I agree with the first part, but the second part not so much

Elaborate.

I don't believe that affirmative action is ever the correct course of action, because it pretty much begs to get abused. And unless the way it is handled is changed, it also cultivates a society of people who go "oh, well I don't have to try AS hard because I have a leg up"

Affirmative action is retarded.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;17345170]How is throwing money at them going to help? They needed to be properly integrated into society and they weren't and still haven't been completely. Giving them money isn't going to solve anything.[/QUOTE]
You're racist. I'm sorry.

How am I racist?

Do you not get how ignorant you sound?

His core idea is right though. no group of people should have money thrown at them, should they?

I don't really think it should be as simple as throwing money at them but I do think we should spend a lot of money and effort to help out minorities in this country who have suffered horribly.

I didn't say anything ignorant. If you think blacks ever were or are currently properly integrated into our society then [I]you[/I] are the one who is ignorant because they are clearly not.

[QUOTE=flesh;17345215]I don't really think it should be as simple as throwing money at them but I do think we should spend a lot of money and effort to help out minorities in this country who have suffered horribly.[/QUOTE]

which would have been right years ago, but currently it would do nothing but create huge racial/civil unrest

[QUOTE=flesh;17345215]I don't really think it should be as simple as throwing money at them but I do think we should spend a lot of money and effort to help out minorities in this country who have suffered horribly.[/QUOTE]

If you think giving them money is a good idea then you really are an idiot. Giving people a large sum of money who don't normally have a lot of money will largely waste it I guarantee you.

EDIT: your view is obviously very simplistic.

It still is right. African Americans are confined into ghettos for the most part where the youth have little hope/opportunity and tons of barriers. It doesn't help that the schools they attend are pretty much nothing but day care centers. All these problems stem from slavery and its never too late to fix things instead of just looking the other way.

I never said we should look the other way.

I think it's even more racist to shell out money to african americans. Like the notion is made out of pity; oh, your ancestors suffered hundreds of years-- take this money and shut up.

Reverse racism doesn't solve shiiiiiiiit.

Have you guys heard the new circle takes the square?

no BUT THERE IS A NEW PARAMORE SONG OMG

theres new ctts?? i must hear now

I didn't really expect white people to comprehend this subject matter.

Man, Martin I used to be one of five white kids on a bus of 70 and I'm telling you while yes, there are many barriers to overcoming the ghetto, I've personally seen many situations where kids were given a chance and it was blown, however, I've seen people make something out of that chance, but regardless reparations as commonly viewed by mainstream society is ****ed. I believe that with forward thinking and the proper funding towards education that this problem can be solved without blindly handing out money.

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17345412]Have you guys heard the new circle takes the square?[/QUOTE]

Must hear must hear.

flesh in this thread "WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby;4344242]Ah, the first of the ignorant. *draws sword*[/QUOTE]

Don't feed the trolls.

did you really make a witty comment on a post on the first page of a thread that's like 5 years old by a poster who is no longer even a member of this site?

if you ever use the term 'reverse racism' seriously, you're an idiot. nobody wants to just send black people a check, that's stupid and a bit patronizing (agreeing with whoever said that even though I think it was reverse racism guy).

[QUOTE=flesh;17345529]I didn't really expect white people to comprehend this subject matter.[/QUOTE]

You're such a ****ing tool.

[QUOTE=iamtherobots;17346169]You're such a ****ing tool.[/QUOTE]

Backed.

affirmative action is a realistic tool that I think she be utilized to attempt to shrink the socio-economic racial gap. I prefer more "soft" tools of reparation like affirmative action than "hard" incentives like money, or whatever. i would still support any kind of reparations though, justin, i think you're missing the forest for the trees when you say 'well i didnt enslave anyone.' The gap is there, the problem exists, and something must be done about it. Though monetary reparations is definitely not the best idea imo, you can't ignorantly dismiss the issue because you aren't to blame.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;17346615]affirmative action is a realistic tool that I think she be utilized to attempt to shrink the socio-economic racial gap. I prefer more "soft" tools of reparation like affirmative action than "hard" incentives like money, or whatever. i would still support any kind of reparations though, justin, i think you're missing the forest for the trees when you say 'well i didnt enslave anyone.' The gap is there, the problem exists, and something must be done about it. Though monetary reparations is definitely not the best idea imo, you can't ignorantly dismiss the issue because you aren't to blame.[/QUOTE]
Affirmative action is worse than money because you can earn money back you can't get college, schooling, or your job back

you have to go to a new one you didnt want first

[QUOTE=cobert;17346107]if you ever use the term 'reverse racism' seriously, you're an idiot. nobody wants to just send black people a check, that's stupid and a bit patronizing (agreeing with whoever said that even though I think it was reverse racism guy).[/QUOTE]

My name is Mike, not 'reverse racism guy'.
*Plays "Guilty of Being White"*

For people who are pro-reparations: what should be do with white ghettos, or ghettos of other nationalities?