[QUOTE=ebe9;13492996]The fingerboard is unfinished indian rosewood.

I am currently using D'Addario Chromes on it and there is no wear that I can see.

It ships with roundwounds which is abit silly but I imagine for cost friendly, but I took those off immediately, they chew up the fingerboard pretty badly.

Stick with flats and it will last you a lifetime.


Also it pretty much defeats the purpose of a fretless sound if you string it up with rounds.[/QUOTE]


ill try and find some flats but may have to settle with nylon coated rounds, flats aren't exactly overflowing the shelves around here

[quote=funkyhoney;13492997]yeah, i'm thinking im gonna get an Eden 2x12, 500w, throw it under my 2x10, so i'll have 2 cabs both at 500w handeling. running at 450w at 2ohms (i think).

then if/when i need a new head, ill get like a 600w GK, Mesa Boogie, Gens Benz, Eden etc.

that should be fine right? a 600w head with 2 500w cabs[/quote]


Just remember that the wattage will be split evenly between the two cabs provided they gave the same ohm rating.

I.e.

Cab 1 = 8 Ohms (500W)

Cab 2 = 8 Ohms (500W)


Cab 1 + Cab 2 (running in parallel) = 1000W @ 4 Ohms


600W Head @ 4 Ohms means that each cab will be getting 300W @ 4 Ohms from the Head which should be fine.

Obviously don't do the stupid thing and run everything on full, otherwise you will be introduced to the wonderful world of clipping :p

[quote=funkyhoney;13493004]ill try and find some flats but may have to settle with nylon coated rounds, flats aren't exactly overflowing the shelves around here[/quote]


D'Addario Chromes are generally available the world over, they are one of the more common flatwound strings.


Worst case scenario, you order up a few packs online.



I still have the same set on my fretless since March I think and the suckers are still pushing the same tone now that they did then.

Great strings the chromes.

[QUOTE=ebe9;13493005]Just remember that the wattage will be split evenly between the two cabs provided they gave the same ohm rating.

I.e.

Cab 1 = 8 Ohms (500W)

Cab 2 = 8 Ohms (500W)


Cab 1 + Cab 2 (running in parallel) = 1000W @ 4 Ohms


600W Head @ 4 Ohms means that each cab will be getting 300W @ 4 Ohms from the Head which should be fine.

Obviously don't do the stupid thing and run everything on full, otherwise you will be introduced to the wonderful world of clipping :p[/QUOTE]


mmmkay, so i could then in fact run a 1000w head into those two cabs?

and will my 450w head provide enough to two 500w cabs? doesn't seem like it :(

[QUOTE=ebe9;13493007]D'Addario Chromes are generally available the world over, they are one of the more common flatwound strings.


Worst case scenario, you order up a few packs online.



I still have the same set on my fretless since March I think and the suckers are still pushing the same tone now that they did then.

Great strings the chromes.[/QUOTE]

hmmm, chromes eh.

i'll find some, and if not ill just get them online

[quote=funkyhoney;13493008]mmmkay, so i could then in fact run a 1000w head into those two cabs?

and will my 450w head provide enough to two 500w cabs? doesn't seem like it :([/quote]


450W will power two cabs of 500W, you just can't push them.


Best bet is to try and match the Amp power to the cab power, you can actually have a slightly more powerful amp but again just don't drive the speakers too hard.


600W should be fine, but 800W or a 1000W would be better.


Hence enter the Preamp and poweramp combo.



Personally all I would want would be the Eden 2X10XST cab paired with the Eden WT550 head.

500W should be more than enough for most people. And more and you should strictly speaking be going through the PA system.



Right, I have a meeting now so I will catch you later.

mmkay, later :wave:
thanks

I haven't smoked in 68 1/2 hours.

How good is this?

[quote=Polyamarous;13493167]I haven't smoked in 68 1/2 hours.

How good is this?[/quote]

And I bet your just craving that smooth flavour, then the sudden rush as the nicotine hits you bloodtream.

The way it tastes as you breathe it deep into your lungs and the immense satisfaction and instant gratification it brings.


You know you want one.








I like the darkside, I fit in here

Er... Roundwounds defeat the purpose of the fretless sound? Since when? The main fretless sound popularised by Jaco used rounds. They give far more warmth and growl to their sound than flats. I hear there are some flats out there that can still get that lovely growl sound though. Flats in general sound so much duller in tone than rounds.

[QUOTE=katana_manatee;13493276]Er... Roundwounds defeat the purpose of the fretless sound? Since when? The main fretless sound popularised by Jaco used rounds. They give far more warmth and growl to their sound than flats. I hear there are some flats out there that can still get that lovely growl sound though. Flats in general sound so much duller in tone than rounds.[/QUOTE]

i have no idea what strings to use :(

Hey people :wave:

yo :wave:

whats going on?

[QUOTE=funkyhoney;13493307]i have no idea what strings to use :([/QUOTE]

Rounds don't make nearly as much damage as most people think, at least as long as your not slapping it. They will form little barely visible marks but they don't have an effect on your sound or dig in that much. Nylon coated rounds or other types of coated rounds like Elixirs will be gentler on your fretboard and give you that classic fretless sound.

If in doubt, get the fretboard coated with a thin layer of lacquer, that will help a lot. I've been using rounds which are not coated on an untreated fretboard for about three years and the damage is minimal, doesn't affect the sound or feel at all. Basically there is a huge paranoia on fretboard damage that is really just that, huge paranoia.

You will make tiny grooves but it won't make your bass unplayable and after many many years if it is giving you any grief you can sand the fretboard down a little and have many more years of life. But by then, aren't you likely to have stepped up to far more expensive models with stronger fretboards anyway?

So go for whatever rounds you like.

[QUOTE=funkyhoney;13493326]yo :wave:

whats going on?[/QUOTE]

Not alot, I've been writing a bit more on my physics assignment. But lately I've been looking into a Xylophone made out of cowbells which I think would be singlehandly the greatest instrument ever created.

[QUOTE=katana_manatee;13493341]Rounds don't make nearly as much damage as most people think, at least as long as your not slapping it. They will form little barely visible marks but they don't have an effect on your sound or dig in that much. Nylon coated rounds or other types of coated rounds like Elixirs will be gentler on your fretboard and give you that classic fretless sound.

If in doubt, get the fretboard coated with a thin layer of lacquer, that will help a lot. I've been using rounds which are not coated on an untreated fretboard for about three years and the damage is minimal, doesn't affect the sound or feel at all. Basically there is a huge paranoia on fretboard damage that is really just that, huge paranoia.

You will make tiny grooves but it won't make your bass unplayable and after many many years if it is giving you any grief you can sand the fretboard down a little and have many more years of life. But by then, aren't you likely to have stepped up to far more expensive models with stronger fretboards anyway?

So go for whatever rounds you like.[/QUOTE]


touche'

good point, if i really get involved with music i will upgrade from an Artisan B4fl eventually.

i use nylon coated rounds on my current fretlees (POS jazz copy) and they work fine. hmm, when it arrives ill decide.

[quote=katana_manatee;13493276]Er... Roundwounds defeat the purpose of the fretless sound? Since when? The main fretless sound popularised by Jaco used rounds. They give far more warmth and growl to their sound than flats. I hear there are some flats out there that can still get that lovely growl sound though. Flats in general sound so much duller in tone than rounds.[/quote]


I am going on the factthatthe majority of fretted players will be using rounds of one sort or another and that fretless players would be using flats for the most part.

From what I have actually heard with rounds on a fretless, you are esentially getting a fretted type tone, which for me pretty much negates having a fretless.

I assume one purchases a fretless to get more of that fretless sound, not a fretted sound on a bass without frets.


Don't get me wrong, a fretless with rounds does sound good, but if I want that sound I would play my fretted bass. I bought my fretless becasue I wanted a completely different sound and by stringing it up with flats, that is what I have gotten, plus no matter how small the little ridges on the fretboard are from the rounds, they still bug me. I like the wood to be unmarked and able to show of its detail.

Most of the fretlesses I see in stores near me come strung with rounds from the factory... Even the ones without much coating on the fingerboard.

[quote=blizzard;13493388]Most of the fretlesses I see in stores near me come strung with rounds from the factory... Even the ones without much coating on the fingerboard.[/quote]


The reason for that is the cost of strings.


An "okay" set of rounds are a hell of a lot cheaper than an "okay" set of flats.


So it makes financial sense to ship them with rounds so that a basic set of strings is there to have tension on the neck.

Look at it this way, if you could save US$10 per bass you ship by putting on rounds instead of flats, and you ship 1000 basses, thats US$10 000 right there.

And of course the likes of Cort are shipping several thousand basses every day.

hmmm, i dunno, ill figure it out later.

i have big plans for my several basses.

[QUOTE=ebe9;13493386]I am going on the factthatthe majority of fretted players will be using rounds of one sort or another and that fretless players would be using flats for the most part.

From what I have actually heard with rounds on a fretless, you are esentially getting a fretted type tone, which for me pretty much negates having a fretless.

I assume one purchases a fretless to get more of that fretless sound, not a fretted sound on a bass without frets.


Don't get me wrong, a fretless with rounds does sound good, but if I want that sound I would play my fretted bass. I bought my fretless becasue I wanted a completely different sound and by stringing it up with flats, that is what I have gotten, plus no matter how small the little ridges on the fretboard are from the rounds, they still bug me. I like the wood to be unmarked and able to show of its detail.[/QUOTE]

Rounds on a fretless sounds very different to rounds on a fretted. How do you define a fretted type tone anyway? Just the fact it has a brighter, more harmonically rich sound? The vast majority of fretless players seem to use rounds, Jaco, Bunny Brunel, Marcus Miller, Gary Willis, Michael Manring... I can't even think of a player on fretless that doesn't use them. The who's who of fretless players seem to stick to rounds.

The standard fretless tone is characterised by roundwounds, so how can you say it goes against a fretless sound?

Also by your logic, would using flats on a fretted make it sound like a fretless?

[QUOTE=ebe9;13493406]The reason for that is the cost of strings.


An "okay" set of rounds are a hell of a lot cheaper than an "okay" set of flats.


So it makes financial sense to ship them with rounds so that a basic set of strings is there to have tension on the neck.

Look at it this way, if you could save US$10 per bass you ship by putting on rounds instead of flats, and you ship 1000 basses, thats US$10 000 right there.

And of course the likes of Cort are shipping several thousand basses every day.[/QUOTE]

apparantly they are shipping over 600,000 guitars a year.

not just Cort though, they build for Ibanez, Squier, Schecter and others.
the reason they can make things so cheap and have good quality is because they were one of the first guitar companies to see the potential in building out of Korea, South Korea and Indonesia.

apparantly botique companies employ them to make their budget line instruments to.

My mom let me stay home today. It was nice of her, but I wish she didn't because I'm gonna be really bored. I should've bought the RC 20 yesterday. Then I wouldn't have minded staying home.

Apparently I don't have school this coming Friday. :D

I didn't even know until today.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13493789]Apparently I don't have school this coming Friday. :D

I didn't even know until today.[/QUOTE]

PA day? All the schools here have that.

lowsound

Yeah, it's a PA day, I just didn't know about it until today. It was a nice surprise.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13493851]Yeah, it's a PA day, I just didn't know about it until today. It was a nice surprise.[/QUOTE]

Those are always nice, I am not going to school on friday. I am going away for the weekend so I am taking the day off.

lowsound

That's cool.

I hope my friend comes back from McMaster again this weekend. That would be pure awesome.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13493886]That's cool.

I hope my friend comes back from McMaster again this weekend. That would be pure awesome.[/QUOTE]

Party times?

lowsound

It always is when he comes back. :D