[QUOTE=Soul_Under_Arrest]I see your points but you got to look at mine from my view to maybe understand it. My definition of a sell out in terms of a band is one that is trying to make it so they can make money. People are say Metallica has sold out after the Black album or during the Black album (though they've been saying it since the release of the One video) just to make money. I say after MoP, money wasn't an issue for them so why would they need to become sell outs to make more money? Personally I think they started as sell outs and after the black album they stopped being sell outs.

I have nothing against pop music other then I'm not a fan of it and nor did I say selling a lot of records = sell outs.

Basically my point is money talks and people will do anything to get it. When they have enough or it gets to the point were they have so much that they don't know what to do with it, they basically can do what they enjoy with out having to impress to gain more money.

Sure Metallica may not like Load, ReLoad or St. Anger but I'm sure at the time of them recording it, it was probably what they thought was right/want to create.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I understand what you mean. I don't know though, everything's possible. But did metallica actually get rich from first four albums? Or did those first four albums start selling ALOT once they became one of the most popular bands with their black album? But yea, I dont know. It makes sense if they were rich, they wouldn't need to get rich, but then again Lars sued napster in like 1998 or 1999, by then they must have money. Although I can see why he did get pissed off and started sueing. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Aw3someman]Because from what i've gathered a sell-out is a band that makes music not for the sake of making good music but for making money and appealing to as many people as they can. Well their first few albums was the music they really enjoyed. They really loved that music.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure sure about this? As far as I know, in every interview they keep saying how they don't want to go back to their old music, they want to try something new everytime so that it doesn't get boring, etc...

[QUOTE=BurtonChancellor]You've also misunderstood what I was saying. I was commenting more on your general contention that being a musician is like being a salesman, and that you have to write music based on what you think your fans are going to like. Personally, I think we'd all be far better off if everybody who feels that way about music put down their instruments forever and just disappeared like a fart in the wind.

And as for Metallica specifically, whether or not they "sold out" or were simply seeking to continue to progess musically and creatively, as they also did from Kill 'Em All through to Justice is an endless argument that I don't particularly care to engage in. [U]The bottom line is that their musical progression since the beginning of the 90's, whatever its motivations, has produced more than its share of ****ty music[/U].[/QUOTE]

Yes I do agree with you there. One other thing I forgot to mention in my first post was... Load/reload especially often get lashed for being Metallica's so called down albums. These albums are awesome albums. I just think they had the wrong fans to present these albums to!

If you think of it..
Kill em all
Ride The Lightning
Master of puppets
And Justice for all
were all released....
What kinda of fan basis do you think the band had at this point??? Then they go on to release..Load/Reload???
All of these thrash/Metal fans buy reload and race home to play it.. Mama said! At this point they were probably thinking something along the line of.. WTF I have a dud CD that has some other band on it!

If another band was to release load/reload as their first two albums admittedly they would have got alot better feedback from the album.

See that's where Metallica went wrong. I mean one ballad here and there but dont go over the border.
That's what other genres are for. :\

I think they tought people wanted that kinda stuff after Nothing else matters was like so much by people.

[QUOTE="Cathedral"]
Megadeth [B]were[/B] better [/QUOTE]



:upset:




but I still like Megadeth's newer stuff compared with Metallica new stuff :p

Agreed.

I hope they wont do what they did with St Anger.

What sound did they want to achieve? A band coming together for the first time?

[QUOTE=Soul_Under_Arrest]The problem with everything from Load to St. Anger is people are still looking for albums like Kill 'Em All to the Black Album. If another band made that album as their first then people would like it more. The problem is people don't like change and Metallica is a band that changed.[/QUOTE]

Some pages back i said exactly the same thing.....

[QUOTE=Mother]but I still like Megadeth's newer stuff compared with Metallica new stuff :p[/QUOTE]

2003 was the only year Megadeth has ever been better than Metallica.

Just barely.

[QUOTE]See that's where Metallica went wrong. I mean one ballad here and there but dont go over the border[/QUOTE]

Five of their ballads probably make up my top 10 favorite Metallica songs.

It's a catch 22 situation though, change and youre lambasted for it, remain the same and you still get critisized.

The key is to find what people love in your music and try to progress it, by progressing your own abilities.

The problem with Metallicas music - apart from the fact is is from a now defunct era - is that none of the aspects of it could have improved without an ensuing drastic change.

FTB,Sanitarium,One,Unforgivin etc...some of their best songs.

[QUOTE=Joe]2003 was the only year Megadeth has ever been better than Metallica.

Just barely.
[/QUOTE]
No way, sorry this is opinion but I can't disagree more.
I'd take anything SFSGSW onwards over anything AJFA onwards.

But 'Tallica ballads>megadeth ballads.

I dunno IMO Megadeth 1990-present > Metallica 1990-present.

That's what I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]I dunno IMO Megadeth 1990-present > Metallica 1990-present.[/QUOTE]


Which is weird coz Pre 1990 Megadeth > Post 1990 Megadeth :lol:


But thats overshadowed by metallicas pre 1991 reign

Ugh I'll take most of metallica over megadeth. I like some random megadeth songs like hangar 18, holy wars, truth, etc... And a tour le monde. Je dois partir, haha, why did he write that chorus in french? :confused:

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Ugh I'll take most of metallica over megadeth. I like some random megadeth songs like hangar 18, holy wars, truth, etc... And a tour le monde. Je dois partir, haha, why did he write that chorus in french? :confused:[/QUOTE]


Erm, Dave's some part french or something. But I dunno what compelled (sp?) him to write it like that.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Ugh I'll take most of metallica over megadeth. I like some random megadeth songs like hangar 18, holy wars, truth, etc... And a tour le monde. Je dois partir, haha, why did he write that chorus in french? :confused:[/QUOTE]
I think the chorus sounds more powerful in French. In English it's something like "to all the world
to all my friends
I love you
I have to go"
It's about Dave commiting suicide.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Ugh I'll take most of metallica over megadeth. I like some random megadeth songs like hangar 18, holy wars, truth, etc... And a tour le monde. Je dois partir, haha, why did he write that chorus in french? :confused:[/QUOTE]

I agree. I enjoy a few Megadeth albums such as Youthanasia and A World Needs A hero... But all In all Metallica originality and kirks solo-ing proves a winner for me..

Well because Metallica stuck with mostly the same line-up their style\soloing hasn't really changed much, which is cool I guess.

I need some Metallica forum Ideas desperatly. Could someone post a few ideas please??? [URL="www.metallica-online.co.uk"]www.metallica-online.co.uk[/URL]

I can't really use this site as an influence as it doesn't really have major detail as far as individual bands go.

i skimmed over the thread, but with 2000 pages its tough to keep up with everything. with that said i dont know how you guys really feel about metallicas crazy dvd release last year. i thought it made them seem like a bunch of bitches. am i the only one that thought they should have retired the band after s&m? it was a perfect album to go out on, and everything that followed was lame and desperate...

No, we disagree with you.

Eh, we'll give them one more chance :p

Hmm am i the only one who hates Dave Mustain's voice? His voice ruins it for me ;(. Only song i really like is Symphony of Destruction


Metallica >>>> Megadeth

I'd definitely like to see what Rubin can do with Metallica, but I'm wary of his rap productions. The last thing I need to hear is a rap song featuring Metallica, but I'm sure he'll do fine with them.

I don't mind Metallica's catalog as a whole, and I guess they're at the end of their rope. They've done pretty much anything and everything there is, and I would be content with them disbanding.

As far as Mustaine goes, I like the guy, but I feel he just created Megadeth because of wanting revenge. As far as songwriting goes, Metallica definitely has him beat, but Mustaine is a fine performer.

Just because Rubin has produced some rap albums, doesn't mean Metallica are going to do a rap track. He has produced music from loads of genres.

lawlz at all the fanboys who dont like megadeth. sry folks.

Megadeth>metallica

Know why? Cause megadeth was on duck dodgers.

Instant win

I also think Megadeth is better than Metallica, but i can't imagine myself without both bands, they're great.

[QUOTE=Hevy Tred]Know why? Cause megadeth was on duck dodgers.

Instant win[/QUOTE]
haha that was an awesome episode

Im pretty sure it was the only one i watched (thanks to youtube and a boring day) He also kicked some *** on jeopardy

[QUOTE=Hevy Tred]Know why? Cause megadeth was on duck dodgers.

Instant win[/QUOTE]

Metallica will be on the Simpsons and was on Space Ghost.

Edit: Dave Mustaine on Jeopardy was kick ***.

I dont think you understand.

Duck Dodgers. Childrens show. Daffy duck, porky pig.

Hilarious

Linky [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=TwNIABdqBxY&search=megadeth%20duck%20dodgers[/url]

He saves the world by soloing

:lol:

[QUOTE=Pro Beer Drinker]I'd definitely like to see what Rubin can do with Metallica, but I'm wary of his rap productions. The last thing I need to hear is a rap song featuring Metallica, but I'm sure he'll do fine with them.[/QUOTE]

This is his list of future
# Untitled - Justin Timberlake (2006)
# Untitled - Linkin Park (2006)
# Untitled - Slayer (ending 2006)
# Untitled - Metallica (2006/2007)
# Untitled - Kid Rock (2006/2007)
# Untitled - The Faint (2006/2007)
# American VI - Johnny Cash (possibly 2007)

Hmm, he did way more rock/metal/country albums than rap ones. And it's not up to him to tell a band which genre they'll be. If metallica won't play a rap song, a producer can't force them to do it. Producer will just work with the band at what music they want to make.

lol, the Duck Dodgers episode kicks ***.

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]lol, the Duck Dodgers episode kicks ***.[/QUOTE]


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And the track (Back in the Day) owns as well.

[QUOTE=Sadbutrue16]Hmm am i the only one who hates Dave Mustain's voice? His voice ruins it for me ;(. Only song i really like is Symphony of Destruction


Metallica >>>> Megadeth[/QUOTE]
He's my fav vocalist. :angry:

Can you imagine a 7 year old watching this Duck Dodgers episode, then he's like OMG Megadeth kick ***. Then he gets his dad to buy him the new album. It's just seams so surreal having Megadeth on the show.

[QUOTE=Pro Beer Drinker]I'd definitely like to see what Rubin can do with Metallica, but I'm wary of his rap productions. The last thing I need to hear is a rap song featuring Metallica, but I'm sure he'll do fine with them.[/QUOTE]
That's already happened.

Which one did Rubin do?