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why do anyone consider Deafheaven and Alcest and this and that black metal

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i consider deafheaven black metal because they're fucking black metal

alcest's earliest stuff is black metal, but then that got shoegazy yeah

Deafheaven Alcest etc are NOT black metal




HOWTO: play black metal

1. blasted beats
2. tremolo picking
3. growling/shrieking about Satan
4. evil ambient wind noises
5. faster tremolo picking




HOWTO: be black metal

1. have an evil squint
2. burn churches
3. kill ethnic minorities and/or homosexuals
4. go to jail
5. make ambient music in jail
6. get out of jail
7. admit that you don't know how to play ambient music
8. play more black metal
9. build a cake
10. eat it with evil grin on face

joke kinda sucks

and yeah alcests demo is definitely black metal, and deafheaven is black metal regardless of the like 2 riffs they have that arent black metal riffs

there's nothing remotely black metal about Deafheaven
Alcest has a demo that's black metal, but it has nothing to do with the music they're making now, which also has nothing remotely black metal about it.

Slave Whipping Blasphemy are black metal. if Deafheaven are black metal, then My Bloody Valentine are thrash metal.

black metal is boring

Slave Whipping Blasphemy sure was a random example!

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375382]there's nothing remotely black metal about Deafheaven[/quote]
lmao

a band can be more melodic and less brooding than the originals and still be black metal

[quote]Alcest has a demo that's black metal, but it has nothing to do with the music they're making now, which also has nothing remotely black metal about it.[/quote]
okay

[quote]Slave Whipping Blasphemy are black metal. if Deafheaven are black metal, then My Bloody Valentine are thrash metal.[/QUOTE]
orchid is screamo, daitro is screamo, therefor as i lay dying is black metal. do you see how stupid your statement is?

oh and here, austere is black metal and doesn't sound like slave whipping blasphemy or deafheaven is your head exploding now?

black metal is not pretty shoegaze music with neato vox

black metal is ugly fucking evil GRWARWARSRRS

I find Deafheaven way more similar to My Bloody Valentine than to Slave Whipping Blasphemy

I haven't heard of Austere

shut the fuck up you needle dick

deafheaven is not shoegaze lmao

they have a couple of shoegaze-ish parts, but goddamn dude, you have to be trying to show off to some nonexistant elitists to deny that they're pretty much black metal with shoegaze influence

there is no black metal with shoegaze influence

the whole point of black metal was to create an uncompromisingly ugly music genre

it's the other way around

Satyricon are more black metal than Deafheaven LOL


also what about my argument is "showing off"

no one here likes me anyway so who am I showing off to?

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375406]there is no black metal with shoegaze influence[/quote]
:lol:

[quote]the whole point of black metal was to create an uncompromisingly ugly music genre[/quote]
that was like 30 years ago, genres evolve

[quote]it's the other way around[/quote]
no, because 20% of a band's music is not the majority of their music

[quote]Satyricon are more black metal than Deafheaven LOL[/quote]
well their earlier stuff probably

[quote]also what about my argument is "showing off"

no one here likes me anyway so who am I showing off to?[/QUOTE]
the stuff you're saying is like the shit kids say to please some black metal old head who can't take that music changes over time

genres don't evolve. stupid trends latch on to terminology. if Deafheaven are black metal, Jimmy Eat World are emo. same difference.

ok yeah I was showing off to the old black metal heads on the mx forum

genres don't evolve?

well shit

also Jake (Converge/Deathwish/whatever) calls Deafheaven screamo LOL

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375414]genres don't evolve.[/quote]
Minor Threat and Defeater sound the same.

[quote]stupid trends latch on to terminology.[/quote]
Yeah, this does happen, but you can see the clear evolution over time from early black metal to stuff like Deafheaven.

[quote]if Deafheaven are black metal, Jimmy Eat World are emo. same difference.[/quote]
Except Jimmy Eat World isn't emo, while Deafheaven is black metal.

Minor Threat and Defeater both share the key traits of the hardcore genre. Deafheaven and (early) Darkthrone don't share any key traits.

Deafheaven doesn't have eerie, simplistic tremolo picked riffs over blast beats?

Deafheaven has a cold atmosphere, mostly black metal riffs, blast beats, black metal vocals, and a few shoegaze-ish parts.

Therefor they're shoegaze with black metal influence, really?

they occasionally have tremolo picking and blasted beats just like Jimmy Eat World occasionally have upbeat songs with melodic riffs and shouting

mostly black metal riffs and black metal vocals? no

cold atmosphere? WTF

they're good but they ain't no black metal (or screamo)

I've been listening to the Deafheaven demo this whole time. Like 4 times through now.

These "occasional" black metal parts are the majority of the demo.

Like, fucking shit, even elitist morons on metal-archives realize Deafheaven is black metal aside from the like 5 minutes of shoegaze on the 20 minute demo.

by your classifications Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon must be BLACK black metal

dethklok is the best black metal band

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375426]by your classifications Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon must be BLACK black metal[/QUOTE]

You have no room to be sarcastic because you're arguing that 5 minutes is a longer span of time than 15.

And why do you keep on bringing up black metal bands that strayed from black metal? Is it because you heard a lot of people say "Dimmu Borgir" isn't black metal in reference to their new stuff or something?

I'm not being sarcastic

I'm arguing that occasional tremolo picking & blasted beats does not equal black metal any more than whining about girls and punk rock riffs equal emo

Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon were never black metal

they have been top of the charts in Norway pop metal material all the way

stop editing your posts five times a minute

you're cramping my style

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375432]I'm not being sarcastic[/quote]

actually that was a sarcastic statement

[quote]I'm arguing that occasional tremolo picking & blasted beats[/quote]
The majority of the band's demo. Not occasional, now I'm actually tacking up the frame of time the black metal parts take up on the album.

First song = 2 minutes of black metal, 1.5 minutes of shoegaze, then 2 more minutes of black metal.

Third song = 50 seconds of shoegaze, 2 minutes of black metal, 20 seconds of the shoegaze riff, another black metal riff for a minute, and then a shoegaze-ish outro that has that slower black metal riff continuing in the background.

Fourth song = 1:25 acoustic intro, into black metal riff that goes for a minute, transitions into another black metal section that goes on until 5:52 in the song, then it's another slow transition riff that goes into the ambient outro part.

The majority of the demo is black metal.
[quote]Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon were never black metal[/quote]
uhhhhhh, wow.

[quote]they have been top of the charts in Norway pop metal material all the way[/QUOTE]
okay, well i'm glad popularity affects genre

no it wasn't at all

sarcasm is "mocking with irony"

I wasn't mocking

nor being ironic


as per *your* classification of black metal, most of the demo is apparently black metal


that you think Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon are/were black metal is kind of a NOUGH SAID for me

u suck dick

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375436]no it wasn't at all

sarcasm is "mocking with irony"

I wasn't mocking

nor being ironic[/quote]
came off as mocking

[quote]as per *your* classification of black metal, most of the demo is apparently black metal[/quote]
I really wish I wasn't an insomniac, so you could realize like, that you're flat out wrong right now.

Once more, even metal-archives lists Deafheaven as black metal. Those kids are the most nitpicky fruitcakes about what "real" metal is on the planet.

[quote]that you think Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon are/were black metal is kind of a NOUGH SAID for me[/QUOTE]
You're denying that albums that most black metal fans consider classics of the genre are black metal... due to the bands changing their sound and being popular.

Makes me think that you've never listened to either band's early material.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7bCRG3CG0[/url]

If this isn't black metal, then what is it?

I don't care about the metal-archives people

Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon are classics even??? Dimmu Borgir were symphonic metal like Cradle of Filth. (no idea what DB play now.) Satyricon were weird slightly avant-garde folk stuff with flutes and stuff (somewhat comparable to the first Ulver album, and maybe Ved Buens Ende). now they just play heavy metal.

[QUOTE=christsimpson;18375444]I don't care about the metal-archives people[/quote]
Cool dude, that's besides the point of my statement. My point was that even the nitpickiest of metal nerds consider Deafheaven black metal... because they play black metal.

[quote]Dimmu Borgir and Satyricon are classics even???[/quote]
According to the majority of black metal kiddies, yeah.

[quote]Dimmu Borgir were symphonic metal like Cradle of Filth.[/quote]
No.

Cheesy keyboards != symphonics, and their earlier stuff doesn't sound like Cradle Of Filth, really the bands only get compared due to image.

[quote] Satyricon were weird slightly avant-garde folk stuff with flutes and stuff (somewhat comparable to the first Ulver album, and maybe Ved Buens Ende). now they just play heavy metal.[/QUOTE]
Avant garde? LMAO

And yeah, they have folky elements, but it's still black metal, Jesus dude.

the nitpicking metal nerds need to up their game then

I don't know what/who "black metal kiddies" are.

Dimmu Borgir were symphonic, just like Cradle of Filth's first album and Bal-Sagoth's first album. Cradle of Filth went on to become a goth/symphonic metal band. Bal-Sagoth went on to become a battle/symphonic metal band. Dimmu Borgir didn't really evolve at all (as far up as I've listened). they just got more accessible and "pretty". it works, but I'd rather listen to the battle bands (Bal-Sagoth, Summoning, Elffor, Nazgûl, etc).

Satyricon were *slightly* avant-garde. not nearly as much as Ulver or Ved Buens Ende. but they essentially played mediæval-themed folk metal with flutes. it works, but I'd rather listen to Bergtatt.

Yo. There's not anything symphonic about a keyboardist with cheesy tone ripping of NES soundtracks over black metal, sorry.

uhhh I think you have been listening to the wrong For all tid if you hear cheesy keys doing NES soundtracks

I think you missed the thing that happened years ago where everyone was talking about the dude ripping off old video game soundtracks.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O33vpC6Xfs[/url]

This is pretty cheesy/generic, kind of bordering on melodeath, but those keys are not symphonic in any way.

man i barely listen to black metal any more....just doesn't have the same effect as it once did these days it's all about dm/thrash to me

this happen to anyone else

christsimpson i have no idea who you are but you are a fucking idiot. don't even have time to point out all the stupid shit you've vomited. i will mention that you said early satyricon was avant garde, which is hilarious.

i think it's funnier that he's claiming early satyricon wasn't black metal