imagine if Metallica and Megadeth were to play a show together. Each band just like playing a few songs, and going back and forth between them like that for 3 or 4 hours. Even play the old stuff like Seek & Destory and Mechanix together. Fcking insane. I can only dream...

You think Ktulu has better solos then To Live Is To Die? Their good, but nothing beats the clean middle one in TLITD.

But yeah, I just generally like AJFA a lot more then the rest of the albums, and I like Fade To Black, but I like One about 5x more.

Mettalica Are So Overatted.

Orion > To Live is To Die imo.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]You think Ktulu has better solos then To Live Is To Die? Their good, but nothing beats the clean middle one in TLITD.

But yeah, I just generally like AJFA a lot more then the rest of the albums, and I like Fade To Black, but I like One about 5x more.[/QUOTE]

It's actually distorted, but i know what you mean. That's my favorite instrumental solo, but overall I like the COTK ones better.

Your right, it is distorted, haven't heard it in a while. Whatever, it sounds good clean or distorted. :P

I used to listen to Metallica 24/7. Then one day it clicked to me. I don't really think Metallica are that skillful. And yes, I know that I could never write an album like ...And Justice For All, I have only been playing guitar for two years.

I listen through Metallica's catalogue, and all I see are catchy riffs and catchy lyrics. At times I see something worthy or something quite complex, but Metallica aren't all that special.

Master of Puppets is dubbed one of the best Thrash Metal albums, when imo it only has two real thrash songs, Battery and Disposable Heroes (And that is only in some parts). Orion is just repetitive and has the overrated and simplistic bass interlude. I will admit though, that Master of Puppets was influential, but in a bad way. It influenced terrible bands that followed.

Lars controls the band whether people like to admit it or not. It was namely his idea to throw out Dave Mustaine, because he wanted James all to himself. It was Lars who didn't let Kirk have solos. It was Lars who told James not to pick Pepper (Once again, Lars knew James was friends with Pepper, and if Pepper joined the band, Lars wouldn't have James all to himself). So James, like the little puppet he is, joined the decision to hire Rob.

Metallica are trend followers. When thrash was going out, they moved out of thrash. When grunge was in, they created grunge-inspired albums. When down-tuned riffage with terrible singing was in, they moved to that style of music.

You'll probably be surprised to hear that the only albums I ever listen to anymore are the Loads. The rest sit dusty on my cd rack. I think the Loads are the most original albums Metallica have created. Plus the early albums remind me of all the tro0 metal fans that blindy praise them and overrate them, while underrating the rest of the albums.

I am not one of the people that goes around screaming "OH MAN METALLICA SUCKS LOL I AM REALLY COOL." I am not one of the people that expects everyone to believe what I believe and to listen to what I listen to. I respect Metallica, I respect Metallica's fans. And in a way, I still am a Metallica fan.

Please no bashing. I'm not asking anyone to agree. If you disagree that's fine, but please don't blindy bash me. Just express your opinion the way I have expressed mine.

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]I used to listen to Metallica 24/7. Then one day it clicked to me. I don't really think Metallica are that skillful. And yes, I know that I could never write an album like ...And Justice For All, I have only been playing guitar for two years.

I listen through Metallica's catalogue, and all I see are catchy riffs and catchy lyrics. At times I see something worthy or something quite complex, but Metallica aren't all that special.

Master of Puppets is dubbed one of the best Thrash Metal albums, when imo it only has two real thrash songs, Battery and Disposable Heroes (And that is only in some parts). Orion is just repetitive and has the overrated and simplistic bass interlude. I will admit though, that Master of Puppets was influential, but in a bad way. It influenced terrible bands that followed.

Lars controls the band whether people like to admit it or not. It was namely his idea to throw out Dave Mustaine, because he wanted James all to himself. It was Lars who didn't let Kirk have solos. It was Lars who told James not to pick Pepper (Once again, Lars knew James was friends with Pepper, and if Pepper joined the band, Lars wouldn't have James all to himself). So James, like the little puppet he is, joined the decision to hire Rob.

Metallica are trend followers. When thrash was going out, they moved out of thrash. When grunge was in, they created grunge-inspired albums. When down-tuned riffage with terrible singing was in, they moved to that style of music.

You'll probably be surprised to hear that the only albums I ever listen to anymore are the Loads. The rest sit dusty on my cd rack. I think the Loads are the most original albums Metallica have created. Plus the early albums remind me of all the tro0 metal fans that blindy praise them and overrate them, while underrating the rest of the albums.

I am not one of the people that goes around screaming "OH MAN METALLICA SUCKS LOL I AM REALLY COOL." I am not one of the people that expects everyone to believe what I believe and to listen to what I listen to. I respect Metallica, I respect Metallica's fans. And in a way, I still am a Metallica fan.

Please no bashing. I'm not asking anyone to agree. If you disagree that's fine, but please don't blindy bash me. Just express your opinion the way I have expressed mine.[/QUOTE]

U MUTHER FUKER!!!ILL FUKIN KILL U!!!
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: ...


LOL.....j/k

to be honest with u, i do not agree with u AT ALL....metallica is tha **** and will stay the **** untill the word **** is no longer a word......****......(for those of u who did not understand what i just said, plz scroll down to the bottom of this post 4 an explanation, thank you) so u can take ur metallica hatin *** and move to san fransisco.......u are abviously a metallica hater....and dont even try to deny it becuz u just wrote a whole fukin essay style article dissing tha holy grail of ****s outa metallica ..mmkay u suumbitch...so dont be bringin ur san fransisco livin *** out here to metallica land.....or we gone hunt ur *** down...suumbitch

(metallica is the greatest band of all time.....no matter what :D )

[QUOTE=harakirimusic]U MUTHER FUKER!!!ILL FUKIN KILL U!!!
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: ...


LOL.....j/k

to be honest with u, i do not agree with u AT ALL....metallica is tha **** and will stay the **** untill the word **** is no longer a word......****......(for those of u who did not understand what i just said, plz scroll down to the bottom of this post 4 an explanation, thank you) so u can take ur metallica hatin *** and move to san fransisco.......u are abviously a metallica hater....and dont even try to deny it becuz u just wrote a whole fukin essay style article dissing tha holy grail of ****s outa metallica ..mmkay u suumbitch...so dont be bringin ur san fransisco livin *** out here to metallica land.....or we gone hunt ur *** down...suumbitch

(metallica is the greatest band of all time.....no matter what :D )[/QUOTE]


Wow, you really expect me to take your post seriously after you flood me with the word ****. I expressed my opinion maturely, then you come screaming:

METALLICA IS THE **** OMG LMAO **** **** **** I'M GONNA HUNT YOU DOWN.

I already said you didn't have to agree with me, why are you going all crazy? If you didn't agree, you could have just said so.

You have to understand that harakirimusic is a moron.

Your opinion is fine to express here. The Metallica thread is designed for Metallica discussion, aslong as it's not just random bashing, as seen from our friend above you.

As far as Master of Puppets being considered the best Thrash album, that's not really the opinion of Thrash fans, more so Metal fans that don't have a true understanding or grasp of Thrash itself. There's plenty of albums better than MoP and I'll also agree that it's not really a fully fledged Thrash album. Never the less, it is an important part of metal history on the whole.

Technicallity isn't really Metallica's strong point and it's not intended to be. There's plenty of simple bands that are considered the best in their genre. You don't have to be technical to be good. Look at bands such as Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, Black Sabbath, Motorhead etc etc. None of these bands are technical, yet it doesn't matter. If you want Tech-Metal, there's thousands of good bands out there waiting to be listened to.

Your say on them following trends has me a little confused. Metallica released the Black Album in 1991, when Grunge was at it's biggest. The Black Album, to me, doesn't have a grunge influence at all. If you mean St. Anger as in the drop-tuning-nu-metal-feel, then I agree with that. All that aside, it didn't get them very far, as the album didn't sell too well for Metallica standards.

The Lars debate is another difficult one to answer. Personally I don't like the guys personality or his arrogance, but that's him and it's probably the reason why he hasn't been kicked out of the band. He acts as team leader, if you like.

Now, I'm not a 'Tr00' metal fan as you put it, but I know what I like. I like the first 4 albums because I like metal that sounds good and to me the first 4 albums do sound good. The technicality factor you talked about is pretty void if you're complaining about Metallica not being very technical and then only listening to Load and Re-Load. The first 4 albums are the most technical Metallica got.

Now, that's my opinion.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]You have to understand that harakirimusic is a moron.

Your opinion is fine to express here. The Metallica thread is designed for Metallica discussion, aslong as it's not just random bashing, as seen from our friend above you.

As far as Master of Puppets being considered the best Thrash album, that's not really the opinion of Thrash fans, more so Metal fans that don't have a true understanding or grasp of Thrash itself. There's plenty of albums better than MoP and I'll also agree that it's not really a fully fledged Thrash album. Never the less, it is an important part of metal history on the whole.

Technicallity isn't really Metallica's strong point and it's not intended to be. There's plenty of simple bands that are considered the best in their genre. You don't have to be technical to be good. Look at bands such as Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, Black Sabbath, Motorhead etc etc. None of these bands are technical, yet it doesn't matter. If you want Tech-Metal, there's thousands of good bands out there waiting to be listened to.

Your say on them following trends has me a little confused. Metallica released the Black Album in 1991, when Grunge was at it's biggest. The Black Album, to me, doesn't have a grunge influence at all. If you mean St. Anger as in the drop-tuning-nu-metal-feel, then I agree with that. All that aside, it didn't get them very far, as the album didn't sell too well for Metallica standards.

The Lars debate is another difficult one to answer. Personally I don't like the guys personality or his arrogance, but that's him and it's probably the reason why he hasn't been kicked out of the band. He acts as team leader, if you like.

Now, I'm not a 'Tr00' metal fan as you put it, but I know what I like. I like the first 4 albums because I like metal that sounds good and to me the first 4 albums do sound good. The technicality factor you talked about is pretty void if you're complaining about Metallica not being very technical and then only listening to Load and Re-Load. The first 4 albums are the most technical Metallica got.

Now, that's my opinion.[/QUOTE]


I don't listen to Load and RELoad for the technicality. I listen to them because I think they are the only decent-sounding albums. And your comment about if you want tech-metal then there are plenty of bands to listen to, well that's what I've done. I've recently got into Opeth, Dream Theater and Rush, though I am not very fond of Rush and DT's singers. I listen to them for the music.

I don't just listen to tech-metal. I also listen to Pantera, Megadeth, Pink Floyd, Slayer, Iced Earth and Iron Maiden.

Moving on I respect your opinion, you raised some good points which I agree with. I guess first off I was a little harsh. I'm just sick of people saying METALLICA IS THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD. They are good for what they play, but I don't think Metallica were ever the best band in any point of their career. But like I said, I'll always respect them and I'm still a fan. I'll still be waiting in line for Metallica's new album to check it out.

Like I said, what I listen to probably doesn't appeal to everyone and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I commend you for replying in a proper manner though and expressing good points maturely.

I've had plenty of arguments with the people in this thread about Metallica not being the best band in the world, so I wouldn't worry about that. Also had plenty of heated Metallica vs Megadeth, Mustaine vs Hammett, Mustaine vs Hetfield, arguments aswell. It's all good fun for me. I think I was one of the most hated people in here for a while, it was rather comical.

I'm probably in the same area as yourself. If they released a new album I'd probably still buy it, but I wouldn't be expecting anything special. I'm sure a lot of people in here wouldn't agree with my tastes in music aswell, but who cares? Only the extreme fanboys will attack you here for you opinion.

NP: Judas Priest - Ram It Down

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]I've had plenty of arguments with the people in this thread about Metallica not being the best band in the world, so I wouldn't worry about that. Also had plenty of heated Metallica vs Megadeth, Mustaine vs Hammett, Mustaine vs Hetfield, arguments aswell. It's all good fun for me. I think I was one of the most hated people in here for a while, it was rather comical.

I'm probably in the same area as yourself. If they released a new album I'd probably still buy it, but I wouldn't be expecting anything special. I'm sure a lot of people in here wouldn't agree with my tastes in music aswell, but who cares? Only the extreme fanboys will attack you here for you opinion.
[/QUOTE]

Well you've gained my respect. I like the way you construct your arguments unlike the first guy that replied to me. And I myself, back in the days where I worshipped Metallica as a sheep, used to be in many arguments (always favouring Metallica) and now watching myself being on the opposite side kind of makes me laugh.

And you're right, I don't hold very high expectations for the next album, but there is always hope, and my curiosity keeps me holding on to Metallica.

Wow.

That stuff is comedy gold.

I love this thread.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Wow.

That stuff is comedy gold.

I love this thread.[/QUOTE]

Do you think if I would post something like that, I would care what someone like you thinks? Do you think you can change my opinion by laughing at it? I don't care what you think, what I posted is what I believe and you can laugh all you want. I'll laugh right back at you. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]Do you think if I would post something like that, I would care what someone like you thinks? Do you think you can change my opinion by laughing at it? I don't care what you think, what I posted is what I believe and you can laugh all you want. I'll laugh right back at you. :thumb:[/QUOTE]
You realise that he probably doesn't care what you reply with? There's no point in defending or stating something about yourself when it isn't relevent.

He finds something funny, good for him. Just don't get so defensive about something that is unimportant.

[QUOTE=Paul]You realise that he probably doesn't care what you reply with? There's no point in defending or stating something about yourself when it isn't relevent.

He finds something funny, good for him. Just don't get so defensive about something that is unimportant.[/QUOTE]

I posted my opinion, he laughed at it. I think it was relevant.

It wasn't your opinion dude!

It was the rant by harakiri or whatever he spells it.

I laughed out loud. I thought that would have been obvious.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]It wasn't your opinion dude!

It was the rant by harakiri or whatever he spells it.

I laughed out loud. I thought that would have been obvious.[/QUOTE]

Oh ok. I think I overreacted anyway. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Mizuzack]Oh ok. I think I overreacted anyway. Sorry.[/QUOTE]


No need for apologies. I do it all the time.

:thumb:

[QUOTE=harakirimusic]U MUTHER FUKER!!!ILL FUKIN KILL U!!!
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: ...


LOL.....j/k

to be honest with u, i do not agree with u AT ALL....metallica is tha **** and will stay the **** untill the word **** is no longer a word......****......(for those of u who did not understand what i just said, plz scroll down to the bottom of this post 4 an explanation, thank you) so u can take ur metallica hatin *** and move to san fransisco.......u are abviously a metallica hater....and dont even try to deny it becuz u just wrote a whole fukin essay style article dissing tha holy grail of ****s outa metallica ..mmkay u suumbitch...so dont be bringin ur san fransisco livin *** out here to metallica land.....or we gone hunt ur *** down...suumbitch

(metallica is the greatest band of all time.....no matter what :D )[/QUOTE]

He seems be misunderstanding two facts:

1). Mizuzack presented his opinion in a smart, mannerable way. he actually put some thoughts to his words. I don't necessarily agree with his opinion, but I respect it, he's entitled to it, and I applaud him. noob of the month nominee for me :)

2). Metallica's from San Fransisco.

I'm learning McFly. It's harder than a lot of Metallica songs.

[QUOTE=mizuzack]I used to listen to Metallica 24/7. Then one day it clicked to me. I don't really think Metallica are that skillful. And yes, I know that I could never write an album like ...And Justice For All, I have only been playing guitar for two years.

I listen through Metallica's catalogue, and all I see are catchy riffs and catchy lyrics. At times I see something worthy or something quite complex, but Metallica aren't all that special.

Master of Puppets is dubbed one of the best Thrash Metal albums, when imo it only has two real thrash songs, Battery and Disposable Heroes (And that is only in some parts). Orion is just repetitive and has the overrated and simplistic bass interlude. I will admit though, that Master of Puppets was influential, but in a bad way. It influenced terrible bands that followed.

Lars controls the band whether people like to admit it or not. It was namely his idea to throw out Dave Mustaine, because he wanted James all to himself. It was Lars who didn't let Kirk have solos. It was Lars who told James not to pick Pepper (Once again, Lars knew James was friends with Pepper, and if Pepper joined the band, Lars wouldn't have James all to himself). So James, like the little puppet he is, joined the decision to hire Rob.

[b]Metallica are trend followers[/b]. When thrash was going out, they moved out of thrash. When grunge was in, they created grunge-inspired albums. When down-tuned riffage with terrible singing was in, they moved to that style of music.

You'll probably be surprised to hear that the only albums I ever listen to anymore are the Loads. The rest sit dusty on my cd rack. I think the Loads are the most original albums Metallica have created. Plus the early albums remind me of all the tro0 metal fans that blindy praise them and overrate them, while underrating the rest of the albums.

I am not one of the people that goes around screaming "OH MAN METALLICA SUCKS LOL I AM REALLY COOL." I am not one of the people that expects everyone to believe what I believe and to listen to what I listen to. I respect Metallica, I respect Metallica's fans. And in a way, I still am a Metallica fan.

Please no bashing. I'm not asking anyone to agree. If you disagree that's fine, but please don't blindy bash me. Just express your opinion the way I have expressed mine.[/QUOTE]I agree...there are much more talented and original bands out there other than Metallica, like Hoobastank. :confused:

Hoobastank aren't that original. They just blend in with the pop-punk bands.

i was being sarcastic. Hoobastank is aweful.

Metallica & Megadeth 4 life :thumb:

[QUOTE=Quickdrop]i was being sarcastic. Hoobastank is aweful.

Metallica & Megadeth 4 life :thumb:[/QUOTE]
Amen.

I don't understand how you can say Metallica are trend followers when they practically created the thrash genre.

I don't think Metallica's early albums are really thrash.

[QUOTE=Happy]I don't think Metallica's early albums are really thrash.[/QUOTE]


Sure they were.

It was thrashy speed metal, but speed metal really didn't exist in the early 80s.

I mean, musically it's thrash with a lot of metal riffs and drumming. Listen to Anthrax, Stormtroopers of Death and mayhaps bands like Suicidal Tendencies and a bit of Dirty Rotton Imbeciles... and you can hear thrash. They sped it up, and were just that good to be out of the running of any standard genre.

They were that good back then. Nothing much like it existed in that context. I remember. There was no middle ground. It was Anthrax, Metallica, Nuclear Assault, Overkill.. thrashy speed metal. Slayer was too dark, but they defined speed over the next 2 or 3 years.

[QUOTE=RustedPieces]I don't understand how you can say Metallica are trend followers when they practically created the thrash genre.[/QUOTE]
Not really.

I'd say KEA was thrash, and RTL was mostly, but MoP marks the spot when they started leaving it behind.