Lost Keys / Rosetta Stoned
Stinkfist
46 & 2
The Pot
Jambi
Schism
Eon Blue Apocolypse / The Patient
Sober
Lateralus
Vicarious
Aenema

Last nights set-list

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Lost Keys / Rosetta Stoned
Stinkfist
46 & 2
The Pot
Jambi
Schism
Eon Blue Apocolypse / The Patient
Sober
Lateralus
Vicarious
Aenema

Last nights set-list[/QUOTE]
Man, what a killer set list. About the only thing I would love to have seen in that list was Ticks and Leeches but they rarely play that live.

Yeah, dont think it'll be a regular setlist fixture anytime soon, be nice if they played it in London though :)

Most of the reviews all say MJK is more confident on stage, even coming right close to the crowd during one song

Yeah that is a great setlist, I would be very happy with that at Download (or one of the London dates if I can get hold of tickets).

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Yeah, dont think it'll be a regular setlist fixture anytime soon, be nice if they played it in London though :)

Most of the reviews all say MJK is more confident on stage, even coming right close to the crowd during one song[/QUOTE]
Thats cool, maybe APC gave him some confidence or cured his stagefright to an extent. The majority of shows I have seen has always featured Maynards back or side.

Man, the artwork in the CD is amazing, it is well worth the price of the CD just for that alone. The CD is growing on me, I doubt it will ever be my favorite tho. I don't know what I expected from the band to be honest. I guess I wanted the same feeling I had when I opened and listened to Aenema and Lateralus.

One cool thing was watching all the people walk around the mall using the glasses on the CD case to look at the artwork, each other, take pictures of each other looking through them and trying to find other duplicate items side by side to see if it works on them.

I heard one kid wonder aloud if the "glasses" would be good for burning ants.

Setlist was pretty good but no Wings!

Any bootlegs out yet?

[QUOTE=SonorKen]Thats cool, maybe APC gave him some confidence or cured his stagefright to an extent. The majority of shows I have seen has always featured Maynards back or side.

Man, the artwork in the CD is amazing, it is well worth the price of the CD just for that alone. The CD is growing on me, I doubt it will ever be my favorite tho. I don't know what I expected from the band to be honest. I guess I wanted the same feeling I had when I opened and listened to Aenema and Lateralus.

One cool thing was watching all the people walk around the mall using the glasses on the CD case to look at the artwork, each other, take pictures of each other looking through them and trying to find other duplicate items side by side to see if it works on them.

I heard one kid wonder aloud if the "glasses" would be good for burning ants.[/QUOTE]

Haha nice. I certainly got some looks. Just what Tool wanted, and defiantely something very special and original. My girlfriend called it a gimmick when she first saw it, but took it back when she actually figured out how to use the lenses and was amazed.

To that guy who's friend dosn't think 10,000 Days is a "Tool album" he's clearly a moron, and will probably be saying how good it is in a few months.

I bet they save Wings for an indoor show of their own, or for the big tour maybe. Wings will be amazing live, I know that much. I hope it replaces the D/R/T jam type deal.

i actually listened to something else for a change yesterday. I haven't learned anymore of Vicarious, but it will get done




edit : i think people that use the word "gimmick" need to be punched in the face

Who is supporting the US shows?

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]edit : i think people that use the word "gimmick" need to be punched in the face[/QUOTE]

I think people that citicise people for their vocabulary should be burned alive at the stake. :)

[QUOTE=Shadius]I think people that citicise people for their vocabulary should be burned alive at the stake. :)[/QUOTE]



its more of an improper word choice....

Criticizing vocabulary is basically saying they couldn't think of a synonym for anything

The whole album is amazing. The artwork and songs are amazing,

No words could describe this album

[QUOTE=clearvision]Who is supporting the US shows?[/QUOTE]

These first few are Tool only by the sounds of it

[QUOTE=andrewk2286]No words could describe this album[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE]...amazing...amazing[/QUOTE]

how about these

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]its more of an improper word choice....

Criticizing vocabulary is basically saying they couldn't think of a synonym for anything[/QUOTE]

Not at all. I can see how someone who just saw those lenses could easily find the word "gimmick", especially conisdering people don't automatically know what they do. I could imagine a band coming up with some interesting packaging to hide the fact their music isn't up to standards. I'm suprised pop music hasn't made advantage of more interesting packaging...

I don't know, I'm sure there was that rapper type artist who had two albums that went together and coincidentally the two big singles where on different CD's. Gimmicky.

Attaching lenses to a CD could be seen as rather gimmicky, but don't get me wrong, I adore them, and they do something extremely cool, and more bands should do interesting things with their packaging.


gim·mick (gmk)
[i]n.[/i]

An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project: an advertising gimmick.

It's only a bad thing if a band dosn't have the goods, and Tool does.

YOUR definition suggests a negative connotation.


again, i would say she used it improperly

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]YOUR definition suggests a negative connotation.


again, i would say she used it improperly[/QUOTE]

My definition suggests no such thing. My definition suggested being innovative which is a GOOD thing. The fact is, in that context it IS a gimmick.

The way my girlfriend used it wasn't positive, I agree, but when she realised what they did she took it back. Regardless, it's still a gimmick.

i would say it was a 'gimmick' if the idea was inspired by the people marketing the album, but that is clearly not the case here. It was an idea thought up by AJ. It was the band's decision to run with the idea.

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]i would say it was a 'gimmick' if the idea was inspired by the people marketing the album, but that is clearly not the case here. It was an idea thought up by AJ. It was the band's decision to run with the idea.[/QUOTE]

I see what you're saying, but that has nothing to do with something being a gimmick. Whether the idea came from the band or the label, it is still used to advertise and promote the product.

It's not shallow advertising, it's really good advertising. I bet they win a grammy or something for their album art.

yeah i was thinking about that.. must all gimmicks be bad? there is give and take in this one

Regardless of whether the lenses are a gimmick their purpose is sound and menaingful.

[QUOTE=cigaro88]yeah i was thinking about that.. must all gimmicks be bad? there is give and take in this one[/QUOTE]



well, the word "gimmick" is derived from gambling. It was a word invented to explain how they rig bets, roulette tables, etc.


If you check the definition at other sites, it will show you that the word "gimmick" is deceptive in nature :thumb:


shadius, your gf was initally correct with her assessment, thinking it was deceptive in nature, but upon examination, she herself found her claim to be false.

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]well, the word "gimmick" is derived from gambling. It was a word invented to explain how they rig bets, roulette tables, etc.


If you check the definition at other sites, it will show you that the word "gimmick" is deceptive in nature :thumb:


shadius, your gf was initally correct with her assessment, thinking it was deceptive in nature, but upon examination, she herself found her claim to be false.[/QUOTE]

Agreed in the context she used it in.

But there is a broader term for gimmick which can actually be innovative. The conatation, as you say,its usually negative or deceptive though.

Seriously though, Tool does need to be given some recognition for the damn packaging. What did they win for Schism, wasn't it a grammy for the video?

Makes me wonder what the people at Sony/BMG thought when Tool proposed the idea as well. I can see them thinking it would cost them more, which I guess is why not many bands do that sort of thing. Having said that, I bet so many people pick up that packaging and have a mess around, and then maybe buy it to see what it's like.

[QUOTE=Shadius]Agreed in the context she used it in.

But there is a broader term for gimmick which can actually be innovative. The conatation, as you say,its usually negative or deceptive though.

Seriously though, Tool does need to be given some recognition for the damn packaging. What did they win for Schism, wasn't it a grammy for the video?[/QUOTE]


recognition? shizz....

look at people like Kanye West. If i were TOoL, id try to distance myself as far from that persona as I really could. Honestly, I dont think a single person who bought the CD will be dissappointed. Their shows are sold out all over the US. If i were in a band, making exactly the kind of music I wanted to and had all of these things, I doubt i would want/care about any reconition


it would be nice for them to get something for their efforts, i wont say anything against that

I think when it comes to the context that you want to use gimmick in, a positive way, I'll just stick to the word innovative. It's a more complimenting term. I see what you mean though. It's nice to see a word always seen in a bad way in a new light.

Anyone know on the net of some place that has the art in kind of a standalone way? Like, just the pictures? I want to have some photoshop fun with that flaming guy. Not to mention the new eye.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

Tool have shown how much they care about record sales and their awards. I mean, they keep them in their toilet right? I remember reading that this guy who came over used that bathroom and got piss on their like.. gold/platinum albums.

lol.

honestly, i believe the vast majority of people that use the word "gimmick" havent really understood what it means, or where it came from. I think using the word "gimmick" is a gimmick in itself :lol:


its clear TOoL has no invested energy into their "status" in the industry, and thats part of the appeal to me

They take pride in the art + packaging associated with their releases.

This gimmick brings attention to it.

They have always been innovative with the packaging, with lateralus etc. This is just another step. But the innovation with the packaging always seems kind of gimmicky, but it's also used well so meh...

Will people walk past the CD and be like 'whoah wtf are those glasses'? I think so. It'll be recognised for the gimmick...

it will be perseived as a gimmick, yes, but upon closer inspection, they will be proved wrong, thus making it not a gimmick

This album is really cool. You know like the little things that you recognise from elsewhere. That sound between Wings and 10,000 Days. Wasn't that the sound that was played on one of the intro pages to like.. Tool Army or something for ages, might even still be on there. That thud and almost screeching noise.