[QUOTE=Jom]No need to explain it to you, you already have the idea.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I just didn't want to make unfounded assumptions. Apparently my impression is more or less accurate, then. :)

[QUOTE]
The reason why I made a "Med for super" post in Site a couple months ago is because I felt we needed another super with a STELLAR track record. Besides, he was already a Sputnikmusic mod, so giving him supering powers on MX wouldn't have been that big of a travesty, especially when you look at who's been supered recently.

I got ignored, even when I talked to DBJ. Sorry, but I'm not going to call him "Jiji :-*" to try to get my way. It was an honest suggestion with a moderate amount of support.

But hey, it's politics. :)[/QUOTE]

That is the biggest thing that I just flat-out don't understand. It would have been so EASY to super Med and give him modding powers in Politics and R+M. And he would have done a damn fine job too. But instead we get a mod overload in exactly the wrong place, and with the wrong people. People are needed elsewhere, and yet their inhabitants are consistently ignored. Meh. Kind of dumb.

As I said, the biggest thing that irks me is that even if I did have a bigger problem with the mod situation, I wouldn't be able to change it by protesting. I find the mod situation strange but not intolerable (as yet). The forced complacency is my real problem, because it seems like nothing can be done about anything by anybody around here unless you're an admin and you feel like it.

[QUOTE]Yeah, I think it's time we had a communist revolution here.[/QUOTE]

Das Übermensche already tried that, I think, and like most user-driven fights for change, it fell flat on its face.

I personally think Simple Man is a douche, that Riva and another R+M regular should be modded (common, 230405055 or whatever his name is is never on), and that Hardcore/Emo should be deleted because all that happens in their is a thread is started such as 'Insert Metalcore Band Here' and the regulars just go in and say 'good band' without any other input.

[QUOTE=Arucard]Hardcore/Emo should be deleted because all that happens in their is a thread is started such as 'Insert Metalcore Band Here' and the regulars just go in and say 'good band' without any other input.[/QUOTE]

[size=5]SIR, HOW [B][I]DARE[/I][/B] YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SUGGEST THAT A FORUM THAT WAS CREATED JUST FOR NICK BE DELETED! SURELY, YOU WILL BE BANNED FOR EVEN THINKING THIS![/SIZE]

teehee i r teh funni

PS: Hey, nice review, by the way. /me votes++

///

As for Chris not ever being on: he's usually hangin' out in Guitar or is busy with uni. And he probably has a life to boot, heh. :p

Hahah. That forum is pointless.

Thanks about the review, it took a while but i love the band/album.

In other news im seeing Bloc Party this Saturday.

[QUOTE=Cain]Why are all these ignored while DBJ's friends get supered..?[/QUOTE]

Because DBJ is the admin, and he ultimately decides who to mod.

[QUOTE=Cain]I've been completely surprised by all of the past four modships, with the exception of Liberi. [/QUOTE]

Liberi was the one I was most surprised at, considering his past.

[QUOTE=Cain]There are plenty of deserving people that get overlooked or outright ignored for consideration in modships..[/QUOTE]

To give you an example of how discussion for modship go in the mod forum since DBJ was made an admin and, according to Ken, our "leader".

DBJ: I think it's about time we had a new Pit mod. I suggest Strum.

Ken: Great idea, whatever you think, go for it (this is an optional extra; doesn't always happen).

Mod 1: Yeah, Strum would be okay, but I'd rather go for X. He'd be good.

Mod 2: I'd rather go with X too, yeah.

Mod 3: I wouldn't support X, but I wouldn't go with Strum either. How about Y?

Mod 4: I'm fine with Strum.

Mod 1: Y would be good, but I never really thought of him as a potential mod. I still say X.

*insert two or so pages of discussion amongst mods, in which they arrive at no concensus*

DBJ: Strum it is then! [i]/me mods Strum[/i] Welcome, Strum!

This isn't anything against Strum by the way, he turned out alright as a mod.

I don't see why Ken occasionally comes on and just closes loads of threads and bans people for pointless things.

I'm sick of these conversations because I am always mentioned and it gets my hopes up :(.

[QUOTE=Arucard]I don't see why Ken occasionally comes on and just closes loads of threads and bans people for pointless things.[/QUOTE]

Because you have to punish people! Give em an inch and they'll walk all over you! Punish them enough and all the site's problems will go away!

*continuing, SWAT team, gung-ho cliches*

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Before Strum was a mod he was just a pit spammer, wasn't he?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he still spams a bit, but not as much.

I really hate the way some of the mods here actually flame more then some of the users, aren't mods supposed to help users and not abuse their powers?

[QUOTE=Bartender]Because DBJ is the admin, and he ultimately decides who to mod.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

[QUOTE]Liberi was the one I was most surprised at, considering his past.[/QUOTE] That's just me not being around long enough, I guess. I remember hearing vile tales of horrible spam and hacking or something regarding Liberi, but I haven't seen anything of that from him recently. (It also took me a few months to post somewhere else besides R+M's community and official threads, so for much of the end of 2004 I wasn't paying attention). :)



[QUOTE]To give you an example of how discussion for modship go in the mod forum since DBJ was made an admin and, according to Ken, our "leader".

DBJ: I think it's about time we had a new Pit mod. I suggest Strum.

Ken: Great idea, whatever you think, go for it (this is an optional extra; doesn't always happen).

Mod 1: Yeah, Strum would be okay, but I'd rather go for X. He'd be good.

Mod 2: I'd rather go with X too, yeah.

Mod 3: I wouldn't support X, but I wouldn't go with Strum either. How about Y?

Mod 4: I'm fine with Strum.

Mod 1: Y would be good, but I never really thought of him as a potential mod. I still say X.

*insert two or so pages of discussion amongst mods, in which they arrive at no concensus*

DBJ: Strum it is then! [i]/me mods Strum[/i] Welcome, Strum!

This isn't anything against Strum by the way, he turned out alright as a mod.[/QUOTE]

Feh. That's pretty dumb. It sounds like DBJ just comes in with his mind made up. (On the other hand, maybe he has to, considering the "no consensus" part of your post)

This is another reason why I don't understand why the users aren't given more credence in the mod selection process. Sure, this isn't a democracy, but users know how they want to be moderated and I think they're usually pretty accurate in their judgement of who would be good. The whole military concept of "you never want your friends as your commanding officers" would hold here: I think the users would know a less-deserving or appropriate mod when they saw him/her and wouldn't give a sh[size=2]i[/size]t about how popular they were, if ultimately someone was more qualified.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Before Strum was a mod he was just a pit spammer, wasn't he?[/QUOTE]

I think he still is, to a degree.

[QUOTE=Arucard]I don't see why Ken occasionally comes on and just closes loads of threads and bans people for pointless things.[/QUOTE]

He's kind of a Nazi about his bannings, I think his thread-closing is all right though.

To ashman: I don't like that much either. I just think about CreepingBlack and how he was basically a good user in R+M but got flamed to hell and back in the Pit until he begged for a perm-ban of his account. Now, on the one hand, I did like CB, and I think that he did take the internet (and especially the Pit) a little too seriously. But Christ, couldn't NPC and Burt give the poor kid a break?

[QUOTE=Bartender]Because you have to punish people! Give em an inch and they'll walk all over you! Punish them enough and all the site's problems will go away!

*continuing, SWAT team, gung-ho cliches*[/QUOTE]

Ha, alright. That pretty much explains it. You and 'Peer let us have some fun, and i love 'Peers T:rolleyes::rolleyes:L thing.

[QUOTE=Cain]
That's just me not being around long enough, I guess. I remember hearing vile tales of horrible spam and hacking or something regarding Liberi, but I haven't seen anything of that from him recently.[/QUOTE]

He was never malicious or anything like plexi or AmysVerdict, but in the past he's messed around with embedded code in the CD Reviews forum (because some things were siwtched on there that weren't elsewhere), and made/implemented scripts in links to change people's avatars and user titles (to "Liberi is a sex god"). He's also pretty much plexi's closest friend on MX, which, if he weren't a hypocrite, would rule him out for modship in DBJ's mind straight away (DBJ has all but threatened demodding for even talking to plexi before, for example).

[QUOTE=Cain]Feh. That's pretty dumb. It sounds like DBJ just comes in with his mind made up.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, amongst other things. For the latest three moddings, the thread he made in the mod forum read "Bringing new people on board", and he'd already told Simple Man, Liberi and morrissey that he was going to mod them.

[QUOTE=Bartender]He was never malicious or anything like plexi or AmysVerdict, but in the past he's messed around with embedded code in the CD Reviews forum (because some things were siwtched on there that weren't elsewhere), and made/implemented scripts in links to change people's avatars and user titles (to "Liberi is a sex god"). He's also pretty much plexi's closest friend on MX, which, if he weren't a hypocrite, would rule him out for modship in DBJ's mind straight away (DBJ has all but threatened demodding for even talking to plexi before, for example).[/QUOTE]
I don't have plexi on MSN :shifty:.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]I'm going to start my own message board so I can mod all my friends. Oh wait, I did that before and it sucked. :confused:

And yeah, Strum is still spammy but he's a good mod too. Before he was made a mod, he was one of those useless MattfromCanada types who contributed nothing and showed no actual aptitude for the job.[/QUOTE]
zomg lyk mak3 m0i a adm1nz lawlz!

I know this may sound wierd, but i think that a mod who gets no attention and does such a good job and is insanely helpful in every thread on the forum is REINER in Video Games/Movies. He really knows his stuff, and has helped me out countless times with computer issues.

[QUOTE=Arucard]I know this may sound wierd, but i think that a mod who gets no attention and does such a good job and is insanely helpful in every thread on the forum is REINER in Video Games/Movies. He really knows his stuff, and has helped me out countless times with computer issues.[/QUOTE]

He is indeed quite good. Very knowledgeable, and as you say, no credit.

[quote=Cain]I think that he did take the internet (and especially the Pit) a little too seriously.[/quote]

See, that's the thing... we're all taking this a bit more seriously, possibly more than what's necessary. Why? My guess is (for users like me) that we spend a lot of time on this place, so we treat it more seriously than a Pit whore who comes in for laughs.

I mean, look at all your long-winded posts you've made :)

My guess (for users/supers like Bartender) is in the interest of fairness. They all started out as locals, and after a number of months - and even years - were finally supered.

Now, we have mods who are instantly supered, or locals that were upgraded in a short time.

The two locals-turned-supers who I really like are Gav and Spencer (I0Play0Bass and allofmeoliveme). They're great guys.

But hey, if you talked to Jiji... I mean, DBJ online regularly off of MX, surely you could get whatever it is you asked for.

I mean, again, I don't have a problem with the people themselves, but just the way that things all of a sudden turned out.

It's essentially pissing all over the people who have put in years of service into the site, only to see their efforts and time wasted because Jiji in Indy gets his belly rubbed by Ken and lets others IM him at will and exploit him for power.

[QUOTE=Jom]See, that's the thing... we're all taking this a bit more seriously. Why? My guess is (for users like me) that we spent a lot of time on this place, so we treat it more seriously than a Pit whore.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Same for me. I hate it when people (though they may remain faceless and "anonymous") are dicks, are unfair, and treat other people and their opinions badly. When that happens in a community, even an internet one, I tend to get pretty riled up.

[QUOTE]I mean, look at all your long-winded posts you've made :)[/QUOTE]

Har har. Obviously long-winded=smart. You should know, you write a J.K. Rowling's worth of words with every two weeks of posting. :cool:

[QUOTE]My guess (for users/supers like Bartender) is in the interest of fairness. They all started out as locals, and after a number of months, were finally supered.[/QUOTE]

My way of looking at it is on a more person-by-person basis: I care less about the process to achieve the honor than the persons that ultimately recieve it.

The fact that they were supered all at once does exacerbate the problem, though.

[QUOTE]But hey, if you talked to Jiji... I mean, DBJ online regularly off of MX, surely you could get whatever it is you asked for.

I mean, again, I don't have a problem with the people themselves, but just the way that things all of a sudden turned out.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

[QUOTE]It's essentially pissing all over the people who have put in years of service into the site, only to see their efforts and time wasted because Jiji in Indy gets his belly rubbed by Ken and lets others IM him at will and exploit him for power.[/QUOTE]

Bleh, I've never even tried IMing him. I care about thoughtful/fun discussion, not circle-jerking. I guess I'll never win Top 100 MXers or be a mod then. Somehow life goes on.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Don't let him insult you like this, Jom :p[/QUOTE]

It's okay, I just call it jealousy that he didn't get the #1 spot in Yppitola's Top 100 MXers thread, haha.

Of course, Humor is the authoritative person to run that competition, and I definitely wouldn't have the top spot there.

So, you could say that I'm #1 when it comes to making Top 100 MXer lists that don't matter :cool:

[QUOTE=Jom]
My guess (for users/supers like Bartender) is in the interest of fairness. They all started out as locals, and after a number of months - and even years - were finally supered.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, fairness is what I'm concerned about, I suppose. Thanks for capturing it in one word :) Not just in the local-super situation, though; I've no problem with someone being a local for only a few months before being supered - I was modded sometime in July and supered around October, for example (though for the record, JmE spent two years or so as a local before being supered about two months before he left, and Nacho spent three years as a local without ever being supered). I don't like the hypocrisy, nepotism, etc, in general.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Only because you don't matter :)[/quote]

Pfft! Whatever, you fine fusty African walrus spatula omnibus, [url=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10103166&postcount=834]I have a commanding lead[/url] thus far :cool:

[quote=Barkeeper]Yeah, fairness is what I'm concerned about, I suppose.

...

I don't like the hypocrisy, nepotism, etc, in general.[/quote]

Well, at least you narrowed it down at the end, instead of just agreeing with me in the beginning. I'm certainly not the most authoritative source at this point in time, heh :)

[QUOTE=Bartender]Yeah, fairness is what I'm concerned about, I suppose. Thanks for capturing it in one word :) Not just in the local-super situation, though; I've no problem with someone being a local for only a few months before being supered - I was modded sometime in July and supered around October, for example (though for the record, JmE spent two years or so as a local before being supered about two months before he left, and Nacho spent three years as a local without ever being supered). I don't like the hypocrisy, nepotism, etc, in general.[/QUOTE]

I didn't even get mentioned :upset:.

/cut cut
/stab stab

Most people who like me either:
A. stopped posting
B. don't recognize the name change
C. no longer like me :upset:.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Don't let him insult you like this, Jom :p
[/QUOTE]

That's not what I meant. :(

once again, this may sound weird.
but I find it great to see that so many people care so much about this forum.

I think other people ( including mods) should respect this.
and of now, some users ( and mods) don't :upset:

[quote=Cain]That's not what I meant.[/quote]

No worries, we've understood each other for a long time. Well, I've understood [i]you[/i], yet you always feel the need to argue with me when I'm just egging you on :p

Oh my, when will you learn? :cool:

[quote=Eleventeen, or I Am Vikingcore]/whiney post[/quote]

I still like you, I just think it's humorous when you whine.

Ninja edit.

I sense abusive power in the near future :/.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]I didn't even get mentioned :upset:.

/cut cut
/stab stab

Most people who like me either:
A. stopped posting
B. don't recognize the name change
C. no longer like me :upset:.[/QUOTE]

You were a pretty bad noob though :lol:

TeneEN ReASSOns WWhy Kornr RCOsksS!!

[QUOTE=Jom]No worries, we've understood each other for a long time. Well, I've understood [i]you[/i], yet you always feel the need to argue with me when I'm just egging you on :p

Oh my, when will you learn? :cool:[/QUOTE]

I'm getting there. A few more tears and about a minute of additional spluttering should do it.

[QUOTE]I still like you, I just think it's humorous when you whine.
[/QUOTE]

Nu-metal fans need to stick together.

/elitism

EDIT: And yeah, Eleventeen, you were a terrible n00b. It was why we ignored Dargon for such a long time. ;)

There are quite alot of people in R+M i want to kill actually.

/Looks at Ray.
/Looks at Madey.

[QUOTE=Arucard]There are quite alot of people in R+M i want to kill actually.

/Looks at Ray.
/Looks at Madey.[/QUOTE]

You're much angrier than you used to be.

/remembers the happy days of Trivium fanboyisms.

CONCLUSION: It's because you drink too much. :)

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]I didn't even get mentioned :upset:.

/cut cut
/stab stab

Most people who like me either:
A. stopped posting
B. don't recognize the name change
C. no longer like me :upset:.[/QUOTE]

Not too sure why you quoted me here.

[QUOTE=Joe]
There are quite alot of people in R+M i want to kill actually.

/Looks at Ray.
/Looks at Madey.[/QUOTE]

And why do they deserve death?

I don't think I'm hated, nor loved.
I'm just not noticed all that much.

[QUOTE=Cain]I'm getting there. A few more tears and about a minute of additional spluttering should do it.[/QUOTE]

Wait, wait. You cried at some of the things I said? You wuss!

Only kidding.

[quote=Joe]There are quite alot of people in R+M i want to kill actually.

/Looks at Ray.
/Looks at Madey.[/quote]

Well, neither has been around here lately. Ray has been in the Classic Rock thread and in his usual hangout in Sports, so it's fair to say he hasn't done anything to you as of late, as much as you hate the guy.

And well, Madey is Madey, although she hasn't been around much, either. HAY GUYZ, MAH BOYFREND IS 28 LOL, B/C U GUYZ R GAY, RITE?! RIIIIIIITE!?!

So really, you shouldn't be so angry at either of them... at least, not recently. Does it detract from how they treated you like crap before? No, not at all... but they haven't done anything in the past couple days to warrant you being so bitter towards them.

Smile on, chico. Just keep kicking as[size=2]s your own[/size] way, and don't worry about what they're up to :)

[QUOTE=Jom]Wait, wait. You cried at some of the things I said? You wuss!
[/QUOTE]

No, I just got a mild tension in my forehead.

[QUOTE]So really, you shouldn't be so angry at either of them... at least, not recently. Does it detract from how they treated you like crap before? No, not at all... but they haven't done anything in the past couple days to warrant you being so bitter towards them.

Smile on, chico. Just keep kicking as[size=2]s your own[/size] way, and don't worry about what they're up to :)[/QUOTE]

Wait, they did something to Arucard?

I must've missed something. What happened? When was this?

[QUOTE=Arucard]You were a pretty bad noob though :lol:

TeneEN ReASSOns WWhy Kornr RCOsksS!![/QUOTE]

I was a prettybad n00b as well. But look what I evolved into...a pretty badass :lol:

What's this I read...morissey was modded? What the hell..?

I don't really hate anyone here, man. I'm a lover, not a hater. Except Matt (Vikingcore). He's a cunt ( :p just kiddin').

NP: Ancient- Rape The Children of Abel

[QUOTE=Cain]
Wait, they did something to Arucard?

I must've missed something. What happened? When was this?[/QUOTE]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

[QUOTE=ICB]
What's this I read...morissey was modded? What the hell..?

NP: Ancient- Rape The Children of Abel[/QUOTE]

Morissey, Simple Man, and Liberi.

[QUOTE=Cain]Wait, they did something to Arucard?

I must've missed something. What happened? When was this?[/QUOTE]

They repeatedly make light of Joe's fascination with the Japanese culture and give him crap about liking it. They say things such as "Joe gets off on hentai" (just picking out a random Japanese-associated term), among other things. Obviously, it annoys him, because he's tried in the past to explain the culture to them because he thoroughly enjoys sharing it with people, but they elect to remain ignorant on the matter, so we get feature presentations of Joe vs. Ray and Joe vs. Madey sometimes.

It's rather unwarranted, and I don't blame Joe for getting pissed off about it, but I would hope that he can ignore them by now, because Joe rox teh boxerz, as bitter of an individual he can be sometimes.

He's incredibly friendly and kind on MSN.

[QUOTE=Cain]Morissey, Simple Man, and Liberi.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I read that...

I defenitely think that thereare some more deserving users, though.

[QUOTE=Jom]Wait, wait. You cried at some of the things I said? You wuss!

Only kidding.



Well, neither has been around here lately. Ray has been in the Classic Rock thread and in his usual hangout in Sports, so it's fair to say he hasn't done anything to you as of late, as much as you hate the guy.

And well, Madey is Madey, although she hasn't been around much, either. HAY GUYZ, MAH BOYFREND IS 28 LOL, B/C U GUYZ R GAY, RITE?! RIIIIIIITE!?!

So really, you shouldn't be so angry at either of them... at least, not recently. Does it detract from how they treated you like crap before? No, not at all... but they haven't done anything in the past couple days to warrant you being so bitter towards them.

Smile on, chico. Just keep kicking as[size=2]s your own[/size] way, and don't worry about what they're up to :)[/QUOTE]

Yah, i was wondering where they had gone. The last straw for me was when one of you was explaining about how you were reading a book (i think it was Stoic) and it had this random rape scene in the back of a forest, but it was a really good book, and i said 'sounds interesting, i might look into it' and Ray said 'I don't think you'd like it Joe, the girl getting raped isn't Japanese.'

Thats not even a joke, it was overtly offensive.

Also, i don't drink to much. I get drunk once a week.