might look at 22" avedis rock ride

[QUOTE]equivalent..more versatile?[/QUOTE]

that just struck me as odd.

[QUOTE=enishi]im listening to zildjian cymbal clips and i fell inlove wit 22" A medium ride. is that sound accurate??? because in store theres only 20" A med ride and i dunt like the sound it gives...[/QUOTE]All so called "identical" models sound different. So deciding to order a cymbal based on hearing a soundfile on the website of Zildjian or Sabian is a bad idea. The cymbal you will get is a different one and will probably sound different to even extremely different. So go the shop and listen to what's there and pick the one you like.

Woah, welcome to MX man! I love you already!!

Thanks, how come ?

Rare to see an educated, intellegent first post. Welcome!

Johan, Arent you the one who makes crappy cymbals in to awesome complex cymbals.

What are people's opinion of this for a cymbal setup:

8", 10" and 12" Wuhan Traditional Splashes
10" AA Splash
13" K/Z Hats
16" and 18" K Custom Special Dry Crash
22" K Heavy Ride
20" Paiste Dimensions Medium Raw Crash [8" Sabian PRO Splash stack on bell]
22" Wuhan Traditional China
14" Wuhan Traditional China with 12" Wuhan Traditional Splash inverted inside

awesome but you need a 17 crash, its missing one.....

[QUOTE]Johan, Arent you the one who makes crappy cymbals in to awesome complex cymbals[/QUOTE]That's one of the things I do yes.

But I mostly hammer good quality factory cymbals into much richer sounding cymbals. Let's say that I do the things that are not done in the factories anymore (although they claim the opposite).

Basically I want to re-create the really dark complex old turkish K-sound. Not only in light jazz cymbals, but also in heavier rock-oriented cymbals.

Modern Zildjian K's, Sabian HH's, Paiste Traditionals lack the real darkness and complexity I'm after. To me most sound too one-directional and sterile. Turkish handhammered cymbals are much more to my liking, but they're a hit and miss because although they may still be [I]shaped[/I] by handhammering, they are rarely well-tuned (or in tune with themselves) and often have unplayable areas.

The cymbals I've hammered can be seen and heard on my [URL=http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/]webindex page[/URL].

Some "before and after modification" files can be heard [URL=http://jvds.byethost15.com/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/]HERE[/URL].

Some of the "crappy" cymbals you mentioned that I hammered into professional cymbals are [URL=http://jvds.byethost15.com/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/]HERE[/URL].



This was a Paiste Signature Power ride, now sounding like the old Tony Williams ride.(Here's a [URL="http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/5_NEFERTITI_RIDES_and_related/22_Complex_Dark_Ride_2970_gr_(from_Paiste_Signature).mp3"]SOUNDFILE[/URL])
[img]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/5_NEFERTITI_RIDES_and_related/22_Complex_Dark_Ride_2970_gr_(from_Paiste_Signature).jpg[/img]



This was a Zildjian ZBT 20" ride, now a very complex thin jazz ride (here's a [URL="http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/ZBT_Zildjian_conversion_to_professional_light_jazz_cymbals/Zildjian_ZBT_20_ride_before_and_after_modification.mp3"]"before and after"[/URL] clip)
[img]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/ZBT_Zildjian_conversion_to_professional_light_jazz_cymbals/20_Ride_(From_Zildjian_ZBT).jpg[/img]



Here's a "before and after" pic of a cheap 16" Headliner crash cymbal, now a professional dark thin crash (and [URL="http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/Headliner_16_crash_before_and_after_modification.mp3"]here's [/URL]the before and after sound):
[img]http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/Headliner_16_crash_before_and_after_modification.jpg[/img]

Hi,

I'm looking to upgrade my Hi-Hats, Main Crash and Ride.
For my Hi-Hats, I want something with a nice "chick" sound when tightly closed, a trashy sort of sound when loosely closed, and a nice sound when open (not the Hi-Hats with a bad sound when open). It's kinda a vague description, but any help is good. I was thinking around $700aud as my budget for these.
For my crash I was thinking maybe a Zildjian K Medium Thin 16" Crash? What does anyone think about this decision, or anyones opinion about the cymbal?
And for the ride, I was thinking about maybe a 21" Sweet Ride, or a K 22" Heavy ride, once again if anyone has any other opinions or suggested it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advanced.

Johan VDS, that's awesome!

I've always wanted to do that. Seems like a super cheap way to get a great sounding cymbal with a little bit of work.

Plus I'd name mine super wild names.

:lol:

I was inbetween a 22" K heavy or a 20" K custom hybride ride. What are your options on hybrids? Are they versitile?? Because i can only hear 1 sound clip of them.

What are some other rides I should look at? I really am open to suggestions

[QUOTE=billy_spleen]Hi,

I'm looking to upgrade my Hi-Hats, Main Crash and Ride.
For my Hi-Hats, I want something with a nice "chick" sound when tightly closed, a trashy sort of sound when loosely closed, and a nice sound when open (not the Hi-Hats with a bad sound when open). It's kinda a vague description, but any help is good. I was thinking around $700aud as my budget for these.
For my crash I was thinking maybe a Zildjian K Medium Thin 16" Crash? What does anyone think about this decision, or anyones opinion about the cymbal?
And for the ride, I was thinking about maybe a 21" Sweet Ride, or a K 22" Heavy ride, once again if anyone has any other opinions or suggested it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advanced.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry to say, but your budget wont cut it man. the K Heavy is about $600 on its own. You could get some second hand stuff at a drum store like Billy Hydes for about that range though.

[QUOTE=Aaron]I'm sorry to say, but your budget wont cut it man. the K Heavy is about $600 on its own. You could get some second hand stuff at a drum store like Billy Hydes for about that range though.[/QUOTE]

Oh, sorry, nah i meant about $700 just for the hats.... the rest i don't really care.... my total budget is arounf $1500aud or so?:thumb:

For that then I'd suggest:

13" K Mastersounds
20" K Heavy Ride
17" K Medium-Thin Crash

I whore Ks I know, but they're pretty versitile.

So, I'm looking for a pair of hi hats that fit this description: Not too bright, not too dark. Probably [B]a little[/B] more on the bright side though. I want a really crisp "chick" that cuts through. I've been looking into the k mastersounds, but they're so damn expensive. My budget would most likely be around 200-250 USD. Ebay would do me some good, but I still have to sign up.

I'm gonna go with...extremely dirty 14" aax stage hats, brilliant finish..

[QUOTE=Aaron]For that then I'd suggest:

13" K Mastersounds
20" K Heavy Ride
17" K Medium-Thin Crash

I whore Ks I know, but they're pretty versitile.[/QUOTE]

Yeh, i know, K's Rock, thanks for the help:thumb: i'll have a look next time i'm "shopping"

[QUOTE=Plan B.]Johan VDS, that's awesome!

I've always wanted to do that. Seems like a super cheap way to get a great sounding cymbal with a little bit of work.[/QUOTE] Forget about that "little" bit of work, it's hours of :smash: work !

looked like it^. but according to my friend if you had the right smithing tools it wouldnt be too hard to do most of the stuff you did to them

I want a ride cymbal with no wash at all. I don't know if i like dark or dry rides, so i can't tell you that.

AA dry ride? any heavy ride pretty much.

[QUOTE=not fishbulb]I want a ride cymbal with no wash at all. I don't know if i like dark or dry rides, so i can't tell you that.[/QUOTE]
zildjian earth ride?
haha pretty much no wash at all.

I think I'm getting a 18 A CIE Vintage crash to match my current 16 of the same model, But I'm looking at some hats.

I've come up with a variety of choices.

Something along the lines of:

2 14 A Fast Crashs

15 K Hats.

14/13 Constonoples or 14 CIE Vintage hats.

Basically looking for a mellow/reggaeish type of hat.

[QUOTE=Chester]zildjian earth ride?
haha pretty much no wash at all.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, somebody made a thread on it and i listened to sound samples. Although no wash at all, to me the ping sounded really dull and crappy.

So i'll check out any heavy rides.Thanks.

[QUOTE=Johan VDS]Forget about that "little" bit of work, it's hours of :smash: work ![/QUOTE]


Yes you're right, but when it's a labour of LOVE the time flies!

:lol:

help
 

hi, i need help choosing between a 16" crash or an 18" crash when i play aminly rock and hard rock like AC/DC
thankx

go with an 18

Im looking for a dark, 'mellow', trashing sounding china, and it has to be 'musical'.

18" Hhx?

I like that sound, ummm, so far it is between that and a 17'' Zildjian dark China

Zildjian oriental classic?

K China.

Sounds Brilliant.

What do Paiste PST5s sound like? Are they worth the money? I heard they are a good value.

[QUOTE=We_Love_Lime]I think I'm getting a 18 A CIE Vintage crash to match my current 16 of the same model, But I'm looking at some hats.

I've come up with a variety of choices.

Something along the lines of:

2 14 A Fast Crashs

15 K Hats.

14/13 Constonoples or 14 CIE Vintage hats.

Basically looking for a mellow/reggaeish type of hat.[/QUOTE]


Interesting.

Is there a question involved in this post? Or are you just being a jerk?

[QUOTE=We_Love_Lime]Interesting.

Is there a question involved in this post? Or are you just being a jerk?[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah...

Anybody have any other suggestions/comments?

[QUOTE=Freebyrd]What do Paiste PST5s sound like? Are they worth the money? I heard they are a good value.[/QUOTE]
they are really good


what's a good pair of hats for ska?

zbts are reall goood for anything

[QUOTE=drumaster]zbts are reall goood for anything[/QUOTE]

Sure they are :rolleyes:

[quote=HeLLmO]they are really good


what's a good pair of hats for ska?[/quote]

Im thinking something along the lines of K Mastersounds. Whatever it is it has to be mastersound/soundedge/whatever cause ska uses a lot of foot-hat work.