[QUOTE=Surf;13444226]no no no.

its either darkside or wish you were here. that is where the only debate lies.

meddle has only three 'classic' tracks, whereas every thing on wywh or dstom is 'classic'. therea a reason the poor tracks from meddle haven't been played by any of the bands members in the last ten years.[/QUOTE]

Lies! The only weak track on Meddle is Seamus. Every other track on there is amazing, though not as cohesive and theme based as DSOTM or WYWH. The songs on Meddle, in my opinion, are greater stand alone songs than those on DSOTM or WYWH, but the flow of those albums is what makes them great...

pillow of winds? poor counterpart to fearless
san tropez? throwaway blues song
seamus? just silly

fearless, echoes and one of these days redeem it

whereas everything on dsotm or wywh is either used to create a certain atmosphere (see speak to me and on the run from dark side) or just a good song (have a cigar and welcome to the machine from wywh), then coupled with some of the bands greatest songs:

shine on
wish you were here
breathe
time
great gig in the sky
money
us and them
brain damage

jesus christ. WYWH boring. What is the world coming to?

I disagree about Animals too. I love it. Probably my 2nd favorite after Wish You Were Here. A Momentary Lapse of Reason is the most boring IMO.

What you people are forgetting is that WYWH was Pink Floyd entering the realm of trashy arena rock.

I wouldn't say so. It's the first album where they started using synth-sounding stuff (Welcome To The Machine), but I wouldn't immediately call that "arena rock".

As for Meddle, I think it's great. "A Pillow Of Winds" is a relaxing follow up to the chaotic "One Of These Days", and they transistion perfectly. "San Tropez" is a cool song, has a nice piano solo. Just because it's not as spacey as most of Floyd's songs doesn't make it bad, it's just a little more on the normal sounding side. Both of these songs have cool slide guitar parts. "Winds" has like 80 guitars going on at once.

And yea, "Seamus" isn't really on par with their other stuff and feels out of place, but its not the worst song in the world.

I pretty much agree with what Burning Sky and the bus said.

Floyd aren't the ones that made arena rock trashy. Just because most arena rock sucks *** doesn't mean all of it did. Floyd was undoubtedly arena rock especially during the Animals/Wall period but they still ruled. The Who were arena rock too and owned.

I was watching my uncle's copy of the Pulse DVD the other day. The solo to Comfortably Numb was incredible imo. Much better than the studio version. But whats with that other guitarist doing a solo in Another Brick In The Wall Part 2(he might have done others but I didn't see it all)?

[I]Wish You Were Here[/I] as Arena Rock?

Latter-day The Who, U2, Def Leppard, KISS, that's Arena Rock. Heck, you could even squeeze Bryan Adams in there.

Maybe with some imagination [I]Division Bell[/I] fits into that category.

Never ever WYWH though.

I haven't seen Pulse in a while. It was probably Snowy White. Someone correct me please.

edit: that was to rippa btw :)

And the Gilmour stuff is definitely more 'Arena' than the classic material.

It wasn't, I don't remember the name but it wasn't him. Snowy White was the guy who did that music for the Animals 8-Track wasnt he?
Do Pink Floyd usually get extra people like that to play live? I noticed there was an extra percussionist and keyboard player as well.

After The Wall they used an extra drummer cause Nick sucks. They brought in the keyboard player at around the AMLOR era to help with samples and stuff. They have been using a second guitarist live ever since the Animals tour.

Riva wins. floyd are not arena rock

nick didn't even play the original drum tracks on momentary lapse, he got session musicains to do it, then learnt the parts in order to play it live

Pink Floyd were the ANTI arena rock. Did you not see Live at Pompeii? They're in this huge ampitheatre and there are no fans there. That's a statement against the whole culture of ear-busting, stadium-filling rawk if i ever saw one.

Well that wasthe reason of Waters' breakdown, wasn't it?

That fans were raging hormone filled people wanting arena rock?

In the flesh? Is so arena-rock.

I'd say that they started venturing into arena-rock around [I]The Wall[/I]. It definatly wasn't full-blown arena-rock, but still brought in some elements. They still maintained their unmatched Pink-Floyd sound.

another case in point would be the animals tour, and how it triggered waters to write the wall

long story short, a fan was being very annoying, at the front row. and angry at this, coupled with the distance waters felt was emerging between the band and the crowd, he spat in the fan's face. all of the members of the band were ashamed of this behaviour; so much so that they forwent playing an encore.

after this, waters became fascinated with the idea of building a physical division between the band and audience; what he felt arena rock, and the path on which the band were heading, was becoming.

and we got the wall, in many ways the antithesis of arena rock.
though performed in an arena, it is itself a comment on arena rock.

[QUOTE=rockinbass17;13452888]I'd say that they started venturing into arena-rock around [I]The Wall[/I]. It definatly wasn't full-blown arena-rock, but still brought in some elements. T[B]hey still maintained their unmatched Pink-Floyd sound[/B].[/QUOTE]

They totally didn't. ;)

Well, it's not like they began to sound just like any other arena rock band. One could listen to an arena-like song from The Wall, or albums afterwards, and still know that it was a Floyd song. Just a certain aspect of the songs that they right, it tended to remain regardless of the change in style.

[QUOTE=Surf;13450890]Riva wins. floyd are not arena rock

nick didn't even play the original drum tracks on momentary lapse, he got session musicains to do it, then learnt the parts in order to play it live[/QUOTE]

Why would he do that? Ive always seen Nick as a rather capable drummer.

Anyone here seen Roger Waters recently? He is touring Australia Feb next year, and I'm interested in knowing how good his show is. Apparently he plays a lot of stuff from DSOTM and The Wall, without touching much else. I may have to go see him if it's not too expensive.

[QUOTE=rippa32;13454329]Why would he do that? Ive always seen Nick as a rather capable drummer.[/QUOTE]

Because he isnt a capable drummer? Or at least later on he wasnt. As time went on he devoted less and less time to drumming and more time to his side hobbies (racing).

Its true. Nick Mason hardly played on AMLOR.

And lay off "Seamus." So its not a spacey epic song. Its David Gilmour having some fun with his blues roots. That is a pretty cool riff he's playing.

And what the f is arena rock? People always talk about The Who and Rush as arena rock, but I have no clue what it is.

[QUOTE=G_Mac07;13455716]Anyone here seen Roger Waters recently? He is touring Australia Feb next year, and I'm interested in knowing how good his show is. Apparently he plays a lot of stuff from DSOTM and The Wall, without touching much else. I may have to go see him if it's not too expensive.[/QUOTE]

When I went I remember he played this

Solo
Perfect Sense 1&2
Leaving Beirout

PF
Set The Controls
WYWH
SOYCD
Have A Cigar
In The Flesh
Mother
Sheep
Comfortably Numb
Another Brick In The Wall (pt2)
Fletcher Memorial Hope
DSOTM entirely

It's good show :) 2,5/3 hours I think. He's got Snowy White and some other very taltented guitarist with him :) It's worth it

He played Have A Cigar, awesome.

Holy ****. He's coming to Australia and I didn't hear????

I think it just got warm in my pants...

Tickets go on sale at the end of the month. Hopefully it doesn't sell out quickly, as I'm broke.

i put on the wall and listened to the whole thing in the dark with headphones on. havent done that for while, what a journey.

hmm, I wonder if I can convince my Dad to buy us tickets.... :D

That's the spirit! :thumb: