I prefer the slide tecnnique
 

lately there has been alot of hype bout the "heel-toe" technique but after learning to play both i prefer the slide technique and can still get fast triplets effortlessly. Any one else use the slide technique predominately? And does anyone want instructions on it since there is more than enough on heel-toe? thanks

I find slideing easier to do, especially because I've got quite big feet. You can get the doubles and triplets all even aswell I find, or If you want accents, it's easier to do aswell. With hell toe I think you just get the two sounds: loud or quiet.

I agree, my feet are only between a 8 and 9 but i still have trouble with my iron cobra. heel-toe doesnt impress me much...

Oh, I dunno....Porcaro? :p He had a nasty slide technique, very fast and clean doubles.

Yea.. very true!

If you can do it.. do it.

too true. but hav any of u guys tried bouncing the foot a bit instead of a complete slide. it helps on grippy pedals like the eliminator.

im up to trying this technique, anyone have a explanation?

I think mylious johnson called this a "modified moeler thecnique" i do this also its much easier to figure out.

ok well. lets say you wanna play a double on ur bass in 16th notes:
For the first stroke, your foot needs to be quite far down the pedal (i do this heel up).
use your toes and push down but as soon as u hit, u slide your foot up to the top of the pedal and hit again.
May sound useless, but the pedal is slanted upwards right? So if you slide your foot almost forward the second stroke will happen with out you doing much because you are still pushing the pedal down.
This technique may be harder to visualise than "heel-toe" but it is actually so much easier and smoother.

Don't know if thats a good explanation, but if u cant understand, il draw a picture or try do a little movie clip for you.

I use the slide technique, now I have been shown how to do it properly by my instructor. Takes a bit of getting used to, but IMHO much more versatile than heel/toe in the long run.

its also great for accenting certain bass notes because u have more control then with HT

Its pretty good, but it doesn't help when you want to go to triplets or further. :lol:

i dont know, i can go pretty fast. eg triplets and further.

I've never noticed any more hype about the heel-toe technique than I have about the slide technique. Slide technique is more versatile, but is harder to learn. Either is good to know.

well put

[QUOTE=British Boy]Its pretty good, but it doesn't help when you want to go to triplets or further. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Having seen Andy Edwards play bloody fast triplets using the slide technique with ONE FOOT, I can quite confidently state that you are most incorrect sir!

what is slide technique ?
i know foot,toe and heel-toe technique
what is the 4th?

[QUOTE=musicpfdg]what is slide technique ?
i know foot,toe and heel-toe technique
what is the 4th?[/QUOTE]
um the slide technique is the 4th. its kind of like a toe toe tecnique, i explain in in one of the above posts.

could you please guide me a clip ? or a picture ? anything ? a url ?

ok, i just need to get hold of a camera, check back in a couple days and il either have my own clip or an url for you.

[QUOTE=musicpfdg]could you please guide me a clip ? or a picture ? anything ? a url ?[/QUOTE]

he already said it

[quote=breakster]ok well. lets say you wanna play a double on ur bass in 16th notes:
For the first stroke, your foot needs to be quite far down the pedal (i do this heel up).
use your toes and push down but as soon as u hit, u slide your foot up to the top of the pedal and hit again.
May sound useless, but the pedal is slanted upwards right? So if you slide your foot almost forward the second stroke will happen with out you doing much because you are still pushing the pedal down.
This technique may be harder to visualise than "heel-toe" but it is actually so much easier and smoother.[/quote]

[QUOTE=breakster]I agree, my feet are only between a 8 and 9 but i still have trouble with my iron cobra. heel-toe doesnt impress me much...[/QUOTE]
yea same here...I mean big feet. My shoes are 11 right now (though I'm very short), but my last shoes were 9 and I can wear 10 too, it all depends on the brand.

But I find slide a LOT easier, i can't even DO heel-toe on my pedal, my heel with heel-down rests at the bottom (non-moving) part of the pedal

what pedal do u have?

is the slide technique simialr to what Chad Smith uses? i saw a video of him a while back and from what you describe it sounds to me like he does that. or is it me not understanding?

Actually, I too use the slide technique, and have always used it. I just never really had the Heel-toe down right with my Iron Cobra's, and never really bothered to sit down and get Heel-Toe working since Slide works great for me.

[QUOTE=ToMsK]is the slide technique simialr to what Chad Smith uses? i saw a video of him a while back and from what you describe it sounds to me like he does that. or is it me not understanding?[/QUOTE]
I havnt seen the vid, but he probably does use the slide technique im talking about.

with slide technique we can play triplets? or 2 notes? or both ?
actually i havn't try it yet , i play out side of the home and it is too cold here !
anyway any clip ? pic ?

*bump*
im just making it easier for the guy who was interested in slide to find this thread.
sorry

sweet, I could never even atempt HT because i wear size 11 shoes. I'm excited gonna go try now.

Thanks for bumping this thread. Cheers. :)

[QUOTE=TDrummer219]sweet, I could never even atempt HT because i wear size 11 shoes. I'm excited gonna go try now.[/QUOTE]
good luck, let me know if you need clarification on anything.

[QUOTE=British Boy]Its pretty good, but it doesn't help when you want to go to triplets or further. :lol:[/QUOTE]

If your going beyond triplets, its a good idea to use a double pedal.

[QUOTE=breakster]lately there has been alot of hype bout the "heel-toe" technique but after learning to play both i prefer the slide technique and can still get fast triplets effortlessly. Any one else use the slide technique predominately? And does anyone want instructions on it since there is more than enough on heel-toe? thanks[/QUOTE]

Hey it would be cool if u could give me instructons on it!!. thanks

It never ceases to astound me that people think you can't do heel toe with big feet. I wear size 13-14 shoes and I use it perfectly comfortably. Get informed before giivng up on something like that, a technique would not become that popular if Pygmies were the only people that could use it.

For all those with big feet....

Heel toe is entirely possible. The technique itself does not actually depend on the heal of your foot stepping on the pedal. It is actually about the center of your foot (just before your toes) which does the first step, folowed up by the toe hit. It only looks like the heel is hitting it, but it is actually not. And thusly...Heel-toe should be managable for just about everyone. Though perhaps it would be harder to learn for people with big feet. But yeah. I had to say that.

BTW, I got this information from an instructional video. I am surprised that more people haven't brought it up, or been informed.

You don't have to have the entire foot on the pedal in order to perform heel toe. Anyone who says their feet is too big to do heel-toe is seriously misinformed.

Ok, so Slide you slide your foot from bottom too top 2 do 2 fast consecutive 8th/16th bass hits (or even triplets) and... ok I gonna stop - does anyone know of a really good explanation of this (slide) and Heal-toe, I got a double kick and can get the 16th's going pretty good - still need practice but you know, and wanna figure out this 32nds (how it works - practice slowly) are ther are any vids around etc? also - I was always taught to use ball of the foot etc and have for the 7 yrs I been pllaying but now I perfected that do you think those types of "rules" don't apply because we should come up witht our own comfortability etc? thanks for this guys!

Yes, I would also like to request a video...if there have been any made, or if anyone wants to make one. That would be wonderful!

il try get hold of a camera

I have a friend that can do it and he can keep it going somehow. It sounds like he is playind db because he can keep it constant. He makes it look so effortless is not even funny. I've tried to get it right for months, and still haven't. I can play heel down and kick really fast and do doubles at will, but usually only if it is followed up by a snare hit.