Wait how can you say everything Opeth does blends perfectly and then agree that Mikael's growling is out of place?

[QUOTE=Otherside]Wait how can you say everything Opeth does blends perfectly and then agree that Mikael's growling is out of place?[/QUOTE]


I didn't say that.

I agreed their very talented.

His growls aren't out of place.

I can listen to Opeth, but the growls do get me, and yeah I don't admire them that much. I find much more emotion comes outwhen he is just singing clean, I could listen to theat stuff constantly, but when the growls come in it just puts me off. I can listen to Slayer and love Tom Araya's voice, or Arch Enemy and love Angela Gossow's/Johan Liiva's voice, but when it comes to progressive long songs, I find they are best suited to a more calming sort of atmospheric style. Which is why I love Tool.

[QUOTE=taylormemer]I can listen to Opeth, but the growls do get me, and yeah I don't admire them that much. I find much more emotion comes outwhen he is just singing clean, I could listen to theat stuff constantly, but when the growls come in it just puts me off. I can listen to Slayer and love Tom Araya's voice, or Arch Enemy and love Angela Gossow's/Johan Liiva's voice, but when it comes to progressive long songs, I find they are best suited to a more calming sort of atmospheric style. Which is why I love Tool.[/QUOTE]


Tell me the growls don't add to Bleak or Harvest?

To me they don't. I'm sorry.

Opiate - GLE
Undertow - 4 Degrees
Ænima - 46&2 or Eulogy
Lateralus - Lateralus+Disposition+Reflection (They all segue into each other, so I can get away with this)
10,000 Days - Rosetta Stoned

Opiate- "Opiate"
Undertow-"Prison Sex"
Ænima- "Eulogy"
Lateralus- "The Grudge"
10,000 Days- "Vicarious"

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Tell me the growls don't add to Bleak or Harvest?[/QUOTE]
What I love about Opeth is when there is singing it is that much more powerful, since it isn't expected all the time.

Opiate: Opiate
Undertow: Sober
Aenima: Third Eye
Salival: Push[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t
Lateralus: Reflection
10,000 Days: 10,000 Days (Wings pt.2)

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Black Metal growls cheesy? lawl @ you
Everything Opeth does blends perfectly.
/end



I agree on Opeth.

Could you point out some Death Metal bands that wear make up please?
I sure can't think of any.
Growling isn't to make Death Metal sound "hardcore'. I have no idea where you get that. It's part of the sound.

Black Metal wise- Yes some of the guys wore Corpse Paint. It isn't to seem "hardcore". Please...
The growls & screams are a important part of BM. Can you picture BM with clear vocals only?
Same with DM.

I'm not going to argue BM & DM Vs *insert genre here* but the growls and screams are a central part.[/QUOTE]

I am obviously not a fan of the genre(s) altogether. I have tried to get into it by listening to some of the more unique growling bands, such as Meshuggah, but I just can't take it seriously. To me it sounds ridiculous. And thats my major gripe about its place in Opeth. They are a mature, talented and accomplished band (just listen to Damnation), its completely unnecessary and out of place. Obviously someone who enjoys the harder stuff will see growling as a welcome addition. Im just not one of them.

Oh yeh back on topic

Opiate - Part of Me
Undertow - Undertow
Aenima - H.
Lateralus - Lateralus
10 000 Days - Vicarious

Opiate - Hush
Undertow - Undertow
Aenima - 46&2
Lateralus - Reflection
10.000 Days - 10.000 Days (wings pt. 2)

[QUOTE=borisdablade]I am obviously not a fan of the genre(s) altogether. I have tried to get into it by listening to some of the more unique growling bands, such as Meshuggah, but I just can't take it seriously. To me it sounds ridiculous. And thats my major gripe about its place in Opeth. They are a mature, talented and accomplished band (just listen to Damnation), its completely unnecessary and out of place. Obviously someone who enjoys the harder stuff will see growling as a welcome addition. Im just not one of them.[/QUOTE]

I don't like growling much too, but it grew on me when i started to listen to Opeth. It fits perfectly and as well as others, who already answered, posted, i couldn't imagine the music without it.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]I didn't say that.

I agreed their very talented.

His growls aren't out of place.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]Opeth are an incredibly mature and talented band, the growling is completely out of place imho.[/QUOTE]

You quoted that and said I agree on Opeth... I'm just trying to understand what you meant

:confused:

[QUOTE=Otherside]You quoted that and said I agree on Opeth... I'm just trying to understand what you meant

:confused:[/QUOTE]

He was refering to the top bit of the post, but wasn't clear at all about it.

[i]NP: At the Drive-In - 198d[/i]

[QUOTE=borisdablade]I am obviously not a fan of the genre(s) altogether. I have tried to get into it by listening to some of the more unique growling bands, such as Meshuggah, but I just can't take it seriously. To me it sounds ridiculous. And thats my major gripe about its place in Opeth. They are a mature, talented and accomplished band (just listen to Damnation), its completely unnecessary and out of place. Obviously someone who enjoys the harder stuff will see growling as a welcome addition. Im just not one of them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I am with you on that.

[QUOTE=taylormemer]Yeah, I am with you on that.[/QUOTE]

I never used to like growling either until about a year ago, it's a shame though, you're missing out on some amazng bands.

will you guys stfu about Opeth and growling. This is a damn TOoL thread

[QUOTE=Kurrpt]will you guys stfu about Opeth and growling. This is a damn TOoL thread[/QUOTE]

So Maynard's screaming is pretty cool in Ticks and Leeches. What do you guys reckon Mikael would do to that song if they covered it?

[i]NP: Ticks and leeches.[/i]

[QUOTE=Shadius]So Maynard's screaming is pretty cool in Ticks and Leeches. What do you guys reckon Mikael would do to that song if they covered it?[/QUOTE]



i've never heard Maynard sing it live. I have the impression the screaming would have a totally different feel to it

I had/have this one live version of T&L actually, it dosn't sound quite like the studio version... very hard song to pull off.

i would imagine that it sounds different every stop they are on. If you really pay attension to the studio release, its obvious that theres some processing going on there.

I've seen the same live version, and I think Maynard has to use more distortion in it. He was not trying to blow his vocals again.. lol.

This is the way I see it (opinions may vary). Let's take The Grudge for example. Right in the middle of that bad boy was a 26 second (actual recorded time may vary) scream that could shatter someone's soul if you are listening too closely. Now, compare that to a growl performed by...hmmm...let's say [insert death/black metal band here] growls. Which one brings about more emotion..?

Either way, I'm not a huge fan of heavy growling. Sure, some growling could work for a song, yet when it's used throughout an entire album I end up wanting to burn the thing..

I've always wondered about the fans of black & death metal. I mean, these kids have to be working out some serious demons, man....and it makes me fearful for the "children of tomorrow".. lol.

[QUOTE=Esoteric_Creator]I've seen the same live version, and I think Maynard has to use more distortion in it. He was not trying to blow his vocals again.. lol.

This is the way I see it (opinions may vary). Let's take The Grudge for example. Right in the middle of that bad boy was a 26 second (actual recorded time may vary) scream that could shatter someone's soul if you are listening too closely. Now, compare that to a growl performed by...hmmm...let's say [insert death/black metal band here] growls. Which one brings about more emotion..?

Either way, I'm not a huge fan of heavy growling. Sure, some growling could work for a song, yet when it's used throughout an entire album I end up wanting to burn the thing..

I've always wondered about the fans of black & death metal. I mean, these kids have to be working out some serious demons, man....and it makes me fearful for the "children of tomorrow".. lol.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes I find growling relaxing, especially in music like Opeth's. Anyway, mostly I find some good growling about as anger inducing as some angry singing.

Growling can be limiting though, there's less emotions you can enduce via growling than through singing, though growling can bring in some whole new colours to work with in the sonic palette. Ticks and Leeches wouldn't be the same without that screaming, for example.

[QUOTE=Shadius]Sometimes I find growling relaxing, especially in music like Opeth's. Anyway, mostly I find some good growling about as anger inducing as some angry singing.

Growling can be limiting though, there's less emotions you can enduce via growling than through singing, though growling can bring in some whole new colours to work with in the sonic palette. Ticks and Leeches wouldn't be the same without that screaming, for example.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you there. If the screaming wasn't on T&L it definately wouldn't be the same. I stick to my guns as far as if the song calls for growling, then by all means use it. Just don't make an entire cd full of it..

It's odd how, at times, the most sober moment in music tends to be the most powerful one. Take WfM/10,000days for example. "Shake your fists at the gates saying/ I have come home now!/Fetch me the spirit, the son, and the father/ tell them their pillar of faith has ascended/ It's time now!/ My time now!/ Give me my!/ Give me my/ Wings!" F u c king gorgeous.. lol.

[Random mention]
There's a quote in Revolver magazine that Tool did an interview with recently where Adam says, "I talk to people from other bands, and they'll say, 'Your sound is so huge! How do you get that?' And then I hear their stuff, and the vocals are way out front and the band's in the back, and that just makes the band sound little. It's a fine line. Maynard is an instrument, but you have to hear what he's saying, as well."

I really wish Adam Jones would try something new, maybe get out of drop D for a little while or something, I don't know. I did like the talk box solo in Jambi, but I kept hearing that this album was supposed to be a lot heavier and that he was going to be doing new things. The album is not nearly as heavy as Lateralus and he really isn't doing anything special. I'm sure it will grow on me, but I don't think I will ever like it as much as Lateralus.

ok...

Adam should do those 7 string sweeps that made him famous. ;)

and 8 finger tapping patterns.

no, he sucks from a technical stand point, but really he wasnt about that. His use effects/off the wall sounds is uncanny, and unmatched

His song structure and changes are great too. That's actually what I think his strongest asset is.