[QUOTE=Flower Dance]A new bass solo along the lines of Jungle Essence on the new album would be awesome.[/QUOTE]
for sure

i think that they arent up for good instrumental songs. Maybe rick can get them back in shape

Oh man I haven't posted here in so long.

[QUOTE]Did you hear his voice during Rock Am Ring 06 last month, when they performed the MoP album in full? It was much better than it was previously, thats for sure.[/QUOTE]

It was incredible. His voice sounds great nowadays. They're back in the studios between Europe and Asia so I hope they're getting plenty done.

[QUOTE]What do you guys think of S&M? I think it's really good, all the songs sound really good and the orchestra makes most of the songs sound a lot better. some are worse in my opinion but they're still great songs.[/QUOTE]

It's absolutely amazing. I agree, for example- NEM, One, Ktulu sound much better. I wouldn't say it makes Puppets sound [I]better[/I], but it I enjoy it much more than any other version of Puppets. Same with Battery.

I just made a guitar pro of Fade to Black live :thumb:

Post it!!

I agree.

^i agree aswelllllll

wow, the last two posts were pointless.

Anyway, have anyone noticed how much Metallica is hated on the metal world in this days? I think this is some kind of trend that everybody follows; because, to be honest I don't see any reasons why they should be hated. Their music doesn't suck, they haven't killed someone, their modern impact doesn't affect metal at all.

Maybe the napster thing could be a reason, but every artist is against illegal downloading.

Sorry for the randomness of my comment.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]wow, the last two posts were pointless.

Anyway, have anyone noticed how much Metallica is hated on the metal world in this days? I think this is some kind of trend that everybody follows; because, to be honest I don't see any reasons why they should be hated. Their music doesn't suck, they haven't killed someone, their modern impact doesn't affect metal at all.

Maybe the napster thing could be a reason, but every artist is against illegal downloading.

Sorry for the randomness of my comment.[/QUOTE]

Probably because there's [b]SO[/b] much variety in metal these days that Metallica seem bland and boring. If you look back at the riffs on Kill 'Em All, they're not the most technical riffs, James' voice wasn't the most aggressive but back then, that stuff was kickass. Now there is stuff that's much more aggressive, much heavier, much faster, guys wih growlier voices etc so I guess people don't see that much in them anymore so it's cool to hate them because they can say "well (insert band name) are better because their guitarist can play this many notes per half second.

I really don't get the Larz bashing either, yeah there's a billion drummers better than him but I'd like to see someone from this site try and play Battery or Whiplash properly. I do think the Napster and Some Kind of Monster thing had an effect on people's minds regarding that too.

Many simple bands like Black Sabbath, Dio, Slayer, Sodom and a freaking infinity aren't what I call fresh and cool anymore, but they aren't as bashed as Metallica.

You know, it drives me nuts to hear a kid say "Metallica sucks" without even hearing a song.

Hmm, yeah I don't hear many people bash Sabbath either.

I actually witnessed: "You know, it drives me nuts to hear a kid say "Metallica sucks" without even hearing a song." a few months back in college. I was talking about Metallica for some reason with some mates and this emo with a sideslap just said "Metallica suck". :rolleyes: I don't get it either.

It could be that because Metallica are pretty much one of the biggest metal bands ever, and everyone's just upset about how big they are when they feel they don't deserve it. Who knows.

Metallica bashing and hating is kinda sad. It's like rule to not like them.

I just found a link to the No Life For Leather demo. If anyone needs it, post emails and I'll send away.

[QUOTE=Stormrider331]Metallica bashing and hating is kinda sad. It's like rule to not like them.[/QUOTE]
Anybody who puts effort into hating something is usually pretty gay.

[QUOTE=pate]I just found a link to the No Life For Leather demo. If anyone needs it, post emails and I'll send away.[/QUOTE]

Yeah go for it:

[email]kirkhammettlive@hotmail.com[/email]

:chug:

I just found it too actually but I'll let you send it out, unless you don't have it yet either?

I was just going to send out the link.

I agree with the unnecissary Metallica bashing. Even if you don't like their music, at least respect them. They were one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) metal bands of their time. Anyone that can achieve as much as they did deserves some props. Also, reguarding people that bash them because they aren't as technical or fast paced as some newer metal. It's not about who can play faster solos, faster double bass, or who can cram the most amount of notes in a single song. It's the fact that they wrote catchy songs that many many people love, even 20 years after they wrote them. Sure, they aren't the most technical band, but technicality isn't the only thing that matters. I'd like to see any of the Metallica bashers put out something that is even half as great and accomplishing as Master Of Puppets or ...And Justice For All.

That's just my two cents.

lol sorry for the random rant.

EDIT: And I'm sure the exact same thing has been said a thousand times...

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]
I really don't get the Larz bashing either, yeah there's a billion drummers better than him but I'd like to see someone from this site try and play Battery or Whiplash properly. I do think the Napster and Some Kind of Monster thing had an effect on people's minds regarding that too.[/QUOTE]

My beef with Lars is that if you look at any "Beginners Drumming" book, you'll practically find the exact things Lars plays. I can't think of anything difficult to play by Metallica. Normally you could say that simplicity doesn't mean there terrible, but the attitude Lars gives off to people makes people hate him because he seems like he's hot stuff but he isn't very good at all.

Battery and Whiplash, lmao. Go to the drum forum and post that. You'd get a lot more results than you think.

[QUOTE=Huber]My beef with Lars is that if you look at any "Beginners Drumming" book, you'll practically find the exact things Lars plays. I can't think of anything difficult to play by Metallica. Normally you could say that simplicity doesn't mean there terrible, but the attitude Lars gives off to people makes people hate him because he seems like he's hot stuff but he isn't very good at all.

Battery and Whiplash, lmao. Go to the drum forum and post that. You'd get a lot more results than you think.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I will. My impression was that most of the kids over there were between 12-17 on average.

I know his stuff is pretty simple but sometimes the high speeds make it hard to play.

You mean like your Dyers Eve arguement?

Well..... 3-4 isn't hard, but when you play it at least 250bpm it is!

I don't see how that's false, though.

Technical complexity makes a song hard yeah, but so does speed. I don't see how you can't apply that to basic things too.

Maybe there's a ton of youngin's, but even they have a chance. Lars' speed is meh. It sounds fast but in the end it's not very precise. Even at that, there's some great drummers on that forum. Most of them playing for many years. I've been playing for 8.

You can't make any real case for Lars.

@ Mitch. Speed can, but if that's all you have, then how's it tech?

[QUOTE=Flash And Dash]You can't make any real case for Lars.

@ Mitch. Speed can, but if that's all you have, then how's it tech?[/QUOTE]
Simple. Take something technical, and speed it up. ta-da.

[quote=Huber]Maybe there's a ton of youngin's, but even they have a chance. Lars' speed is meh. It sounds fast but in the end it's not very precise. Even at that, there's some great drummers on that forum. Most of them playing for many years. I've been playing for 8.[/quote]

So you're a drummer, I can understand why you're going on about his simplicity then, especially since I remember you having a Nile avatar at one point heh.

Hah, yeah. That's fair. Guess it seems much different if you're not a drummer.

edit: I wouldn't say speed makes something technical, but it can make it just as difficult as something technical that's slower. You also have to take in consideration precision and the actual sound. In the case of guitar, are those notes ringing or are you missing something because you're playing too technical or fast? In the case of something like drums, are you playing with dynamics and groove, or are you playing fast and technical and leaving that behind?

[QUOTE=Huber]Hah, yeah. That's fair. Guess it seems much different if you're not a drummer.

edit: I wouldn't say speed makes something technical, but it can make it just as difficult as something technical that's slower. You also have to take in consideration precision and the actual sound. In the case of guitar, are those notes ringing or are you missing something because you're playing too technical or fast? In the case of something like drums, are you playing with dynamics and groove, or are you playing fast and technical and leaving that behind?[/QUOTE]
That's the point i'm trying to make. You can make a technical drum pattern/fill/whatever and speed it up.

Ok, this might seem a little off topic, but what is the name of the new song they released (I don't actually know how new it is) Summin like hero of... is all I got. It was on Scuzz earlier if that helps in any way.

Cheers.

I'll post the FTB live in a minute. I'm doing finishing touches..

Here you go: [url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4EB2F29318714087[/url]

It's mostly based off MIAWTW tour shows. They did play a show with most of the real solo (and I was lazy) which is why the last solo for the most part is normal.

[QUOTE]Anyway, have anyone noticed how much Metallica is hated on the metal world in this days? I think this is some kind of trend that everybody follows; because, to be honest I don't see any reasons why they should be hated. Their music doesn't suck, they haven't killed someone, their modern impact doesn't affect metal at all.

Maybe the napster thing could be a reason, but every artist is against illegal downloading.

Sorry for the randomness of my comment.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I have to go back to this.
This is an article someone wrote on the MetClub forums. Read it

[QUOTE]Let it go! Metallica still kicks a[COLOR="Black"]ss[/COLOR]! (But you won’t listen)
Joel Roza
U.S. Coast Guard

It’s been going on since as early as 1984’s “Ride The Lightening”. It’s been debated, debated, disseminated, and dissected to the very core 500 million times. Did Metallica sell-out? Why did they cut their hair? What’s up with “Load” and “Re-load”? Why didn’t they put solos in “St. Anger?” “Why did the drums sound like trash cans?” and of course, “Napster this, that, yada yada!!” Obviously, enough people DO in fact give a sh[COLOR="Black"]it[/COLOR]. But what’s more glaring is the amount of people who, despite their resentment towards the band, will pay as much attention to the happenings in Metallica’s world as the die-hard fans do. Whether their looking for another opportunity to take a shot at the band and their so-called, “Metalli-sheep”, or just morbid curiosity, it proves the theory and widely shared opinion that no matter what, Metallica are without a doubt the most important and influential band in the industry today. They have been since 1991 and it’s not likely to stop anytime soon.

There’s no need to delve back into the history of the band, or even to start into the Dave Mustaine/Megadeth vs. Metallica debacle that may or may not still be raging on, 23 years later. What is worth going into is the attention that the band forever garners from die-hard fans, casual listeners, self-proclaimed ‘former’ fans and straight haters of the band. The facts aren’t in the record sales, the sold-out shows or even the radio play, it’s in the attention received on message boards, the success of the Metclub, and the industry-wide respect the band has and still receives to this day. I’ve personally been a fan since 1997. Being only 20 years old, I caught on a couple years before the ****storm of Napster, and right in the middle of the ****storm caused by the recent releases of “Load” and “Re-load”. Metallica underwent a transformation from long-haired metal titans to what appeared to be more mainstream rockers who were trying to appeal to a more alternative crowd. Having helped jump start and dominate the thrash metal movement in the 1980’s, Metallica released a slower, yet harder hitting album in 1991 simply called, “Metallica”, or better known as the, “Black Album”. The album made Metallica an instant mainstream success, and catapulted them into superstardom only known by bands such as Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin or The Beatles. They were everywhere and everyone went to see them. They toured for almost three years non-stop. Then came “Load”, and with it, came instant ridicule.

We all know what happened with that, and then came Napster. I, as a music consumer, appreciate the hard work and effort that goes into making an album. That’s their job, that’s their baby, that’s what makes them who they are. Napster was, in my opinion, a way for lazy a[COLOR="black"]ss[/COLOR] ‘fans’ to get their slimy hands on some songs without paying a cent for it. Pretty soon, record sales around the world were down at a plummeting rate. The only reason Metallica ever got involved was due to “I Disappear” coming out before they had finished recording it. Napster was pursued and rightfully, forced to charge the “victimized” supporters of the downloading mongrel a whole $0.99 per song.

What mystifies me is how important the band actually still is. I mean, their my musical standard. My music ‘gawds’ you could say. But nothing can ever be said anywhere about them, nowhere, without a debate. One for, one against. The arguments are old. The rebuttals are just as old. The ridicule, the praise, the battles are just plain old. It’s as if people are still only now catching onto the monster of Metallica and are still picking sides. People should feel stupid when they write, and make public, things like:

“Metalica are old and Kirks gitar plyaing is crap!!!!!!!!!” or, “Better whatch out!!1 Larz mite sue u 4 posting that! LOL!”

Do people not see how retarded and uneducated they make themselves look? Then it turns even worse:

“Metallica are a bunch of gay washups! SLAYER!!!!!11”

And the ever elusive,

“Metllica r sellouts who suck dick and eat dave mustaines poop!”

If you don’t like the band, for whatever your reasons, great! But the way I see it, I never go anywhere else on the internet or anywhere else in public and talk about another band or artist, and get the same response as I do with Metallica. Not with Johnny Cash, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Dio, Iron Maiden, Pantera, Lynyrd Skynyrd. No one! Anywhere! It proves that Metallica, love em or hate em, have more fanfare, more public appeal then any other band or artist to date. They are as important and influential now as they were in 1983. They garner the attention not on past glory, but on the fringes of wonder. What’s Metallica doing next? Their live shows are still as awesome and breathtaking as they were in 1991. Their mere presence at any event, whether in honor of them or not, escalates its importance by a dozen. Unfortunately, not everyone knows Black Sabbath. Not everyone bangs their heads to Iron Maiden. There just aren’t that many people who raise the horns when throwin’ down to a new Black Label Society record. But everyone, and I mean everyone, knows Metallica. That’s how huge they are. That’s the reward for writing and composing some of the greatest material ever written. It’s no exaggeration. The facts are in the fan support, the continuous curiosity by those who write them off. The support this band receives behind the record sales is astounding. It backs the sales up. It makes it proof that every Metallica album goes #1 upon release not because of the name, but because of the quality of music. The curiosity plays in it as well, but it’s tough to imagine 3 million ‘curious’ sub-fans wandering into a record store to see if Metallica sucks or not. I’m not buying it.

It’s tough, I know. But it’s time to face the inevitable truth. Some have and some haven’t. Some don’t care, and for that, I thank them for their casual and mature nature. The fact is, Metallica are still on top. They might not be the best technical band out there; they may not have the greatest drummer, lead ax-man or even bassist out there. All of that is disputable. But what isn’t is that Metallica still stands alone on top of the rock ‘n’ roll mountain. Every band, that has experienced a high amount of success, has changed up the ingredients of their sound before. Not to ‘appeal’ to more people per say, but the goal is usually to see what else their capable of. Black Sabbath, Rush, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy, The Rolling Stones; all these bands altered themselves somewhat to re-invigorate the inner flame that drew them to that point in the first place. Musical exploration is necessary in order to be able to write music that becomes more interesting as time goes on. You can’t exclude Metallica from that list.

The battles and idiocy and praise will continue despite what anyone says. This long string of literature and all others, pro or con, will not alter a thing. But it’s proof of this band’s importance, not only to the masses, but to the single fan. To the lover, the hater, the conservative and the doubter. Metallica possesses a spot in all of them. The proof is in the text.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Joe]I'll post the FTB live in a minute. I'm doing finishing touches..

Here you go: [url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4EB2F29318714087[/url]

It's mostly based off MIAWTW tour shows. They did play a show with most of the real solo (and I was lazy) which is why the last solo for the most part is normal.

[/QUOTE]
That sounds pretty much perfect, nice.

Convert into GP4?

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]Convert into GP4?[/QUOTE]
I'll do it.

[url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=333001A84DB96680[/url]
There.

metallica is a great band for their early stuff, i am highly anticipating their new release and i hope that ulrich can get some better double bass work in upcomming events

Have you heard the new song live?

That has decent double bass.

Yea lars' best work since 1988 :smash:




na im optimistic about this new album

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Have you heard the new song live?

That has decent double bass.[/QUOTE]

yea its great

What is the new song called:confused: I hope there new album is better than st anger

This is a little off topic but......LET IT BE KNOWN BATTERY IS THE BEST METALLICA SONG EVER MADE:smash:

[QUOTE=GodOfThunder52]This is a little off topic but......LET IT BE KNOWN BATTERY IS THE BEST METALLICA SONG EVER MADE:smash:[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the forums. Don't double post.

And IMO Orion is the best Metallica song ever made.

I dont think the new song even has a title, but yea i think this new album will be their best work since the black album.

There are several rumors about the name of the new song, but none for sure yet.

So I was listening to ReLoad today. That album is amazing. Seriously, even though it's not the heaviest of metal, the album is solid hard rock. I was listening to it so loud today, especially Prince Charming and Bad Seed. Sweet stuff. I used to think it was only average and only listen to the first four songs...

Anyways

Considering what I just said, I'll have to hear it to determine what it's better than. It's better than Load and St. Anger, without question.

Fade to Black is the best song, and I don't have to say IMO because I'm right :thumb: