[QUOTE=Quickdrop]I dont understand why they even decided to release St. Anger and Reload. They've sucked, not even close to living up to the standards that the fans have for them. If i was in the band i would refuse to even put that **** on shelves. I think they just dont have the creativity they had years ago, its like Wayne from Static X wrote the lyrics for those two albums, they have hardly any meaning.

Metallica should just release a new live album, im sure that would please alot of fans, myself being one of them.[/QUOTE]

haha yeah that is quite wrong....although i agree that metallica absolutely does not have the addicting talent that they displayed years ago, reload and st anger are good albums in themselves, and have alot to show to be proud of. metallica will never be the same obviously - i mean theyre older, moved on, and james doesnt even have that voice lol....but they can still make music like reload and st anger and what not that sounds good - dont even compare to the old days! there's no comparison!! totally different genres.

[QUOTE=metalmilitia101]haha yeah that is quite wrong....although i agree that metallica absolutely does not have the addicting talent that they displayed years ago, reload and st anger are good albums in themselves, and have alot to show to be proud of. metallica will never be the same obviously - i mean theyre older, moved on, and james doesnt even have that voice lol....but they can still make music like reload and st anger and what not that sounds good - dont even compare to the old days! there's no comparison!! totally different genres.[/QUOTE]Reload a [i]good[/i] album? Get out of here, its the first 4 tracks off it, then a bunch of songs only at a mediocre level. Your right, the CD's are totally different genre's but they are still from the same band, there for why is there something wrong in comparing them all? I will also say the old stuff like Seek & Destroy, Creeping Death, and 4 Horsemen sound better live than they do off the studio version. So James having a different sounding voice is really irrelivent. Its more the Black Album stuff he can't sing live, like Sad But True for example.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Sure they were.

It was thrashy speed metal, but speed metal really didn't exist in the early 80s.

[/QUOTE]
See: Megadeth



And Reload sucks along with St. Anger.

Load wasnt very good and was still miles ahead of Reload and St. Anger.

Why doesn't anyone liek these albums? I liekd them both just fine. So they were a little off from the Metallica we know but so what? Get over it.

I like reload more than load. I dont know about st. anger. St. anger is also better than load not sure about reload. I just love songs like low man's lyric, bad seed, slither, etc..

I likes St. Anger cause it was alot heaver but the first 4:

Kill em' All
Ride the Lightening
Master of Puppets
...And Justice For All

Will always own.

it had nothing to do with the fact that the album is different then the classic metallica, its the fact that reload simply sucks. Take out the first 4 tracks and what do you have? Just another CD not much better than any other hard rock act out at the time. The creativity just wasnt there.

[QUOTE=Quickdrop]it had nothing to do with the fact that the album is different then the classic metallica, its the fact that reload simply sucks. Take out the first 4 tracks and what do you have? Just another CD not much better than any other hard rock act out at the time. The creativity just wasnt there.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't make sense. Take out all songs on ride the lightning and you will have no album. You dont take out songs and then judge an album by the bad songs. Plus slither & Bad seed > first four songs of reload.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]That doesn't make sense. Take out all songs on ride the lightning and you will have no album. You dont take out songs and then judge an album by the bad songs. Plus slither & Bad seed > first four songs of reload.[/QUOTE]Exactly my point, every song on RTL is amazing. Reload has only a few, most of the CD is trash. Enough said.

Btw, most of Bad Seed is the same chord through out the song, like i said...Reload just lacked the creativity and originality of ALL their previous albums.

Holy s[B][I][/I][/B]hit, what the f[B][I][/I][/B]uck did I just wander into? :lol:

Look everyone has their own opinion, everyone needs to respect the opinion of others, and Metallica needs to hurry up with making that new album so ppl will stop the speculation what it will sound like.

And for the love of God, please no more Load, Reload, and St. Anger bashing. They have their good qualities and bad. If ppl were a little more open minded they'll find something that they like about these albums.

[QUOTE=lightningmetal666]

And for the love of God, please no more Load, Reload, and St. Anger bashing. They have their good qualities and bad. If ppl were a little more open minded they'll find something that they like about these albums.[/QUOTE]

Nicely said. I liked St. Anger. I did not like it as much as MoP, RTL, Kill Em All or the black album, but their was some good songs on it.

Yeah the flames were gettin' to be pretty bad so I had to say something. Note to all new members: Don't flame others for their opinions, also if someone flames you just ignore them. I hate wandering into flame-fests and the thread-starter would've 'bout hit the f[B][I][/I][/B]uckin' roof if he had taken a peek at the last 2 pages.

My personal opinion of lod, rl, SA, is that they aren't really that bad of albums, just that the band didn't put enough effort into them and allowed themselves to be influenced by Nu-Metal. I'm not bashing Nu-Metal as there are some bands of this genre that I like, but these guys have a totally different approach to metal that Metallica shouldn't have done. Metallica started the whole anti-poser thing (just read the lyrics to s[B][I][/I][/B]hit like whiplash and Motorbreath) along with some of the other metal bands starting out at that time. (like judas priest and iron maiden.) Why I mention this is that I do find some other Nu-Metal bands to be just posers and not really care about metal in general just about finding a record deal to line their pockets.

I don't think that Metallica made a smart move imitating these kinds of bands but I really admire their 'I don't give a flying f[B][I][/I][/B]uck what you ppl think' attitude.

They did what they wanted and have done so for over 20 years. What makes you people think that they're gonna stop thinking like that now?

[QUOTE=lightningmetal666]

My personal opinion of lod, rl, SA, is that they aren't really that bad of albums, just that the band didn't put enough effort into them and allowed themselves to be influenced by Nu-Metal. I'm not bashing Nu-Metal as there are some bands of this genre that I like, but these guys have a totally different approach to metal that Metallica shouldn't have done. Metallica started the whole anti-poser thing (just read the lyrics to s[B][I][/I][/B]hit like whiplash and Motorbreath) along with some of the other metal bands starting out at that time. (like judas priest and iron maiden.) Why I mention this is that I do find some other Nu-Metal bands to be just posers and not really care about metal in general just about finding a record deal to line their pockets.

I don't think that Metallica made a smart move imitating these kinds of bands but I really admire their 'I don't give a flying f[B][I][/I][/B]uck what you ppl think' attitude.

They did what they wanted and have done so for over 20 years. What makes you people think that they're gonna stop thinking like that now?[/QUOTE]

I think they put effort into load, reload and Saint Anger, but I think they wanted to go in a new musical direction.

1,000 posts :chug:

[QUOTE=clairvoyant]See: Megadeth



And Reload sucks along with St. Anger.

Load wasnt very good and was still miles ahead of Reload and St. Anger.[/QUOTE]


Megadeth was a few years late on that scene. I love em, but they were late.

Metallica's last great album was Master of Puppets.

[QUOTE]I used to listen to Metallica 24/7. Then one day it clicked to me. I don't really think Metallica are that skillful. And yes, I know that I could never write an album like ...And Justice For All, I have only been playing guitar for two years.

I listen through Metallica's catalogue, and all I see are catchy riffs and catchy lyrics. At times I see something worthy or something quite complex, but Metallica aren't all that special.

Master of Puppets is dubbed one of the best Thrash Metal albums, when imo it only has two real thrash songs, Battery and Disposable Heroes (And that is only in some parts). Orion is just repetitive and has the overrated and simplistic bass interlude. I will admit though, that Master of Puppets was influential, but in a bad way. It influenced terrible bands that followed.

Lars controls the band whether people like to admit it or not. It was namely his idea to throw out Dave Mustaine, because he wanted James all to himself. It was Lars who didn't let Kirk have solos. It was Lars who told James not to pick Pepper (Once again, Lars knew James was friends with Pepper, and if Pepper joined the band, Lars wouldn't have James all to himself). So James, like the little puppet he is, joined the decision to hire Rob.

Metallica are trend followers. When thrash was going out, they moved out of thrash. When grunge was in, they created grunge-inspired albums. When down-tuned riffage with terrible singing was in, they moved to that style of music.

You'll probably be surprised to hear that the only albums I ever listen to anymore are the Loads. The rest sit dusty on my cd rack. I think the Loads are the most original albums Metallica have created. Plus the early albums remind me of all the tro0 metal fans that blindy praise them and overrate them, while underrating the rest of the albums.

I am not one of the people that goes around screaming "OH MAN METALLICA SUCKS LOL I AM REALLY COOL." I am not one of the people that expects everyone to believe what I believe and to listen to what I listen to. I respect Metallica, I respect Metallica's fans. And in a way, I still am a Metallica fan.

Please no bashing. I'm not asking anyone to agree. If you disagree that's fine, but please don't blindy bash me. Just express your opinion the way I have expressed mine.[/QUOTE]

Good, constructive arguement. I will try and come up with a good response. So here goes:
1. Master of Puppets was excellent IMO but you're right, There was only two thrash songs(battery, and damage, inc. Ok, and parts of Disposabe Heroes. And I don't know about you, but many people like it for reason that it is creative. (in their and my opinions.)
2. I agree Lars is an *******, but Im not sure about the controlling James stuff so I can't argue.
3. "Metallica are trend followers." Hmmm....I disagree there, buddy. If you say the black Album has grunge influence, I've listened to it countless times and all I noticed was alternative metal. The Loads were rock but with a wierd country twist( Maybe a little, I haven't listened to them in their entirety).
4. Your right. The Loads are Metallica's most original albums. Never heard anything like Where The Wild Things Are and The Memory Remains among other songs done by Metallica or anyone else so far.

Again these are just my opinions and an attempt at a reasonable argument.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and harakiri or w/e is an idiot. No argument needed.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Megadeth was a few years late on that scene. I love em, but they were late.

Metallica's last great album was Master of Puppets.[/QUOTE]
I kinda agree, I never really thought ...AJFA was that amazing...

need help here: which type of wah pedal is best for playing Hammet-style lead guitar?

Crybaby 535Q
Crybaby Classic Fasel Inductor
Crybaby CB-95Q

Oh dude... no:

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]I used to listen to Metallica 24/7. Then one day it clicked to me. I don't really think Metallica are that skillful. And yes, I know that I could never write an album like ...And Justice For All, I have only been playing guitar for two years.

I listen through Metallica's catalogue, and all I see are catchy riffs and catchy lyrics. At times I see something worthy or something quite complex, but Metallica aren't all that special.
[/QUOTE]
What are you comparing the 'catchy riffs and lyrics' to?

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]
Master of Puppets is dubbed one of the best Thrash Metal albums, when imo it only has two real thrash songs, Battery and Disposable Heroes (And that is only in some parts). Orion is just repetitive and has the overrated and simplistic bass interlude. I will admit though, that Master of Puppets was influential, but in a bad way. It influenced terrible bands that followed.
[/QUOTE]
Damage Inc. is pure thrash. Metallica was a pioneer of thrash, when you state that they arent particularly thrash youre comparing it to how bands like Slayer or newer more Metalcore bands would execute thrash.

You obviously dont know Orion that well because it isnt the relatively simple bass interlude thats hyped up, its the 3-part bass solo that is. ;) So in that respect your argument is rather weak.

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]
Lars controls the band whether people like to admit it or not. It was namely his idea to throw out Dave Mustaine, because he wanted James all to himself. It was Lars who didn't let Kirk have solos. It was Lars who told James not to pick Pepper (Once again, Lars knew James was friends with Pepper, and if Pepper joined the band, Lars wouldn't have James all to himself). So James, like the little puppet he is, joined the decision to hire Rob.
[/QUOTE]
Lars is the bands spokesperson, this is a position everybody would agree belongs to Lars.
It wasnt his idea to throw Dave out. Have you even heard about the fights Dave and James had? James found Kirk for gods sake. Plus he was more than happy to replace McGovney with Burton. James has ALWAYS had vast amounts of control over the band. Maybe not on the public front, but music-wise and member-wise he certainly has.

Bob Rock was actually the main instigator (sp?) in suggesting Kirk layed off soloing on St Anger. But it was also Kirks decision. He was told exactly that he could place something over a song that made him feel happy. (Like a solo or something). And Kirk did just that.

Lars didnt tell James not to hire Pepper, James seemed FAR MORE interested with hiring Rob and wanted to jam with him more just to see.

(Have you even seen the film)?

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]
Metallica are trend followers. When thrash was going out, they moved out of thrash. When grunge was in, they created grunge-inspired albums. When down-tuned riffage with terrible singing was in, they moved to that style of music.[/QUOTE]
Metallica arent trend followers as such or even they would have been overtaken. Theyve ALWAYS had something thats kept them purely Metallica. They set more trends than theyve followed and I could probably count on one hand the amount of songs that are down-tuned that they have written (pre-St Anger).

Plus, grunge?? No. Metallica havent played grunge... grunge is Nirvana and Soundgarden.

The band isnt anything to blame, they are lumbered with a rather bad producer that they dont seem to want to get rid of. Hiring him gave them a bassier, heavier sound as its what he specialises in.

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]
You'll probably be surprised to hear that the only albums I ever listen to anymore are the Loads. The rest sit dusty on my cd rack. I think the Loads are the most original albums Metallica have created. Plus the early albums remind me of all the tro0 metal fans that blindy praise them and overrate them, while underrating the rest of the albums.
[/QUOTE]
This doesnt suprise me too much. Theyre great albums.
Although what does suprise me about it is that those albums were made at the pinnacle of them 'following trends' which seems to be a big problem you have with them. :p

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]
I am not one of the people that goes around screaming "OH MAN METALLICA SUCKS LOL I AM REALLY COOL." I am not one of the people that expects everyone to believe what I believe and to listen to what I listen to. I respect Metallica, I respect Metallica's fans. And in a way, I still am a Metallica fan.

Please no bashing. I'm not asking anyone to agree. If you disagree that's fine, but please don't blindy bash me. Just express your opinion the way I have expressed mine.[/QUOTE]
K.

Skills have nothing to do with it as long as the music is good who cares? Green Day is a bunch of fags and all the lil punk/emo kids love em.

PS: Green Day can rot in hell!

[QUOTE=rip-metal_rules]need help here: which type of wah pedal is best for playing Hammet-style lead guitar?

Crybaby 535Q
Crybaby Classic Fasel Inductor
Crybaby CB-95Q[/QUOTE]
I like 535Q best.

[QUOTE=GiB_PlAyEr123]Green Day can rot in hell![/QUOTE]

Amen.

[QUOTE=rip-metal_rules]need help here: which type of wah pedal is best for playing Hammet-style lead guitar?

Crybaby 535Q
Crybaby Classic Fasel Inductor
Crybaby CB-95Q[/QUOTE]


I would say the 535q, but you might also look at
the weeping demon wah it's really nice :thumb:

[QUOTE=Quickdrop]Btw, most of Bad Seed is the same chord through out the song, like i said[/QUOTE]

That doesn't make the song sound bad. And no it's not same chord throughout the whole song.

Try playing the [I]Shortest Straw[/I] guitar solo.

Jusitce > Black > Puppets

About Bob Rock:

I think he's a good producer myself. The production on their first four albums wasn't to great at all, but it greatly improved when Bob came in I think.

I think I'm the only person who likes low quality recordings :x
I love Kill 'em All's raw quality.
It has the best production for what I look for in music.
I know it's far from the best (Probably the worst), but it's my favourite.

Kill 'Em All is an awesome album, it's one of my favorites.

[QUOTE=Fernandes Power]
1. What are you comparing the 'catchy riffs and lyrics' to?


2. Damage Inc. is pure thrash. Metallica was a pioneer of thrash, when you state that they arent particularly thrash youre comparing it to how bands like Slayer or newer more Metalcore bands would execute thrash.

You obviously dont know Orion that well because it isnt the relatively simple bass interlude thats hyped up, its the 3-part bass solo that is. ;) So in that respect your argument is rather weak.


3. Lars is the bands spokesperson, this is a position everybody would agree belongs to Lars.
It wasnt his idea to throw Dave out. Have you even heard about the fights Dave and James had? James found Kirk for gods sake. Plus he was more than happy to replace McGovney with Burton. James has ALWAYS had vast amounts of control over the band. Maybe not on the public front, but music-wise and member-wise he certainly has.

4. Bob Rock was actually the main instigator (sp?) in suggesting Kirk layed off soloing on St Anger. But it was also Kirks decision. He was told exactly that he could place something over a song that made him feel happy. (Like a solo or something). And Kirk did just that.

5. Lars didnt tell James not to hire Pepper, James seemed FAR MORE interested with hiring Rob and wanted to jam with him more just to see.

(Have you even seen the film)?

6. Metallica arent trend followers as such or even they would have been overtaken. Theyve ALWAYS had something thats kept them purely Metallica. They set more trends than theyve followed and I could probably count on one hand the amount of songs that are down-tuned that they have written (pre-St Anger).

Plus, grunge?? No. Metallica havent played grunge... grunge is Nirvana and Soundgarden.

7.The band isnt anything to blame, they are lumbered with a rather bad producer that they dont seem to want to get rid of. Hiring him gave them a bassier, heavier sound as its what he specialises in.

8. This doesnt suprise me too much. Theyre great albums.
Although what does suprise me about it is that those albums were made at the pinnacle of them 'following trends' which seems to be a big problem you have with them. :p

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1. The catchy riffs and lyrics, they're everywhere, in every album. Don't tell me you need examples?

2. 2 out of 8 songs being thrash doesn't make a band a pioneer of thrash.

3. James had many discussions with Lars about kicking Dave out. After Dave was thrown out, you are right. James hired Kirk. But that doesn't prove anything. The guitarist in the band should find another guitarist that he thinks he'll made a good guitar team with. That doesn't surprise me at all.

4. Yes I have seen the film. If you've seen it you'd know what I'm talking about. Lars said he wasn't interested in having traditional solos in Metallica's music anymore. And Kirk agreed, he said he wasn't interested in doing traditional-sounding solos, something a little more modern. Then Bob came in with his part, you are correct.

5. In the film they don't show it, but Pepper was very close in getting into the band. But in the end, James said to Pepper that their friendship would probably affect the music, so Pepper pulled out.

6. I know their are many songs that are down-tuned, but never in the drop-d style and most of the time the lyrics and riffs aren't repeated 10 times in the one song. I presumed you knew what I meant when I said down-tuned riffage. I meant in the style that bands today are playing...unthought, unworked and uninspired.

7. I think if the band hired him and didn't want to let him go then their is something to blame them for.

8. I've given my reasons why I like the Loads and have expressed my awareness of the Loads.

[QUOTE=Quickdrop]Reload a [i]good[/i] album? Get out of here, its the first 4 tracks off it, then a bunch of songs only at a mediocre level. Your right, the CD's are totally different genre's but they are still from the same band, there for why is there something wrong in comparing them all? I will also say the old stuff like Seek & Destroy, Creeping Death, and 4 Horsemen sound better live than they do off the studio version. So James having a different sounding voice is really irrelivent. Its more the Black Album stuff he can't sing live, like Sad But True for example.[/QUOTE]

yeah, i obviously find it hard to appreciate reload as much as the older stuff....the older stuff just absolutely drives its *** off the road...but its good music, and i think the albums like reload and load and st anger that have definate differences in influence help to build up metallica's fan base...the people that don't necessarily like the thrashy speed metal that metallica was a rage for in the 80s might like the quieter rock of reload or st anger...not as in quiet but newer, stuff that weird people nowdays are used to. obviously this breeds contention within metallica fans themselves, there being the gang who likes reload and load and st anger and whatnot, and the group that likes the old stuff, then the people who like it all. we shouldnt kill eachother for not liking some of their stuff - yes its the same band buts its OBVIOUSLY different styles of music as they progress - if anyone argues with that point i would very much so like to hear it.