I have decided to buy a tool album today which one shall i get Aenima or Lateralus?

[QUOTE=ben101]I have decided to buy a tool album today which one shall i get Aenima or Lateralus?[/QUOTE]
I recommend getting Lateralus first, as many people say, work backwards with it. Get Aenima next :)

Havent they got an album before that would it be better to start with that?

Get Aenima first, it gives you a better interp of tools sound...it has elements of undertow and elements of lateralus...it's like bridging the gap....plus the songs are better :p

[QUOTE=Med57]Undertow was their debut album, but it's generally accepted that Aenima and Lateralus are better, although a lot of Tool fans say Undertow is a masterpiece as well. I only own Lateralus although I'll probably get Aenima in my next group of CDs which I buy, and I can definitely recommend Lateralus as a starting point. I'd only heard 3 Tool songs before I bought it, and I wasn't disappointed at all, which given the amount of love they get on these forums surprised me a bit.[/QUOTE]

Undertow, debut?
I dont think so. What about Opiate? That was first meaning it was the debut.
If Im wrong,which I doubt, please tell me

Undertow was indeed their first album. Though I still like to classify Opiate as the introduction to Tool.

And I really really wish they would re-record Undertow (in my imaginary happy land it might happen), as I still hate the production on that album

Opiate was first

FAQ
* D1. What CD's have they put out?

In order, the band has released the "Opiate" EP, the albums "Undertow" and "Ænima", a live boxset called "Salival", and the album "Lateralus

What is an EP?

EP stands for extended play (I think, someone destroy me and tell me otherwise). It was tool's introduction CD, their demo if you will, that managed to get a full release, mainly due to the speed at which tool were signed

....meaning that it was a debut....

Yes, but not their first album. the opiate CD was a collection of songs put on a CD, not prepared in the sense of an album. So its their first release, but not first album

...then, what makes a CD so different from an Album to not make it the debut?

An album is a full production, all tracks wrote about the same time, and usually is over 30-40 minutes.

An EP is like a mini album, containing a few sample tracks from the band. Look at the Meshuggah EP for 'I'. One song. You cant really class that as an album. then look at Opiate. 4 recorded tracks, and 2 live examples. Not a lot to fill out an album, so they put it out under the label of an EP.

Im sure smeone else could explain the difference better than me. You could throw LPs into the mix and get me really confused, but thats the way i've always looked at it

thanks brother!

Opiate is a good CD EP thing

hey I read something at MTV.com about the The new Tool album. the article was old,like this time last year, so the album should be out soon, oh yeah. and the Lateralus DVD, OOHHH YEAAH

I have absolutely no evidence, other than a bunch of people saying that the album will come out in June.

I'm going insane,
the release date is shifting forth and back all the time

but june sounds good, better than oktober or november.

I'm kind of speculating on the whole June release. I haven't seen it anywhere official. If anyone has a link to a reliable source talking about the release date, it would be greatly appreciated. :thumb:

10 bucks says it comes out in october or later.

I dont care when it comes out, As long as its good.

I don't know. There really isn't any good info out there saying when it will come out. Maybe Tool wants the album to come out suddenly, and kind of shock everyone.

I'd love a June release, but for some reason I don't see it happening. I'm down on the October bet, but I wouldn't even be surprised if it didn't come out until early next year.

i doesn't even have to come out real soon, as long as they hit the road within a couple months.

Yea, i'm way more excited to see them one day. They are one of the bands that i dream about going to one of their concerts.

[QUOTE=r0und3r]The heavy **** doesnt sound as heavy without some light **** to go with it. imo. This is why I like Tool. This is why the "i dont mind" part in H is so ****ing heavy. Tool has some of the heaviest music I've ever heard. Some people think all they have to do is scream their guts out into a mike, turn your guitars gain up to 20 and you are heavy. To me, dynamics is the key to make your music intense. Like Ticks and Leeches, the chill breakdown followed by the 'suck me dry' part is one of the most intense pieces of music I've ever heard. [/QUOTE]

Well said.

Meshuggah do a Ticks & Leeches occasionally, especially on I, but only about once or twice.

If you listen to some pure heavy metal, with no breaks, for about 10 minutes it loses heaviness. If you have a 2 minute haunting, reserved instrumental between that ten minutes, it becomes even more heavy. There's that shock.

That's why I like the "I Don't Mind" in H.. It's a quiet reserved song, and then there's a huge vocal build-up and then RAAAH it goes spastic.

[QUOTE=Werny]Well said.

Meshuggah do a Ticks & Leeches occasionally, especially on I, but only about once or twice.

If you listen to some pure heavy metal, with no breaks, for about 10 minutes it loses heaviness. If you have a 2 minute haunting, reserved instrumental between that ten minutes, it becomes even more heavy. There's that shock.

That's why I like the "I Don't Mind" in H.. It's a quiet reserved song, and then there's a huge vocal build-up and then RAAAH it goes spastic.[/QUOTE]

Its called dynamics, and its what I look for in 90% of my music. Some include the sudden turning on of distortion, and the more effective includes the tool method of dragging out an acoustic/quiet part to the point where it has to break into something heavy.

Meshuggah have very few dynamics. Its merely a band that I can listen to if I want sheer distortion and anger. Tool gives the best of both extremes for me.

Opeth must give you so many orgasms...

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]

What is an EP?[/QUOTE]

Back in the days of vinyl, there was two kinds of records. There were EPs, which could hold about 30 minutes of material, and LPs, which could hold up to 80. These days, people still use those terms. If a CD is under 30 minutes, it's called an EP, if it's longer (up to 80) it's considered a LP. It's nothing to do with the production, it's just another way of paying homage to the days of vinyl.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Opeth must give you so many orgasms...[/QUOTE]

If I owned one of their better albums it would :upset:

I can never find them in my local record stores, and i never have the cash when i see them in HMV

i have blackwater park, it's quality...

...and dam nation but thats more like porcupine tree

[QUOTE=Werny]Back in the days of vinyl, there was two kinds of records. There were EPs, which could hold about 30 minutes of material, and LPs, which could hold up to 80. These days, people still use those terms. If a CD is under 30 minutes, it's called an EP, if it's longer (up to 80) it's considered a LP. It's nothing to do with the production, it's just another way of paying homage to the days of vinyl.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clearing it up. I didnt know why they were given such terms, but i knew what both meant in terms of play length

Thank you for clearing that up Werny.

I totally agree with Rounder about dynamics in metal. Everything is relative in music:"heavy" can only be heavy in relation to something else.

that's a great way of explaining.
I find a lot of doom metal heavier, than supposed 'heavy'metal

No worries fellas.

Meshuggah do OCCASIONALLY use that kind of slow/heavy dynamic. On the last song on Chaosphere, there's about 10 minutes of some kind of really quiet sound (can't remember right now) and then RAAAAAAAGH a friggin psycho scream and bashing of instruments.

I have Blackwater Park, and I love how heavy the acoustics make their music.

I have come to renounce my love for Tool. I can listen to all fo Tools albums and never be bored of them. I start off Everyday with Lateralus, while waiting for the bus. That album is purely indescribable. The band are pure genius'. The way they transition from one riff to another, the transitions between the slow and fast. Everythign that they do i love. You could say that i'm obsessed, and you'd probably be right.

[QUOTE=One Groovin Clown]I have come to renounce my love for Tool. I can listen to all fo Tools albums and never be bored of them. I start off Everyday with Lateralus, while waiting for the bus. That album is purely indescribable. The band are pure genius'. The way they transition from one riff to another, the transitions between the slow and fast. Everythign that they do i love. You could say that i'm obsessed, and you'd probably be right.[/QUOTE]

If listening to them everyday is being obsessed, I would venture to say that everyone here is on the same boat as you. ;)

I don't consider myself complete unless I've listened to Schism, Reflection, Parabola, Lateralus and Ticks & Leeches each day.

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]If listening to them everyday is being obsessed, I would venture to say that everyone here is on the same boat as you. ;)[/QUOTE]

I had gone two weeks till today without listening to any. Now im putting a personal greatest hits on my mp3 player.

There's an interesting thought to ponder over, what would go on a greatest hits album so far....

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I had gone two weeks till today without listening to any. Now im putting a personal greatest hits on my mp3 player.

There's an interesting thought to ponder over, what would go on a greatest hits album so far....[/QUOTE]

Correction: Everyone with... iTunes?