[QUOTE=''Adam Jones is GOD ]Well they wouldn't have half as many fans without him, but the unique sound would have still attracted people. And APC would have been ok with just Billy's vocals,he has a good voice too. [b]Unfortunately, most people would never have listened to them if it wasnt for MJK's presence.[/b][/QUOTE]

I'm one of those people :upset:

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Well they wouldn't have half as many fans without him, but the unique sound would have still attracted people. And APC would have been ok with just Billy's vocals,he has a good voice too. Unfortunately, most people would never have listened to them if it wasnt for MJK's presence.[/QUOTE]


i think we are argueing to different points. Im just saying anything he touches turns to gold. Like he has the hand of Midas (mitus?) or something. Obviously the dude is human, which means he cant be perfect. I think his vocal range is awesome

did you ever see MJK live?

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Looking more at his APC trrack record. On the whole, he's done great there, but with eMOTIVE, we saw that he can be involved in some utter crap too.

/me thinks i've struck a nerve here[/QUOTE]

haha. Well, I agree i thought eMOTIVE was terrible, but I can forgive him as it wasn't original material from him. Pretty much all the stuff he writes I think has been good, and I doubt he'll dissapoint with the new stuff. My only worry is that (I'm not sure on this correct me if I'm wront) a lot of the instrumentals were written in his absence, so it might have less of a tight feel as far as the vocals go.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Looking more at his APC trrack record. On the whole, he's done great there, but with eMOTIVE, we saw that he can be involved in some utter crap too.

/me thinks i've struck a nerve here[/QUOTE]


i think eMOTIVE kicks butt....STOP YOUR BLASPHEMY

I have, once he was on top form, the other he seemed uninterested, but still delievered.

And im well aware his postives far outweigh his negatives. I am no heathen :)

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Looking more at his APC trrack record. On the whole, he's done great there, but with eMOTIVE, we saw that he can be involved in some utter crap too.

/me thinks i've struck a nerve here[/QUOTE]

At least your not a MJK fanboy. I spent a good hour or so arguing with Maynard fanboys last weekend about various Tool issues. It frustrated me so much that people can just write off the rest of the band, and state that anything great Tool produces is the work of Maynard. And eMOTIVE was most definately a let down.

[QUOTE=Kage]haha. Well, I agree i thought eMOTIVE was terrible, but I can forgive him as it wasn't original material from him. Pretty much all the stuff he writes I think has been good, and I doubt he'll dissapoint with the new stuff. My only worry is that (I'm not sure on this correct me if I'm wront) a lot of the instrumentals were written in his absence, so it might have less of a tight feel as far as the vocals go.[/QUOTE]

Happened with Lateralus too, but we all know the happy ending behind that....

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Happened with Lateralus too, but we all know the happy ending behind that....[/QUOTE]

ah, I didn't know that. Well then I guess I shouldn't be worried.

[QUOTE=G_Mac07]At least your not a MJK fanboy. I spent a good hour or so arguing with Maynard fanboys last weekend about various Tool issues. It frustrated me so much that people can just write off the rest of the band, and state that anything great Tool produces is the work of Maynard. And eMOTIVE was most definately a let down.[/QUOTE]

No, im an Adam Jones fanboy :p
But yes, I think im more on your wavelength with this one.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Happened with Lateralus too, but we all know the happy ending behind that....[/QUOTE]


well, most of the time they come up with the parts on their own, and they play with them in practice sessions or what not.

yeah, i knew Adam works on his parts alone, in his amazing attic. Effect pedal heaven

I think MJK is what often attracts new listeners to Tool. That was the case with me, anyway. I love the way he sang and his melodies, but after listening to them for a while I started really appreciating the beauty behind the instrumentals. Now AJ is one of, if not my favorite guitarist.

[QUOTE='Adam Jones is GOD']yeah, i knew Adam works on his parts alone, in his amazing attic. Effect pedal heaven[/QUOTE]

:lol: So very very true.

I bet he has as many as Mike Einzigner uses for his live performance ;)

[QUOTE=Kage]I think MJK is what often attracts new listeners to Tool. That was the case with me, anyway. I love the way he sang and his melodies, but after listening to them for a while I started really appreciating the beauty behind the instrumentals. Now AJ is one of, if not my favorite guitarist.[/QUOTE]


actually, i would have agreed with you when i first started (in '96), but actually it was Adams riffs, i just didnt realize it until i started playing guitar. I think his voice deff stands out. Adam just uses so many weird sounds/effects, that a lot of people forget hes actually playing an axe :thumb:

Anyone else agree that Justin is the least popular band member? I rarely see anyone mention him, it's always Maynard Adam or Danny. I don't know much about bass playing, but, hes pretty **** good as well right?

[QUOTE=Danny Carey is GOD]Anyone else agree that Justin is the least popular band member? I rarely see anyone mention him, it's always Maynard Adam or Danny. I don't know much about bass playing, but, hes pretty **** good as well right?[/QUOTE]

Consider yourself repped. I find one of Tool's most distinguishing aspects are the very prominant bass lines by Justin. I don't know why he doesn't recieve as much attention as the others, perhaps because he was a replacement for Paul D'Amour. Although his earlier work with Peach was also great.

Justin is quiet guy compared to MJK and Danny. maybe he gets less publicity over in the US because he's english :angry:
But yes, his playing is amazing, and im sure those in the know never overlook it.

Justin's lines are often quietly mixed. And the stuff that isn't quiet is normally high stuff that people think are guitars. This is why justin is normally overlooked.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Justin's lines are often quietly mixed. And the stuff that isn't quiet is normally high stuff that people think are guitars. This is why justin is normally overlooked.[/QUOTE]

He also doesn't stick to the "typical" bass sound. He uses delay, chorus, flangers, etc. to often give the bass an atmospheric sound. Justin is definitely not overlooked by me, he is an AWESOME bass player.

good point, alot of people dont realize that the familiar line of schism is being played on a bass, same with 46 and 2 and certain parts of the grudge, parabola, disposition, and a few others. I think one of the toughest songs of his to play on bass is reflection, but i melt every time i play the parts where you slide up the neck (so crucify the ego...). Before i learned to play bass i could never figure out why those sections of the song really stood out to me.

and yeah, i'm a JC fanboy

JC was one of my biggest idles wen i started playing bass a few years ago, hes deffinetlly one of the best, at least of the music i listen to. im a Atam fanboy tho, he got me into guitar playing.

He's an amazing bassist. I really like how he does all that harmonic and popping stuff. Very cool.

[QUOTE=magicbus]He's an amazing bassist. I really like how he does all that harmonic and popping stuff. Very cool.[/QUOTE]

Definitely, he really completed the band. (sorry Paul)

im sure if i played bass id be even more into him

[QUOTE=kurrptsenate]im sure if i played bass id be even more into him[/QUOTE]
Me too. I play guitar though. Adam Jones is also amazing, and an excellent riff writer.

I don't talk about him his as often but I definately don't overlook him. I realize his huge contribution to the sound. I love his lines and the way he and Adam move inside and out of each other.

Kage I think pretty much nailed it there -
it's the interplay between the bass and guitar (and of course the vocals and drums) that really makes tool stand out.
Songs like Schism have it in spades, where the bass part isn't overly complex but the way it sounds with guitar playing the same riff in a different position (key), it sounds fantastic. Add Maynard's vocals and it's a harmonious heaven. Most of their songs do it. Even the heavier tracks where you'd expect the bass to be simply cruising along with root notes, he still manages to make the bass have such a huge full sound.

I think Reflection is probably my favourite tool song currently because of the musicality of it. The tribal drums, the haunting vocals, the fantastic bass and the effect laden guitar just lets me listen and feel the sound fill the room....

AJiG - perhaps you can tell me what effects pedals he (Adam) does use??
A lot of he time it's obvious distortion, a good deal of chorus, delay and flange (reflection uses them all) any types I missed? And are there any particular brands he uses more?

Justin gets [b]alot[/b] of credit in the Bass forum. He's considered an influence to many, and is my primary bass idol. The man is a genius, and he doesn't have to play tapping licks or sweeping arpeggios to prove it.

[url]http://guitargeek.com/rigview/593/[/url]

That is the set up of adam according to Guitar Geek. Instead of using chorus he must use flange. He uses boss and Ibanez according to the site, just check that site out :lol: