Associations between Western classical and metal
 

[quote]I think the 'Classical' thing was added to Metal when it was, so as to add another layer of complexity to the music. Ya had the bands which were doing the blues-based, sludgy thing early on. Then, Priest showed up and laid the foundation for what later would be Thrash (quick, galloping staccato rhythms) This right here is really the stuff that can't be differentiated from what goes on in Classical. It's a little more ornate, and of a slower tempo in Classical, but the patterns of the runs are pretty much the same. Same scales and modes employed in both, right? And, Maiden's music just made it even more apparent. Then, ya got Randy after them, and then Metallica after Randy. That's pretty much the entire era of the heavy Classical influence in Metal. All the Glam bands came in and brought their cheesy Pop Music structures and Metal was forced to go underground to regroup and rethink the gameplan.[/quote]

Unfortunately, copying scale patterns and modes does not make your music classically influenced. To illustrate this a different way, a thousand Western orchestral instrumentalists playing a "neoclassical" metal song does not make it a classical song. And a thousand of the most skilled classically trained metal instrumentalists playing a classical song does not make it classical or "neoclassical" metal.

By the way: no homoerotic penis waving i don't want another good thread closed!

[QUOTE=Amit;16487636]Unfortunately, copying scale patterns and modes does not make your music classically influenced. To illustrate this a different way, a thousand Western orchestral instrumentalists playing a "neoclassical" metal song does not make it a classical song. And a thousand of the most skilled classically trained metal instrumentalists playing a classical song does not make it classical or "neoclassical" metal.

By the way: no homoerotic penis waving i don't want another good thread closed![/QUOTE]

I don't get what you're doing here. You're arguing against the commonly accepted definitions of what "influence" is. What else is "it", if not for what I just laid out. Ya have kids who are studying Classical music structure in school, at the very same time that they're getting into Hard Rock/Metal as entertainment. So, when they go and try their own hand at writing music, they interject some of the classical music ideas into the music that they're creating. Are they doing this consciously? Probably some yes and some no. They probably noticed that the Classical thing was slipping into their style unconsciously, and then consciously pursued that direction, since they liked the way it sounded. But, most definitely, Steve Harris and Randy Rhoads were "influenced" as Heavy Metal guitarists, bassists, songwriters by Classical Music. No two ways 'bout it. You give me an example of what you consider to be "influence" and I'll show ya that it's the same thing.

omg nobody gives a s[U]h[/U]it

[QUOTE=Amit;16487636]
By the way: no homoerotic penis waving i don't want another good thread closed![/QUOTE]

Who's wavin' weenies, yo?

I was wonderin' why that thread got shut down as it was startin' to take off.

[QUOTE=Angmar;16487699]omg nobody gives a s[U]h[/U]it[/QUOTE]

Maybe we do. What else is there to talk about, if not for the fine print.

[QUOTE=moltenlava;16487689]I don't get what you're doing here. You're arguing against the commonly accepted definitions of what "influence" is. What else is "it", if not for what I just laid out. Ya have kids who are studying Classical music structure in school, at the very same time that they're getting into Hard Rock/Metal as entertainment. So, when they go and try their own hand at writing music, they interject some of the classical music ideas into the music that they're creating. Are they doing this consciously? Probably some yes and some no. They probably noticed that the Classical thing was slipping into their style unconsciously, and then consciously pursued that direction, since they liked the way it sounded. But, most definitely, Steve Harris and Randy Rhoads were "influenced" as Heavy Metal guitarists, bassists, songwriters by Classical Music. No two ways 'bout it. You give me an example of what you consider to be "influence" and I'll show ya that it's the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Being classically influenced involves far more than just interjecting harmonic minor scale runs into a hard rock/metal song.

This is classically influenced:

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4S64H4HXTw&feature=related[/url]

Actually, it's probably one of the few examples of neoclassical music ever posted in this forum :O

[QUOTE=Angmar;16487699]omg nobody gives a s[U]h[/U]it[/QUOTE]

+1

If you actually give a **** about what kind of music requires the most technique and what real neoclassicism is, than you're a ****ing large bundle of sticks.

[quote=moltenlava]Maybe we do. What else is there to talk about, if not for the fine print.[/quote]

Then you're a ****ing faggot.

:> hai amit

[QUOTE=RiceMonster;16487714]+1

If you actually give a **** about what kind of music requires the most technique and what real neoclassicism is, than you're a ****ing large bundle of sticks.[/QUOTE]

[quote=me at beginning of thread]By the way: no homoerotic penis waving i don't want another good thread closed! [/quote]

I don't want to report anyone but if you have nothing to contribute to this interesting discussion, please find another thread to post in :] Thanks!

[QUOTE=Amit;16487707]Being classically influenced involves far more than just interjecting harmonic minor scale runs into a hard rock/metal song.

This is classically influenced:

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4S64H4HXTw&feature=related[/url]

Actually, it's probably one of the few examples of neoclassical music ever posted in this forum :O[/QUOTE]

for the weak minded, 20th century music is the direct descendant of classical.

[QUOTE=Amit;16487707]Being classically influenced involves far more than just interjecting harmonic minor scale runs into a hard rock/metal song.

This is classically influenced:

[B][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4S64H4HXTw&feature=related[/url][/B]

Actually, it's probably one of the few examples of neoclassical music ever posted in this forum :O[/QUOTE]

excuse me but where are the blast beats

not invented yet :'[

[QUOTE=Amit;16487707]Being classically influenced involves far more than just interjecting harmonic minor scale runs into a hard rock/metal song.

This is classically influenced:

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4S64H4HXTw&feature=related[/url]

Actually, it's probably one of the few examples of neoclassical music ever posted in this forum :O[/QUOTE]

****ing epic, i need more Stravinsky in my library.

The epic *** rape in the last thread was :lol:

I'm actually curious, Amit do you like anything that could be considered "metal"?

I got Amit to waste a huge amount of time

Mission accomplished

[QUOTE=Amit;16487707]Being classically influenced involves far more than just interjecting harmonic minor scale runs into a hard rock/metal song.

This is classically influenced:

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4S64H4HXTw&feature=related[/url]

Actually, it's probably one of the few examples of neoclassical music ever posted in this forum :O[/QUOTE]

Ya, ok. So, what, you're pointing to here is a Romantic piece that's "heavily" influenced by what came before it. We're speaking about a difference of degree then. This piece would have a "heavy" influence. Where, what Maiden, Ozzy and Metallica were doing would have a small to moderate Classical, even sometimes 'Baroque' influence. There's plenty of 'Baroque' influence in Progressive Rock. It's blatantly obvious and no one disputes it. You can easily hear it in the music of Jethro Tull, Genesis, etc. I would argue that some Metal has got the same thing goin' on, except with Classical music. To varying degrees, there's a Classical music influence in Heavy Metal. Especially the stuff between 1978 and 1988. And, it extends further than the superficial level.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;16487781]I'm actually curious, Amit do you like anything that could be considered "metal"?[/QUOTE]

yes why

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16487786]I got Amit to waste a huge amount of time

Mission accomplished[/QUOTE]

how was it a waste of time

besides you're an autistitroll so nothing you really say about anyone socially matters!

Believe it or not, there are plenty of people here who like me and find my comments funny

I personally find the fact that a 14 page weenie-waving thread broke out with no involvement from me—besides suggesting it—extremely funny

[QUOTE=Amit;16487793]yes why



how was it a waste of time

besides you're an autistitroll so nothing you really say about anyone socially matters![/QUOTE]

Jw because you seem to not be interested in it at all.

What bands?

Amit needs to realize he's a pretentious ****tard and die soon afterward

[QUOTE=McP3000;16487812]Amit needs to realize he's a pretentious ****tard and die soon afterward[/QUOTE]

I was listening to two hunters today. What an elite band eh?

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16487797]Believe it or not, there are plenty of people here who like me and find my comments funny

I personally find the fact that a 14 page weenie-waving thread broke out with no involvement from me—besides suggesting it—extremely funny[/QUOTE]

i find the thread extremely funny too but i guess i have developed the proper social skills to not have to be creepy and passive aggressive about it

amit chris is a cool dood

[QUOTE=McP3000;16487812]Amit needs to realize he's a pretentious ****tard and die soon afterward[/QUOTE]

why

what is so terrible about your real life that you need to blame me, some random kind hearted stranger on the internet, for your inner and outer deformities

seriously though amit recommend me some metal

i like green carnation's acoustic verses

[QUOTE=Amit;16487845]i find the thread extremely funny too but i guess i have developed the proper social skills to not have to be creepy and passive aggressive about it[/QUOTE]

Dammit, Amit, put that away!

You're not supposed to have your penis out when you're trolling.

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16487904]Dammit, Amit, put that away!

You're not supposed to have your penis out when you're trolling.[/QUOTE]

you're doing it again but i guess you can't help it

ew green carnation's vocalist is mind numbingly terrible