Blast Beats???
 

Iv heard alot of drummers talking about them but what exactly are they and can you give me some examples
thanx :thumb:

[QUOTE=murderdoll666]Iv heard alot of drummers talking about them but what exactly are they and can you give me some examples
thanx :thumb:[/QUOTE]

This isn't an advanced thread.

But to get the gist of a blast beat, just take your basic Phil Rudd beat, (bass snare bass snare bass snare), and speed it up insanely.

Basically any beat you hear in death/black metal.

[FONT=Courier New]Blast Beats
These are beats mainly centering on an 8th or 16th snare beat. At really fast tempos, many drummers "cheat" by playing the 8th note kick parts alternating, rlrl or lrlr. This is done either because their double kick chops aren't very good, or because they cannot get sufficient volume out of the kick drums for them to cut through the music.
Here are the two most common blasts:

H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X—
S-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-
B-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-
This is known as the “Suffo Blast”, “American Blast”, or “Hammer Blast”
H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-
S—-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
B-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-
This is the alternating, or “European Blast”
You can also play this open handed or switch the sticking to lrlr
You can also have double bass 16ths in blasts, so:
H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-
S-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
B-0000000000000000
Known as the “Cannibal Blast”
or
H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-
S—-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
B-0000000000000000
Known as the “Bomb Blast

One of the craziest blasts around uses a one handed roll on the snare with 8ths or 16ths on kicks and 8ths on the hihat
so:
H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-
S-0000000000000000
B-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-
Known as the “Gravity Blast”
You can also play quarters on the hats, or switch to the ride cymbal, play accents on the ride bell, etc, etc. The possibilities are endless.[/FONT]

well i think he just about covered it, lol. IMO their overused. still have their place in music though

that was actually really helpful. +rep :)

[QUOTE=darkavatar]that was actually really helpful. +rep :)[/QUOTE]
No problem man.

Yea i was going to ask the same question earlyer but i found another thread.

Just check out Cryptopsy - Benedictine Convulsions

Or any Cryptopsy song, the drummer has insanely good blast beats

Yeah haha. I heard that he plays one at 340 bpm on Cold Hate, Warm Blood. Apperently though, he becomes very inconsistent live.

I don't know where you heard this, but Flo is a very very Good player, and I have seen 2 live cryptopsy shows and the both we're pretty tight. There we're some parts where it was a "little" off but nothing real bad. Pretty **** good for the insane speed they play at.

[url]http://www.extremedrumming.com/[/url]

There's a video there talking about blast beats. The sound quality sucks, but I guess it's a decent video. Click on "Articles and Video" and then look to the right of the page.

Hope this helped a bit.

If you wanna see some crazy blast beats open up a p2p program and download a solo by Derek Roddy.

[QUOTE=zxt titanium freak]If you wanna see some crazy blast beats open up a p2p program and download a solo by Derek Roddy.[/QUOTE]
indeed.(would rep +, but no rep any longer)

[url]http://www.drummagazine.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=860&mode=thread&order=1&thold=-1[/url]

[QUOTE=the thing that should never be]Yeah haha. I heard that he plays one at 340 bpm on Cold Hate, Warm Blood. Apperently though, he becomes very inconsistent live.[/QUOTE]

340 eh?...do you really realize how atmoicly impossible that is. Who ever you heard that from may have been talking about 16th notes or 8th notes instead of 1/4 notes. It's ok tho, alot of people don't truly understand the concept of bpm

[QUOTE=Flintfire3]340 eh?...do you really realize how atmoicly impossible that is. Who ever you heard that from may have been talking about 16th notes or 8th notes instead of 1/4 notes. It's ok tho, alot of people don't truly understand the concept of bpm[/QUOTE]
No, trust me, it’s 8th notes. I’ve heard the song. The concept of blast beats, as shown in my guide is primarily a constant 8th note snare beat is absolutely insane. And no it is not impossible. It takes a lot of work to play those speeds, but it is not impossible. Anything can be done, it just takes a lot of work.

[QUOTE=Flintfire3]340 eh?...do you really realize how atmoicly impossible that is. Who ever you heard that from may have been talking about 16th notes or 8th notes instead of 1/4 notes. It's ok tho, alot of people don't truly understand the concept of bpm[/QUOTE]

Hi everybody, this is my first post :)
I can play 25000000 bpm believe it or not :thumb: it's really easy writing things on the internet :naughty:

Ahem, you'd assume the guy is talking about 16th notes so it would be 1360 bpm. Drumcanman's bpm record is something like 1440 and Hellhammer's working towards playing 1200 in clean singles (these are double bass speeds btw)

That's something to think about.

[QUOTE=firefoxzero]Hi everybody, this is my first post :)
I can play 25000000 bpm believe it or not :thumb: it's really easy writing things on the internet :naughty:

Ahem, you'd assume the guy is talking about 16th notes so it would be 1360 bpm. Drumcanman's bpm record is something like 1440 and Hellhammer's working towards playing 1200 in clean singles (these are double bass speeds btw)

That's something to think about.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Personally, I think WFD is crap for the most part. I think speed is only good when it is played cleanly. Waterson usually plays pretty sloppily, also he plays heel toe, which is really easy to play fast if you practice it enough. Hellhammer is hitting those crazy speeds entirely with singles, which are much more difficult. Think about that.

[QUOTE=Flintfire3]340 eh?...do you really realize how atmoicly impossible that is. Who ever you heard that from may have been talking about 16th notes or 8th notes instead of 1/4 notes. It's ok tho, alot of people don't truly understand the concept of bpm[/QUOTE]

Once Derek Roddys website is back up have a search on "gravity blasts" in the forum. you'll find a big old thread and also some videos of people doing it.
I didnt believe either until I saw that.

[QUOTE=the thing that should never be]Yeah. Personally, I think WFD is crap for the most part. I think speed is only good when it is played cleanly. Waterson usually plays pretty sloppily, also he plays heel toe, which is really easy to play fast if you practice it enough. Hellhammer is hitting those crazy speeds entirely with singles, which are much more difficult. Think about that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I knew that, still, if ya can play 1440 beats in a minute (as opposed to bpm) it's still fair enough imo. Waterson comments that it's got nothing to do with music anyway.

Oh well, I imagine you probably know all this anyways. :p

[QUOTE=firefoxzero]Yeah, I knew that, still, if ya can play 1440 beats in a minute (as opposed to bpm) it's still fair enough imo. Waterson comments that it's got nothing to do with music anyway.

Oh well, I imagine you probably know all this anyways. :p[/QUOTE]
Lol. WTF 1440 beats in a minute IS 1440 BPM dumbass!

And I would say that anybody on here who claims to be able to play a <u>consistent</u> beat at any speed over say, 250 bpm (and hell thats pushing it) is probably bull$hittin.

In fact, I think it should be a rule that noone ever makes ANY claims as to their drumming speed unless their going to prove it with cold hard evidence (i.e a recording). Otherwise, shut up about god **** speeds. It doesn't matter anyway. Even if 1440 BPM was possible, wot kind of a song is going to warrant it? POINTLESS.

[QUOTE=punkdrums]Lol. WTF 1440 beats in a minute IS 1440 BPM dumbass!

And I would say that anybody on here who claims to be able to play a <u>consistent</u> beat at any speed over say, 250 bpm (and hell thats pushing it) is probably bull$hittin.

In fact, I think it should be a rule that noone ever makes ANY claims as to their drumming speed unless their going to prove it with cold hard evidence (i.e a recording). Otherwise, shut up about god **** speeds. It doesn't matter anyway. Even if 1440 BPM was possible, wot kind of a song is going to warrant it? POINTLESS.[/QUOTE]
Its not BEATS per minute, its HITS per minute. so in 16ths, 1440 hits per minute would equal 1440/4=360 bpm. Still, incredibly fast. But please, do not clog up threads with these meaningless rants. If you actually think what you're saying should be done, then please talk to noe of the mods.

[QUOTE=well i think he just about covered it, lol. IMO their overused. still have their place in music though [/QUOTE]

Anything with a blast beat in it is not worthy of being called music

[QUOTE=Adare][QUOTE=well i think he just about covered it, lol. IMO their overused. still have their place in music though [/QUOTE]

Anything with a blast beat in it is not worthy of being called music[/QUOTE]
Idiot. That is so untrue, its not even funny.

Adare, what a stupid comment that was.

[QUOTE=Adare][QUOTE=well i think he just about covered it, lol. IMO their overused. still have their place in music though [/QUOTE]

Anything with a blast beat in it is not worthy of being called music[/QUOTE]

you suck

[QUOTE=the thing that should never be]Yeah haha. I heard that he plays one at 340 bpm on Cold Hate, Warm Blood. Apperently though, he becomes very inconsistent live.[/QUOTE]

Utterly impossible. Nobody alive can play a blast beat that fast.

Tim Waterson's record was an average of 16th notes at 360 bpm for a minute. When he uses his so-called "toe-down" technique to reach those speeds, you can barely hear the second stroke of the double. And because it is so quiet, a trigger would not register the second hit at all, and a mic would pick it up as mud, not playing. So that speed would be useless in a musical situation.

NOT TO MENTION that playing anything with your hands in unison with your feet at speeds greater than 250 is almost impossible.

The fastest single strokes possible are about 270 bpm 16th notes. Only a few guys can do it. Flo might could, Derek probably could, and I know Pete Sandoval can. Tim Waterson can play 270 singles with his right foot, but can't keep them together with a double.

Regarding the gravity blast, Flo is very inconsistant at "hyper-blast" speeds. So I don't believe this 340 nonsence for a second, when I've seen a video of him struggling at 250.

350 bpm is inhuman, plus constant blast beats get really overused and become annoying, its like yes we know you can do that, now do something new.

anyone have a recording have the gravity blast?

Lol. Gravity blast. That's a new one for my book. Well said.

[QUOTE=cjcdrums]Utterly impossible. Nobody alive can play a blast beat that fast.

Tim Waterson's record was an average of 16th notes at 360 bpm for a minute. When he uses his so-called "toe-down" technique to reach those speeds, you can barely hear the second stroke of the double. And because it is so quiet, a trigger would not register the second hit at all, and a mic would pick it up as mud, not playing. So that speed would be useless in a musical situation.

NOT TO MENTION that playing anything with your hands in unison with your feet at speeds greater than 250 is almost impossible.

The fastest single strokes possible are about 270 bpm 16th notes. Only a few guys can do it. Flo might could, Derek probably could, and I know Pete Sandoval can. Tim Waterson can play 270 singles with his right foot, but can't keep them together with a double.

Regarding the gravity blast, Flo is very inconsistant at "hyper-blast" speeds. So I don't believe this 340 nonsence for a second, when I've seen a video of him struggling at 250.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. The super fast 320-340 blasts, well those aren't really proper blasts per se, more just the left hand going insane on the snare and everything else trying to keep up. They stil hit insane tempos, but the drummers always use 2 footed 8th notes as well.

a slight variation on the blast beat being the break beat, where the hihat/ride/ whatever is rolling, eg:

[FONT=Courier New]Hihat:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Snare:x x x x x x x x
Bass_: x x x x x x x x[/FONT]

oh so it that thing what dave lombardo does in a lot of slayer songs then

yep or like in 94 hours off when i lay dying

...I think blast beats are lame...that is all

[QUOTE=lewisniven]a slight variation on the blast beat being the break beat, where the hihat/ride/ whatever is rolling, eg:

[FONT=Courier New]Hihat:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Snare:x x x x x x x x
Bass_: x x x x x x x x[/FONT][/QUOTE]
Thats not a blast beat.

i only like using blasts in breakdowns or little fills that makes the music sound conflicting in a really cool sorta way otherwise i rarely use blast beats for actual beats unless it sounds good in a certain place

The fastest double bass playing is 24.7 notes per second......... Hahahahahahaha

[QUOTE=murderdoll666]Iv heard alot of drummers talking about them but what exactly are they and can you give me some examples
thanx :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Going BACK TO THE THREAD! Lol. Still interesting to see everyone's prespective. Listen to The Black Dahlia Murder, Or At The Gates, Those are your typical blast beats just sped up quite a bit. Sometimes they're played fast enough to sound like rolls, as TTTSNB said.

...Also, There's plenty of music that uses them, Metal is popular amongst them, one of the first beats I started doing actually (Started drums with "Metal Intitution") So it shouldnt be too much of a hassle unless your trying to do that roll techinique, that takes some practice to sound good. :thumb: