[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Amherst Pandemonium Part 1. I go to Williams and Amherst is our rival so I like to imagine them being torn apart to the music of Orchid.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :thumb:

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Anything by Orchid is good, silly billy![/QUOTE]
yes, you are absolutely right.

[QUOTE=whiteminority]yes, you are absolutely right.[/QUOTE]

Well, I don't think they are that great..

/seeks cover

I mean there good...but not great...

[QUOTE=Saturday Supercade]I mean there good...but not great...[/QUOTE]
:angry:

I'm trying to find orchid songs online, but I can't. Can anyone tell me where to find some?

Soulseek. I have quite a bit by them, my username is 'Damien Rhodes'.

Who the hell is Scary Kids Scaring Kids? That is one fag[b][i][/b][/i]goty name.

check slsk for orchid.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's slsk?

[url=http://www.slsknet.org]Soulseek.[/url] It's a peer to peer filesharing network, it's pretty good for underground/hard to find music.

Soulseek > Everything

Except maybe BitTorrent, but I still can't figure out how it works.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Soulseek. I have quite a bit by them, my username is 'Damien Rhodes'.

Who the hell is Scary Kids Scaring Kids? That is one fag[b][i][/b][/i]goty name.[/QUOTE]
Never heard of the band called that, but it is also the name of a cool song by Cap'n Jazz.

They're one of those Underoath/Emery type bands. I havn't heard much by them.

I fu[B][i][/b][/i]cking hate bands like Emery so much. :angry:


EDIT: 1000 POSTS :cool: :chug:

I've never heard Emery, but I like Underoath.

Underoath is alright, I don't mind most of their stuff but I hate seeing them live (with Fear Before and The Chariot) they suck so much.

[QUOTE=whiteminority]Underoath is alright, I don't mind most of their stuff but I hate seeing them live (with Fear Before and The Chariot) they suck so much.[/QUOTE]
That is definately the wrong crowd for them :lol:

Well a hundred twelve year old girls left as soon as they finished Re-Inventing Your Exit.

Thrice headlining a tour with Underoath? Ooh has it already started?

I'm going to that :D

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]I just started my Jazz Theory and Improv class today and I'm doing the listening assignment. It's freaking cool to be able to consider learning songs on guitar and listening to sick songs as homework. Also, I started Rugby today and I am pumped to kill some fools.[/QUOTE]
Just wait 'til you have to do ear training. It's a real bi[b][i][/i][/b]tch. :upset:

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Just wait 'til you have to do ear training. It's a real bi[b][i][/i][/b]tch. :upset:[/QUOTE]
Theory kills creativity. Beware.

[QUOTE=StandingStill]Theory kills creativity. Beware.[/QUOTE]
That is not true. Theory helps you express your creativity.

:lol: Wtf?

Drunk? Anyways, the thing about theory is the more you learn, the more structured and obvious your playing you'll become. Just go to the guitar forums and listen to them talk about Malsteem and Vai. Obviously there are exceptions, but I feel if you learn classical guitar from the age of 5 then your gonna dismiss most hardcore as rubbish, just because its not difficult to play.

Incorporating jazz style playing with metal sounds really good if you do it right. (Candiria, some Psy0pus)

[QUOTE=StandingStill]Theory kills creativity. Beware.[/QUOTE]
I concur. I think being self-taught is the best way to express creativity to its fullest.

Its all about the tech. Theory comes in mad useful if you want to write multiple parts though.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]But you self-teach based off of the music you listen to. That's how individual styles are created. People's personalities are formed by their unique take on their influences. Knowing theory will only destroy your playing style if you're a total tool who treats theory like the only way to form good songs. If you have good creativity you can optimally use it in your own special way. Get it?[/QUOTE]
I understand what your saying. But your wrong. Theory teaches your brain to associate certain scales, chords, patterns together. Sub-consciously. It helps train your brain to find a pleasing series of sounds, rhythms and structures. It affects EVERYTHING to do with your playing style. No one is saying that learning theory will completely stop any form of creativity and reduce you shredding constantly, because it depends heavily on the individual involved. I dont believe being self-taught is the way to truely express yourself either by the way... Your digestion of music, your age, your natural creativity are all factors in the creation of music. A friend of mine once told me to learn everything and then try and forget it all to help allow your individuality to come through again. Just look at the decline of jazz since they began to apply theory to it. If you have good creativity and your a genius then congratulations, well done, your going to be fine. If you aren't as creative then I dont see how a bit of friendly advice can be harmful. Get it?

Jazz isn't declining, it is growing. THeory may cause some people to become emotionless robots, but that is't true for even half of the people playing jazz. Theory allows to know what you are doing and express your creativity even better. Theory does not teach you precise structures and patterns. It's actually the opposite, you learn to break normal bou ndaries and express yourself in ways you never could before. Just because someone knows theory, doesn't mean they always abide by the rules and scales, look at Al Di Meola. He is one of the greatest guitar players alive and constantly plays things that sounds way off key or that go out of conventional patterns. And if you say he has no creativity, you have no business playing music.

Re-read my post please I think you completely missed what I was saying. I wasnt attacking theory as much as explaining how the brain processes certain information.

I'm no jazz expert, but as far as I'm aware after the initial explosion it lost of its focus (or lack of it) and was swallowed by people attempting to over-analyse it. I will check out this Di Meola fellow sounds interesting....

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]But you self-teach based off of the music you listen to. That's how individual styles are created. People's personalities are formed by their unique take on their influences. Knowing theory will only destroy your playing style if you're a total tool who treats theory like the only way to form good songs. If you have good creativity you can optimally use it in your own special way. Get it?[/QUOTE]

Of course I get it. But I'm better without theory without being a total tool who treats theory like the absolute truth. I've always been this way, happier and more satisfied with myself when developping my own things without help.

Of course we are self-taught based on the music we listen to; still, that doesn't come near being taught theory. You still have the choice of what you listen to, but not (or, to a lesser extent) what a teacher may teach you.

Perfectly said, DFelon.

You're all showing your inabillity to read a post. All look at the word 'sub-consciously'. Got it? Good. Find me the point where I treat theory like a rule-book?

I'll spell it out more simply. I was trying to explain the way the brain 'likes' to hear certain sounds. I'm not saying theory is 'evil' and stops people from being creative, I am saying that is scientific fact that in the same way as children are attracted to bright colours, harmonic sounds are pleasant. We enjoy hearing them on a basic, instinctive level. If you play something disonant your brain doesnt react to it in the same way as something harmonious. This is why classical music stimulates brain wave activity and listening to Merzbow for too long gives you a headache ( I like Merzbow, I dont wanna hear a rant about how amazing he is). A combination of this and muscle memory means often on a subconscious level people will run through certain ways of playing in certain modes. Which is why sometimes learning too much theory can be detrimental to a musicians progress. I've studied theory and when my friend advised me to 'forget' it all, he didnt mean everything I'd learnt was useless, just that if you think to hard about practically applying what you've learnt it can suffocate you. Beware. I think you have to be careful of how you approach learning things.

Also as far as I know we are in the emo/screamo thread so shouldnt that mean we are talking about theory application to emo/screamo bands? To some extent it could be argued that the emotional nature of the genre would dictate that the music should be as heartfelt and honest as possible. I'm aware that you can be tech and passionate, but Rites Of Spring certainly weren't. Just a thought, not being too serious there.

Finally, not trying to stir the pot any more or anything but as a massive DEP fan, most of the bands they've influenced seem to just switch time signatures and sweep all the time. Which isn't really what makes DEP so good.

Tech + Passion = Hot Cross

I want to see where you have read this studies though. I don't believe studying theory is going to make you think dissonance sounds horrible. Look at bands like Ion Dissonance(coincidence :p) and Between the Buried and Me, perhaps even Penderecki. They heavily apply theory to their music and use plenty of dissonant sounds.

Ok I know who Hot Cross are, wasn't looking for examples. You definately not getting this. It doesnt make you think dissonance sounds horrible. Your brain already doesnt like dissonant noise, from birth, its why you flinch when someone hits a bum not playing guitar or singing out of tune. I like Wolf Eyes who sound like an industrial accident, but thats my conscious selective musical taste and not my deep-rooted instinct. On a very simple, sub-conscious level.
Look on Google for any study on the way the brain reacts to music and sound.

Your brain has a reaction to it, but theory isn't going to make it so you can't recreate those noises. If anything, it will make it even easier. Theory doesn't cause your brain to make you play in certain patterns.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]I understood what you were saying but chose to ignore your BS "scientific" analysis of the human brain. So I guess the best way to be original is to lock yourself in a dark room and never ever listen to any music other than anything you create. Nothing will subconsciously taint your unique style. Standing Still, I understand hwat you're getting at, and I know a lot of people abuse the idea of music theory, but the way I use it and most people should I feel, is as a lighthouse. That is, if you're straying too far from something sensible you at least have the foundation to work yourself back if you want to. It's just something to remember as you're sailing along.[/QUOTE]
Ok, its not bull****. Its fact. Or at least theory! Whether you like it or not. Sorry. I don't care enough to trawl my psychology notes to appease you. I am obviously not suggesting the best way to be creative is to lock yourself up from birth with a guitar, I was suggesting learning theory can be detrimental to your creativity. That was a ridiculous cheap shot. Shame on you.
I think we are agreed that theory should be something to fall back on. I like to use it when I get stuck on something I've been writing, then work out what type/style of chord progression I'm playing and use that to help me come up with something else.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Tech + Passion = Hot Cross

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Josh never took any lessons, or learned any theory, and hes a dam.n good guitarist.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Your brain has a reaction to it, but theory isn't going to make it so you can't recreate those noises. If anything, it will make it even easier. Theory doesn't cause your brain to make you play in certain patterns.[/QUOTE]
It does. Don't you practice your scales?