I don't really like Haste the day either, they aren't a band that I'd be able to listen to regularly. Plus they look like Underoath wannabes in that pic of theres...

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Going to music college isn't the only way to get good at an instrument.[/QUOTE]
A music school before/after college makes a huge difference. To be honest most "rock stars" if not born naturally gifted, went to a big music school once in their life.

[QUOTE=Understanding In a Crash]I don't really like Haste the day either, they aren't a band that I'd be able to listen to regularly. Plus they look like Underoath wannabes in that pic of theres...[/QUOTE]

You and Chris are cruising for a bruising

Music Colleges(or atleast the big ones) have pretty high standards I'd say to get into. I visited alot of private schools around here, Potsdam, Manhattanville, Boston Berkelee and you need to seriously have talent. For alot of the schools you need to audition by playing a piece of your choice, and then they give you a piece of music to play determining on your instrument. This is even if your going in to be a recording mixer or taking the business side on the music scene.

[QUOTE=Understanding In a Crash]A music school before/after college makes a huge difference. To be honest most "rock stars" if not born naturally gifted, went to a big music school once in their life.[/QUOTE]
You're pulling that out of your as[b][i][/i][/b]s. State some examples.

And you like bands like Bloodlined Calligraphy and Alove For Enemies. Fail.

Oh shi. I want to be in the business side if I can't play music for a living. So basically, I want to be in the buisness side.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]And I like bands like the Starting Line Fail.[/QUOTE]


Chris, you abandoned Ric? How could you :eek:

[QUOTE=chips88]You and Chris are cruising for a bruising[/QUOTE]
[size=2]F[/size]UCK yeah, raise your fist in the air.
Drug FREE! Cleanse yourself. You don't need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]Oh yeah, I forgot that Ally French would own me[/QUOTE]

basically.

We all have our guilty pleasure though. And actually, I havn't listened to ALFE since I got CBK and Bane, so yeah.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]You're pulling that out of your as[b][i][/i][/b]s. State some examples.[/QUOTE]
Joe Satriani is one of the most notable ones and he ever used to teach at a school. Larry Ler, John Petrucci, Steve Pedulla!!!

[QUOTE=Understanding In a Crash]John Petrucci[/QUOTE]

Did anyone mention "Best Guitarist in music"?

I used to know more because a year ago I read Guitar World magazine religiously and alot of the modern heavy metal guys were taught by Satri.

[QUOTE=chips88]You and Chris are cruising for a bruising[/QUOTE]

Olders stuff is better than their new stuff. Although I've grown out of most generic metalcore. (I like metalcore that's a tad [I]less[/I] generic now.)
[QUOTE]
And you like bands like Bloodlined Calligraphy and Alove For Enemies. Fail.[/QUOTE]

BC is lame, but Alove For Enemies can be nice. I would think you'd like them, they are very Jesusy.

"This war enflames, have you chosen your side, I have chosen God
I, fight this with, I fight this with God on my side"

"It's time to rise and fight for life
It's tme to rise and fight for Christ"

omgchrist *throws panties*

[QUOTE=Understanding In a Crash]Joe Satriani is one of the most notable ones and he ever used to teach at a school. Larry Ler, John Petrucci, Steve Pedulla!!![/QUOTE]
Funny, I don't think of those guys as rock stars, I think of them as technically talented musicians who don't sell many CDs. Most rockstars don't go to music school. Most technically talented musicians have some schooling yes, but it's not necessary to be technically talented and technical talent sure as hell doesn't automatically equal good in my book.

[QUOTE=BleedthesKY]
"It's time to rise and fight for life
It's tme to rise and fight for Christ"

omgchrist *throws panties*[/QUOTE]
That was revelating...

[QUOTE=BleedthesKY]Olders stuff is better than their new stuff. Although I've grown out of most generic metalcore. (I like metalcore that's a tad [I]less[/I] generic now.)


BC is lame, but Alove For Enemies can be nice. I would think you'd like them, they are very Jesusy.

"This war enflames, have you chosen your side, I have chosen God
I, fight this with, I fight this with God on my side"

"It's time to rise and fight for life
It's tme to rise and fight for Christ"

omgchrist *throws panties*[/QUOTE]

Oh, they sing about God?

/buys shirt and discography

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Funny, I don't think of those guys as rock stars, I think of them as technically talented musicians who don't sell many CDs. Most rockstars don't go to music school. Most technically talented musicians have some schooling yes, but it's not necessary to be technically talented and technical talent sure as hell doesn't automatically equal good in my book.[/QUOTE]
Are you trying to say that if they weren't as good as they were, they would be rock stars? And do you figure that Thursday and Dream Theater dont sell it's fair share of CD's for its genre and time?

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Funny, I don't think of those guys as rock stars, I think of them as technically talented musicians who don't sell many CDs. Most rockstars don't go to music school. Most technically talented musicians have some schooling yes, but it's not necessary to be technically talented and technical talent sure as hell doesn't automatically equal good in my book.[/QUOTE]
Being a good musician is being able to write good music. Technical talent and theory help a ****load. I wouldn't be able to write anything that I've written if not for the lessons I've taken and theory I've learned, even if it's marginal.

Talent doesn't make good music. Talent makes good music better.

Whys everyone hating City Of Evil?

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]Oh, they sing about God?

/buys shirt and discography[/QUOTE]

Jesus too.

They have nice breakdowns and all that jazz too. Generic breakdowncore (Let It Die, In Due Time), but not bad.

[QUOTE=Tjebby]Whys everyone hating City Of Evil?[/QUOTE]

I love it.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]I love it.[/QUOTE]
So I'm not the only one...

[QUOTE=Tjebby]Whys everyone hating City Of Evil?[/QUOTE]

If I want to listen to swedish metal, I'll listen to swedish metal.

Not talented-but-ripped-off-music-with-the-most-nasaly-singer-ever A7X.

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My friend and I were joking around and playing All The Small Things. I was singing, and he complained "Dude, your voice doesn't sound like Tom's at all!".

So, I used my had to pinch my nose (so that I couldn't breathe out my nose and all that).

I sounded just like Tom.

[QUOTE=Understanding In a Crash]Are you trying to say that if they weren't as good as they were, they would be rock stars? And do you figure that Thursday and Dream Theater dont sell it's fair share of CD's for its genre and time?[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. Most people can't sit and listen to a Satriani or Vai CD all the way through because it's not the most fun to listen to usually. Their technical skills aren't holding them back, but their emphasis on them in their music is. I figure most classic rock bands have sold more records than them, and almost no classic rock musicians went to music school. Most of them revolutionized music without that education too.
[QUOTE=BleedthesKY]Being a good musician is being able to write good music. Technical talent and theory help a ****load. I wouldn't be able to write anything that I've written if not for the lessons I've taken and theory I've learned, even if it's marginal.

Talent doesn't make good music. Talent makes good music better.[/QUOTE]
I still dont know how to apply theory to any of the music I write except for the classical music. You say I'm better than you, so there ya go.

No, good music is made better by a good musician adding talent in the proper dosage. Adding talent makes some stuff worse.

You ******s all need to listen to In Pieces by the way. Post-hardcore goodness.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]I love it.[/QUOTE]

Ohhhh, the sarcasm.

And I hate it cause they are so gay, so fake, so stupid, so full of themselves.

In Due Time does rule too, and BLC is christian was well Chris, so you have to buy their stuff too!!!

[QUOTE=BleedthesKY]If I want to listen to swedish metal, I'll listen to swedish metal.

Not talented-but-ripped-off-music-with-the-most-nasaly-singer-ever A7X.

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My friend and I were joking around and playing All The Small Things. I was singing, and he complained "Dude, your voice doesn't sound like Tom's at all!".

So, I used my had to pinch my nose (so that I couldn't breathe out my nose and all that).

I sounded just like Tom.[/QUOTE]
He's not as bad as the guy from Creed.

Besides, power metal isn't really a Swedish thing hun.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]
I still dont know how to apply theory to any of the music I write except for the classical music. You say I'm better than you, so there ya go.

No, good music is made better by a good musician adding talent in the proper dosage. Adding talent makes some stuff worse.[/QUOTE]

I will listen to otherwise bleh bands because they have talent. Give me examples, phag.

[QUOTE]I still dont know how to apply theory to any of the music I write except for the classical music. You say I'm better than you, so there ya go.[/QUOTE]

How do you write lead riffs? Guess and check?

Dammit Chris. I hate chu.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]He's not as bad as the guy from Creed.

Besides, power metal isn't really a Swedish thing hun.[/QUOTE]

I don't mind Creed guy's voice.

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Sonata Arctica = A7X?

Dragonforce = A7X?

No thanks, babe.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Yes and no. Most people can't sit and listen to a Satriani or Vai CD all the way through because it's not the most fun to listen to usually. Their technical skills aren't holding them back, but their emphasis on them in their music is. I figure most classic rock bands have sold more records than them, and almost no classic rock musicians went to music school. Most of them revolutionized music without that education too.

I still dont know how to apply theory to any of the music I write except for the classical music. You say I'm better than you, so there ya go.

No, good music is made better by a good musician adding talent in the proper dosage. Adding talent makes some stuff worse.[/QUOTE]
Most classic rock musicians had to get lessons of some sort whether it was through a teacher or a father. They definitely didn't have the resources people have had today to even be self sufficient. Even Kurt Cobain had basic guitar training through his grandfather.

I didn't know Troy Brown is a wide out now?

[QUOTE=BleedthesKY]I will listen to otherwise bleh bands because they have talent. Give me examples, phag.

How do you write lead riffs? Guess and check?[/QUOTE]
I find Dream Theater's solos don't always fit as well as say, Pink Floyd's. I don't like listening to technical music for the sake of technical. For instance, I can't stand almost any Jazz.

Sort of. I know scales sort of, but not what scales. I play notes in progression until I find what I want. Usually I find the base note I want, then the next note, then play the two and try to find the next note, and find each note one at a time after playing through everything that comes before it.

While it's on the topic of metalcore, can anyone recommend me some good bands, my pop-punk collection far outwieghs my metalcore at the moment.

[QUOTE=chips88]Ohhhh, the sarcasm.

And I hate it cause they are so gay, so fake, so stupid, so full of themselves.

In Due Time does rule too, and BLC is christian was well Chris, so you have to buy their stuff too!!![/QUOTE]

He wasn't being sarcastic, methinks.

I've been looking for In Due Time's newest album for a while. I find Capital Tragedy is better if I want breakdown + Breakdown + Breakdown = Music. They aren't just empty breakdowns (like "Chug chug chug. Chug), but full, complete, awesome ones ("Chug chug chug NENENE NANANA!")

[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/28/index.php[/url]

The band is ****, seriously.

[QUOTE=Fire Whispers]While it's on the topic of metalcore, can anyone recommend me some good bands, my pop-punk collection far outwieghs my metalcore at the moment.[/QUOTE]
Metalcore like actual metalcore or metalcore thats basically break downs + hardcore/metal or metalcore with some melody?

[QUOTE=BleedthesKY]I don't mind Creed guy's voice.

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Sonata Arctica = A7X?

Dragonforce = A7X?

No thanks, babe.[/QUOTE]
Ew, it's terrible.

Nope, but nor are they Swedish.
[QUOTE=Understanding In a Crash]Most classic rock musicians had to get lessons of some sort whether it was through a teacher or a father. They definitely didn't have the resources people have had today to even be self sufficient. Even Kurt Cobain had basic guitar training through his grandfather.[/QUOTE]
Stop changing your argument you fag. I wouldn't have argued if you said all good musicians had lessons, jesus. You said they went to music school, there's a huge difference. Seriously, stick to your point and then admit defeat when I prove you wrong rather than change arguments.

[QUOTE=Fire Whispers]While it's on the topic of metalcore, can anyone recommend me some good bands, my pop-punk collection far outwieghs my metalcore at the moment.[/QUOTE]

What kind of metalcore are you looking for?

Metal with breakdowns? (stuff like As I Lay dying, for instance)

50% Metal 50% hardcore? (Eh...I can't think if any popular examples.)

Technical Metalcore? (Between The Buried And Me or something)

[QUOTE=Understanding In a Crash]Metalcore like actual metalcore or metalcore thats basically break downs + hardcore/metal or metalcore with some melody?[/QUOTE]
Anything, doesn't matter.