[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Mustaine confuses me. One minute he's over it, the next he's moaning again.[/QUOTE]
yeah hes a little puto like that

I'm not sure I've told ya'll this...and I'm not sure you really want to know it either...but anyway...


my family is remodeling our house and doing all this stuff that really we could probably do without. So anyway we hired this dude to come in and help us (we are paying him a great deal of money) and he shows up late everyday he never answers his phone my dad can never get a straight answer as to when this stupid project is gonna be done. Our frekain house is torn apart and this guy is super annoying.

So anyway the other day I was listening to St. Anger and this guy tells my parents something to the effect of "I would really rather not have to listen to this music that worships saten"....whoa! wait one frickin minute buddy...

So Now my dad is like "So what's up with Metallica worshipping saten?" so I've been searching for stuff on St. Anger that will prove my point which is: St. Anger is a album about controlling your anger...not worshipping saten or any other god for that matter.

but all I can find is this [url]http://www.encycmet.com/songs/songs.shtml[/url] now I'm sure there is other stuff out there (I've seen it before)


Do ya'll think I should just show them Some Kinda monster?

any help would be great

Maybe you should tell them to stop being retarded. Let them read the lyrics. They aren't satanic.
In fact, find some real satanic stuff and show them it.

the dude who was fixing his house wasn't pissed at the lyrics. it was the music. he's probably a strong Catholic or something. the Church of England labled certain musical phrases to be linked with satanicism, such as the Devil's Interval(an album from my band:P) etc. and St. Anger is probably full of such musical phrases. don't get me wrong, he's being a hyper-sensitive tit, but still, now you can see where he's coming from.

No certain religious groups deem anything containing guitars and long hair as satanic.

another reason.

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]No certain religious groups deem anything containing guitars and long hair as satanic.[/QUOTE]



He actually plays guitar (kinda) He just heard the lyric "St. Anger round my neck" and assumed it was something it isn't


I gave my dad all my Tallica cd's so he could read the lyrics and listen to them if he wanted to but I don't think he has even looked at them. So I'm gona E-mail him the lyrics.

I was wondering if you guys had any video interviews where James talks about what the album is about.

[QUOTE=Rattlehead]calm down mate, i wasn't mad or anything, i was just not sure about your wording. just curious!

and as i have already said, i don't doubt jason's ability in bass playing. so you won't need to tell me for the umpteenth time about how brilliant a musician he is.:rolleyes:

you are probably right about him being the new kid on the block. so much so that his bass is literally inaudible. did he play in any other ajfa songs? *doubtful*

and jasons ideas were shot down because they didn't suit metallica. so its justified. <---- appropriate word usage :lol:[/QUOTE]

Uhm. I would just like to say that you shouldn't talk anymore.

Newsted wrote about 90% of the songs on Flotsam and Jetsam's first album by himself. That was the same year that he joined Metallica.

He wrote the main riff to Blackened. Hence why he has writing credits.

It's possible to hear bass on AJFA. I've heard it. It's there. Trust me.

They turn the bass down anymore live and it will be inaudible. That's not good.

Anything else I should address?

The bass guitar in AJFA is really not audible. It does have bass, especially during chorus' but not really bass guitar just some random booming and stuff.

[QUOTE=Britton]I'm not sure I've told ya'll this...and I'm not sure you really want to know it either...but anyway...


my family is remodeling our house and doing all this stuff that really we could probably do without. So anyway we hired this dude to come in and help us (we are paying him a great deal of money) and he shows up late everyday he never answers his phone my dad can never get a straight answer as to when this stupid project is gonna be done. Our frekain house is torn apart and this guy is super annoying.

So anyway the other day I was listening to St. Anger and this guy tells my parents something to the effect of "I would really rather not have to listen to this music that worships saten"....whoa! wait one frickin minute buddy...

So Now my dad is like "So what's up with Metallica worshipping saten?" so I've been searching for stuff on St. Anger that will prove my point which is: St. Anger is a album about controlling your anger...not worshipping saten or any other god for that matter.

but all I can find is this [url]http://www.encycmet.com/songs/songs.shtml[/url] now I'm sure there is other stuff out there (I've seen it before)


Do ya'll think I should just show them Some Kinda monster?

any help would be great[/QUOTE]

Why would a guy fixing your house care or have a say to what you should listen to? lol.

Anyways, clearly there's nothing satanic about metallica. Just print out the lyrics and show them.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]The bass guitar in AJFA is really not audible. It does have bass, especially during chorus' but not really bass guitar just some random booming and stuff. [/QUOTE]

And once again, I'm going to say that I've heard the bass guitar in AJFA. If you listen very closely it's not hard.

it bloody is hard! listen for it in Blackened. there is bass.

oh wait

[I]you can't hear it[/I]

I still can't hear it, even when I turn the bass way up on my speakers. It just sounds like really bassy guitar and I can't hear any sort of bass tone throughout.

[QUOTE=vashts80]And once again, I'm going to say that I've heard the bass guitar in AJFA. If you listen very closely it's not hard.[/QUOTE]

What part of blackened do you exactly hear the bass guitar?

[QUOTE=Thor]I still can't hear it, even when I turn the bass way up on my speakers. It just sounds like really bassy guitar and I can't hear any sort of bass tone throughout.[/QUOTE]

Same here. I have a decent speakers, and the only heard bass is during chorus where random crap pops up. That could be lars's bass drum I guess, or it was just digitally added later.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Uhm. I would just like to say that you shouldn't talk anymore.[1]

Newsted wrote about 90% of the songs on Flotsam and Jetsam's first album by himself. That was the same year that he joined Metallica.[2]

He wrote the main riff to Blackened. Hence why he has writing credits.[3]

It's possible to hear bass on AJFA. I've heard it. It's there. Trust me.[4]

They turn the bass down anymore live and it will be inaudible. That's not good.[5]

Anything else I should address?[6][/QUOTE]
[1]quite justifiedly, fu[SIZE="3"]c[/SIZE]k off.
[2]....and...?
[3]i don't deny his writing credits... the bit that i wrote that you quoted actually states that i don't deny his musical ability...:rolleyes:
[4] you're hearing the bassyness of the guitar. the bass inaudible. trust [I]me.[/I]
[5]you're right there.
[6]your stupidity.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]What part of blackened do you exactly hear the bass guitar?



Same here. I have a decent speakers, and the only heard bass is during chorus where random crap pops up. That could be lars's bass drum I guess, or it was just digitally added later.[/QUOTE]
you are right there is no bass in there.

[QUOTE=Thor]I still can't hear it, even when I turn the bass way up on my speakers. It just sounds like really bassy guitar and I can't hear any sort of bass tone throughout.[/QUOTE]
you hear right. i can't possibly imagine why james/lars turned it all the way down, but they did.

It's hilarious that somebody is telling me that the bass guitar is inaudible, WHEN I HEAR IT. I AM A BASSIST. I HEAR THE BASS GUITAR.

Should I spell it out in crayon? Listen closely in To Live is To Die, or One. It's there. You have to listen for it.

oh no, caps lock. mate that wont help you. and neither will being a bassist, it wont give you extra ears or anything. i can hear fu[SIZE="3"]c[/SIZE]k all for bass guitar in it. same anyone else on this thread at the moment. i think you are hearing the extra bassy guitar pronounced at the beginning of notes by Lars' bass pedal.

EDIT - just listened to TLITD and One, and yes there is turned down bass. or at least i think so. hard to tell.the rest, however, have none. or at least justice/blackened/shortest straw don't.

[QUOTE=Rattlehead]oh no, caps lock. mate that wont help you. and neither will being a bassist, it wont give you extra ears or anything. i can hear fu[SIZE="3"]c[/SIZE]k all for bass guitar in it. same anyone else on this thread at the moment. i think you are hearing the extra bassy guitar pronounced at the beginning of notes by Lars' bass pedal.[/QUOTE]

Starting at 5:25 in To Live is To Die. Listen to the background. That's bass.

And yes, it does. My hearing has gotten a lot better since I started playing bass and listening for it.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Starting at 5:25 in To Live is To Die. Listen to the background. That's bass.
[/QUOTE]check my edit.

[QUOTE=Rattlehead]

just listened to TLITD and One, and yes there is turned down bass. or at least i think so. hard to tell.the rest, however, have none. or at least justice(1)/blackened(2)/shortest straw(3) don't.[/QUOTE]


1.The riff played at 6:25 right after the solo has audible bass, it has overdrive that's what makes it hard to hear.
2.Just listen the intro.
3.Like justice, the bass has some kind of overdrive or distorsion.

Like i said, the bass is only turned down, not eliminated.

I could never pick out the bass most the way through AJFA but I agree there are parts where it's audible.

It's audible in songs like TLITD and dyer's eve, but definetely not blackened. But who the hell knows what they did to it and why. :(

Wait who produced AJFA? The rasmussen guy?

I believe so. I think the production was the reason they got rid of him.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]It's audible in songs like TLITD and dyer's eve, but definetely not blackened. But who the hell knows what they did to it and why. :([/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]I could never pick out the bass most the way through AJFA but I agree there are parts where it's audible.[/QUOTE]

:confused: I hear a well defined bass channel in Blackened, and every other song on AJFA. Its sounds different from typical bass in other music but I don't think its particuarly bad, theres a charming old school feel to it.

Yeah, Rasmussen produced AJFA.

As for this bass issue, I can't hear any on Justice but Blackened and The Shortest Straw definately do.

Although, I had to tweak the eq quite a bit.

EDIT: I just had another listen to Justice, and I can hear some bass on there.

I haven't fully listened to Justice in a while, but the next time I do I'll listen closely to see if I can pick up any bass.

You would have to agree that it's mixed way too low though.

I agree its mixed low, but its there clear as a bell for me for every song. I used to not be able to pick it up i guess i've developed a good ear.

I think that I have a pretty good ear, but I just can't seem to find it, at least in most parts.

/still thinks they should re-master the album.

If they did then they would sell so many because people who already have the album would want to pick it up for the better mixing.

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[QUOTE=Thor]I think that I have a pretty good ear, but I just can't seem to find it, at least in most parts.

/still thinks they should re-master the album.

If they did then they would sell so many because people who already have the album would want to pick it up for the better mixing.[/QUOTE]

It's this kind of low throbbing bass i can't describe. Its definately there though i can recognise deep notes working around the guitars.

A remastering would be interesting. I love the old school feel to it though if they changed that it feel rather strange to listen to.

Well I'd like it if they used the same mixing they used on Master of Puppets. I thought they really got it right on there.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]1.The riff played at 6:25 right after the solo has audible bass, it has overdrive that's what makes it hard to hear.
2.Just listen the intro.
3.Like justice, the bass has some kind of overdrive or distorsion.

Like i said, the bass is only turned down, not eliminated.[/QUOTE]
[1]why would a bassist start halfway through a song!?!?
[2]all i hear is heavy guitar pronouced by floor toms and bass drums.
[3]no, again, i really think your a hearing the bassy guitar. hence the distortion.

[QUOTE=HazMan]It's this kind of low throbbing bass i can't describe. Its definately there though i can recognise deep notes working around the guitars.

A remastering would be interesting. I love the old school feel to it though if they changed that it feel rather strange to listen to.[/QUOTE]
i think the low throbbing bass and the distortion mentioned in my first quote all come from the fuzzy and grinding guitar, bassed up with pronouncing drum. there's "bass", and then there's the sound of a bass string. i don't hear the latter.

[QUOTE=Thor]Well I'd like it if they used the same mixing they used on Master of Puppets. I thought they really got it right on there.[/QUOTE]
na, i really like the sound in ajfa. would be interesting, though.

[QUOTE=Rattlehead]i think the low throbbing bass and the distortion mentioned in my first quote all come from the fuzzy and grinding guitar, bassed up with pronouncing drum. there's "bass", and then there's the sound of a bass string. i don't hear the latter.[/QUOTE]

I been debating that myself actually. I think it sounds good that way whatever it is gives the album a unique feel.

absolutely i love the sound on it, it owns. really quite unuique sound, it wouldn't be the same with proper bass

You're an idiot Rattlehead. Vashts is right, as usual.

Can't we just agree that some of us can hear the bass when others can't? :p

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids]You're an idiot Rattlehead. Vashts is right, as usual.[/QUOTE]
and that makes me an idiot...:rolleyes: i just can't hear the fookin' bass, allright?

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Can't we just agree that some of us can hear the bass when others can't? :p[/QUOTE]

it's a deal. well it better be, before i get called something worse for having an opinion ^o).

[url]http://www.jasonizer.com/justice.html[/url] If you have ever thought of what the songs would sound like with bass click on this link. A bass player named Lorike has redone the basslines and mixed them into the original score and it sounds great.

asides from that Iam a bass player and have being playing for 6 years and I've listened to this album over and over and yes in certain songs there are faint sounds of the bass. The only song where its near enough audioable is To Live Is To Die. Fast forward the song up to the 2nd solo around 5:30, You can quite easily hear the bass.

Yeah I've seen that site before. It's pretty neat.

[QUOTE=timmySmi]The only song where its near enough audioable is To Live Is To Die. Fast forward the song up to the 2nd solo around 5:30, You can quite easily hear the bass.[/QUOTE]

I don't quite understand though, i hear that exact frequency in almost every part of the album. If you can notice that part why not other bass parts on the album its quite clear to me though a little drowned out :confused:

[QUOTE=HazMan]I don't quite understand though, i hear that exact frequency in almost every part of the album. If you can notice that part why not other bass parts on the album its quite clear to me though a little drowned out :confused:[/QUOTE]

Its because the guitars are playing clean with high notes so its easier to pick up. Its harder to pick up when James is playing with distortion because

1: Jason plays tightly to James Rhythm
2. EQ on bass is very low

Its not just this song I can definetly hear faints sounds of bass on every song. But songs like One and DLITD where they are playing cleanly its alot easier & blatent to pick up. Trust me just listen!!!

Sometimes I have a hard time hearing bass. But once you get some EXP with playing bass it becomes easier to hear it all. I had a really hard time hearing the bass on A7X's City of Evil But now it jumps out and nails me everytime.


It is kinda hard to hear the bass when James uses distortion...but that's just the nature of Distortion and Bass EQ'ing