londoncalling457: Weed legalized in all 50 states

Titan 01.19.16	Out
Tyler. 01.19.16	weed is lame get over it everybody
zakalwe 01.19.16	Out. Exacerbates mental health issues dudes. Seen it with me own eyes.
Asdfp277 01.19.16	Legalizing marijuana seems like it will be a positive change for society as a whole
Avagantamos 01.19.16	im not smokin for this whole semester but once finals are over i'll be so fucked up
Asdfp277 01.19.16	"Out. Exacerbates mental health issues dudes." So does alcohol tho. Making it legal will make it easier to do awareness campaigns
ArsMoriendi 01.19.16	I don't smoke, but I support its legalization.
hal1ax 01.19.16	It exacerbates certain mental disorders but can also help with others. It depends what mental disorder you are talking about. If you have schizophrenia or any form of a psychotic disorder, you want to stay far away from marijuana. If you have Parkinson's , you would do well to smoke a marijuana strain with high CBD content.
Asdfp277 01.19.16	Marijuana also helps prevent Alzheimer's if consumed by adults, i think
zakalwe 01.19.16	Alcohol does you're right but I've never seen a man try and rip his own eyeballs out having had a few jars or decapitate a neighbour thinking she was 'a demon' after a session in the pub. Go into any mental health facility and see how many people wound up there due to 'weed psychosis'
Asdfp277 01.19.16	weed psychosis
hal1ax 01.19.16	I work at a mental health facility dude, it really depends on the diagnosis of the person who is using Cannabinoids. Like, as I said before, people with bipolar or variations of schizophrenia do not react well with thc. I've seen marijuana help tons of people with several different forms of depression, parasomnias, dysomnias, anxiety disorders, etc etc
Calc 01.19.16	"Alcohol does you're right but I've never seen a man try and rip his own eyeballs out having had a few jars or decapitate a neighbour thinking she was 'a demon' after a session in the pub." bet you've never seen anybody do that actually. I don't smoke myself but I've heard a lot of bad things about it in terms of suicides. but if there was a battle i'm out.
trve 01.19.16	idc about your third world country, but legalize it in germany for fucks sake
Avagantamos 01.19.16	have u been watching reefer madness zak
Avagantamos 01.19.16	#legalize420bluntzblowinweedfarmextravaganza
onionbubs 01.19.16	Out. Onions cant get high, so why should i care?
hal1ax 01.19.16	I grow for a dispensary in Southern California so I'm obvi in the battle baby girl
zakalwe 01.19.16	Again there are advantages to it but the disadvantages are there as well but they always seem to get 'clouded' over in a haze of bullshit. I've also spent time in a psychiatric hospital dude....visiting Legalise it, fuck it.
Tyler. 01.19.16	weed sometimes gives me panic attacks, so i get how for some people it's probably best to stay away. Still not worth to send people to jail not even a little bit
hal1ax 01.19.16	Ya it's definitely not for everyone.
Asdfp277 01.19.16	As with everything, responsibility is key.
Tyler. 01.19.16	moderation yeah
londoncalling457 01.19.16	Weed
zakalwe 01.19.16	"bet you've never seen anybody do that actually" It's this sort of complete waving off of the issue that really doesn't help the matter. I'm telling you dudes, I have had first hand experience with this shite, I have seen them things as stated. I've also seen some advantages but the reality is drugs are the fucking pits.
Avagantamos 01.19.16	I'm not gonna throw a boy in the pen for takin a puff
YakNips 01.19.16	sm0k
Tyler. 01.19.16	All I know is you get high, get high ALL the way. You sniff coke? Fuck it, smoke crack. Smoke crack? Fuck it, shoot dope. Shoot dope? Fuck it, sniff meth hell yeah man
Avagantamos 01.19.16	psychedelics helped me work through some messed up shit in my mind during the dark ages of my life
Asdfp277 01.19.16	"It's this sought of complete waving off of the issue that really doesn't help the matter" and somehow overreacting, negative and black-and-white thinking, and scaremongering are gonna help the issue?
Sevengill 01.19.16	out. don't enjoy it and have seen some close friends go downhill after getting addicted to it (yes, I know it's not physically addicting).
torts 01.19.16	sm0k [2] out
Asdfp277 01.19.16	Sevengill: lol reminds me of: http://alrnalexia.tumblr.com/post/125514061431/a-world-where-people-acknowledge-that-99-of
ArsMoriendi 01.19.16	Yeah weed isn't physically addictive, but obviously it's addicting in other ways. Not enough to keep it illegal though, especially since cigarettes (which are way worse) are legal.
zakalwe 01.19.16	No experience, questioning, learning adapting and moving forward are. Would it be such an issue to ban it? Yeah cos drug dealers, and medical benefits and, freedom of choice and taxable benefits and....tried to rip his fucking eyeballs out dude. Decapitated the neighbour dude.
torts 01.19.16	^^u got a point there bucko
Asdfp277 01.19.16	What we need to do to fix this addiction issue is getting emotionally-troubled people some help.
chemicalmarriage 01.19.16	in ya jabronis
ArsMoriendi 01.19.16	"Alcohol does you're right but I've never seen a man try and rip his own eyeballs out having had a few jars or decapitate a neighbour thinking she was 'a demon' after a session in the pub." Are you sure he wasn't on PCP lol?
Asdfp277 01.19.16	they was on some chernobyl shit
torts 01.19.16	chernobyl shit LMAO FUCK
Asdfp277 01.19.16	Ok I won't do that again
zakalwe 01.19.16	off the meds and on the weed. Bad mix but fuck it, legalise it cos I wants what I likes and cos I finks it'll be best for more people in the long run so it'll be good and I'll be fucked if I am ever going to make a sacrifice and it's never done me or my mates harm. It's all just scaremongering, skin up bruv.
Sevengill 01.19.16	gimme some of that 3 Mile Island, bruh
Avagantamos 01.19.16	"Alcohol does you're right but I've never seen a man try and rip his own eyeballs out having had a few jars or decapitate a neighbour thinking she was 'a demon' after a session in the pub." the issues here clearly go far beyond smoking weed
MuhNamesTyler 01.19.16	It will never be completely legal because private prisons
Tyler. 01.19.16	decapitate a neighbour thinking she was 'a demon' kinda want to hear more about this tbh
zakalwe 01.19.16	Yes they do but weed didn't help it, it exacerbates it. Would've it happened without the weed....yeah probably..did them incidents happen on them particular occasions because of the consumption of weed? Undoubtedly.
Asdfp277 01.19.16	I once took an aspirin, I killed my entire family and used their corpses to recreate the entire Chicken Run movie stop-motion style, it was poppin'
zakalwe 01.19.16	There you go dude. Don't immediately pounce on the other shit their saying in the rag. He was a pot head and it fucked him up royally. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/23/man-who-decapitated-elderly-woman-found-legally-insane
TheSonomaDude 01.19.16	Uhhhh weed is addictive and causes hallucinations!!! It is an abomination to Jesus Christ!!! Satan put weed on earth to temp us into the side of sin!!!
Asdfp277 01.19.16	"He was a pot head and it fucked him up royally." "Salvador had held various jobs after completing a media studies course at college, including as a fitness instructor, but lost his work pasting advertisements on billboards three days before the attack." "Salvador’s friends told police he regularly smoked skunk cannabis, took cocaine and had been known to drink whole bottles of spirits each day." u sayin?
zakalwe 01.19.16	I sayin on that day he only been on the joints
sonictheplumber 01.19.16	this is top notch trolling zakakaewe has never. ever. ever. ever. ever... seen anybody smoke a joint and decide to tear their eyes out and kill the neighbor
zakalwe 01.19.16	Yep you're right dude it is a bit of a high benchmark to start off on and they certainly don't all turn out like that. I'll go to me original point though. Visit a psychiatric ward, it's a right eye-opener.
sonictheplumber 01.19.16	johnny dont buy weed anymore actually, kinda moved past the stoner phase and he's into chemistry. im still the same as i was in like 2009
MyNameIsPencil 01.19.16	marijuana caused my brother to become a burnout lol he was actually going down that road with or without drugs so i really don't care
sonictheplumber 01.19.16	when i say chemistry i dont mean he cooks crank i mean he's studyin chemistry at college while i get baked
zakalwe 01.19.16	Sonic. They are two separate incidents, two different people yes I have. Fuck me what do you want me to add. "Apologies to the old girl I slaughtered I'd had a bit of an off day. Broadmoor has set me straight now I'm back on the meds."
sonictheplumber 01.19.16	and zak cut the fake brit accent why this retarded chav talk? smoke a chode and relax
sonictheplumber 01.19.16	the facts is mate ah me brella see jah fah wey?
zakalwe 01.19.16	Well I don't know which one I regularly visited but it certainly woke me up to a few things dude. Sonic, In my 'accent' hear me say this. "You some sort of cunt mate?"
dbizzles 01.19.16	IN.
londoncalling457 01.19.16	Weed was introduced to earth by the Gorvaxians many eons ago and is a gift from the far reaches of the galaxy
zakalwe 01.19.16	I don't know why I'm on the moral high ground I love a bit of skag to take the edge off.
sonictheplumber 01.19.16	wow. spreadin anti-bud lies for cameron's pigfuckin ass, meanwhile youre secretly tokin!
claygurnz 01.19.16	I smoke maybe once or twice a year, not the biggest fan tbh, but I have no problem with it being legalised.
zakalwe 01.19.16	Injecting sonic. I'm no lightweight, I'm all in or nothing. Share needles the lot. Fuck it, legalise it.
sonictheplumber 01.19.16	yeah i trap. you?
zakalwe 01.19.16	:D
londoncalling457 01.19.16	Legalize skooma
sonictheplumber 01.19.16	Nice
YakNips 01.19.16	i haven't touched the reefer in 15 hours and i feel like a brand new man
MadDemonofConfusion 01.19.16	I had an episode of psychosis after almost two years of regular pot use. Just putting it out there that that shit can happen, but I'm all for the legalization.
FearThyEvil 01.19.16	I don't smoke weed but it's dumb as shit to be illegal
MadDemonofConfusion 01.19.16	Yes, good one
dmp3131 01.19.16	I'd probably smoke often if it were legal. But any time I have it's made me much better. I suffer from anxiety and depression and so do most of my friends and it helps. Not saying it's the best thing out there, but since most doctors won't prescribe things like Adderall and such, it is an option. But like some have said it isn't for everybody, but neither is alcohol, or cigarettes. But those are legal. Really I don't think it would do any harm to legalize it. If anything it might help the country, considering the taxes/profit that come from the industry.
anarchistfish 01.19.16	"Out. Exacerbates mental health issues dudes." so do you
AnimalsAsSummit 01.19.16	sm0k 24/7 & prog the fuck out
Satellite 01.19.16	so in
BlacKapes 01.19.16	legalize everything over the counter, why the fuck cant i go to the store and buy vicodin/morphine if i want it? my body my choice. i still get vicodin but itd be much better if it were legal bc it would definitely be cheaper over the counter than what i pay
hal1ax 01.19.16	You gotta get past the opiates and just blaze it boi. shit is wack
BlacKapes 01.19.16	weed is meh, no substitute for opiates, theres a reason why theyre the most abused class of drug in the usa
hal1ax 01.19.16	Tis a slippery slope my nig
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	legalize drugs!
BlacKapes 01.19.16	yeah ive never done straight dope either, different preferences for different people i guess
hal1ax 01.19.16	Used to shoot tar lol. Stick to weed brutha man. All will be well in the cosmos.
flalafell 01.19.16	never smoked or done drugs but yeah it should probably be legal at this point
BlacKapes 01.19.16	just for some proof, portugal legalized all drugs, doing pretty well too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
BlacKapes 01.19.16	well not totally legal but decrimnalized
DirEnRefused 01.19.16	weed can be legal if it makes people who smoke weed shut the fuck up about it.
flalafell 01.19.16	i feel that as long as its regulated like cigarettes and alcohol, and we educate kids about how dangerous they are, it wouldn't be a big deal to legalize them. The economic benefits alone would make it worth it
Satellite 01.19.16	no educate them how not dangerous weed is
Avagantamos 01.19.16	set the truth free
Asdfp277 01.19.16	is it legalized yet
Ignimbrite 01.19.16	what the fuck is this
Satellite 01.19.16	a website
Asdfp277 01.19.16	wow what a prick, rude
hal1ax 01.19.16	The bards will sing songs of your heroism for millennia to come
evilford 01.19.16	Tried smoking weed w/ my buddies 5ish times. Don't have a problem w/ it but I don't get the big deal
DirEnRefused 01.19.16	yeah everyone has the same experience. the whole stoner crowd make it out to be some kinda way of life bullshit and it's just a relatively innocuous drug with relatively innocuous effects. it can be legal with zero issue objectively when you compare it to fags and booze but you just can't go too far the other way and deny that substance abuse in any form doesn't have inherent dangers. hopefully when and if it's legalised the best outcome will be that both extremist poles of the argument will be shown to be ridiculous and it can stop being a big deal.
Negator 01.19.16	"I once took an aspirin, I killed my entire family and used their corpses to recreate the entire Chicken Run movie stop-motion style, it was poppin'" Lmfao I'm done
Ashen 01.19.16	Cannabis is king. Also learning meditation has been super helpful for me. Found my spirit guide while floating in the ether, it was sweet
InFiction 01.19.16	I wouldn't really consider myself a typical "stoner" but I can say with the utmost sincerity that smoking weed has had nothing but positive effects of my life. Admittedly there was a stage when I thought I was overindulging, but I feel like as long as you can recognise that then why not?
zakalwe 01.19.16	Again not everyone but some just completely white wash mental health issues, have a complete failure to want to understand or be conversant to others people thoughts and experiences. An individual thinks it's great so that's the line drawn under it and everyone else is just going to have to learn that there are no downsides whatsoever and we will all reap the benefit of a more productive, conducive, empathetic and tolerable society. I'm saying 'no' soley on the experiences that I have seen outweigh the positives to such an extent that there's no way I'd like it to be freely introduced into society. That's not to say factors of decriminalisation, use for medicinal purposes and the like shouldn't be considered or introduced though. Skunk, and the strong types of weed are essentially the things that fuck it up. I've been to Amsterdam (I saw a bloke have a meltdown there as well, fair enough it may have been shrooms) and again it's a case of the 'morons' wanting an inch, taking a mile and getting completely fucked on it. New orders have been introduced over there to bring things in control to a certain extent because people inevitably take the piss.
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	Which album has the sleeve saying alcohol is the drug of western society (outwards) and pot is an eastern society drug (inwards)? That. western society isn't really set up for cannabis, fundamentally an ill fit Gave up smoking it years ago, there's a point when not smoking it becomes the drug. Cotton wool living loses its appeal in time.
zakalwe 01.19.16	Chris de Burgh?
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	Could be :D
smaugman 01.19.16	1) legalize it 2) study long term effects, especially notice the amount of psychiatric patients 3) keep it or ban it but people should calm down about it, no big deal i guess, penalties for buying/ selling and smoking are way out of line
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	I think it is actually included in a Bonnie Prince Billy/Will Oldham sleeve but can't remember which Weed stays in your system a long time is the deal breaker - in all that time society doesn't really want you to drive, operate machinery, be around children...or be at work in general. And if you're not at work it's not long before this society hates you - so weed is up against it. Can't ever see it being legalised More likely alcohol being demonised like tobacco tbh - has already started 'no safe limit, no health benefits' research just last week across all the media
zakalwe 01.19.16	Sugar is the one.
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	Watching Mad Men at the moment - just shows a drug everyone can't imagine living without getting a stigma attached to it and then it's goodnight. I remember people sparking up on aeroplanes lol Sugar is another yeah, fat tax and insurance hikes before long
zakalwe 01.19.16	I was thinking about the smoking thing recently. Remember when everyone smoked? Fucking ridiculous, cafes' top-deck of the bus, pubs, clubs, shopping centres, the teachers at school having a sly one in the classroom, everyone. It was like France.
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	The good old days when smoke masked the stench of farts, urinal cakes and stale vomit in the clubs and pubs Unfortunately the pair of jeans you were wearing always carried the odour of bonfires
smaugman 01.19.16	tbh im not for legalization, but still think the punishments are too harsh
UpwardSpiral 01.19.16	I'm from the Netherlands...
TheSpaceMan 01.19.16	just legalize it theres literally no point not to
smaugman 01.19.16	people argue that alchohol is just as bad, but they dont realize that there are infinitly more people drinking than smoking weed. if you had 100 000 weed smokers vs 100 000, there would be a lot more problem with the blazers. Besides, alchohol doesn't have long term effects like weed does. weed alters your mind chemically and if you have a special brain it can fuck you up. on the other side, you got people who can actually use it for good, like people with seizures. if it was to become legal, the legal age should be 30 years+ because it can harm your brain when you're young
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	I've known people go psychotic from it yeah, the strong stuff isn't harmless
Aftertheascension 01.19.16	I honestly don't get why weed is illegal and alcohol is legal. It honestly makes no sense, alcohol is far worse and the worst part is that it causes you to text your ex.
mifzal 01.19.16	People don't drink because it is a trend, they do it because its a common social practice. I see no difference between the current propagators of weed/meth (on the internet) and underage beer enthusiasts
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	After - c'mon the reasons are obvious: - most people smoke it and smoking's already practically outlawed - the strong stuff can cause longer lasting mental issues way quicker than booze - at its heart it's no way near as social a drug as booze - the ruling classes still personally prefer booze - the effects stay in your system longer than alcohol making it hard to be a functioning 'clean' member of society
Aftertheascension 01.19.16	"After - c'mon the reasons are obvious: - most people smoke it and smokings already outlawed - the strong stuff can cause longer lasting mental issues way quicker than booze - at its heart it's no way near as social a drug as booze - the ruling classes still personally prefer booze - the effects stay in your system longer than alcohol making it hard to be a functioning 'clean' member of society " That's why you don't smoke it like you drink water. Anything like that will harm you if you do it every day.
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	Was just saying why the politicians won't legalise it, not personal like/dislike for it
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	British society for one has proven it can't control its urges to binge so the politicians' predictions would be if you legalise this a high proportion of the populace will binge smoke
zakalwe 01.19.16	Crazyontheweekend.
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	That's the British ethos summed up in album title form
smaugman 01.19.16	"It honestly makes no sense, alcohol is far worse and the worst part is that it causes you to text your ex." this is pure bullshit
Asdfp277 01.19.16	lmao how so, seems 100% right tbh
Asdfp277 01.19.16	Was on a party recently, dude on alcohol and weed texted her ex but it was to talk about pineapples or some shit lmao
smaugman 01.19.16	it's not a coincidence that alcohol is legal while drugs arent
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	fina be legal in canada asap, youll be next usa hang on
SharkTooth 01.19.16	the main reason marijuana was kept illegal to begin with was because at the time the law was made there was very little known about the drug, the government, not wanting to risk it, ruled it illegal. Ever since even with new information lawmakers still kept to this ruling out of weed even when it was shown that marijuana was less dangerous than even legal substances like alcohol and tobacco so yeah the reason weed isn't legal is just that people are afraid of change
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	fast forward to the 2010s and the marijuana industry is massive multi billion dollar black market suck hole that will inevitably be regulated in due time
Zig 01.19.16	Drugs and alcohol are special licences to act like an asshole (that's why these issues are so important), but people should be free to chose their own destiny. These stuff only became a problem when other people get hurt, like if an airplane pilot smokes weed before a flight. This may sound stupid, but usually drug consumers do stupid things, isn't that 100% right ?
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"This may sound stupid" ^that is 100% right
Friday13th 01.19.16	Come on guys, drinking alcohol without getting drunk is easy, healthy, and responsible. You don't have to toss your brain out when drinking. Tobacco only has health effects same as junk food, no loss of functioning. The argument that legalizing will stop illegal drug lords is bull, since it'll get more people curious to all the other drugs these drug dealers sell. Maybe crime punishment is too harsh on small dealers and users but that doesn't make legalizing marijuana overall good for society. It clinically decreases motivation in people. It's addictive not to all but to many. There is good reason it is not grouped with alcohol and tobacco.
StarlessCore 01.19.16	all drugs should be legal for adults to possess and use on their own personal property govt shouldnt be involved
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	Starless - So if neighbours moved in next door and started taking meth with all that entails you'd be happy with that? Cos well behaved addicts are ten a penny in the world right? Just lol
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"Tobacco only has health effects same as junk food" lolololololol fuck o ff
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	i suggest you get out of the fucking 50s kid and do some basic research on the real health and economic costs of tobacco use (and ideally then compare to marijuana statistics) fucking morons man
StarlessCore 01.19.16	it depends if they do not harm anyone and stay on and in their property, I couldn't care less people get absolutely destroyed on legal prescriptions like vicodin, oxy's, plenty of opiates. Use personal judgment and responsibility if you are stupid enough to use street-level meth, do it on your own property, don't harm anyone, don't bring it on to my property, don't use the drug in public places. if it was legal, you'd mainly be harming the cartels and the illegal drug trade industry, if your brother was a heroin addict, at least you'd know where he's getting his drug from better regulated than from some dude on the corner, meng
StarlessCore 01.19.16	and as for your edited comment, theres plenty of ways to use drugs responsibly ive seen people so messed up on alcohol, a legal drug, that you'd think they were on PCP yet at the same time, you can drink responsibly and its not illegal, and also, it's ingrained in our society as 'ok' even though data shows that 30% of all violent crime committed in this country is associated with alcohol use Im saying, take a different look at drugs, the drug war, how we treat drugs, since pharma makes millions off of opiates that aren't drastically different necessarily from the street heroin we imprison poor people for possessing
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	Legalised you'd have to expect drug use to escalate and certain drugs produce addicts who won't display rational behaviour - they may stay on their property, they might not Some drugs are just far more intrinsically addictive and habit forming than alcohol and will change behaviours far more quickly I'd say look at gun laws where the argument of the benefits of arming the majority who supposedly will display common sense has still caused all manner of mess in the States.
smaugman 01.19.16	this hippie way of thinking is getting out of hand "yo bro do whatever you want fuck the gov man, do drugs wht i dont care" and guitardedchuck is a fucking fuckface, you suggest we are backwards and conservative because we believe in something you dont. you just toss insults on others who dont agree with you, grow up if hard drags became legal, that would be extremely fucked up. you argue that you don't care what other people do, but it's stupid not caring that people fuck themselves. the work force would get poorer and society would be burdened by drug addicts marijuana is the only drug that is responsible being legal
StarlessCore 01.19.16	and if they dont stay on their property, they are prosecuted as such just as they are today if they are caught simply possessing the drug, where if its something such as meth or heroin, they automatically (most of the time) get charged with a felony just for POSSESSING the drug and do you really think if street meth was legal, a significant amount of people would start the habit over time? I would argue most people who use meth or crack are doing it whether it's legal or not with marijuana legalization, you will see a significant rise in adult use (teen use has gone down since colorado legalizing it) but 1. explain why thats a bad thing 2. marijiuana is in a completely different class than really any other drug moreover, its not to say my view wouldnt have its challenges and problems. But we have plenty of problems now with the way that we prosecute drug users, and the way we treat drugs from a legislative point. More people have been killed in violence associated with the drug war/trade than addicts have died from addiction. A fact. That's something that needs to be addressed imo
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	ehh alcohol is one of the most addictive after opiates cocaine and nicotine tbh (and probably more destructive given it's prevalence + tendencies to affect judgement)
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"if hard drags became legal, that would be extremely fucked up. " plenty of hard drugs are already legal, and plenty of people still use the illegal ones whether they are legal or not, and the world keeps turning regardless
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"this hippie way of thinking is getting out of hand "yo bro do whatever you want fuck the gov man, do drugs wht i dont care" and guitardedchuck is a fucking fuckface, you suggest we are backwards and conservative because we believe in something you dont. you just toss insults on others who dont agree with you, grow up if hard drags became legal, that would be extremely fucked up. you argue that you don't care what other people do, but it's stupid not caring that people fuck themselves. the work force would get poorer and society would be burdened by drug addicts marijuana is the only drug that is responsible being legal" i never suggested "hard drags" be legalized you fucking imbecile, learn english
StarlessCore 01.19.16	well i sure do think they should be legal so he should be attacking me instead
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"but it's stupid not caring that people fuck themselves. the work force would get poorer and society would be burdened by drug addicts" absolute stupidity tbh
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	society would be less burdened by addicts probably given the tax revenue as opposed to the money being 100% sucked up by organized crime
smaugman 01.19.16	"marijuana is the only drug that is responsible being legal" i never suggested you said that, starless did you're saying illegal hard drugs are already used, well duh of course, but making them legal would very possibly make the problem bigger
smaugman 01.19.16	legalizing drugs so drug cartels will disappear is a pretty poor arguement. why should you make something bad okay because criminals will lose revenue? it's a big loss for society as well if drugs worse than marijuana are legal "absolute stupidity tbh" why is that?
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	because then the money can be put towards supporting addicts, getting people off the street, and a better education system as a form of prevention for future generations falling into the same lifestyle i believe canada already said that 100% of future marijuana revenue is going to be put towards the health system (addiction and mental health services)
StarlessCore 01.19.16	I think the opposite but ok "society would be less burdened by addicts probably given the tax revenue as opposed to the money being 100% sucked up by organized crime" ^^^^ and the regulation. no more questionable crack from the dude outside your apt....get your regulated crack right hurr and voters in the state can decide what to put the tax revenue towards maybe cut income tax a bit and replace some of that revenue with drug tax revenue why make the street corner dude rich
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	Starless - I'm saying politicians are looking at drugs and the opposite is happening. It's more likely they'll agree with you that alcohol is harmful and look to reduce the intake of that in the same way as tobacco rather than legalise everything as it 'might not even be as harmful as booze' (as logical as that argument may be).
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"Starless - I'm saying politicians are looking at drugs and the opposite is happening. It's more likely they'll agree with you that alcohol is harmful and look to reduce the intake of that in the same way as tobacco rather than legalise everything as it 'might not even be as harmful as booze' as logical as that argument may be." in terms of marijuana this is false given the increasing number of states going the way of legalizing and the entire country of canada undergoing this process currently
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"it's a big loss for society as well if drugs worse than marijuana are legal" you just keep making blanket statements lol. no backing. you just keep saying over and over its a big loss for society. Why is it a big loss? because you don't think people should use drugs? THEY ALREADY DO. If somebody gets messed up on drugs (like when a dude gets mad drunk and hits someone) they got prosecuted for that. But do I get prosecuted when I go to the bar and get really drunk and walk home? No, because I don't hurt anyone. I choose to accept the responsibility of being intoxicated if you want to get intoxicated, follow the proper guidelines, dont harm anyone else if you do, you will be prosecuted for what you did, just as we prosecute drunks who are violent in public. Alcohol is a legal drug and they can use it, but if they abuse it to the point where it affects other people, or if they drive, prosecuted thats how we should treat all drugs imo not to say all drugs are the same as alcohol. However, people dont shoot dope normally and then beat up their roommate, but people do get drunk and punch their roommate in the face
StarlessCore 01.19.16	we shouldn't give an adult a felony for simply possessing an illegal drug. Its a waste of our courts time and money
smaugman 01.19.16	the reason why more and more people is because pot smokers are incredibly vocal about it and those who oppose dont care very much
StarlessCore 01.19.16	HOWEVER if they have the drug and wander on to somebody elses property and commit a violent act, jailed and drug tested constantly for a long time however, if they ARE responsible and are only harming themselves, why interfere People should never eat anything at Wendy's or McDonalds. Ok it may not intoxicate you, but heart disease is caused mainly by poor diet and we have the knowledge to know how awful fast food is for human consumption. So know the facts, and if you choose to eat it, eat it
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"the reason why more and more people is because pot smokers are incredibly vocal about it and those who oppose dont care very much" yeah because that is how polling works god damn i had higher expectations for the users of this site, you guys need to go back to school and learn about stuff and things
smaugman 01.19.16	starless you are justifiying drugs because people take them? :D:D::D:D you also say that i just say something without backing them up, while you do exactly the same "Why is it a big loss? because you don't think people should use drugs?" of course I don't want more people to take drugs. it's extremely bad for your health, brain, body, face etc
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"the reason why more and more people is because pot smokers are incredibly vocal about it and those who oppose dont care very much" another ridiculous generality. Plenty of people who oppose it care a lot they're just wrong i can see why some people dont agree with my libertarian anti-govt intervention view into adult drug use but when it comes to marijuana, i honestly believe if you don't want it legalized for recreational use, you're an idiot at this point and have to get over yourself
smaugman 01.19.16	"god damn i had higher expectations for the users of this site, you guys need to go back to school and learn about stuff and things" again, you just insult because you dont agree with me. if people absolutely want marijuana legal - fine. it's not very important to me, but i still wouldn't like it
DoofusWainwright 01.19.16	Yeah the situation feels very different in the UK - currently there's a lot of demonising of drinkers, smokers, vapers, hover board riders, drone flyers...no one looks in the mood to legalise sh*t, just the opposite in fact lol Starless - when smoking is so frowned upon it seems a bit arse about tit to me that you'd then shove spliffs in everyone's mouths but hey it's all fun across the pond. If society is sniffy about smoking then surely it'll be twice as bad over cannabis
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"starless you are justifiying drugs because people take them?" sort of, if they dont harm anyone else and abide other justifiable laws, sure "it's extremely bad for your health, brain, body, face etc" so is fast food and red meat, so outlaw this too right? so is using your smartphone religiously as our generation does. science has proven we are gonna have big issues because of it. Outlaw this? Government shouldn't tell you that you can't do something because it's bad for your health. As long as facts are available to the public, make your own choice
smaugman 01.19.16	"they're just wrong " wow, you're incredible ignorant. you say people who disagree with you are wrong and stupid basically
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	a two second google search tells me that the most recent USA general population poll i could find shows that 60% of americans support marijuana legalization 70% of canadians 50% of the uk learn to do your own research and learn to think critically im out
StarlessCore 01.19.16	on the subject of legalizing weed in all 50 states though, the original point of the thread yes, yes, yes we should be supporting adult experimentation and responsible use of this drug, not condemning it
StarlessCore 01.19.16	@smaug yeah, my OPINION is that people today who believe we should keep marijuana illegal for adult use are stupid, yea
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"it's not a coincidence that alcohol is legal while drugs arent" oh dear god thats dumb
smaugman 01.19.16	you are making stupid comparisons, junk food and drugs are remotely the same. one thing is that fast food don't fuck up your brain or is addictive in most cases and another is that you can't really just snort some cocaine here and there like you can eat a burger. same goes for smartphones, smartphones are revolutionary, and probably only a fraction of smartphone users got problems. However, I am concerned about handing out computers, iphones, ipads etc to little kid so they can shut up for a while
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	"of course I don't want more people to take drugs. it's extremely bad for your health, brain, " are you seriously associating this statement with every drug out there? bro... do some fucking research lol
smaugman 01.19.16	and guitarded is right, almost 60% of those under 30 want marijuana legalized in america, then they got the right to want it. i can still argue against legalization without having to know how many actually support it most drugs do harm to your brain, and of course there are differences. marijuana for once is pretty light compared to others, and next to none in many cases. other drugs like meth, heroine, lsd can fuck you up pretty hard.
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"same goes for smartphones, smartphones are revolutionary, and probably only a fraction of smartphone users got problems. However, I am concerned about handing out computers, iphones, ipads etc to little kid so they can shut up for a while" weed is revolutionary imo PROBABLY only a fraction of users got problems from it Are you listening to yourself? Oh you think PROBABLY only some people got problems from it. What are you basing this on? Scientists have shown us plenty of data on why smartphone addictions are going to cause major issues later in life for those in our generation. My point using that is explaining why saying drugs should be illegal because theyre bad for you is dumb
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"are you seriously associating this statement with every drug out there? bro... do some fucking research lol" yeah its getting pathetic at this point. generalities so many things that are bad for you are legal lol, pretty much everything causes cancer hahaha BESIDES WEED
smaugman 01.19.16	you said earlier i dont have sources, while you do EXACTLY the same "Scientists have shown us plenty of data on why smartphone addictions are going to cause major issues later in life for those in our generation" like who?? give me proof lol
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"almost 60% of those under 30 want marijuana " that is not what i said you fucking cunt SIXTY PERCENT OF THE GENERAL POPULATION go fuck yourself dude
smaugman 01.19.16	http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/there-link-between-marijuana-use-mental-illness my brother used to smoke alot of dope a year when he was living alone, he was kind of depressed, and it got only worse when he got into that bad circle. not saying all cases are like that, im sure it can be used at a social means too general population of earth, dude??? :D:D:D lolokloll edit: nvm i misunderstood
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	my brother used to eat a lot of mcdonald when he was living alone, he was kind of depressed, it only got worse and he became obese diabetic and died of heart failure my brother used to drink a lot of alcohol when he was living alone, he was kind of depressed, he drove drunk and ran into a 5 year old girl and killed her, he is now jailed for life my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother
StarlessCore 01.19.16	lol what are you even talking about at this point right lets listen to the us gov on drug abuse. the same gov that declares marijuana is in the same category as heroin, peyote and crystal meth dear lord please let this stupidity end
StarlessCore 01.19.16	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA my brother used to drink a lot of alcohol when he was living alone, he was kind of depressed, he drove drunk and ran into a 5 year old girl and killed her, he is now jailed for life my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother my brother
StarlessCore 01.19.16	my brother got addicted to sugary snacks like twinkies he got really fat, 700 pounds, didnt get surgery, died of obesity time to outlaw Hostess
Nazzadan 01.19.16	Dude weed, lmao
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	you can't punish someone for ingesting something that only affects them. and we can't just keep teaching kids "no rly guys drugs are bad, trust us we know" even though no one teaching that shit has any idea what they're talking about. the whole system is a goddamn farce. legalize all drugs, get rid of the stigma, get rid of the cartels, and let people who wanna do em do em. Portugal has been doing it since like 2000 i think and it seems to work for them
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	my brother smoked cigarettes, he lived to be 250 years old because the government has a good reason to keep them legal, god bless america
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"you can't punish someone for ingesting something that only affects them. and we can't just keep teaching kids "no rly guys drugs are bad, trust us we know" even though no one teaching that shit has any idea what they're talking about. the whole system is a goddamn farce. legalize all drugs, get rid of the stigma, get rid of the cartels, and let people who wanna do em do em. Portugal has been doing it since like 2000 i think and it seems to work for them" agree hard but portugal pretty much just decriminalized drug use, you cant go into a store and buy heroin lol but they are on the right path
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	true, true, but yes, miles ahead of everyone else it seems. has any other country even attempted that?
smaugman 01.19.16	you know what? i dont care. if im going to stand up as the only one who cares just a little about others then fuck it and it's impossible to argue with people like you guys who only makes fun of those who oppose you
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	i do not care about others
hal1ax 01.19.16	Dang yalls went ham whilst I slumbered. Too much shit to read but ya smoke weed bitches
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	"if im going to stand up as the only one who cares just a little about others then fuck it" you should run for office man
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	why you gotta be sarcastic like that dude, do you even care about others
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"you know what? i dont care. if im going to stand up as the only one who cares just a little about others then fuck it" ok so boycott fast food its destroying people
StarlessCore 01.19.16	why do you feel like poop after eating KFC you ask because you are shoving chemicals and garbage down your throat
dbizzles 01.19.16	'The argument that legalizing will stop illegal drug lords is bull, since it'll get more people curious to all the other drugs these drug dealers sell.' SINCE IT'LL GET MORE PEOPLE CURIOUS TO ALL THE OTHER DRUGS THEY SELL?????? You know, probably 90% of pot dealers I've had over the last 10 years only sell pot. Never once have I been like, 'Hey, mang. I know I am buying this bag of weed from you and that's why I'm here, but do you have any of that sweet china white? I've never tried it in my whole life, but this ganja has me curious."
StarlessCore 01.19.16	i dont get what that means tho how will people get more curious to all other drugs those drug dealers sell, if all drugs are legal and sold in regulated stores what drug dealer would exist
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	"why you gotta be sarcastic like that dude, do you even care about others" not really tbh, must be all the weed i smoke "if all drugs are legal and sold in regulated stores what drug dealer would exist" yes
Mystletainn 01.19.16	It should be legal so people can smoke it and look for jobs at the same time.
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	what sucks is that even when it's legal a lot of jobs are prolly still gonna drug test
zakalwe 01.19.16	What's more concerning? Drug dealers hanging outside the school gates or kids using drugs?
dbizzles 01.19.16	That's fine and should be expected. I haven't changed employment much, but I always assume I will be tested so I clean out for a few weeks. Most employers, as far as I have experienced, only test before offering you a job or if they have reason to believe you may be using at work. Get hired and then get high on the regs.
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	im in real estate make nigh 6 figures and sssss$$$$$mmmmoooooaaaa@kkkk my life is in shambles and i do not care about others
Mystletainn 01.19.16	Ya but not everyone gets a job right away
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	i dont understand the point you are trying to make
anarchistfish 01.19.16	"Cannabis is king. Also learning meditation has been super helpful for me. Found my spirit guide while floating in the ether, it was sweet" meditating high is impossible
anarchistfish 01.19.16	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
anarchistfish 01.19.16	"Again not everyone but some just completely white wash mental health issues, have a complete failure to want to understand or be conversant to others people thoughts and experiences. An individual thinks it's great so that's the line drawn under it and everyone else is just going to have to learn that there are no downsides whatsoever and we will all reap the benefit of a more productive, conducive, empathetic and tolerable society." not denying that there a lot of dumbass stoners "I've been to Amsterdam (I saw a bloke have a meltdown there as well, fair enough it may have been shrooms)" it was probably shrooms "I'm saying 'no' soley on the experiences that I have seen" typical reactionary smh
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	believe or not there are a lot of dumbass not stoners see: smaugman
anarchistfish 01.19.16	"I was thinking about the smoking thing recently. Remember when everyone smoked? Fucking ridiculous, cafes' top-deck of the bus, pubs, clubs, shopping centres, the teachers at school having a sly one in the classroom, everyone. It was like France." lol go to asia "The argument that legalizing will stop illegal drug lords is bull, since it'll get more people curious to all the other drugs these drug dealers sell." wow you're even dumber than zak. legalising weed will move weed away from the source of harder drugs. moron
anarchistfish 01.19.16	"see: smaugman" i'm not even gonna start on that
ElegantElephant 01.19.16	xXxSTRAIGHTxEDGExXx
Boyproblems 01.19.16	weed sucks
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	given your taste in music i suggest you smoke some
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	"Get hired and then get high on the regs." my work does "random" drug tests. i got tested twice in barely 2 months
YetAnotherBrick 01.19.16	"meditating high is impossible" wtf? you're joking, right?
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	ya that was a total noob thing to say lmao
smaugman 01.19.16	alot of weed smokers are dumbasses see:anarchistfish/guitarded_chuck
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	i completely outargued you kiddo and you got all pissy and mad and left, so if im a dumbass i dont dare try to find the applicable adjective for you
Friday13th 01.19.16	@anarchistfish do you think drug dealers that have made their living selling weed or other drugs are just gonna throw their hands up in the air as soon as weed is legalized? No. It's still would be illegal for minors to buy, so where are they gonna get it? There are still black markets for almost any legal product in order to avoid regulation/taxes/etc. AND most importantly legalization will undoubtedly increase the number of users who are at much larger statistical proneness to try other drugs, drop out of school etc.
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	cool theory bro but that isnt what has happened in places where it has been legalized sooooooooooooo ---> no
DinosaurJones 01.19.16	I just want it to be legalized so people who smoke it will SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT.
Oceandrowned 01.19.16	Make it for every1
smaugman 01.19.16	You claim u won the debate because u bash all my opinions and call me names while arguing poorly back? You must be an extremely childish person
Friday13th 01.19.16	These are long term effects, did you think a few years in Colorado will give enogh statistics? And yes, they have there are more users in the legalized places. Black market has not gone away. Other drugs are being sold. Businesses aren't buying the hoopla and will screen you because it statistically does affect job performance.
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	u didnt win cuz u think counterin ur opinsions is bashin u
smaugman 01.19.16	You are indeed right that apparently 58% of americans support legalization, then I believe it should be legalized. But american drug culture is larger than european, especially scandinavian. Weed smokers are so fanatic in trying to legalize it that they forget and even ignore the negative aspects of it, like you and starless have done. Your way of arguing is simply claim others are wrong or their facts are. Really, most og your comments contain at least one offensive word aimed at me
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	never once did i try and denounce the negative aspects of it in fact, we said there were negative aspects about it, but there are for other things too, for example, tobacco and alcohol so if you think marijuana should be illegal, tobacco and alcohol should too but it seems you mindlessly trust what your government allows for your sake and the quality of your life moving forward i fucking hope that you arent that closed minded and blind to your reality and authoritative figures really, most of your comments contain at least one statement that you try to put in my mouth that i never said THAT is why YOU are impossible to argue with dont go to law school m8
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"Weed smokers are so fanatic in trying to legalize it that they forget and even ignore the negative aspects of it, like you and starless have done." there are negative aspects to everything. lets hear you name some about legalizing weed tho love to hear it
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"Other drugs are being sold. Businesses aren't buying the hoopla and will screen you because it statistically does affect job performance." show me the stats that marijuana users who DONT use at work but in private life affects job performance if anything it makes me better at my job less stressed and I sleep better at night so I'm more alert for work in the morning horrid, dumb, pathetic statement
StarlessCore 01.19.16	then all the people who drink heavily must have bad job performance too lol
DinosaurJones 01.19.16	Moreso than weed. I don't partake in either, but I consider alcohol way worse than marijuana. Of course, I have no facts to base this on, its merely my opinion. But I've heard way more accounts of alcohol royally fucking up someone's life than I have about weed.
StarlessCore 01.19.16	yeah cause thats the truth of the situation alcohol abuse is far more severe than marijuana abuse, simple fact
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	look at deaths associated with alcohol vs marijuana case closed
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death alcohol induced deaths - 29,000 ALL OTHER elicit drugs combined - 17,000 marijuana induced deaths - 0 so, like, if you want marijuana to be illegal, thats fine, but you better back your logic up with a support for prohibiting alcohol as well or you are a mindless illogical fucking hypocrite
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	cardiovascular disease - 796,494 respiratory diseases - 149,205 im not claiming all of A are from obesity, all of B are from tobacco, but they are definitely contributors thereof so while we are at it, lets ban unhealthy diets and tobacco
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	vote g_c 2016
smaugman 01.19.16	"for your sake and the quality of your life moving forward i fucking hope that you arent that closed minded and blind to your reality and authoritative figures" again! you call me shit for not agreeing with you, and you say that im blindy trusting me government, which is bullshit. they never talk about it or anything. marijuana legalization isnt a big deal over here. i am actually eligible to make up my mind and own opinions
hal1ax 01.19.16	drinking negatively effected my performance at work and in school far worse than weed ever did. Maybe if you are taking huge ass bong rips all day long it will fuck your job performance up but if you use in moderation its all gravy.
Friday13th 01.19.16	Deaths relating to something aren't the only thing we look at in society. Poor driving causes far more deaths but we don't make driving illegal. I can drink one glass of wine and it will have only beneficial effects. One joint will still impair your judgement. No one is saying weed kills.
StarlessCore 01.19.16	it should be a big deal everywhere government shouldnt ticket you for possessing it government shouldnt lock you up for selling it, should be sold in stores businesses shouldnt have it on the fivescreen, they can if they wish and thats fine, but many do because of it's status as a federally illegal drug we shouldnt be paying tax money to support its illegality and policing government should earn tax revenue off sales and voters should decide how its spent
smaugman 01.19.16	hal1ax can actually argue and I agree with him. marijuana is fine with me in some degree when it's moderately used
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"I can drink one glass of wine and it will have only beneficial effects. One joint will still impair your judgement." yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh youre gonna have to give a better argument than that buddy
smaugman 01.19.16	weed shouldnt be sold to people under 25 and once again, chuck doesnt say anything besides critizising and mindlessly blabbing
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"Deaths relating to something aren't the only thing we look at in society. Poor driving causes far more deaths but we don't make driving illegal. I can drink one glass of wine and it will have only beneficial effects. One joint will still impair your judgement. No one is saying weed kills." weed doesnt only not kill, long term use of it pales in comparison to the long term use of alcohol, cigs, pills, opiates, fast food, unhealthy food, list goes on glass of wine only having beneficial effects is false. One glass a day is very good for you for many reasons, however it doesn't refute the point about alcohol alcohol is not meant to be ingested in any way shape or form you black out when you have too much because your body is trying to tell you stop drinking this human rat poison thats dehydrating you
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"weed shouldnt be sold to people under 25" why it should be 21 for medical any age
smaugman 01.19.16	starless, i agree what with you say to some extent, but drugs "harder" than marijuana/hash should still be illegal even if you are a responsible adult the reason why is because marijuana affects a brain especially much in your child/teen years. 21 is still too young, your brain is still not fully developed
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	i feel like the people that claim drinking is healthy are the type that watch doctor oz and go do a single pilates class every new years (fat)
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"21 is still too young, your brain is still not fully developed " ????????????
smaugman 01.19.16	"weed doesnt only not kill, long term use of it pales in comparison to the long term use of alcohol, cigs, pills, opiates, fast food, unhealthy food, list goes on" that's not true. alcohol doesnt really do anything to you unless you're a really heavy drinker (alcoholic kind) and fast food can be reversed by exercising and eating healthy again, while marijuana is mostly inreversible
smaugman 01.19.16	http://www.muirwoodteen.com/teen-marijuana-abuse/brain/
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"starless, i agree what with you say to some extent, but drugs "harder" than marijuana/hash should still be illegal even if you are a responsible adult" we simply fundamentally disagree on that, but fine "the reason why is because marijuana affects a brain especially much in your child/teen years. 21 is still too young, your brain is still not fully developed" bad argument tho. At 21, I respect an adult to make that decision regardless. Alcohol has a similar affect on a developing brain, but alcohol drinking is 21. it aint even illegal for a 14 yr old kid to smoke a cig. Thats horrid for every part of your body regardless of age. You can get in trouble for giving a cig to a kid and they cant buy it, but technically you can use tobacco product at any age you are again using the point "it's bad for you" to define why the government should restrict it more. Then honestly, regardless of the fact that it doesn't get you high, make fast food an 18 age requirement. because guess what, its horrible for you, absolutely, undoubtedly, horrible. It causes heart disease, the no 1 killer
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	"http://www.muirwoodteen.com/teen-marijuana-abuse/brain/" damn nice source bro i take it science isnt your strong suite
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"http://www.muirwoodteen.com/teen-marijuana-abuse/brain/" nobody is saying teens should use marijuana in recreation as I said before, age 21 thats not teen age
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	regardless, he posted a link to a site for kids with substance abuse issues, and the claim on the site is not backed by any sort of peer reviewed research i.e. it is garbage and unusable in any sort of meaningful medical discussion
smaugman 01.19.16	AND AGAIN HAHAA OMG GUITARDED, YOU ARE SO FUCKING HORRIBLY RETARDED, YOU JUST BASH MY SOURCES AND INSULT ME WHILE NOT COMING WITH ANYTHING BACK
hal1ax 01.19.16	uh effects of marijuana are not irreversible... also, marijuana has tons of medical value, especially in the isolation of the cannabinoid called cannibinol.
StarlessCore 01.19.16	"that's not true. alcohol doesnt really do anything to you unless you're a really heavy drinker (alcoholic kind) and fast food can be reversed by exercising and eating healthy again, while marijuana is mostly inreversible" 1. wrong on the alcohol point, dont need to be a lifetime alcoholic to experience long term side effects from being a drinker, thats fact lol 2. exercising and eating healthy an reverse side effects of most things, diet and lack of exercise are why people drop dead in large numbers and become unhealthy 3. but the long term effects of marijuana are still being debated, and, of what we DO know, aren't that serious, especially compared to other drugs, its not even close
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	THERE IS NO FUCKING SOURCE DUDE THERE IS LITERALLY NO LINK TO THE CLAIM ON THAT WEBSITE, ARE YOU 12 DO YOU KNOW HOW FACT CHECKING WORKS WHATSOEVER, CAPS LOCK ENGAged
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	this kid a fucking moron im not wasting my time any more, pce fam
smaugman 01.19.16	http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/marijuana-use-and-its-effects?page=2 marijuana effects arent really that serious, but people should be careful not doing it too often
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	do people truly try to find ways of backing their beliefs through unbacked sources in 2016 is our world seriously this fucking uneducated on the basic facts of life i am fucking BAFFLED
smaugman 01.19.16	lolol you call me kid while you cant even argue properly
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	yeah keep reeling dude if we keep going at this rate youll be injecting 12 marihauans a day to the face because you cant think for yourself
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	purple elephants are real guys lol you dont know anything, check my source http://chadswaringen.authorsxpress.com/files/2012/08/baby-purple-elephant-3.gif
smaugman 01.19.16	first you say my sources are crap, while you arent supplying any, when i use government pages you also say that's crap, make up your mind
smaugman 01.19.16	i can think for myself very much, can you? :))
hal1ax 01.19.16	lol, smaug, chuck is right, that first link u gave is really weak dude. they don't cite shit, no empirical backing whatsoever. just like, ... ya this is how it goes down folks, yep, trust us.
smaugman 01.19.16	where would you get your sources then?
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	lol oh god
smaugman 01.19.16	it's time for you to shut the fuck up
zakalwe 01.19.16	I've had a horrific experience from it. I truly have but people choose to ignore it, they don't like to be told someone's personal negative experience in something they deem so 'enlightening.' Fuck it, legalise it.
guitarded_chuck 01.19.16	do you care to elaborate z or is that too personal
StarlessCore 01.19.16	there are people in society (its a very low amount) that can induce like a psychotic episode from it. however, the same is pretty much true for those people with ANY mind altering substance
StarlessCore 01.19.16	think we should all blaze a blunt and CHILL
smaugman 01.19.16	i think we should all agree that marijuana got pros/cons and should be legal if there is a majority for
StarlessCore 01.19.16	everything is two sided, man but the point is marijuana prohibition in 2015 is a sad joke and needs to end, asap
hal1ax 01.19.16	ya pros and cons for sure man, like with anything
anarchistfish 01.19.16	"alot of weed smokers are dumbasses see:anarchistfish/guitarded_chuck" lol not only did you get completely outargued i go to a better college than you ever will tbh "@anarchistfish do you think drug dealers that have made their living selling weed or other drugs are just gonna throw their hands up in the air as soon as weed is legalized? No." you mean exactly like most of them have in states where it's now legal? lol what choice do they have. their market is wiped out. "It's still would be illegal for minors to buy, so where are they gonna get it?" fucking from SOME OTHER OLDER kid like they do with alcohol dumbass "There are still black markets for almost any legal product in order to avoid regulation/taxes/etc." as if the black market for weed is gonna be able to maintain anywhere near the size it has after legalisation "most importantly legalization will undoubtedly increase the number of users who are at much larger statistical proneness to try other drugs, drop out of school etc." funny you mention dropping out of school cos anyone who's spent 5 minutes reading a statistics text book would know you're full of shit
smaugman 01.19.16	maybe you should provide some sources and lol, i dont really get "outargued" by being trashtalked, and you certainly dont have the ability to win any discussion because you supossedly have gone to a college, retard
Cryptkeeper 01.19.16	I mean in Holland there still is a pretty big black market for weed and illegal drugs, but that's mostly due to taxes. And the quality of the weed goes up anyway, because cultivators sell to dealers what they can't sell to the coffeeshops. It's just safer and more profitable for the government, so maybe then you can fix up your educational system.
Cryptkeeper 01.19.16	Wait going to college is an achievement?
Friday13th 01.19.16	"you mean exactly like most of them have in states where it's now legal? lol what choice do they have. their market is wiped out." Their market is not wiped out, that is a lie. Supporters want marijuana to be taxed and require sellers to have a license in some absurd scheme to help the economy. You can grow weed in your back yard. Current dealers will likely lower their prices but they can still have a cost/price advantage even to legal-age adults. "from SOME OTHER OLDER kid like they do with alcohol dumbass" It's funny how even people who idealistically want weed for adults recognize that children will still be the victims now that they can more easily get it from their parents. wow. Irresponsible adults can now give some to more negatively-affected minors through some hushed, quasi-legal means, and there will still be a black market to all other kids.
anarchistfish 01.19.16	i'm sure if you're truly interested enough to have an opinion on this topic then you can use google smaug
Cryptkeeper 01.19.16	Weed is legal in enough countries to reason that it's no that big of a problem mate.
anarchistfish 01.19.16	"It's funny how even people who idealistically want weed for adults recognize that children will still be the victims now that they can more easily get it from their parents. wow. Irresponsible adults can now give some to more negatively-affected minors through some hushed, quasi-legal means, and there will still be a black market to all other kids." yeah except that's still illegal whether weed is or not. honestly this logic
Friday13th 01.19.16	Okay, Hep, maybe it is unrealistic about growing your own at least on a grand scale, but how about a quick "turnaround", then? Buy a ten pack, sell em to under-age kids who have responsible parents. Black market ain't going away. I'd would rather teach my girl to respect her mind as the most valuable part of her body tbh.
Friday13th 01.19.16	@anarchist but you have no problem with illegal things being more prevalent than they already are? Because that is the logical outcome in the case of minors illegally obtaining weed. I thought you would be the kind of person against a punishment focused system and more for a preventative system.
Friday13th 01.19.16	Hep, if the escapes have measurable negative effects on society I don't see how it's unreasonable or "holier than thou." I thought progressives like yourself look for the ideal world not accepting things as they are.
Friday13th 01.19.16	ass of u and me haha yup but seriously think about it. If I'm assuming wrong then watch some Milo with me haha
hal1ax 01.19.16	I'm surprised how many ppl on here are against legalization
Mystletainn 01.19.16	"smaugman is young and in the way" His arguments are kind of like the band... they're shit D.A.R.E exposes kids to drugs
Mystletainn 01.19.16	Like I said earlier, all I want to do is smoke my bud, work a job and people leave me the hell alone. I shouldn't have to be drug tested to get a job, I have no interest in smoking on the job because that's a damn waste of bud. It helps my appetite and sleep pattern, if you want to take those opportunities away from people who just want to work, you're an asshole.
Friday13th 01.19.16	^ maybe not, Hep, but we're nipping kids at the bud. And we wonder why Asian kids and young adults consistently score higher on standardized tests. They are also coincidentally the least likely demographic to turn to substances.
hal1ax 01.19.16	it helps people around the world with all sorts of disorders, ranging from insomnia to epilepsy. obviously if u smoke like a damn chimney all day every day, its going to fuck with your working memory and maybe a few other things.. it comes down to just not smoking like a retard fiend boi
hal1ax 01.19.16	lol doesn't japan have one of the highest suicide rates in the world?
Mystletainn 01.19.16	"And we wonder why Asians consistently score higher on standardized tests." I don't understand how this is at all relevant. Stereotyping all asians as genius's is actually a NEGATIVE social stereotype.
Friday13th 01.19.16	I was specifically talking about Americans but yes the Japanese have a culture lenient to suicide.
Friday13th 01.19.16	@Myst lol give ME that negative stereotype any day @Hep sorry, forgot to clarify I was just talking about the U.S. (Asians in the U.S.)
Mystletainn 01.19.16	stereotypes are always wrong because it's just an assumption.
Friday13th 01.19.16	@Myst sorry, can't agree with you there. A stereotype backed by data is just statistics and doesn't mean I go around assuming everyone's like that.
hal1ax 01.19.16	haha ya i have a few asian friends that do not fuck around with a blunt
Mystletainn 01.19.16	So I guess all black people are killers and thugs/drug dealers. All fat people ate too much fast food. All asian's have to be an engineer or they should kill themselves for dishonoring their family. Mexicans only eat tacos. All stoners are brain-dead lazy asses. All strippers are cock sucking sluts. all pitbulls attack people. All girls with short hair are lesbians. Anything else?
Mystletainn 01.19.16	agreed lol
Friday13th 01.19.16	omigosh Myst accepting FACTS doesn't mean I think everyone falls into one single data point governed by means and medians and bell curves and stuff. Obviously, some of the things you listed are not even supported by statistics they're just insults.
ArsMoriendi 01.19.16	I feel like the worst thing that would happen to pot if it was legalized would be that they'd put all of the garbage they put in cigarettes in it. All the smart pot heads would either grow it themselves or still buy from dealers. But hey at least they'd stop being arrested for stupid shit.
Friday13th 01.19.16	lol we've never actually "freed the ganj" at the scale you're suggesting, Hep. We don't know what will happen, but we can try our best to logically predict.
Mystletainn 01.19.16	"Obviously, some of the things you listed are not even supported by statistics they're just insults." I'm just giving you more examples of stereotypes. I HAVE heard people say stuff like this more than a handful of times. Stereotypes are not supported by facts, they are generalization that can't possibly apply to all those they try to categorize.
Mystletainn 01.19.16	"stereotype: to believe unfairly that all people or things with a particular characteristic are the same" At the root, stereotypes are almost always hurtful. "We don't know what will happen, but we can try our best to logically predict." You guys are welcome to try, it's amusing.
Friday13th 01.19.16	Myst, Asian kids ON AVERAGE (as in add their test scores and divide that number by the number of Asian kids tested) score higher than other demographics. It's a fact. Asians also statistically abuse substances less frequently. No one is twisting anything for anyone's gain. Stereotypes are sometimes based on some fact like this. Doesn't mean you go up to an Asian kid and ask him to do your homework assuming he's smart.
Mystletainn 01.19.16	"Myst, Asian kids ON AVERAGE (as in add their test scores and divide that number by the number of Asian kids tested) score higher than other demographics." It probably has nothing to do with their race and more to do with their culture and society. Also the American education system is a complete joke, that could be why we're so behind now.
Friday13th 01.19.16	I know it's part of their culture, Myst. I admire that and want to emulate it. I never said they are inherently smarter. Yes, the public school system is a joke, but I am still referring to Asian kids living in the U.S. We agree, though!
Mystletainn 01.19.16	"I know it's part of their culture, Myst. I admire that and want to emulate it. I never said they are inherently smarter. Yes, the public school system is a joke. We agree!" I think our education system definitely needs a reform. You were saying asians score higher than us... well look at Korea, they go to school for like 16 hours a day and get MUCH less breaks and holidays than American kids. A good majority of American kids nowadays hate school, try telling them to go to school for 16 hours a day.
smaugman 01.19.16	actually, eastern asians like japanese, chinese and koreans are one of the smartest people in the world
Friday13th 01.19.16	I know, it's crazy. It's so topsy turvy now. Back when Floyd wrote "Another Brick in the Wall" it was like "yeah, quit being such dicks, teachers!" Now I feel sorry for teachers teaching high school and under. Not college though, they're living the life. Kids are often so disrespectful and unmotivated.
Friday13th 01.19.16	@smaug no doubt man, just don't know the statistics on that. It's also harder to compare with all their systems of education and achievements.
Shuyin 01.19.16	I just got out of court, one of my friends was caught with some weed and the judge was trying to fuck him pretty hard, even the lawyer didn't seem to give a shit. Sentence will be read next week, we're hoping for some community service bullshit
anarchistfish 01.20.16	"@anarchist but you have no problem with illegal things being more prevalent than they already are? Because that is the logical outcome in the case of minors illegally obtaining weed. I thought you would be the kind of person against a punishment focused system and more for a preventative system." this argument literally only works if you think weed should be illegal in the first place so idk what point youre trying to make "Hep, if the escapes have measurable negative effects on society I don't see how it's unreasonable or "holier than thou." I thought progressives like yourself look for the ideal world not accepting things as they are." why do reactionaries who never look at the science always fall back on "this is just reality" "And we wonder why Asian kids and young adults consistently score higher on standardized tests. They are also coincidentally the least likely demographic to turn to substances." wow! what a hypothesis! what a discovery this would be to the scientists researching this fascinating topic! would be great if you could turn this into your own research project. of course you'd need a high school diploma first
guitarded_chuck 01.20.16	"It's just safer and more profitable for the government, so maybe then you can fix up your educational system." lol rekt yeah guys legalize ill be back in 10 years then we can have meaningful discussions once you fix up that MINOR issue
guitarded_chuck 01.20.16	wait you wont youll just funnel it into defense spending anyway imoutttt
Lord(e)Po)))ts 01.20.16	"the final battle of humanity will come down to weed smokers vs non weed smokers" well thats short sighted. not all weed smokers promote legalization and not all non weed smokers think it should be illegal.
guitarded_chuck 01.20.16	I GOT HIGH HOPES FOR YOU NIGGAS, WE GON SEE my favorite site disappointed me today
PurpleDino 01.20.16	if you don't think all drugs should be legal, you should change your mind immediately
Shuyin 01.20.16	Not in the states, I'm from Portugal. The cops do have tolerance for small doses although it's still illegal, but he was caught with more than what's acceptable. Tbh the community service bullcrap is the best thing to do here instead of going in or doing home jail or whatever it's called over there (staying at home with an electronic device that will call the cops automatically if you leave the house). Swear, my bro was almost crying when it looked like he could actually do time, specially because it's not his first offence, kinda got to me since he's one tough motha. We still have to hear the final sentence next week, I hope he doesn't go in
Aftertheascension 01.20.16	great thread
Itwasthatwas 01.20.16	In general, I support legalization, or at least decriminalization. The one caveat in that is I need to learn more about the potential connection between psychotic disorders and marijuana. I'm a physician, but not a psychiatrist, so I'm not really up to date on studies regarding the relationship between weed and onset of true psychotic disorders. But I do remember during my training several anecdotal cases of rare patients who just started smoking weed, triggering the first onset of their then permanent schizophrenia. Perhaps they would have developed it anyways, perhaps not, and perhaps they would have developed it later, or with a lesser severity. I imagine its a fairly difficult thing to study reliably and there by nature can't be any RCT data on this. In general I think that if society is ok with alcohol it should probably be ok with marijuana, and we all know alcohol can have serious long term health concerns - but schizophrenia and related disorders are absolutely devastating in terms of quality of life years lost and it may not be worth it if we're exposing more and more predisposed people to a substance which potentially precipitates the onset of their disease. I'll have to make some time to look into the subject.
Itwasthatwas 01.20.16	If we're banning anything, Tobacco is the substance that should really be banned - in addition to lung cancer it predisposes you to a shitload of other conditions, and has pretty much no positive value. It's very marginally protective against ulcerative colitis but I can't imagine anyone health conscious is looking at that risk-benefit analysis favourably.
mifzal 01.20.16	somebody said tobacco has not health effects. It is, in fact it has a higher external cost, if we are to ignore the personnel costs. One of my aunt was diagnosed with ovarian cancer at age 34, the doctors said being around smokers (her husband is one too) led the cancer to grow faster than it should have been.
hal1ax 01.20.16	@itwasthat - THC has been known to quicken the onset of psychotic disorders, but the predisposition has to still be present in the particular individual. someone who is not already predisposed to a particular form of psychotic disorder will not have any issues with marijuana. Also, marijuana has been known to heighten the severity and duration of manic episodes among bipolar patients. But ya, as I've said many times before, it also can improve quality of life for people suffering from dozens of other disorders, so i think medically, the pros outweigh the cons.
YetAnotherBrick 01.20.16	"if you don't think all drugs should be legal, you should change your mind immediately" how succinct. beautiful, even
ZippaThaRippa 01.20.16	If you're a person who thinks that your opinion matters more than anyone else's you should blow your brains out
Futures 01.20.16	dude weed lmao
hal1ax 01.20.16	brutal.
Futures 01.20.16	hep kat dude WEED lmao
Itwasthatwas 01.20.16	Hal1ax, certainly marijuana has a number of medical usages - but legalizing recreational weed is a bit of a different discussion than legalizing or normalizing its medical usages (depending on where you live). I don't think it makes sense to conflate the two. Regarding a predisposition to psychosis - if you have a family history that you know about sure, but a lot of people would never know that they're predisposed per se. I'm not sure on what scale these cases occur considering pot usage is already quite widespread but I do wonder if its a good idea to take that next step in exposing people to marijuana on the same scale as alcohol. I guess we'll find out.
Futures 01.20.16	did the man who invented college go to college?
ZippaThaRippa 01.20.16	Marijuana isn't real.
Futures 01.20.16	is wario a libertarian?
ZippaThaRippa 01.20.16	Hep you're drunk, put your shirt back on
hal1ax 01.20.16	@itwasthat - Ya i hear you on all that. People with psychotic predispositions usually have really bad experiences using cannabis, and i don't think that one single use is going to trigger onset of a psychotic disorder/episode right then and there. People would have to just use good judgement, like try it once or twice, and if they have a really bad reaction, cease further use.
anarchistfish 01.20.16	"If you're a person who thinks that your opinion matters more than anyone else's you should blow your brains out" if you think all opinions are equally valid youre an idiot
londoncalling457 01.20.16	Just remembered why I stopped posting here
StarlessCore 01.21.16	this thread was fire
DinosaurJones 01.21.16	Like I said in my first post in here, which would solve the problem of this entire thread: Legalize so people will shut up about it.
StarlessCore 01.21.16	just like gay marriage
Mystletainn 01.21.16	"Just remembered why I stopped posting here" And nothing of value was lost, RIP.
TheSpaceMan 01.21.16	anyone know when Chipotles are gonna close for the whole ecoli investigation?
aaronrkc 01.22.16	420
PurpleDino 01.26.16	"If you're a person who thinks that your opinion matters more than anyone else's you should blow your brains out" sorry to bump but looool, it's not really a matter of opinion legalisation of all drugs is empirically beneficial for everyone apart from drug dealers and organised crime