the boomerangs a useful tool in doing so? Uh, yeah.
nolerthebowler 12.20.20	bayo combos don’t count tho
Colton 12.20.20	patch out Sephiroth's neutral B nintendo plz
nolerthebowler 12.20.20	if they did that I’d dededelete my copy of ultimate
nolerthebowler 12.20.20	and the end lag makes that move sus anyway. If you miss, you are fucked.
Cygnatti 12.20.20	nah, you basically just gotta release it early, like you do for all slow moving projectiles
nolerthebowler 12.20.20	If what ur saying is that the smallest of the three flares is the most effective, I totally agree. The big booms get you kilt tho.
nolerthebowler 12.20.20	but they are pretty
aydross121 12.20.20	Can't say i enjoyed fighting sephi, def feels like a wall, very good defensive character.
Cygnatti 12.20.20	generally speaking, you want to only use small and medium charge neutral B (for Seph), only do a full charged one if they're like at the ledge or trying to recover back to the stage
Colton 12.20.20	It’s just annoying how it kills when you’re holding ledge. Which I guess affects me more cause I only play characters with shit recoveries
aydross121 12.21.20	haven't tested it, but can you avoid sephirot's full B charge on ledge by timing a simple ledge getup?
Cygnatti 12.21.20	Yes, it's pretty easy to pull off too. I've done it consistently. Be careful tho, because a full charged one hits pretty far below the ledge so you have to already be grabbing before it detonates.
aydross121 12.21.20	ah that's good to know then, getting that timing down against good ledge trap attacks is crucial
Cygnatti 12.21.20	F5KHM | 55
Colton 12.21.20	I'm in there
Colton 12.21.20	you commented that literally 5 seconds before I was gonna ask
Cygnatti 12.21.20	lmao
Colton 12.21.20	reach Noler
Colton 12.21.20	wow that was so tragic for me
Cygnatti 12.21.20	colton ya really gotta work on disadvantage
Cygnatti 12.21.20	okay so more important than disadvantage is that you really really really need LAN
Colton 12.21.20	ggs, sorry about the lag in the last few
Colton 12.21.20	some good games were had. and I didn't get one before cause I didn't have a router in my apartment but I'm home for the holidays now and I'll literally buy one rn
Colton 12.21.20	I'm looking at them on amazon not sure which one to get
Colton 12.21.20	can you recommend one https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=lan+adapter&ref=nb_sb_noss_1
Cygnatti 12.21.20	These all look good to me, I just bought one from Best Buy. The one I have is UGREEN. It's only like $10 or $15.
nolerthebowler 12.21.20	damn I was even playing online. If I checked this thread I woulda joined.
nolerthebowler 12.21.20	been using Ike a lot more like I promised
Colton 12.21.20	your cowardice was felt
Colton 12.21.20	is it this one cyg? https://www.amazon.ca/UGREEN-Ethernet-1000Mbps-Compatible-Nintendo/dp/B00MYTSN18/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=lan+adapter+switch&qid=1608538353&sr=8-5
Cygnatti 12.21.20	the very same one
tectactoe 12.21.20	What is LAN, like plug the internet directly from modem/router into the Switch? I am not tech savvy. But is this what it means? Will this help reduce online lag? Sometimes online matches are OK for me but other times they are damn near unplayable.
Colton 12.21.20	Alright I bought it Cyg. My christmas gift to you Yeah tec basically
nolerthebowler 12.21.20	I gotta get one of those bad boys too
Colton 12.21.20	just bite the bullet and get one now stop being a degen wifi player I can call you a degen wifi player cause I bought a LAN adapter last night so I'm sort of in a different category than you now
nolerthebowler 12.21.20	it hasn’t even shipped yet you fuck
tectactoe 12.21.20	had the most satisfying accidental kill today. me and a Ken both down to 1 stock and around 130% each, had him offstage and was going for a Bair but fucked up the RAR and ended up doing a Fair. just so happened that the descent of the bomb was timed perfectly with his arc of descent and blew up right before he went into the active frames of his attack, took his last stock with that lame ass falling bomb as i descended below the stage victorious lmao. freak accident basically but it was awesome.
Colton 12.21.20	sorry Noler, no LAN = inferior person @tec always nice when a failed RAR works out. It's also good that you're even thinking about RARs when you're so new to the game. Are you only doing rising RARs right now? A technique I've been doing lately is running at someone, turning around, shorthopping, and then drifting toward them a bit before back airing
tectactoe 12.22.20	It kind of came with the territory - G&W's Bair is such a useful tool that it's nearly essential to play him efficiently. When I was first learning him I was so confused when I'd see videos of people lurching *toward* their opponent doing Bair, which eventually led to me RAR tutorials haha. I can RAR successfully about 98% of the time, where I have the most trouble is actually short hop RARing. I fucking hate short hopping. The goddamn timing window is brutal. Like I can short hop 100 times in a row if I'm just standing in training mode hopping up and down. But trying to effectively short hop as part of another technique (e.g. short hop RAR, short hop fast fall, etc.), I screw it up like 70% of the time. Terrible. I can do short hop Nairs most of the time because I cheat and do the two jump button buffer (I have ZL and B bound to jump), but that technique is too hard for Bairs (or Fairs) because it's a pain in the ass to move my thumb from B to the right analog stick that quickly. I know I need to get the hand of just short hopping with the ZL button (my main jump button) but I cannot do it reliably in any capacity yet =/ I have been implementing falling Nair and Bair into my game as well, those are great tactics, but because of my above problem, a lot of the time I end up full hopping when I'm only looking for a short hop >:/ Another thing that's helped my game tremendously recently is implementing more Nair and Neutral B. I originally had tunnel vision - Up B, Dair, Down Smash. But Nair is possibly one of G&W's most useful tools and I always wrote Chef off as a useless projectile but it is actually an extremely effective edge guarding tool. I've also been trying to be more bold in my off-stage game, trying to Dair, Nair, Bair opponents way off stage and gimp them far out instead of just sitting at the edge and waiting for them to make it back.
Colton 12.22.20	Sounds like you're doing the right things. I also shorthop in a slightly different way which made it way easier for me. I have jump mapped to R, and it's also mapped to Y by default, so I just hit R + Y to shorthop instead of doing it the way where you just lightly press one jump button. It works cause my index finger is always on the R button anyway, so I just have to move my thumb from the right control stick to the Y button, which isn't too bad on a pro controller. Not sure how well it would work on a gamecube controller.
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	DST0N // 123
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	I’ll just leave this up and see who joins
aydross121 12.22.20	Dick measuring contest post your gsp
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	not until you actually join an arena 👀
Colton 12.22.20	Joining
Colton 12.22.20	Did you shut it down
Cygnatti 12.22.20	lmao Colton really said, "I have LAN now, we are not the same, peasant(s)."
Cygnatti 12.22.20	last I checked my gsp was 8.5 mil or something
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	It shut down on itself, but I’m not on my normal WiFi and I just played online and it’s not good so maybe not
Colton 12.22.20	Am I wrong though Cyg And Tec did I just play you? G&W named SputniK?
tectactoe 12.22.20	Hahaha what a coincidence but nope, my username is simply “Tony.” I am surely in a far lower GSP bracket than you 😂
Cygnatti 12.22.20	what're y'all gsp levels, i'm tryna see sumn
tectactoe 12.22.20	currently 2.5 mil. don’t laugh, i was once as low as 600 k lmao.
Colton 12.22.20	damn that's a pretty crazy coincidence and my highest is 8,474,744
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	my top is 7.9ish rn
Cygnatti 12.22.20	@tact, any improvement is good to me! it doesn't always come first nature for all of us. :]
aydross121 12.22.20	not until you actually join an arena 👀 I live in australia lol, don't think you guys want to play me
aydross121 12.22.20	but this mine https://imgur.com/a/0oBvuG2 been playing a bunch more because of quarantine
tectactoe 12.22.20	Damn you guys are crazy. I wish I would've gotten this at the start of quarantine; would've made the time go by so much faster and maybe I'd be respectable by now haha. Switches were sold out everywhere around here back in April though.
Cygnatti 12.22.20	just checked my gsp, it's 8.600 mil on one switch, and 8.613 mil on the other :]
tectactoe 12.22.20	i hate goddamn gsp man. was at 2.50 this afternoon, seriously won like 7 or 8 games in a row and got up to 2.81. lost two goddamn matches and plummeted back to 2.55. son of a bitch
aydross121 12.22.20	Cygnatti is the meta having two switches nowadays?
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	lmao, I was gonna say
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	playing for gsp can take the fun out of the game if you take it too seriously
Colton 12.22.20	GSP means very little. Like I could have 8.5 mil, run into Cygnatti on elite, and then lose ten games in a row and go down to like 7.5 mil. But that wouldn't mean I'm actually at that skill level, cause I know I can easily get my mains above that. It would just mean I ran into someone that's good and actually stayed and rematched. Alternatively, you could run into someone with low GSP and think "this is gonna be easy" but then you get bodied, cause maybe that person is actually godlike at the game but they just hadn't figured that character out yet. Then there's lag, matchups, people who play with items, people who play 3 stocks 3 mins, etc
Colton 12.22.20	it would be reaaally nice and would take 0 effort if Nintendo just added an option to hide your GSP
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	honestly wouldn’t mind that. I’d just play a ton of games and see where I’m at every once in a while, instead of having it glaring you in the face at all times
nolerthebowler 12.22.20	gsp promotes shitty habits online too. That’s why no one rematches when they lose. And the kids who turn off their WiFi right before they lose so gsp is unaffected.... infuriating
Cygnatti 12.22.20	yeah don't play for GSP, elite smash is toxic but it's still a good training ground. it's just not ideal for the meta.
aydross121 12.22.20	Colton yeah that's the mentality for improvement for sure. I feel like the people that only play once and leave will have a much harder time actually improving. GSP mean little, what matters is getting a bit rekt from time to time.
nolerthebowler 12.23.20	I don’t mind the occasional items/FS meter battles lol. It’s not like I have it in my preferences, so that happens like 1/50 battles.
aydross121 12.23.20	Me neither, i get that every once in a blue moon but I enjoy the change
Colton 12.23.20	oh shit there's a patch about to come out
Colton 12.23.20	please make Falcon's f tilt kill, and give Chrom and Bowser's up b super armour
nolerthebowler 12.23.20	SUPER PATCH BROS please buff all of banjo’s moves except side b
aydross121 12.23.20	please delet olimar
Colton 12.23.20	wow worst patch ever
Colton 12.23.20	lol they buffed Toon Link and Young Link but not Link shitty for Noler
aydross121 12.23.20	yes Yink is like my main probs, up-b does tend to miss sometimes, that's pretty gud
Cygnatti 12.23.20	the fox buffs are actually insane, everything else is just something tiny and nice
aydross121 12.23.20	"Up special - After throwing a Pikmin with a side smash attack or side special, if there are other Pikmin nearby when using up special, an air attack using a Pikmin will occur." what do these words mean
nolerthebowler 01.04.21	lots of rumors about Chun-Li being one of the next DLC's. @Keyblade you might get more SF music after all
nolerthebowler 01.05.21	who am I kidding we’re not gonna know who it is beforehand
Colton 01.05.21	at this point I'm happy with anyone. I know I'm probably only ever gonna play Chrom, Falcon, Bowser and Wolf
nolerthebowler 01.05.21	I simp for new characters, I always enjoy seeing what they offer that changes the whole game a bit
normaloctagon 01.05.21	i simp 4 new chars [2]
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	Piranha Plant is underrated
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	the main reason being unless you physically put them past the blast zone, they will always return to the stage and the poison cloud
Colton 01.11.21	nah Plant is ass
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	and the purple plant gold pot skin
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	I’m fuckin people up with plant today
Cygnatti 01.11.21	plant is NOT ass not great but certainly not ass
Cygnatti 01.11.21	did y'all get fucked up by my mii swordie and brawler yet?
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	I beat your sword mii 👀
Cygnatti 01.11.21	okay, once out of what, exactly? 5 times? 10 times?
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	once out of one time
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	lol
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	we speak naught of how I do against your other characters
Cygnatti 01.11.21	Noler, the one-and-doner, who woulda thought. No better than elite smash, trash. Very sad!
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	that’s not what happened!
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	slander
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	I’ve beaten you twice total out of like twenty matches at least I’m out here putting up a fight lol
Cygnatti 01.11.21	lmao < 3
Cygnatti 01.11.21	you're good noler, I promise you lol.
Colton 01.11.21	I basically beat your mii brawler. Hit you with a fair offstage, it did the dramatic pause and everything. You survived but I had already won in my mind at that point and I don't really care what happened after
Cygnatti 01.11.21	I like using brawler against u because start to stop thinking and just be like "I wonder how many times I can hit Colton with this broken ass Up B move."
Colton 01.11.21	so you emulate my playstyle basically? an absence of thought and an abundance of up b are my defining traits I would say
tectactoe 01.11.21	I still need to play you gents. Surely I will get my ass handed to me, but perhaps that's what I need to push past the plateau I'm currently in. I now hover around 3 - 3.5 mil GSP. Basically most of the people I play online just spam dumb shit like Ness PK Fire, Samus Energy ball, Ganondorf roundhouse, etc etc., and stuff like that is easy to adapt to and beat, especially with G&W's toolset. However every six or seven matches or so, I'll play someone who's legitimately good, who uses someone more unconventional, and get whooped. I try to rematch them to spend more time adapting to different playstyles but people rarely rematch. So the problem is that I rarely play people who are actually good often enough to get better myself. >:
normaloctagon 01.11.21	is playing with king k. rool cheating because it feels like cheating
normaloctagon 01.11.21	"So the problem is that I rarely play people who are actually good often enough to get better myself." smae also question is playing lvl 9 CPUs a viable method to get better
Colton 01.11.21	I'm down any time tec. Glad to see you're still playing No Octagon, K Rool kinda sucks. He's just good at lower levels. Bowser is cheating though lol. And playing CPUs will help but won't carry over fully to playing against actual people
normaloctagon 01.11.21	aha so basically i need to get my butt online and let some fools wipe the floor with me for a bit aka "this is necessary"
normaloctagon 01.11.21	ngl the lag that like 30% of online smash players cause with their broke wifi setups is a deterrent for me. but I must improve my skills
Colton 01.11.21	you gotta earn your stripes online, yeah. You gotta be up 3 stocks to 1 against a Bowser player only to be flame breath > side b'd twice and dying instantly. You gotta lose to Samus charge shots that you can't dodge because of lag. You have to quit a game because it's laggy only to have your opponent start tbagging, as if they did something. You gotta play a wonderful series of games with someone only for them to randomly start tbagging at the end and saying "congrats!" at the end of the game and then menu tbagging. You gotta play a Min Min. That's what will test if you have what it takes for online Ultimate
Cygnatti 01.11.21	Lvl 9 CPUs is actually good, but only up to a certain point. There are certain things you can learn vs them, learning how to punish moves in certain situations because the CPU will always choose the frame 1 defensive option when it can. These can be very helpful to know but remember that real people won't often do the same things that the CPU does. @normie, get a LAN adapter if u can, it really does help!
normaloctagon 01.11.21	thank you colt bud i needed to hear that. my post-work plans today have solidified
normaloctagon 01.11.21	oo cyg what is this lan adapter u speak of i haven't heard that term used since the og console days of yore
tectactoe 01.11.21	>aha so basically i need to get my butt online and let some fools wipe the floor with me for a bit aka "this is necessary" Yep. The problem is that's hard to do with Smash because there are a ton of people who just play spammy and shitty. Unfortunately a lot of people don't know how to adapt and counter the spam shit, and so these people often have high GSPs and lots of wins despite being extremely beatable if you know how to invalidate whatever it is they're spamming. The problem is that knowing how to beat these spammy people doesn't help you get better either. Because then you play someone who actually uses a character's entire tool set and get stomped because you're only used to seeing and reacting to a single move. The only other fighting game(s) I've played is Mortal Kombat, and I was top 300 on the leader boards (XBox One) for MK9 with Johnny Cage. However when I first started playing the game, I could barely which a match. Got my ass kicked all the time. But there's a good (or at least there was) online community for MK and I hooked up with a couple of experts, especially those who mained a character that Cage was weak against (Sub Zero, Kabal, Liu Kang, etc.). And I'd play them like twenty or thirty matches in a row. And at the start I'd get bodied so fucking hard. But forcing yourself to play against people better than you will also force you to adapt to those playstyles. You can watch a million YouTube videos and read guides about shit but nothing will get you to improve faster than playing experienced people over and over again. Because this is when all the "thinking" takes a backseat and intuition starts to kick in. You start making reads and reacting differently because you know that "if X does Y move, he will probably follow up with Z" etc. You also start to learn proper spacings, hit/hurtboxes, and other character's movesets better, without even realizing it. I have definitely gotten BETTER at Smash just playing online quickplay, but I feel like I've hit a plateau recently and it's because of this reason. That I'm only playing someone truly skilled every handful of matches. Meanwhile the rest of my matches are against weak ass Donkey Kongs and PK FIRE PK FIRE PK FIRE PK FIRE
Cygnatti 01.11.21	@tect, you gotta start playing vs some non-quick play people then! I promise you that people do get actually good in quick play once you reach like 6 mil but I can understand that it may be difficult to do just that with the bizarre shifts in quality of people around the 2-4 mil area.
Cygnatti 01.11.21	@normie, it's one of these: https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=lan+adapter&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 Basically you get an ethernet cable, attach it to your router, then attach things thing to your ethernet cable, and then attach it to your docked switch. It improves online experiences significantly but it's still not too amazing.
Cygnatti 01.11.21	"so you emulate my playstyle basically? an absence of thought and an abundance of up b are my defining traits I would say" Sometimes, I like to give people a taste of their own medicine. Like some people will spam spotdodge, so I will start doing that to annoy them too. This is only if I feel petty or don't want to think very hard or both.
nolerthebowler 01.11.21	Level 9 CPU’s are good for just hammering down specific attacks and movements you’re trying to get better at. Like I’ll practice my spacing on certain attacks, or try to focus on landing air attacks or something. You just can’t expect the fight itself to translate to IRL opponents, they play much differently.
nolerthebowler 01.17.21	@Colton https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UqAfWByYahg
Cygnatti 01.17.21	y'all down to play tonight?
nolerthebowler 01.17.21	yes
nolerthebowler 01.17.21	when
Cygnatti 01.17.21	Pog imma aim for like 9pm est or so
nolerthebowler 01.17.21	b e t
nolerthebowler 01.17.21	I'm just sitting around waiting for classes to start on tuesday so good timing
nolerthebowler 01.18.21	yo.
Cygnatti 01.18.21	made a room fam M4TCS | 55
nolerthebowler 01.18.21	one sec and I’ll be there
Colton 01.18.21	don't have the switch on me rn unfortunately. will be down soon
Cygnatti 01.18.21	take ur time
Colton 01.18.21	That’s hurtful
Cygnatti 01.18.21	lmaooo dang it noler, quit switchin' chars!
Cygnatti 01.18.21	@noler, I think you're like actually good but you autopilot too hard!
Cygnatti 01.18.21	I'll do 1 or two more
Cygnatti 01.18.21	ggs noler
nolerthebowler 01.18.21	im pretty indecisive lol
nolerthebowler 01.18.21	you just play so quick I have no choice but to kinda trust my instincts.
nolerthebowler 01.18.21	lotsa fun tho ggs, Matic is cool
Cygnatti 01.18.21	ah that makes sense. well you're good enough that I actually have to change my gameplan a good bit to beat you, so there's that.
Colton 01.18.21	ouch
Cygnatti 01.18.21	matic said ggs fam
Cygnatti 01.18.21	sup colton lol
Colton 01.18.21	I bought a lan adapter but not the cord
Cygnatti 01.18.21	lmao get the cord!
Colton 01.18.21	I just ordered one lo
Cygnatti 01.18.21	nice
tectactoe 01.20.21	SW-2978-8571-5002 add me bros, i need you guys to start kicking my ass so i can actually get better
Colton 01.20.21	will add you tonight tec ethernet cable comes today!!
Colton 01.20.21	I'm optimistic, but cautiously so because my wifi is so shit that idk if even LAN can save it
tectactoe 01.20.21	Got up to 4.7 mil GSP yesterday. Logged on today in a bad mood, lost literally about nine or ten matches in a row, back down to 2.9 mil. Was getting so frustrated that I started doing dumb shit. SD'd so many times. Hate this game. Don't play angry.
Keyblade 01.20.21	80% of games online are "ah shit here we go again" when u see one of the links or vania bros, u just know it's gonna be a drag
Cygnatti 01.20.21	4.7 is good! let's goooooo. you can make it back there for sure.
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	I can confirm that frustrated playing gets you kilt
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	I'm gonna add you rn tec, Cyg add me too.
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	6145-4250-4829
Colton 01.20.21	playing frustrated is brutal, you desperately want to get your GSP back up because GSP is an objective measure of the value of a man, but you're tilted so you end up rushing in, getting overaggressive, and getting countered hard. That's why I smoke before I play, keeps you from getting tilted lol
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	took the words from my mouth
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	I'll be smoking between stocks when I'm playing Cyg
Cygnatti 01.20.21	@colton, update this list to include ppl's FC's mine is: 6814 4179 5510
tectactoe 01.20.21	I'll be playing tonight probably so if you guys added me we can get some games in maybe. I tend to snowball when I get angry, too. I don't mind losing a close match, or even getting whooped as long as the other player was good. But when I lose to a shitty Ridley because I'm an asshole and played overaggresive, going for stupid platform pokes and getting Up Smashed to oblivion, I get frustrated with myself and it's like I can't help from continuing to do dumb shit over and over in subsequent matches. When I'm in the zone, it's just the opposite. I start pulling off shit I never knew I was capable of. Doubling Bair'ing for offscreen kills, spot dodge reads that I barely even register, amazing juggles, etc. Unfortunately "in the zone" happens far less often for me haha.
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	My brother’s give me shit for the 1000+ hours I’ve sunk into Ultimate, and I sometimes feel a little like I’m wasting my time... then here comes Cyg with OVER 4000 HOURS. damn.
Colton 01.20.21	@cyg got you @tec I think I'll be on tonight. and same, I only get mad losing on quickplay. Never once been tilted losing to someone as good as or better than Cygnatti, cause it just feels like learning, and because I don't put an expectation on myself to win. But when I'm on quickplay and my GSP is plummeting, I'm like "alright I gotta beat this guy cause his GSP is relatively low, so if I lose to him I'm shit and all the work I put into this game is erased"
Colton 01.20.21	@noler worth noting though that that's just the total amount of time you've had the game on. I leave the menu open all the time while I do other stuff. If you check your in game stats it gives you the actual amount of time you've spent in battles
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	tru but I’ve played a lot and he’s played a lot more
Colton 01.20.21	I bet if you accounted for lag my total play time would be a lot higher
Cygnatti 01.20.21	@noler, that 4000 hours is split between me and my 2 brothers ;) That said, I'm pretty sure I have (significantly) over 10,000 on brawl and sm4sh, and ult will probably go up there eventually.
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	It’s weird how that works. It’s always kinda trippy watching a replay from a match you know was laggy af, and then seeing it at full speed without lag. You either look absolutely dumb or pro as fuck.
nolerthebowler 01.20.21	I’ve probably already put more time into Ult than any other individual smash game.
Cygnatti 01.20.21	It's worth noting that I only bought like < 5 games for Wii and Wii U each so I was getting my money's worth outta two $60 games.
Cygnatti 01.21.21	I'm down to play around 9:30 to 10pm est if anyone else is
tectactoe 01.21.21	i’m in for a few ass whoopins
Cygnatti 01.21.21	0w53m / 55 Come join if ya can
tectactoe 01.21.21	please don’t be surprised by how bad i am, you are probably six times better than the best person i’ve ever played in quick play lmao
Cygnatti 01.21.21	you're not that bad really, you have the general game plan down so that's good
Cygnatti 01.21.21	okay so you have a good keep away game, but you also have a non-existant approaching game
Colton 01.21.21	aka "stop camping and fight me bro"
tectactoe 01.21.21	yep. and i can’t time spot dodges for shit. that mii brawler grab gets me every time. approaching is one of the hardest things for me to do.
Cygnatti 01.21.21	well yeah, but everyone needs to be able to approach at some point
Cygnatti 01.21.21	mii brawler's grab is just an incredibly good move, spot dodging it doesn't work a lot of the time
tectactoe 01.21.21	no i know, lol i mean i need to work on that big time. i struggle with short hop nairs for some reason.
tectactoe 01.21.21	any other tips for approaching with GnW? nair and RAR bair seem to be his best options but i really need to work on short hop Nair’ing while keeping my forward momentum. i also whiffed my Bair hitbox like 50% of the time or more goddamnit lol.
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	alright no you guys get piranha plant today
Cygnatti 01.21.21	gnw approaches should be a combination of dash dancing into either dash grab or dash attack, as well as mixing up with approaching nair and bair
Cygnatti 01.21.21	@tectactoe, you'll def want to learn how to get better at using his bair. It's incredibly good, one way you can do that is to try to fight both the computer AND people on wifi where the only move you use in the entire match is bair (until you need to get a kill). As always, also watch how people like Maister use bair, it's very difficult to deal with.
tectactoe 01.21.21	imagine getting three stocked with your own main 🌚🌚🌚🌚🌚🌚
Colton 01.21.21	I almost did that to cygnatti one time but he rage quit
Cygnatti 01.21.21	colton, I have never played you with my main
Colton 01.21.21	who is your main
Cygnatti 01.21.21	pacman
tectactoe 01.21.21	gotta get up for work so one more and i’m done for the night, will type up my thoughts later but obviously any and all criticism is welcome. even if you think it’s basic. this is my first smash game and i’ve only been playing since about october of last year so i have a ton of stuff to learn, i’m sure! but it was fun playing with you guys even if i took like a total of two stocks the entire time 🌞
Colton 01.21.21	Cygnatti please don’t say shit like that in my thread. It’s not funny
Cygnatti 01.21.21	:)))
Cygnatti 01.21.21	colton, there's something you should know...
Cygnatti 01.21.21	i'll do like 1 or 2 more
Cygnatti 01.21.21	@tect, I hope you saved some of these games, they're worth re-watching imo.
Colton 01.21.21	oh god what is it
Cygnatti 01.21.21	yes, I am a pacman main :))) @tect, if u have any questions lmk :)
Colton 01.21.21	just gonna assume you have a really dark sense of humour and ignore that
Colton 01.21.21	and lan has been achieved
Colton 01.21.21	wow this really makes a difference
aydross121 01.21.21	I'll join you guys one day, hope the lag is not too bad though lol. although I play sometimes with friends in america and somehow it's playable, but I guess only because of fibre.
tectactoe 01.21.21	@Cyg - I forgot about that until toward the end (lol) but I did end up saving my last two mirror matches with you as GnW so those will be helpful. You are obviously way WAY better than me, but this is the only way I will improve. Playing shitty DKs, Nesses, Samuses, etc., online who just spam the same move are easy to read and dominate but they don't help me get better at the fundamentals of the game. As you can tell, my approach game with GNW is weak. I need to get better at short hopping in general, but especially forward-momentum short hop Nairs and proper RAR Bairs. The trouble is that I'm still using a two-button method for short hopping (hitting ZL and B at the same time) because I cannot pull off a one-button quick tap short hop consistently enough. I guess I need to work on that. Because the two-button short hop works every time, but I feel that it occupies too much brain space. I have to think too intensely about doing it, and it requires additional hand movement. Also as you can probably tell, grabs have never ever been a part of my game. Obviously an oversight. Honestly when I first started playing, I would try to use grabs more often (grabs are a big component of MK, which I am more familiar with) but almost always whiff. I know GNW doesn't have the biggest reach but damn I felt like I couldn't connect on a single grab and kind of abandoned them completely. Need to work them back into my game plan.
tectactoe 01.21.21	I still have trouble judging the hitbox duration and reach of Bair sometimes, or even Nair. There were several times where I thought for sure the last few frames of Bair would poke you out of a start up animation or even just reach you on a platform and yet I ate a huge combo or smash attack or whatever - that's on me to get more comfortable with, for sure. I'm sure it will get better considering one month ago I was barely using Bair at all. Another big problem for me is just match ups in general. About 95% of the matches I play online are against the same 20% of the cast. DK, Ness, Falcon, Mario, Samus, Cloud, Ganondorf, Roy. What happens is then when I play against a character I rarely see, I don't know exactly what they're capable of as I'm not familiar with their movesets - ESPECIALLY if the person playing them is good. For example, I've only played a few Peach/Daisies online, and they all suck. Your Daisy owned the fuck out of me, hitting me with combos and shit I didn't even know she had. (No one online, at least at 3.5-4.5 m gsp, does the float stuff properly.) Familiarity with the whole casts takes time, obviously, but I think this is severely crippled by online quick play for the reasons above - too many people just use the same characters and spam the same simple gameplan over and over, which means I'm not getting good MU experience. Anyway it was fun playing you even if I could barely take a stock. I think if I keep playing you I'll get better (at least I hope) much faster than dicking around in online quick play all the time. Any general tips, comments, things you noticed, etc., also welcomed and appreciated. Don't worry about hurting my feelings, I know I've got a ton of work to do but I need someone to coach me a little. Watch Maister videos only helps so much, because a lot of what makes him great is his ability to read his opponents, something that isn't translated super-well to replays all of the time.
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	I gotta play you more tec, we were pretty evenly matched. Piranha Plant is not my best character tho, just FYI haha.
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	rn I’m doing this massive experiment where I play with every single character in the game, and I’m sloooowwwly whittling down the cast until I get to the 10 characters I feel most personally comfortable with. I’m getting good results from olimar and ice climbers...
normaloctagon 01.21.21	so how did yesterday go did cyg just rek on y'all or
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	yea that’s usually how it goes. Getting within 1 stock counts as a W for me lol
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	Something about G&W is that he’s so quick and his up-B is so good for GTFO-ing that using him a lot can reinforce some bad habits. Rn just staying the f away is a great tactic for you using G&W, but it’s not a good tactic for smash in general. What I recommend is picking up another character along with G&W who doesn’t have quite as strong of a keep away game that you would use as a crutch. That way you’ll teach yourself good habits which you can translate over to G&W, making you better overall.
Colton 01.21.21	Wifi plebs lol get lan
normaloctagon 01.21.21	"Getting within 1 stock counts as a W for me lol" good attitude : D
normaloctagon 01.21.21	i'm revving up to face off on y'all, and get rekt, but with dignity (hopefully). another couple days training and i should be SET
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	noice, get your FC in here
tectactoe 01.21.21	@noler - true. When I first started playing Smash and GnW about four months ago, my entire gameplan was Up B + Dair, rinse repeat haha. So I have evolved from that obviously, but you're right, it's easy to fall into bad habits. Anyone you would recommend playing with? Preferably someone who is not combo heavy (e.g. Mario) because I suck at combos in Smash. I've only very briefly played as other members of the cast - from those distant memories, I think Roy and Wii Fit Trainer were pretty fun but I'll have to get into them more seriously to see how they feel. I definitely prefer "fun" characters with varied move sets and setups...people like Pac-Man, Steve, Olimar, ROB, etc. - they seem so interesting and fun to play, not to mention they're not overplayed online. I know the obvious answer is "try them out and see how you feel", but based on my heavy bias toward GnW, is there anyone you'd specifically recommend to maybe help in areas where GnW is providing me a crutch?
tectactoe 01.21.21	And also yes, Cyg wrecked me with like five different fighters including my own main lmao. If I was able to get one stock on him, I considered that a WIN. (For now anyway.) Even getting my ass kicked over and over was more fun than the spammy Links and Nesses online though. Felt like I was actually getting better, if even only minutely at this point. At least playing against someone good forces you to change your gameplan and come up with new approaches and tactics on the fly if you want to get a hit in.
Cygnatti 01.21.21	@noler, if you wanna be hardcore, try to get every character to elite smash, that's what I did ;) God, I'm sooooo bad with Ken. It took me like 10 games to get him to elite instead of the usual 2 or 3. @tect, noler is right. GnW has a lot of really good moves and he lets you work on your keep-away game because he has to, BUT he does a crap ton of work for you. Don't know what to do right now? Just Up B, it's hella invincible and there are no repercussions for using it. I think it's unhealthy for new players to have access to that. It means that they never have to learn how to get in people's faces or how to deal with people in their faces. Definitely learn more about grabbing. It's literally like half of GnW's neutral. Down throw into jump nair at very low percents, or double jump nair at 20-40%, or into jump up B at higher %'s for comboing.
Colton 01.21.21	Don't know what to do right now? Just Up B [2] Couldn’t have said it better myself
Cygnatti 01.21.21	@tect, I actually think Link is a good character for new players. Good tilts, good smashes, good spammy projectiles. Good grab pressure, grab combos, a kill throw. Great aerials that are intuitive to learn. If not, Lucina is probably good.
normaloctagon 01.21.21	Link slaps i've historically never played as him but random'd him the other day and had such a gr8 time
Colton 01.21.21	for real though, having a lan adapter is a game changer. I'm up for some games tonight if anyone's down
tectactoe 01.21.21	Heh, what did I get myself into. I only chose GnW as my main because I thought he was the coolest one in the cast when I got done unlocking everyone. But I do understand that I might've benefited more from playing a character with less of an 'easy' button, per se. Dumb question: Does grab length increase when in a dash? I feel like yes. The animation seems... longer, distance-wise. I think a lot of the times I go for a grab and I'm not actually dashing when I *think* I am, and therefore the grab distance is stifled a bit, causing me to whiff. Need to slam the left stick harder I guess. Never really played Link beyond once through Classic Mode. Online peeps just spam boomerang -> arrow -> bomb, but maybe I will look at him in more depth. Lucina I don't know much about at all, so I'll definitely give her a look, too. One more thing: How do you guys feel about Palutena? I have a difficult time with Palus online...makes me think she'd be a good secondary alongside GnW if she can cover some of his weak spots. Just playing with Cyg last night helped me, though. Saw some instant weaknesses to work on right away. Hopped on Quickplay at lunch and won six matches in a row, most of them handily lol. Could be a coincidence but playing with you is like batting practice with a weight on the end of the bat lmao. (I mean that as a good thing.) We gotta play more often. As long as you don't mind kicking my ass. Hope it's not tooooo boring for you lol.
tectactoe 01.21.21	also tfw Colton adds everyone's FC to the list except for his own, smh
Cygnatti 01.21.21	"Does grab length increase when in a dash?" Technically, no it doesn't. For many people, it's actually smaller. But most people move a lot horizontally, so practically speaking, it's significantly longer when doing a dash. "How do you guys feel about Palutena? I have a difficult time with Palus online...makes me think she'd be a good secondary alongside GnW if she can cover some of his weak spots." Aside from the fact that she's busted and has invincible hitboxes, I think she's a very good character for you to learn, especially to compliment GnW. Go for it, if she vibes with you! "Just playing with Cyg last night helped me, though. Saw some instant weaknesses to work on right away. Hopped on Quickplay at lunch and won six matches in a row, most of them handily lol. Could be a coincidence but playing with you is like batting practice with a weight on the end of the bat lmao. (I mean that as a good thing.) " LET'S GOOOOOO
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	“God, I'm sooooo bad with Ken. It took me like 10 games to get him to elite instead of the usual 2 or 3.“ lmaooo fu
Cygnatti 01.21.21	they were a very grueling 10 games noler, you don't understand 😭
Colton 01.21.21	Lol I just forgot tec, i’ll add it after
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	ken and ryu are two of my worst characters, so I do somewhat understand haha
tectactoe 01.21.21	Where do you guys START to go to learn a character? I kind of already had a leg up with GNW because I fucked around with him single player before starting to play online, and had kind of gotten to know his moveset. But say I want to start learning Palu or Link for example, obviously "just try them out" is where I'll start. But what's the best resource (if there is one) for learning general game plans with each character, tips, tricks, bread n butters, tactics, major dos and don'ts, etc.? Aside from watching pros on Youtube. That only really helps if you are at least somewhat comfortable with the character already. I'm talking starting completely fresh.
Colton 01.21.21	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlKkv5HSYVA
Colton 01.21.21	old vid but Link hasn't changed
Cygnatti 01.21.21	"Where do you guys START to go to learn a character?" I literally just do what my friends/good people I've played do and go from there. "My link main friend spams boomerang and nair, so let me do that." Take note what characters do, because many people will play in similar ways. That gives you exp in how to deal with those people, but also a window into their minds on the chance that you actually want to play those characters.
Colton 01.21.21	I learned Falcon by watching and playing against Fatality and then taking what I learned and making it super degen. I learned Chrom and Bowser cause they're so basic that you don't really have to learn anything
tectactoe 01.21.21	Sometimes I get discouraged and think I'll never be anywhere close to as good as you guys, not even in the same realm. I'm hoping that's not true and that EVENTUALLY I'll at least be able to give guys like you a good game, if nothing else. But man, I'm just not used to this sort of learning curve. Maybe I'm extra antsy because I'm coming from a Mortal Kombat background and that game feels more intuitive to me. It didn't take me long to master Cage in MK9, and get to a point where I was damn respectable with at least half of the cast. Same with MKX (though I switched to Mileena instead of Cage as a main). Maybe I'm just to used to those fighting mechanics, and that sort of playstyle, but man I am having a hell of a time getting a firm grasp on Smash still. 60 hours of play time and I'm "decent" with a single character lmao.
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	One of these days we can have a MK day and you can whoop all our asses at that, I’m sure that’ll be encouraging haha. I’m where you are with smash with basically every other fighting game, I find them very intimidating.
Colton 01.21.21	60 hours still isn’t much, took me a solid year and at least double that many hours to get somewhat decent and even approach elite for me
nolerthebowler 01.21.21	Coltwon, isn’t this your first smash game too? That should be encouraging to Tec.
Colton 01.21.21	Yeah it is. I sucked for a long time. But honestly Tec you're probably better than I was when I had only played as much as you have. I also had the added motivation of having beaten my coworkers. But that was only because of how awful they were lol. I didn't even know what shorthopping or teching was until like 9 months in lol
tectactoe 01.22.21	I actually sold my XBOne and all games to contribute to my Switch (and i rarely played it anymore anyway), but I have been thinking about picking up Mk11 for Switch to keep my MK skills sharp. But i’ve heard bad things about previous MK games in nintendo consoles (MKX was a laggy disaster) so i’ve been hesitant to pick it up. Anyone know how Mk11 on switch is, and how it compares to its MS/Sony counterparts? It goes on sale often. If it gets down to $15 again, i’ll just pick it up anyway. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I know i’ll get better, the road to get there just seems daunting haha. It’s been a long time since i’ve been in the “get gud “ phase of a game and i forgot how tough the grind can be sometimes lol.
tectactoe 01.23.21	Just fuckin around with some characters last night. Thinking I might try to pick up Zelda as a secondary? What do you guys think? Slow as fk on the ground but I like her glass canon style, huge aerial damage even though the sweet spots can be tricky to hit, I think it will help force me to work on my accuracy. Also the Knight is a neat tool that will also force me to create situations and react to my opponents accordingly, something that is far less critical with G&W’s particular playstyle. I do notice that I need to get used to her Up B trajectory, accidentally held the stick sideways after using it during recovery only to find myself under the stage lol. Also need to use her Side B better. Seems like it can be useful but I have to work on the timing and how to control it more effectively. any other Zelda tips and tricks welcome.
Cygnatti 01.23.21	She's a fine character, but she's yet another one that can't really approach that well and forces others to do so like GnW. Much like GnW Up B does a lot of work for him, Zelda's Down B is basically her entire neutral.
Cygnatti 01.23.21	Also, if anyone's down to play later tonight lmk :]
Colton 01.23.21	“around with some characters last night. Thinking I might try to pick up Zelda as a secondary? What do you guys think?” She’s decent as long as you’re cool with nobody ever rematching you online lol
Colton 01.23.21	And i’m gonna be watching that McGregor fight tn but I’m down tmo for sure
tectactoe 01.23.21	it’s okay no one rematches me as GnW either lol. I do like (as in, they “feel good” 🤷🏼‍♂️) Roy and Lucina, but I see so many of them online and would prefer to play someone at least *slightly* less prevalent, for variety’s sake. I also prefer more “unique” move sets (i.e. non-swordie lol), no particular reason other than i find them more enjoyable to play, even if there’s a more difficult learning curve. maybe i should just embrace the fact that i was born to play defensively??? (which is actually counterintuitive to my MK days - i loved rushdown characters like Cage, hated playing as defensive guys like Sub.)
Cygnatti 01.23.21	Nothing wrong with being a defensive player, I just think learning a non defensive character can be helpful so you can learn to approach and handle advantage state better.
tectactoe 01.23.21	True. And I do agree with that sentiment. Maybe I will put Zelda on the back burner for now. I did try out Link...just didn’t feel terribly comfortable with him. I know all characters take some warming up to, but some of them just seem to “click” more immediately. Out of everyone I’ve played around with so far, that feels like either Roy or (surprisingly) Wii Fit Trainer. at first glance anyway, they seem to feel the most immediately comfortable to my pleb hands. i also have a ton of fun with DDD but heavies have so many disadvantages in this game. 😞
nolerthebowler 01.23.21	@Colton: I’m stealing Bowser
nolerthebowler 01.23.21	I love heavies
Colton 01.23.21	you might like my main, Chrom. He's just Roy except with more range and power. And you don't have to worry about sweet spots and sour spots like you do with Roy. He's actually kind of broken on stage tbh he just has a shit recovery
Colton 01.23.21	@noler Bowser is beautiful
tectactoe 01.23.21	Don’t think i’ve played Chrom yet so I’ll give him a try tonight. Yeah Roy has hard sweet spots to hit, but when you hit em....goddamn. He has shit recovery, too, though, so I think i can manage Chrom’s (i hope). Thanks for the suggestion.
Colton 01.23.21	no problem. People below elite usually aren't too great at edgeguarding anyway so you'll probably be fine. Just try to airdodge back to stage when you can instead of using up b. And Chrom is super fun cause you can quick kills with f smash or even f tilt off of just one quick read. And up b does 26.4%(!)
Colton 01.23.21	Chrom is my best character probably but I can't even get close to elite with Roy
nolerthebowler 01.23.21	Chrom is better than Roy for sure. But Roy’s my boy so
Colton 01.23.21	I think Roy is better for people who are really good, otherwise yeah
Colton 01.23.21	Also tec do you use smash stick or tilt stick?
tectactoe 01.23.21	Tilt stick. Tilt with joystick + button is too unreliable for me
tectactoe 01.23.21	My biggest controller Achilles heel right now is short hop. I can’t do it with one button consistently. So i’m using the two button auto buffer. Which can make short hop FF aerials a pain because my right thumb is doing additional movement. Another question - i’m not quite to this level of tech yet but I saw somewhere that one of Roy’s BnBs was Jab cancel into Bair. how tf does someone input that? seems humanly impossible so i assume there is some kind of weird buffer technique involved.
Cygnatti 01.23.21	It's pretty tough and there are several ways to do it but it's hard to explain. Honestly, just go for it and you'll eventually start landing them.
tectactoe 01.24.21	it’s a fucking joke that Switch has no friend chat or “invite to game” feature. saw some of you gents online last night as was down for a few matches but had no way of letting you know. i guess i could’ve posted it here, but still. what a bullshit thing
nolerthebowler 01.24.21	fax machine
nolerthebowler 01.24.21	I think there’s a phone app that they offer for invitations and chatting, but no one uses it. I understand no chat feature on the switch, it’s a Nintendo console so they don’t want kids getting rude messages when they fuck up online. But a party and invitation system would’ve been practical and harmless.
Cygnatti 01.24.21	Agreed, I am also down to play later tonight btw. I was busy most of yesterday.
tectactoe 01.24.21	I understand the no chat feature conceptually, but it seems very narrowminded to exclude a large portion of the userbase because of another. This is something that could be easily handled with parental controls i.e., a parent could disable private messaging on their child's account that could only be undone with a password or whatever, and this would still allow adults message as usual. It is mind-blowingly strange that there is literally not a single way to contact people on my friend's list. What is the point of having friends in the first place then??? And yes, a simple "invite to Game" feature would be a step forward that would even circumvent the need for additional parental controls, but I'm still of the opinion that any console by this point should have a messaging system. Just absurd.
nolerthebowler 01.25.21	send nintendo a strongly worded email. Personally I’m just waiting for nintendo to come out with joycons that don’t break after 2 days, or 1 if you are playing smash. I had a joycon start drifting from playing fucking ANIMAL CROSSING.
tectactoe 01.25.21	fuck the joycons man. bought two pro controllers the day after i got my switch and haven’t touched the joycons since. i don’t really play in handheld mode ever so i don’t need to use them. thank god because my long lanky hands are so uncomfortable using those rubbish things.
nolerthebowler 01.25.21	I like the concept of handheld gaming, and the switch screen is beautiful, but yeah the joycons are bad. BUT, I managed to find some 3rd party joycons that are shaped like a pro controller split in half, and those things are fucking awesome. Unlocked a whole new potential from my switch (i.e. I can use it for its intended purpose, finally)
nolerthebowler 01.25.21	https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Switch-Split-Ergonomic-Controller-Handheld/dp/B07T5QKKVP?th=1&psc=1 peep it. I had to go to Kohl’s to buy it in new lol I’ve played the entirety of Donkey Kong Country 1 & 2 and quite a few games of smash with these bad boys, and there’s no sense of drift or any other technical difficulty whatsoever. Really happy with em.
Colton 01.25.21	that looks pretty amazing actually
Cygnatti 01.25.21	are ppl playin' tonight? y/n
Cygnatti 01.25.21	Joycons are cool but the fact that they drift so easily is such a bad move on their part. I play most of my games with gamecube controller, including Fire Emblem (although, it restricts you from using Mila's turn wheel kinda).
Alondite 01.25.21	I keep forgetting this thread exists. I really need to get back into Smash because I absolutely love it, but damn I am so out of practice.
nolerthebowler 01.25.21	switch pro controller is dope. I’m down to play for a little while!
tectactoe 01.25.21	wont be on tonight but hopefully tomorrow or Tuesday for sure. those joycons looks pretty sweet actually...might have to try to find them somewhere. but still, i so rarely play handheld mode that it’d probably be a waste of money for me. maybe when my kid gets older and can actually play it lol.
Colton 01.25.21	I’m down for a bit Cyg
nolerthebowler 01.25.21	2T6FC//69
nolerthebowler 01.25.21	@Cygnasti @Coltwon
Colton 01.25.21	Cyg duckin
Colton 01.25.21	ggs Noler
Colton 01.25.21	My internet is nice now eh
nolerthebowler 01.25.21	yes but now mine is shit
Colton 01.25.21	Felt pretty smooth compared to before at least. Also how dare you steal my mains
nolerthebowler 01.25.21	Chrom was a joke hahaha (but maybe?) but I’m seriously fw bowser
Colton 01.25.21	Yeah your Bowser seems pretty good
Cygnatti 01.25.21	I asked ppl if anyone was down yesterday and no one said nothing so I dipped smh. If anyone is down today tho lmk
tectactoe 01.26.21	So I hate playing as Palutena. I know she's supposed to be the exemplar of "EZ MODE" but I dunno, I really just don't enjoy playing as her at all. She feels janky and weird to me, even if her combos are relatively easy to pull off. I like Chrom but damn Colton wasn't kidding, his recovery is shit. Even worse than Roy's lmao. Need to lab more with these two. I really do like both of their playstyles and how each of them feel. Lucina feels pretty good too, though I have to get used to her loft. She's quick on the ground and has a fairly high jump but her air speed seems counterintuitively slow. Maybe that's the point. Just a nit-pick. I do like how she "feels" but also need to spend more time with her. I actually had a lot of fun playing as Pokemon Trainer. I'm sure the learning curve here is steep given that it's on par with having to learn nearly three separate characters at once. But I like the situational availability and the ability to adapt to different gameplans on the go. Though Min-Min felt pretty good, too. Didn't spend much time on her but first impression is a good one. Though I never see people discuss this character so I'm worried she might have some huge flaw that I don't realize. Might have to dedicate some time to learning her a bit more. I know Wario is supposed to be god-mode but can't stand playing as him. Olimar is very interesting to me. I'd like to learn more about his Pikmin and what he's capable of. I'm sure he's another character with a steep learning curve but again, I almost prefer these " gimmicky" (for lack of a better term) characters who have unique moves and setups and strats - to me, that's what makes Smash, Smash, you know?
nolerthebowler 01.26.21	I’ve been messing with olimar. Super cheese but that’s my kind of cheese.
nolerthebowler 01.26.21	“Though I never see people discuss this character so I'm worried she might have some huge flaw that I don't realize.” lol
Colton 01.26.21	Lol yeah tec it’s one of the worst in the game. I’m used to it though. Just make sure you airdodge when you can and time your b reverses well when you have to use up b, it’s not too bad. A lot of the time when you up b to the ledge and someone is standing on the ledge or they’re just offstage, you end up just spiking them down to the blast zone. The up b of truth I call it
Colton 01.26.21	I’ve played against like 10-15 Olimars in my lifetime so idk what my thoughts even are on him
normaloctagon 01.26.21	olimar was good in brawl. don't like how he plays in ultimate
nolerthebowler 01.26.21	olimar was a clusterfuck in brawl. 3 pikmin at a time is much more manageable. But basically, to win just throw pikmin constantly.
normaloctagon 01.26.21	"But basically, to win just throw pikmin constantly." exactly lmao, the more pikmin the merrier aka brawl oli > ult oli
nolerthebowler 01.26.21	nah they streamlined a lot of olimar’s moves for ultimate. Everything is snappier. Olimar’s become pretty damn high tier.
nolerthebowler 01.26.21	it’s more fun to have 6 buts it’s more practical to have 3. You can focus on cultivating their bloomz.
Colton 01.26.21	I used to see a lot of Olimars in tournament but after he got nerfed he pretty much disappeared
normaloctagon 01.26.21	ahh noler u are probably right yeah i've been playing online for the last week and haven't seen a single olimar so that checks out
tectactoe 01.26.21	“Though I never see people discuss this character so I'm worried she might have some huge flaw that I don't realize.” Lol not to imply that I put any stock into tier lists, but I mean I would also like to be aware up-front of some huge drawback of a character while I'm in the process of learning them. Will make it easier to overcome that flaw early-on than trying to reinvent my gameplan down the road. I have just literally never heard anyone discuss Min-min. I'm not sure I've even played one online. And she felt pretty OK for just first impressions, so I'm wondering what gives? Steve is really fun, too, but goddamn his jump and overall movement is so awful, and I can't get the hang of his Up + B enough to confidently return to the stage. If the minecart can't get me back on stage, I'm screwed lol. On another vote I got my ass kicked by Villager today. Surprising. Might've been the first Villager I've ever played, honestly. Dude was just on top of his shit. Setting up trees, sending out Lloids, pocketing the Lloids I reflected back and sending out more, perfectly timing his slingshots and turnip smashes, honestly dude completely bested me, I couldn't even be angry. I know I have a lack of experience in the MU but I was impressed at how well he executed literally everything. Is Villager secretly a boss or did I just get bodied by my own inexperience?
Colton 01.26.21	Min Min is still very new and has a weird sort of playstyle so she doesn’t have much presence in the meta I guess you could say. Most pros say she’s good though, solid high tier from what I’ve heard. Absolutely despise that fuckin creature though. Spammy noodle ass Villager isn’t all that good but he’s super annoying if someone really knows how to play him
Cygnatti 01.26.21	Tier lists are real and they matter. Anyone can win at any time with any character, tier lists are made to represent the characters who theoretically would win actual tournaments and/or who have actually done well (any good tier list thinks about both). There are a ton of good characters in this game so really you can't go wrong. Villager is pretty good, just not amazing. Steve and Min Min are both really good but they have unique playstyles which make them hard to play and hard to fight.
tectactoe 01.26.21	I wasn't implying that tier lists don't matter, just that I don't put any stock into them when deciding who I want to play, for the simple fact that I'm not playing at a high enough level for the criteria upon which those lists are based to have any meaningful effect. I know they are "real" but they're only truly "real" for pros and people with pro-level skill. It'd be dumb for someone like me to exclude half of the cast from consideration on the pretense that ESAM or Maister thinks they suck.
Cygnatti 01.26.21	Yeah absolutely, it's most important to pick characters that you vibe with. Luckily for you, GnW is almost top tier so there ya go :]
tectactoe 01.26.21	Hah true, that'll help when I'm finally a pro-level player 8-) Funny I only picked him because he seemed "coolest" to me when I finally unlocked all the characters, and I have vivid memories of playing all the different Game & Watch games as a kid. Not sure if it was completely coincidental that he's also the character that just "feels right" to me, or if he only "feels right" specifically because he's the first Smash character I've technically ever learned. Probably the latter but I like to think I'm something of a seer, too :^)
nolerthebowler 01.26.21	There are two tiers that matter. Tier: Banjo & Kazooie and Tier: Everyone Else.
nolerthebowler 01.26.21	tec you should try out banjo, I could teach you my ways
Cygnatti 01.27.21	me and WHO? https://twitter.com/Cheeks_SSB4/status/1354150729364209667
tectactoe 01.27.21	Never played Banjo. Will peep him tonight.
nolerthebowler 01.27.21	Wonderwing (side B) is your best friend, but don't forget his other attacks still exist.
Cygnatti 01.27.21	Finna make a room around 9:30 or 10pm est :]
nolerthebowler 01.27.21	I'll be there!
Cygnatti 01.28.21	planning on at 10pm est
Cygnatti 01.28.21	C6GP8 | 55 someone come join!
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	I’ll get on in a sec, got distracted by course work ugh
Cygnatti 01.28.21	no worries bud
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	man you make my banjo look so shit
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	Gonna have to go handheld mode on you bitches
tectactoe 01.28.21	not using this as an excuse because i suck anyway but man my lag is really bad right now. my internet is usually great so idk if it’s me or someone else but it’s making me perform even worse than usual lmao
Cygnatti 01.28.21	brb yeah the lag vs @tect was rly bad
tectactoe 01.28.21	i fucking hate sephiroth
tectactoe 01.28.21	i have been trying to work on neutral approach and pressure even if it means taking risks and getting killed early for now. only way i’ll learn 🤷🏼‍♂️
Cygnatti 01.28.21	found Noler's weakness :) :) :) "i have been trying to work on neutral approach and pressure even if it means taking risks and getting killed early for now. only way i’ll learn 🤷🏼‍♂️" this is good!
Cygnatti 01.28.21	@noler, matic says to stay seph if ya can
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	tec you’re better than you think
Cygnatti 01.28.21	he is
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	wait what’s my weakness
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	sucking?
Cygnatti 01.28.21	that you put yourself in opportunities where I can rest you with jiggs
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	is it rest? Because .....
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	yes
tectactoe 01.28.21	thanks for the encouraging words, gents. i’m definitely much improved from when i first started back in october, but i know i’ve got a loooong way to go still. what frustrates me the most is that a lot of the time, i recognize my mistakes as i’m making them, but stupidly commit anyway. misjudging hit boxes, trying an immediate counter instead of spot dodge, full hopping when i should’ve short hopped, thinking my Bair will out range sephiroth’s sword lmao. i need to work on trying to “read” the game more methodically than acting on impulse. or rather, train my impulses to do the correct thing instead of derpy derp let’s try another down smash.
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	Jesus Christ
Cygnatti 01.28.21	have ya figured it out yet , noler?
Cygnatti 01.28.21	matic, said he'll brb
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	I’m gonna head out! Fun Times!
nolerthebowler 01.28.21	I wish arenas made it easier to switch your character
Cygnatti 01.28.21	ggs fellas
Cygnatti 01.28.21	matic said ggs too :]
Cygnatti 01.29.21	@tect, can't play, in a wifi bracket rn!
tectactoe 01.29.21	hahaha no worries, i didn’t even check sput, was shocked to see a room open and just put in the usually password lmao my bb 😂
tectactoe 01.30.21	had fun with pokémon trainer today. feel like it might be tough to essentially have to learn three separate characters, but i enjoyed playing as all three of them for different reasons.
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	I hate to be that guy, but tec you’d probably be pretty good with sonic
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	double post
Colton 01.31.21	I will delete comments if I have to
tectactoe 01.31.21	Sonic, eh? Honestly never gave him much of a shot. Maybe only played with him a couple times in random but that's about it. I'll have to give him a true chance soon! Thanks for the suggestion. I was messing around with Piranha Plant today too. He (she?!) is pretty fun to play, honestly haha.
Colton 01.31.21	do not play Sonic
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	If games against G&W take 7 minutes, games against sonic take 10 minutes
tectactoe 01.31.21	Colton still hasn't added his damn friend code. I was on a roll with G&W today. Won 9 straight in Quickplay which is probably nothing for you gents but unheard of for me. Especially because those wins included one against Sephiroth and one against Palutena, two matchups i absolutely hate. I was just hittin' everything, landing double Bairs way off stage, spacing all my SHFF Nairs perfectly, it was too good to be true. One of those days I guess. Got up to around 5.6 mil GSP and stopped so I could go out on a high note haha. Also why? do people hate Sonic? I haven't played against too many tbh, I actually find most of them easy to beat simply because I think people don't play him all that well. Spam the homing spin move over and over again.
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	he’s (too) good at the keep away game
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	I’m being facetious tho, there’s a cancer-free to play any character in this game if you are so inclined
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	except ness. fuck ness. I was fucking up multiple Sephiroth’s in elite smash today, felt good
tectactoe 01.31.21	well shit he sounds right up my alley. i do wonder who the final three DLC characters will be. i think it'd be both fun and hilarious if they added a mortal kombat character. perhaps sub zero would make the most sense. apparently Ed Boon already hinted that he'd be down for it on twitter somewhere lol. Doomguy would be cool but it might be difficult making an interesing moveset for him. And speaking of Sonic, I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we get any one of either Tails, Knuckles, or Robotnik. I think they could all make good additions.
tectactoe 01.31.21	yeah i figured. seems most characters have a few key moves that shit-tier players spam and abuse without knowing wtf they're doing. also agree that Ness can die in a fire. literally why does EVERY Ness player online teabag when they get a stock, even when they're already down by two? shit drives me crazy.
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	I was playing a mod that added sub zero to brawl with an original moveset and everything, and that was fucking dope. All with Ice clones, ice hammers, icicle daggers, freeze abilities... he’s a cold mother fucker. I feel like there’ll be one more character who originates from a fighting game, idk
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	whoever they add they’ll be dope and I’ll play them a lot
Cygnatti 01.31.21	tryna make a room at 9:30 est or so btw
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	I’ll be there. I’ve almost finished my super roster experiment, I’m excited to try out my flashy new mains, and get my ass whooped.
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	I’m down to 13 characters, I’m gonna play em all online a bunch and cut three more, and then I’ll try to get all 10 into elite (cept banjo who’s already there) the remaining 13 are: LINK YOSHI KIRBY BOWSER ICE CLIMBERS IKE ROSALINA & LUMA GRENINJA ROBIN BOWSER JR. PIRANHA PLANT BANJO & KAZOOIE MIN MIN
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	I’m also gonna use Sephiroth, but he didn’t make the cut :(
Cygnatti 01.31.21	if you can't get them to elite, don't main or secondary them! ;)
Cygnatti 01.31.21	what if I make discord server for this type of stuff? we could VC lol
nolerthebowler 01.31.21	that’s a good idea
tectactoe 02.01.21	tfw can't even get your main into elite QQ 5.9 mil and climbing tho
tectactoe 02.01.21	and that is a good idea, i agree
Cygnatti 02.01.21	come join fellas https://discord.gg/5x47hZUt
nolerthebowler 02.01.21	it took me a year and a half, no worries dood
Cygnatti 02.01.21	255F8 | 55 come join fellas [2]
normaloctagon 02.01.21	gimme the cyg summary what is this discord
nolerthebowler 02.01.21	it’s three of us
Cygnatti 02.01.21	remade the room 9W8M8 | 55
Cygnatti 02.01.21	the discord is mostly empty lol
nolerthebowler 02.01.21	No arenas found.
nolerthebowler 02.01.21	I’m in!
normaloctagon 02.01.21	i’m in the arena! about to make a complete fool of myself m///
Cygnatti 02.01.21	LFGGGGGG NORMIE join the discord too :]
normaloctagon 02.01.21	: D le’goooooooo
normaloctagon 02.04.21	shall we smash tn boyos i'm free in a couple hours
nolerthebowler 02.05.21	smashes will be had
Cygnatti 02.05.21	I'll make a room on friday night
Cygnatti 02.06.21	HDY2J | 55 room is made :]
nolerthebowler 02.15.21	I bet they think we finally stopped playing smash mufufufu
Cygnatti 02.16.21	hehehe, they're fools if they believe so! LTGLK | 55 room is made, come join :]
Colton 02.16.21	reaching rn
Colton 02.16.21	haha LTG
normaloctagon 02.16.21	lol b there soon
nolerthebowler 02.16.21	new smash character and 50 minute ninty direct tomorrow :O
Colton 02.16.21	oh shieeeet
someone 03.01.21	boy i love me some clappin' cheeks
Cygnatti 03.01.21	haha same :]
Colton 03.01.21	Cyg claps a lot of cheeks that's for sure
someone 03.01.21	@anatelier
someone 03.01.21	tbh if i am asked to smash with somebody and it turns out to be a video game, i'll be very disappointed
porcupinetheater 03.01.21	I was directed here for the cheek clapping? Edit oh fuck this is going to be in my my discussions tab forever now
someone 03.01.21	cum right in, Mario
porcupinetheater 03.01.21	Itsa Me, MariHo
nolerthebowler 03.01.21	We don’t even use this thread anymore, ur good. As laggy as online.
normaloctagon 03.01.21	man the harpoons boys, we’re being boarded!!!! 🏴‍☠️
porcupinetheater 03.01.21	To the poop deck
someone 03.01.21	boy the harpoons men
nolerthebowler 03.01.21	Who would you like to clap your cheeks? Press “1” for Cygnatti Press “2” for nolerthebowler Press “3” for Colton Press “4” for tectatoe Press “5” for normaloctagon
someone 03.01.21	1234 and 5 to watch from aback
porcupinetheater 03.01.21	What's the number for Octo's twin?
someone 03.01.21	a plain number with nine digits
nolerthebowler 03.01.21	idk but “9” gets cyg’s twin
porcupinetheater 03.01.21	Cygnatti and Notcyggi
tectactoe 03.01.21	flatgang 👊🏼

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