[QUOTE=I'm Charming]lol. Being 100% serious, I'd give an Arm & one of my legs to watch all the band members put through a meat grinder. That's a very pleasant thought.[/QUOTE]
i think it would be a better idea to put lars in there, then take the 3 other members and alter their brains back to musicalness and creativity, and get a good drummer:thumb:

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Talentless? Ahaha. Whatever you think of anyone, wishing their death is about the most pathetic thing in life you can do. They're successful because millions like their music. They didn't steal money.[/QUOTE]


Wishing death upon someone isn't pathetic.

Millions like Britteny Spears... That doesn't mean anything, besides millions are idiots.

I never said they stole money.

Talentless. Yes. Anyone who has played guitar for 6 months can their songs, the bass is ehh, vocals are bad and drumming is a ear ache.

[QUOTE=Whale and Wasp]i think it would be a better idea to put lars in there, then take the 3 other members and alter their brains back to musicalness and creativity, and get a good drummer:thumb:[/QUOTE]


Yeah. Lars would deserve it far more.

The others are just as bad though, since they go along with this and put up with it.

They're so far past their prime it's not even funny.

Quit while you're ahead, an idea they sorely lack.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Wishing death upon someone isn't pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Unless you're wishing death upon a killer or a murderer, yes it is pathetic.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Millions like Britteny Spears... That doesn't mean anything, besides millions are idiots.[/QUOTE]

Millions listen to Britney Spears because they like her music. What's your point?

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Talentless. Yes. Anyone who has played guitar for 6 months can their songs, the bass is ehh, vocals are bad and drumming is a ear ache.[/QUOTE]

So are you saying simple =/= untalented? Because if you are, You're Wrong.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Unless you're wishing death upon a killer or a murderer, yes it is pathetic.



Millions listen to Britney Spears because they like her music. What's your point?



So are you saying simple =/= untalented? Because if you are, You're Wrong.[/QUOTE]


We'll have to disagree on the first point.

My point being, making millions & being popular is NO reflection of any talent.

Not in all cases. In many though.

Of course popularity doesn't mean talent, but they're talented. Songwriting is harder than some might think. And being able to play their songs after 6 months of playing doesn't mean they're untalented in no way. Being able to play something and write something is completely different. Heck, give me a tab to a song and I can learn just about any song no matter how long it takes. That doesn't mean the musicians who made it are talentless.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal] Being able to play something and write something is completely different.[/QUOTE]


I think we can leave it at this. I agree 120% on that. Any band or genre.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]
So are you saying simple =/= untalented? Because if you are, You're Wrong.[/QUOTE]
Wait woudn't saying that make him right? :p
Simple does not equal untalented

oi charming, why the hell are you posting in this thread if you hate metallica?
stop bitching about them and leave if you don't have something good to say

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]No. I don't.

Talentless[1], arrogant,[2] worthless[3], greedy[4] as hell people sicken me[5].[/QUOTE]
[1] they blatently are not talentless, as their songs represent an ability to compose songs of structure and musical harmony. and anyone having heard Call of Ktulu will know, whether they like it or not for taste, that it is a fine musical accomplishment.
[2] find a metal band of their era who weren't arrogant on some level. and besides, they aren't particularly arrogant. just they are in the spotlight, and so people who don't like their music are bound to focus on their bad sides. im sure you, charming, are more arrogant than all of them.
[3] well no. they have earned a mound of money through skill, and nomatter how much you object to the fact that this mioney was justly earned, they earned it, and therefore are not worthless. they have alot of money spent on their goods, aswell.
[4] why? how? maybe lars wanted to put a stop to the stealing of the bands albums, because it was unjust and he had every right to.
[5] explain.


[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Of course popularity doesn't mean talent, but they're talented. Songwriting is harder than some might think. And being able to play their songs after 6 months of playing doesn't mean they're untalented in no way. Being able to play something and write something is completely different. Heck, give me a tab to a song and I can learn just about any song no matter how long it takes. That doesn't mean the musicians who made it are talentless.[/QUOTE]
well said:)

[QUOTE=Captain Quentin]oi charming, why the hell are you posting in this thread if you hate metallica?
stop bitching about them and leave if you don't have something good to say[/QUOTE]
its for the disscussion of metallica, not the praising and loving of metallica. allthough, he doesn't seem to have anything useful to say.

Lars is greedy. Napster, okay he was justified there, but come on, sueing a Swedish metal industry because their site's called Metallica is pathetic.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Unless you're wishing death upon a killer or a murderer, yes it is pathetic.[/QUOTE]
not reaaaally :/ I don't see how strongly hoping someone will die is pathetic at all.

you gotta have hopes, man.

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Lars is greedy. Napster, okay he was justified there, but come on, sueing a Swedish metal industry because their site's called Metallica is pathetic.[/QUOTE]
i hadn't heard of that, and now i have i admit if there's a greedy metallica member its lars, but they aren't significantly greedy as a band.


and flower dance, unlucky about that lame bastard pennywhistle bloke! cant believe he made a thread just to rip the piss.

[I]According to Ulrich, Metallica have "six to seven" new songs completed without vocals and have gone back to the old approach of Lars and guitarist/vocalist James Hetfield sifting through riff tapes the band have recorded on hours of jam sessions from the last world tour[/I]

Taken from Ultmate-Guitar website

That kinda sound promising.

Rattlehead - I don't mind Pennywhistle :)

NP: Enter Sandman (S&M)

:D.

does anyone know when theyre new album is coming out?

Later this year hopefully.

I think it would be out Summer 2007 or August in this year. These a totally random predictions.

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Rattlehead - I don't mind Pennywhistle :)[/QUOTE]
you must be a bloody tolerant guy then! lol.
im enternatman by the way, incase you didnt see under my name.
and yeah i heard its later this year for the new album.

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Wait woudn't saying that make him right? :p
Simple does not equal untalented[/QUOTE]

Yea I noticed that after I wrote it. :p

Anyone seen this:
[url]http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=51077[/url]

Is lars just talking junk again or could it be true:
"METALLICA's Lars Ulrich has exclusively revealed to Kerrang! magazine that the band's new material has an "old-school" METALLICA flavor."

Lars is talking junk again my friend, Prior to St Anger they where hyping it up to be going back to old school and all we got was just a CD with over an hours worth of mindless, bad production, uninspired crap. How long are they going to keep this up for exactly by the time we get to the year 2020 they are going to offically stat that as the return to old school. Iam sick of these promises I would seriously rather have it back in the Load,Reload days. After just hearing Mr Ulrich will be suing a Swedish metal industry for simple using the name Metallica which by no means reflects the band what so ever, I've come to the conclusion this band has simply gone too far down the road. The moment Cliff dropped the band were doomed he was the soul of the band. Fair play to Jason who had to step into his boots, not alot of bassists at the time could have done that aswell as take constant hazing from the band. Not even him could save them and I bet now he's just sitting back and thinking thank god I got out when I did. (I do appreciate good critizism but do keep in mind this is souley my opinion)

[QUOTE=timmySmi]Lars is talking junk again my friend, Prior to St Anger they where hyping it up to be going back to old school and all we got was just a CD with over an hours worth of mindless, bad production, uninspired crap. How long are they going to keep this up for exactly by the time we get to the year 2020 they are going to offically stat that as the return to old school. Iam sick of these promises I would seriously rather have it back in the Load,Reload days. After just hearing Mr Ulrich will be suing a Swedish metal industry for simple using the name Metallica which by no means reflects the band what so ever, I've come to the conclusion this band has simply gone too far down the road. The moment Cliff dropped the band were doomed he was the soul of the band. Fair play to Jason who had to step into his boots, not alot of bassists at the time could have done that aswell as take constant hazing from the band. Not even him could save them and I bet now he's just sitting back and thinking thank god I got out when I did. (I do appreciate good critizism but do keep in mind this is souley my opinion)[/QUOTE]


Good to see someone with common sense in this thread, who isn't blinded by their fanboyism.

well, St. Anger took Metallica back to their Thrash roots, sure it was crap but it was still thrash.

I think they aren't recording another St. Anger, even Metallica knows that the album was really bad.

Also, Cliff wasn't the soul of the band, AJFA is imo better than KEA and MOP and it was Burton-less.(except for TLITD but only lyrics)

I agree with you. ...AJFA has Metallica's best work, though some people say it bores them. That CD I've been rockin' for like 4 years and I still don't get tired of it.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Good to see someone with common sense in this thread, who isn't blinded by their fanboyism.[/QUOTE]

try looking Flower Dance, Butcher, Six Foot Revolver, Riva and Kyle's posts.

[QUOTE=timmySmi]Lars is talking junk again my friend, Prior to St Anger they where hyping it up to be going back to old school and all we got was just a CD with over an hours worth of mindless, bad production, uninspired crap. How long are they going to keep this up for exactly by the time we get to the year 2020 they are going to offically stat that as the return to old school. Iam sick of these promises I would seriously rather have it back in the Load,Reload days. After just hearing Mr Ulrich will be suing a Swedish metal industry for simple using the name Metallica which by no means reflects the band what so ever, I've come to the conclusion this band has simply gone too far down the road. The moment Cliff dropped the band were doomed he was the soul of the band. Fair play to Jason who had to step into his boots, not alot of bassists at the time could have done that aswell as take constant hazing from the band. Not even him could save them and I bet now he's just sitting back and thinking thank god I got out when I did. (I do appreciate good critizism but do keep in mind this is souley my opinion)[/QUOTE]

Lars is always talking out of his a[COLOR="White"]s[/COLOR]s. The band will never ever be the same. While they did show a few roots in the last album, I guarentee you it will never be like it used to be. As much as I would love it to be as amazing as the old stuff was, it won't be. Period.

I also hope Rick Rubin knows what sounds good. Bob Rock needed to say "Lars you sound awful" and "Guys your guitars sound less than garage quality."

[QUOTE]try looking Flower Dance, Butcher, Six Foot Revolver, Riva and Kyle's posts.[/QUOTE]

all great posters

Yea I wasn't a metallica fan when st. anger came out. I've only been listening to their music for like 2 years or so. In fact, when st. anger was coming out, I was listening to hip hop and good charlotte. So I really have no idea whether they hyped it up to be as return of thrash or whatever.

I think u guys r both wrong....u sometimes can't expect a band to write amazing stuff after 7 studioe albums and rehab...even though i do like some fo the riffs off "..Anger." Bottom line 'tallica sounds better live than most bands their age and older....and still kick some serious a** live...if the new album is half decent it'll be better than most crap these days....period! ROCK ON!!!!!

I'm not wrong. :smash: Actually no one is wrong, music is subjective.

But bands like Iron Maiden who have been making more albums and have been playing longer still haven't lost their touch. Metallica shouldn't either, but they're changing too much and every change is very different, and most people prefer their older music. It was just better. I just want them to release a good heavy metal album, doesn't have to be thrash, just add kick as[I]s[/I] riffs, a couple good solos, and decent drum sounds and it should be good. No idea what rob will add though, we'll see, but I dont think he'll make a big effect on metallica as Cliff did.

That's how I feel. Though I'd be super jazzed if they put forth a good old school thrash album, but I'd be really pleased with a good standard heavy metal album too.

exactly my thoughts. a thrash album would be released in a dream, to be realistic. and another like the Black Album, for me, would be a brilliant improvement on Anger. and its not to far-fetched either. i hope we dont get another like Anger.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal] No idea what rob will add though, we'll see, but I dont think he'll make a big effect on metallica as Cliff did.[/QUOTE]Ahhh man, that's totally the wrong way to look at it. Why must Rob be in competition with Cliff, those are clearly not his intentions, all he wants to do is play his bass and make some great music. Sure it's a big space to fill, but hes neccesarilly trying to fill it, Rob can add a sound to Metallica that they have never had.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]I'm not wrong. :smash: Actually no one is wrong, music is subjective.

But bands like Iron Maiden who have been making more albums and have been playing longer still haven't lost their touch. Metallica shouldn't either, but they're changing too much and every change is very different, and most people prefer their older music. It was just better. I just want them to release a good heavy metal album, doesn't have to be thrash, just add kick as[I]s[/I] riffs, a couple good solos, and decent drum sounds and it should be good. No idea what rob will add though, we'll see, but I dont think he'll make a big effect on metallica as Cliff did.[/QUOTE]
when maiden tried to change direction, it nearly killed the band, as Adrian left, then Bruce. fortunately, that change gave them a massive kick up the a$s, so maybe the way St. Anger was recieved by fans will have hinted to 'tallica that the fans liked the way their music was before.
i know a lot of people don't like Load/Reload, but IMO there's some awesome tracks on those albums, such as Prince Charming, Outlaw Torn, Unforgiven II, Aint My Bitch, so personally i'd be happy if they just went back to that style.

I too would settle for just a regular metal album. As long as it isn't the mundane s'hit a la St Anger

I used to be a massive 'Tallica fan back in 2003/2004 when I was about 13 but even now, I still can't get on with Metallica's really early work. I'd love to see a more Black Album/Load oriented album next, possibly with some almost S7M style classical/orchestral bits.

That would be rather cool but on the whole, Metallica 91 - 97 = My fave Metallica.

i love all metallica. Load onwards, less so. i LOVE their thrash. it is venerable.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]
Also, Cliff wasn't the soul of the band, AJFA is imo better than KEA and MOP and it was Burton-less.(except for TLITD but only lyrics)[/QUOTE]

Sorry I have to disagree with that of course Cliff was, He was the must educated and musical minded person in the band. With his years of piano playing and following of classical music he brought an epic vibe into the band thats why we got classics like Ktulu, Orion, Fade To Black, Master Of Puppets. AJFA is a very bad album, bad production and very complacent I get bored of listening to it quickly. One is the ownly epic, classical song they've managed to do without Cliff Burton and I'd find it intresting to see what comes out this new album.

this is absolutely true, but Cliff was still not the singular soul of the band. but yes, Cliff definately gave a vibe. AJFA while not being better than KEA or MOP, or, for that matter, RTL, it was still a great album IMO. i really enjoyed it and still do. the riffs are grinding and raw, i really like it. and i love the sound of Lars' Bass pedal. in songs like Eye of the Beholder. I really dont mind that there is no bass in it. in fact, with a bassist the whole unique feel to AJFA would go.

and sorry, but how is it complacent? and there's nothing wrong with the production.:confused:

Who was Metallica's sould after Cliff's death? The only person I think it could've been is James.