[QUOTE=Knifeboy]Look at the lengths of the tracks.... Mixed with the fact that they actually do sync up beat for beat.. ...[/QUOTE]

Didn't someone say it goes all dissonant? It could just be coincidence.

And to the guy who wasn't satisfied with 60 minutes of music from a band after 5 years... *shakes head* Greedy bastard. Enough is never enough is it.

It's not enough, opeth are just as progressive and so much more productive...

That album didn't take a year and a half to make. Maybe the artwork did, but then aren't we missing the point somewhat?

It goes dissonant for about 10 seconds. That's it. There's no way it wasn't intended. It lines up EXACTLY. The snare in the heavy part lines up perfectly. If you haven't heard it then you must.

I'm sorry but if you don't think it was intended, you're irrationally skeptical.

[QUOTE=Moses]irrationally skeptical.[/QUOTE]


thats a little open to interpretation...

i still have yet to see any proof that it was "intended"

Well, have you heard it? The only reason I could see about it not being intentional is that it gets dissonant for about 10 seconds, but even that is part of the build-up.

But here are the reasons I think it's intended:

Fits perfectly, beat to beat, note to note, and the audio qualities are almost identical. The snares would sound jumbled if it didn't.

It drops a little in the mix before the heavy part so it won't blow the speakers but still will have a great effect.

The fact that it adds up. Viginti Tres is exactly long enough for the rest of the song to be taken by WfM and it ends at the same time.

Also the fact that it sounds amazing.

If you have any idea how hard it is to line up tracks perfectly, you'd realize that it's not a coincidence.

lol

Skepticism is funny to me. It's a logical reaction to extreme emotions of fear..

Moses is right, though. Some of you guys sometimes try too hard not to believe in something that maybe alittle outside of convenient logistics. It's like the old saying, "You can't see the air, yet you know it's there"..

I think the sync is intensional. There is alot about this ablum points to "two become one", and "synchronicity". Not mention the interviews with the band that hint to this as well. On top of that, this is Tool we are talking about. Tell me something: Do you really believe this is out of Tool musical grasp to do..?

With technology the way it is these days it's no surprise that new things can be explored from a band. Sure, 30 years ago something like this would be impossible (I take that back, it could be done, but no one would be able to enjoy it really), but in the digital world we live in this would be the next step. And, as I wouldn't have doubted Tool would be the first to try..

lol In the interview with Revolver magazine Tool made a comment that if their music no longer speaks to the "iPod generation" then they would be okay with it, and they wouldn't mind being irrevelent. This just goes to show that they still have hope that there are still people out here that want something to challenge and stimulate their minds..

I think it'd be naive to believe it wasn't intended...

And about 10.000 days not being enough music after five years... Tool can't really be compared to bands like Opeth, Mikael writes all of the music for Opeth.. He's the kind of guy who never stops writing.. While Tool seems more like a hobby band... Kind of thing.. I mean, none of the guys from Tool have only Tool, everyone does something at the side.. Lucky guys.. Being in a band you can live off, is rare enough.. Being in a band where you can take a 2 year break and still survive, must be heaven

I'd have to say Lost Keys is my favorite filler.

The thing about Tool is that they got bigger at a time where commercial music was going through a cool period. I mean bands like Rage Against the Machine and Primus would never even got any kind of play on MTV if they started to rise up right about now. Back then all three of these bands were "cool". All of those bands have the fan base that they collected from that era and they have their respective n00bs too, like most of us.

So true.. We live in a time where a band like Porcupine Tree can release 3 absolutely amazing albums in a row.. And go almost completely unnoticed

'I think the sync is intensional.'

This was intended refl...

Good one :thumb:


Ipod generation? Meaning they have music on their computers...and can mess about it? Sounds like a good way of showing they dont care about the ipod generation to me...though this is a little silly.

And the opeth-tool thing was just an example. I know it's not the only thing the band members do, i really like APC and adams art is kinda cool. (not a big pigmy love circus fan) but y'know people are saying this took 5 years to make. while this isn't true, if it was i'd be hella dissapointed. The truth is this album took one and a half years to make, now don't you think it could be a little more polished? More substance, more flow...?

This sync thing is nice and everything, but it doesn't sync up to an eargasming level (i normally steer clear of that word, but for now i'll use it). I will eventually try and sync it myself properly, with the dissonant part sounding not so dissonant.

But was it THAT hard to make? If they had the ideas for the song then though hey that sounds good on its own. Then broke it into two parts etc. I can't see that this was a pre-designed concept before writing began.

It's great and i really love the heavy part, but i think it wasn't predesigned from the start. And could have been done slightly better (maybe too critical?) And couldn't more work have been done to provide a stronger second half of the album :p

It's likely that intended it's dissonant for a reason.

i cant stand porcupine tree, so i can see why they may be "overlooked"



and i hardly think because it "syncs" is evidence that it is intentional. Id have to wait till the band has an official statement myself

Tool rarely ever officially addresses these things, and rightfully so. That's part of the appeal I and many others have to Tool, the whole mystique they carry. The depth. Announcing something officially would detract from the experience, I find.

Oh, and I've also yet to see the big deal with Porcupine Tree.

i guess i dont see why it bothers people that i think its bunk :lol:

I love Porcupine Tree <3 IMO they should be selling more albums than Tool.

[QUOTE=Futuro]I love Porcupine Tree <3 IMO they should be selling more albums than Tool.[/QUOTE]
I almost agree with you.

Seriously though, Porcupine Tree does deserve alot more exposure considering their huge discography and great music.

In my book Porcupine Tree ranks number one, as the most consistently good band ever.. Out of the hundreds and hundres of songs Steven has written, only a handfull are plain bad songs...
If you don't see the big deal about them, I sorta feel bad for you, because no other band has provided me with so much great music

/\/\



i can respect that approach. My taste just doesnt encompass them

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]In my book Porcupine Tree ranks number one, as the most consistently good band ever.. Out of the hundreds and hundres of songs Steven has written, only a handfull are plain bad songs...
If you don't see the big deal about them, I sorta feel bad for you, because no other band has provided me with so much great music[/QUOTE]
I guess I should have worded that better.

I've just never given them a good dedicated listen, and that's why I meant "I've [I]yet[/I] to see the big deal".

I like PT but only if I'm in the mood. I usually listen to them if I ever get depressed. Somthing like Glass Arm Shattering or Lightbulb Sun is really uplifting.

I find them very repetitive.

However when i'm in the right mood deadwing/in absentia are great albums. Lightbulb sun is also good but not so much. And i really can't stand signify :-/

I agree with CaC..

Tool aren't ones to publicly announce anything about their music. They may hint, joke, or maybe lie about song meanings or thoughts when recording them. So, if anyone is looking for a booming voice from the sky it's not going to happen.. :lol:

I never really saw the intrigue in Porcupine Tree. To me they were a weird mix of Cold Play and Radiohead...both bands I don't tend to appreciate much..

[QUOTE=Esoteric_Creator]I never really saw the intrigue in Porcupine Tree. To me they were a weird mix of Cold Play and Radiohead...bath bands I don't tend to appreciate much..[/QUOTE]
Sucks for you.

Who else likes PoS in here?

Peice of Sh!t?

[QUOTE=Kurrpt]Peice of Sh!t?[/QUOTE]
:eek:

:angry: :angry: :angry:

Pain of Salvation...

PoS usually does mean Piece of Sh[size=2]it[/size], though, heh.

This is the Tool thread, though, no? PoS (hah) are great by the way.

i listened to the first 1/2 of that "sync" track...


i hardly feel this is conclusive on any level. Interesting? A bit maybe

Once the heavy part comes in, it becomes more convincing.

Well Viginti Tres could go with just about everything but the fact that it's just long enough for WfM to fit and for the heavy parts to match up perfectly is just way too lucky for it to be a coincidence.

[QUOTE=Moses]Well Viginti Tres could go with just about everything but the fact that it's just long enough for WfM to fit and for the heavy parts to match up perfectly is just way too lucky for it to be a coincidence.[/QUOTE]
Its not like they were written by two different bands. They are both written by Tool so two songs that follow similar structures and length that appear on a album is not the rare, and hardly signify anything.