whyd u edit now it dosent make cents

take brent off ignore

see this page

put him back on ignore

@adb
agnostic; a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or anything beyond material phenomena.
to claim you are agnostic but then claim that belief in the supernatural is stupider than disbelief means you have a tendency to be atheistic, or a tendency to be an idiot.

@tronn
I edited it because it didn't make sense before; I made a typo.

why do you feel the need to argue about the same things with different ppl every day adb

[QUOTE=Deth;18394902]take brent off ignore

see this page

put him back on ignore[/QUOTE]

I should probably do that

nice false dichotomy and ad-hominem p13

another kid who can't argue

also nice straw man too

I never said belief in supernatural is stupid

adb do you ever just take a step back and look at your life and think man i don't see anything

seriously, you guys need to learn how to read before jumping to conclusions

[QUOTE]adb do you ever just take a step back and look at your life and think man i don't see anything[/QUOTE]


i see your sexay boday

brent i think you need to accept jesus christ as your saviour

[QUOTE=adb;18394859]believing in supernatural
rational

pick 1[/QUOTE]

not a strawman

not to mention, you never seem to argue you just dismiss what people say

[QUOTE=adb;18394918]nice false dichotomy and ad-hominem p13

another kid who can't argue

also nice straw man too

I never said belief in supernatural is stupid[/QUOTE]

it's cool how you can say imply but if anyone does it to you it's a mortal sin

back to ignore have fun kids

lets go over why p13 fails at arguing

false dichotomy - he implies you have to be either sided with theism or atheism when agnostic

ad-hominem - "stupider" "idiot"

belief in god

metal forum

[QUOTE=adb;18394923]

i see your sexay boday[/QUOTE]

[I]deflection[/I]

[QUOTE=blockhead;18394934]belief in god

metal forum[/QUOTE]

metal shirts in church

arguing about religion

[QUOTE=P13;18394866]believing athiesm is as rational than theism or deism
being ignorant[/QUOTE]

:lol:

[QUOTE=adb;18394932]lets go over why p13 fails at arguing

false dichotomy - he implies you have to be either sided with theism or atheism when agnostic

ad-hominem - "stupider" "idiot"[/QUOTE]

Actually, I implied that you are supposed to side with neither. That's the definition of agnostic

I never said you were stupid, I said that you say that belief in the supernatural is less rational (ie. stupider) than disbelief in the supernatural. Then what I said was either this means you have a tendency to believe that there is nothing supernatural or you have a tendency to believe in irrantional things (ie be an idiot).

I wish I could find someone on mx who can actually justify believing in god

I know a good argument for it and I'm not even theist

how ignorant am I man

[QUOTE]I said that you say that belief in the supernatural is less rational (ie. stupider) than disbelief in the supernatural.[/QUOTE]

thing is, I never said this

please, quote the post in this discussion where I did

[QUOTE=Luc214;18394940]:lol:[/QUOTE]

Jesus that was a bad edit :\

edit: fixed

[QUOTE=adb;18394859]believing in supernatural
rational

pick 1[/QUOTE]

how many times do I have to quote this?

[QUOTE=P13;18394953]how many times do I have to quote this?[/QUOTE]

you only had to once to solidify your tomfoolery

I never said anywhere in that statement that non-theist was rational, nor implied it

I was responding to you; as a theist and a fan of science

theism and science contradict eachother, they are not rational together

that was the second time I quoted it

what is the polar opposite of belief in the supernatural? disbelief in the supernatural
what is the opposite of rational? irrational
if belief in the supernatural = irrational
this implies that disbelief in supernatural = rational

[QUOTE=P13;18394906]@adb
agnostic; a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or anything beyond material phenomena.
to claim you are agnostic but then claim that belief in the supernatural is stupider than disbelief means you have a tendency to be atheistic, or a tendency to be an idiot.

@tronn
I edited it because it didn't make sense before; I made a typo.[/QUOTE]


:lol: i wasent even talking to u but ok

brent arguing
me posting

pick 1

[QUOTE=adb;18394958]

theism and science contradict eachother, they are not rational together[/QUOTE]

actually they don't contradict each other

science is only concerned with naturalism, it doesn't concern itself with anything that can't be explained through a naturalistic view.

science doesn't say that there is no supernatural realm, science just does not concern itself with the possibility of the existence of one

then to say that there is a supernatural realm with a deity that works THROUGH naturalism is not a contradiction

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18394971]brent arguing
me posting

pick 1[/QUOTE]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][I]~*LoGiCaL faLlACy![/I][/FONT]

[QUOTE=P13;18394967]that was the second time I quoted it

what is the polar opposite of belief in the supernatural? disbelief in the supernatural
what is the opposite of rational? irrational
if belief in the supernatural = irrational
this implies that disbelief in supernatural = rational[/QUOTE]

wow you really need to be educated what a false dichotomy is :lol:

[QUOTE=Luc214;18394974]actually they don't contradict each other

science is only concerned with naturalism, it doesn't concern itself with anything that can't be explained through a naturalistic view.

it's perfectly logical then to say that there is a supernatural realm with a deity that works THROUGH naturalism.[/QUOTE]

its actually illogical to to say anything about stuff that is beyond the realm of logic

its like talking about what taste looks like

[QUOTE=adb;18394977]wow you really need to be educated what a false dichotomy is :lol:[/QUOTE]

you need to take a math class :lol:

logic was probably a bad word choice. but my point remains, science doesn't actually contradict the existence of a deity

[QUOTE=Luc214;18394974]science doesn't say that there is no supernatural realm, science just does not concern itself with the possibility of the existence of one

[/QUOTE]

thats the point, if you like science, you understand that the scientific method rules

I've seen p13 say similar things about it

you cannot use it to predict God's existence, so what logical medium do you use then?

[QUOTE=P13;18394978]its actually illogical to to say anything that is beyond the realm of logic

its like talking about what taste looks like



you need to take a math class :lol:[/QUOTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

"The terms " logic" or " logical" are sometimes used as if they were identical with the term "reason" or with the concept of being " rational"

dont you look stupid now

and uh, what does math have to do with anything

[QUOTE=adb;18394985]thats the point, if you like science, you understand that the scientific method rules

I've seen p13 say similar things about it

you cannot use it to predict God's existence, so what logical medium do you use then?[/QUOTE]

science and logic are inherently insufficient for verifying the existence of anything beyond the natural

so any conclusions about the supernatural are irrational

ur both idiots

/thread

/commits suicide

[QUOTE]science doesn't actually contradict the existence of a deity[/QUOTE]

heard of the scientific method?

[QUOTE]so any conclusions about the supernatural are irrational[/QUOTE]

which is why I'm agnostic

BOY WHAT AN ENGAGING COVERSATION

I need to get ready for work

[QUOTE=adb;18394985]thats the point, if you like science, you understand that the scientific method rules[/quote]

it does but only in the immediate world.

[quote]you cannot use it to predict God's existence, so what logical medium do you use then?[/QUOTE]

well I would say that you're right, there's no logical medium to determine whether or not a deity exists.

however as I said science doesn't deny the possibility of the existence of the supernatural, so it's definitely possible to mix a logical worldview with one of "faith"

[QUOTE=adb;18394996]heard of the scientific method?
[/QUOTE]

the scientific method ignores the possibility of the existence of a supernatural realm

so you cannot use the scientific method to disprove anything beyond the natural world

[QUOTE=adb;18394991]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

"The terms " logic" or " logical" are sometimes used as if they were identical with the term "reason" or with the concept of being " rational"

dont you look stupid now

and uh, what does math have to do with anything[/QUOTE]

see edit, for got 2 words (lookin stupid)

and if you look at this mathematically (ie. logically):
let "belief in the supernatural" = X
let "disbelief in the supernatural" = -X (opposite of X, they are both vectors)
if X = irrational, then -X = -irrational which =rational

SO THEN WHAT DO YOU USE TO VERIFY GOD LUC

OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T

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