[QUOTE=jpjrulestheworld]Have any of you seen Creedance Clearwater Revisited? They're coming here, and I don't know whether I should try to go to that or Deep Purple.[/QUOTE]
deep purple. without fogerty it's not ccr

[QUOTE=Livewired]Well guys, I think I'm going to officially retire from being a regular. You might see me from time to time but besides that no. I noticed there is a new wave of regulars coming in so they can replace me. Ha, I guess I'm gonna kinda miss this thread so keep it running strong. MX has just got to repetitive so I'm gonna take a long break from it. Thanks for helping my expand my mind of music.:lol:


Peace.:wave:[/QUOTE]

we'll miss u... do drop in from time to time like i do!

What is everybodys defenition of a jam band then. I'm just wondering because well I guess my veiw on it is wrong. I see it as a band that works so well together instrumentally then can break out into an instrumental solo for god knows how long, and know when the other members are going to do somthing different just by the expression on their face.

Thats what I say, maybe I'm using the term too loosly.

Improvisation is not exactly the only major focus. It is influence that makes a Jam Band, along with free form improvisation. Though those two properties are the most needed; They are not only important. Emphasis on live events and generally being opened minded are huge.

And being that some of the properties I listed are not completely relevant to music, "Jam Band" is much more of a cult than a genre.

Yes it is hard to explain.

[QUOTE]Well guys, I think I'm going to officially retire from being a regular. You might see me from time to time but besides that no. I noticed there is a new wave of regulars coming in so they can replace me. Ha, I guess I'm gonna kinda miss this thread so keep it running strong. MX has just got to repetitive so I'm gonna take a long break from it. Thanks for helping my expand my mind of music.


Peace.[/QUOTE]

WFT!? Stay, foo'!! :angry:

:upset:

[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]What is everybodys defenition of a jam band then. I'm just wondering because well I guess my veiw on it is wrong. I see it as a band that works so well together instrumentally then can break out into an instrumental solo for god knows how long, and know when the other members are going to do somthing different just by the expression on their face.

Thats what I say, maybe I'm using the term too loosly.[/QUOTE]

i define it as bands like the grateful dead, the allman brothers, robert randolph, etc. i dunno, lots or artists (cream sticks out in particular) jam a lot but aren't jam bands...

Badmoon can you post the Truckin' from Europe '72 when you have time?

[QUOTE=Livewired]Well guys, I think I'm going to officially retire from being a regular. You might see me from time to time but besides that no. I noticed there is a new wave of regulars coming in so they can replace me. Ha, I guess I'm gonna kinda miss this thread so keep it running strong. MX has just got to repetitive so I'm gonna take a long break from it. Thanks for helping my expand my mind of music.:lol:


Peace.:wave:[/QUOTE]
But, but....you're my favorite Canadian :(

Yes, I also have to post some Gram Parsons songs. I'll try to post one of those also.

And have you heard Europe '72?

what do you guys think of classic prog rock
ie:
King Crimson
The Moody Blues
Jethro Tull
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Yes
Rush
etc.

also is Asia really prog rock? despite the line up, i don't think they were ever very progressive.
And would you consider ELO to be prog rock due to their classical influence?

[QUOTE=Badmoon]And have you heard Europe '72?[/QUOTE]

Nope... I want it though.

[QUOTE=B0nz0]i define it as bands like the grateful dead, the allman brothers, robert randolph, etc. i dunno, lots or artists (cream sticks out in particular) jam a lot but aren't jam bands...[/QUOTE]

I guess thats true.

Can sombody recommend me some music thats really out there. Like A Saucerful of Secrets kind of out there.

[QUOTE=wanton]Nope... I want it though.[/QUOTE]

Check out [url]www.XSAO.net[/url] (In the oldies/Grateful Dead section) AKA "The site".

[url]http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2VNBQB4WQXWL13RKY53MRXEOOT[/url]

^^^Gov't Mule-Larger than life from October 30, 2004 at the Byham Theatre, for anyone that cares.

[QUOTE]Can sombody recommend me some music thats really out there. Like A Saucerful of Secrets kind of out there.[/QUOTE]

Dr. John - Gris-gris

One of my favorites.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Dr. John - Gris-gris

One of my favorites.[/QUOTE]

Thanks man, yea I've been getting into really out there music. I mean there are so many things you can do with an instrument and I love bands that just try to find everything you can do with it.

[QUOTE=B0nz0]what do you guys think of classic prog rock
ie:
King Crimson
The Moody Blues
Jethro Tull
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Yes
Rush
etc.

also is Asia really prog rock? despite the line up, i don't think they were ever very progressive.
And would you consider ELO to be prog rock due to their classical influence?[/QUOTE]
ELO is definately prog. But when you mentioned Asia, I shuddered.

[QUOTE=Woodstock]ELO is definately prog. But when you mentioned Asia, I shuddered.[/QUOTE]
I would say they are more orchestral...I dunno I wouldn't call them prog...they're music isn't anything like those other bands, and I pretty much hate any type of prog, I love ELO though. "Fire on High" is one of their instrumentals...it's not very prog-ish though.

Meh, I hate Asia.

And yeah, ELO is progressive rock.

I own a lot of ELO and I'm not seeing how they are progressive, can someone tell me what progressive is I must have a wrong definition.

Progressive rock ("prog") is an ambitious, eclectic, and often grandiose style of rock music which arose in the late 1960s principally in England, reaching the peak of its popularity in the early 1970s, but continuing as a musical form to this day. Progressive rock was largely a European movement, and drew most of its influences from classical music and jazz fusion, in contrast to American rock, which was influenced by rhythm & blues and country, although there are notable exceptions in the New World such as Kansas and Rush — considered by many to be the finest examples of the form. Over the years various sub-genres of progressive rock have emerged, such as symphonic rock, art rock and progressive metal.

Progressive rock artists sought to move away from the limitations of radio formatted rock and pop, and "progress" rock to the point that it could achieve the sophistication of jazz or classical music. It is admired by its fans for its complexity, requiring a high level of musical virtuosity to perform. Critics have often derided the genre as pompous and self-indulgent. This is because, unlike such stylistically consistent genres as country or hip hop, progressive rock is difficult to define in a single conclusive way. Outspoken King Crimson leader Robert Fripp has voiced his disdain for the term. The major acts that defined the genre in the 1970s (Yes, Genesis, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Rush and King Crimson) do not sound alike. There is also debate on whether bands such as The Beatles, Phish, and Radiohead belong to the genre.

Some common, though not universal, elements of progressive rock include:

* Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp. These are often described as epics and are the genre's clearest nod to classical music. An early example is the 23-minute "Echoes" by Pink Floyd. Other famous examples include Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" (43 minutes), Yes' "Close to the Edge" (18 minutes) and Genesis' "Supper's Ready" (23 minutes). More recent extreme examples are the 60-minute "Light of Day, Day of Darkness" by Green Carnation and "Garden of Dreams" by The Flower Kings.
* Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives, covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion, war, love, and madness. Many early 1970s progressive rock bands (especially German ones) featured lyrics concerned with left-wing politics and social issues.
* Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play. In the days of vinyl, these were usually two-record sets with strikingly designed gatefold sleeves. Famous examples include The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis, Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes, 2112 by Rush, Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall by Pink Floyd, and the more recent Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater and Snow by Spock's Beard. Aqualung, perhaps the best-known record by Jethro Tull, is often regarded as a concept album due to its recurring themes, but songwriter Ian Anderson has always claimed that the album is just "a bunch of songs".
* Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies. See Magma, Robert Wyatt, and Gentle Giant.
* Prominent use of electronic instrumentation — particularly keyboard instruments such as the organ, piano, Mellotron, and Moog synthesizer, in addition to the usual rock combination of electric guitar, bass and drums.
* Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings. Many pieces use multiple time signatures and/or tempi, sometimes concurrently. Solo passages for virtually every instrument, designed to showcase the virtuosity of the player. This is the sort of thing that contributed to the fame of such performers as keyboardist Rick Wakeman and drummer Neil Peart.
* Inclusion of classical pieces on albums. For example, Yes start their concerts with a taped extract of Stravinsky's Firebird suite, and Emerson Lake and Palmer have performed arrangements of pieces by Copland, Bartók, Moussorgsky, Prokofiev, Janacek, Alberto Ginastera, and often feature quotes from J. S. Bach in lead breaks. Jethro Tull recorded a famous cover of J. S. Bach's "Bouree", in which they turned the classical piece into a "sleazy jazzy night-club song", according to Ian Anderson. Marillion started concerts with Rossini's La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie). Symphony X has included parts by, or inspired by, Beethoven, Holst and Mozart.
* An aesthetic linking the music with visual art, a trend started by The Beatles with Sgt. Pepper's and enthusiastically embraced during the prog heyday. Some bands became as well-known for the art direction of their albums as for their sound, with the "look" integrated into the band's overall musical identity. This led to fame for particular artists and design studios, most notably Roger Dean, whose paintings and logo design for Yes are so essential to the band's identity they could be said to serve the same function as corporate branding. Hipgnosis became equally famous for their unusual sleeves for Pink Floyd, often featuring experimental photography quite innovative for the time (two men shaking hands, one of whom is in flames, on the cover of Wish You Were Here). H.R. Giger's painting for Emerson Lake and Palmer's Brain Salad Surgery is one of the most famous album sleeves ever produced.



Progressive rock compositions sometimes take the following forms:

* A piece that is subdivided into movements in the manner of a classical suite. Examples are the four-part "Close to the Edge" by Yes, six-part "Hemispheres" by Rush, and the seven-part "A Change of Seasons" by Dream Theater. All of TransAtlantic's epics are multipart.
* A piece that is composed of a patchwork of musical themes that could conceivably stand as individual songs, but together serve to relate a complete narrative through music. Examples are "Supper's Ready" on Genesis' Foxtrot (the "Willow Farm" section of which was played as a single), "A Day in the Life" on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by The Beatles, Jethro Tull's Aqualung from the album of the same name, and "The Gates of Delirium" on Yes's album Relayer (from which the single "Soon" was taken).
* A piece that allows the development of musical ideas via progressions or variations in the manner of a bolero or a canon. "King Kong" on Frank Zappa's Uncle Meat is an example.


this was taken from [url]www.progarchives.com[/url]

Gram Parsons (Not the exact song I wanted to post, but good none the less)

[url]http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0DRQSRRGT33TQ2AD4IM64HWTLK[/url]


Europe '72 "Truckin'"

[url]http://s16.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=36BUXG5Q0F8WV3F2YCQI3WEX36[/url]

The Beatles, Phish, and Radiohead definitely aren't progressive rock IMO, I don't tend to think Pink Floyd is either but I dunno. I'm sticking to my obdurate opinion that ELO isn't prog.


EDIT: Thanks Bonzo for that.

I don't think the linking of art(photography) really defines to prog., so I don't think The Beatles fit well.

A lot of bands put out progressive rock songs, but its only because they play many different styles of music. I mean Pink Floyd has progressivish songs, but not enough to be a progressive rock band.

What does everybody in here think of Syd Barretts solo career. I mean it has its flaws, but it also has great tracks like Dominoes.

I am not a fan of Syd Barrett. There are one or two songs of his I do like though :)

I like him because his lyrics (and instrumentals in the Floyd days) almost provide a different place you can go where everything is more simple. His songs provide a great escape for me.

I chuckle at myself because I can't even tell you how many members there are in Pink Floyd, I'll give it a shot: David Gilmour, Syd Barret, and :( There's 3 right :\ ?

I'm like 5,000,000,000% ignorant to Pink Floyd...I always tell myself I'm gonna check them out and never do. Only songs I've heard are Another Brick in the Wall Part 2, Money, and Comfortably Numb.

EDIT: I kinda knew Roger Waters too, I jsut forgot him. :amaze:

[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]A lot of bands put out progressive rock songs, but its only because they play many different styles of music. I mean Pink Floyd has progressivish songs, but not enough to be a progressive rock band.[/QUOTE]
i would definitely call pink floyd prog. the entire animals album, shine on you crazy diamond, echoes, those are definite prog. not to mention the wall and dark side of the moon. two concept albums.

pink floyd is prog rock.