[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;18809434]except men and women should act certain ways around each other its is called being a man and being a woman[/QUOTE]

what or who defines what being a man or being a woman is?

I'm not trying to be hostile, I just wanna talk about something that is a deeper issue than a lot of people realize

[quote=Gorgon;18809442][B]what or who defines what being a man or being a woman is?[/B]

I'm not trying to be hostile, I just wanna talk about something that is a deeper issue than a lot of people realize[/quote]
nature.


literally your natural feeling around the opposite sex is how you act with a few minor tweaks to attract mates

and ron you can't take what the vocal public (which is generally retarded) as the authority on the cutting edge stance for a school of thought

case in point: the catholic church

edit:
um except this "natural feeling" is very much wildly different among different cultures
I'm not saying there isn't a definite, real thing that is masculinity and femininity but I'm just saying a lot of the shit our culture does is just tradition with no basis in reality and some of it is detrimental

[quote=Gorgon;18809445]and ron you can't take what the vocal public (which is generally retarded) as the authority on the cutting edge stance for a school of thought

case in point: the catholic church[/quote]
what major problems do women face today


i'm trying hard to think of any that require an entire movement


if anything men are being marginalized



[QUOTE]um except this "natural feeling" is very much wildly different among different cultures
I'm not saying there isn't a definite, real thing that is masculinity and femininity but I'm just saying a lot of the shit our culture does is just tradition with no basis in reality and some of it is detrimental[/QUOTE]

yeah sure other cultures may be slightly different and you'll see extreme differences here and there but almost all cultures have the same threads going through them.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;18809446]if anything men are being marginalized[/QUOTE]

alright pack it in folks

its convos like these that make me love ron even more than i already do

EDIT: he puts you hippie liberal fags in your place

women are payed less than men

women are preyed upon sexually because they are, on average, weaker than men

women are expected to do certain things in their lives in regard to career and their families and are scolded if they do otherwise


you have to blatantly disregard all the stats and anecdotal evidence to really think men are being marginalized

My one sister is like 3rd in charge in a pretty successful experimental surgery company, and she constantly has guys vying for her position openly attacking the legitimacy of her position in the company based on her being a pretty female. They feel that because she's an attractive woman, she can't possibly be as suited for the job as they are, and just has the job because the two guys in charge of her are into her.

I'm sure that's actually a very common circumstance involving sexism.

And Goran there is a really mainstream anti-masculinity movement going on right now, to deny this is equally as absurd.

I'm going to bed, bai.

lol

yes it is

and, most likely, if one of those men got that position and were (hypotheticallly) as qualified they would get paid more

on masculinity and femininity:
[url]http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029265[/url]
there is a universal, human masculinity and femininity but it does NOT include a lot of stupid things that are present in our culture

edit:
I know, mappy, I never denied that. I also think that anti-masculinity is stupid too

ron is scum, btw

[quote]women are payed less than men
[/quote][url]http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html[/url]


and even if this were not true, there are reasons why men are paid more. Men often work more hours and work jobs that are in fields where men dominate them and they happen to pay a little more


[quote]women are preyed upon sexually because they are, on average, weaker than men[/quote]meh w/e tired issue

usually it is someone close to them and sexual assault on men is probably pretty high too


[quote]women are expected to do certain things in their lives in regard to career and their families and are scolded if they do otherwise[/quote]welcome to a male's life since almost forever

what the hell how do you dismiss a point that like that with "meh w/e tired issue"

[quote=robertsona;18809456]what the hell how do you dismiss a point that like that with "meh w/e tired issue"[/quote]

okay well what do you want me to say about it


it is a terrible fact of life and no one likes it



not sure how you're going to stop it

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18809437]


Why is the realist having so much trouble accepting reality? :confused:[/QUOTE]

it isn't reality

the reality is culture keeps everything from moving forward

Saying there are men who rape women is as necessary a point to address as is saying there are women who seduce men for their assets.

Bad examples aren't good examples, and need to stop being brought up as anything other than absurd and reprehensible.

Okay bed for real this time.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;18809455][url]http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html[/url]


and even if this were not true, there are reasons why men are paid more. Men often work more hours and work jobs that are in fields where men dominate them and they happen to pay a little more


meh w/e tired issue

usually it is someone close to them and sexual assault on men is probably pretty high too


welcome to a male's life since almost forever[/QUOTE]

things are looking up then

and why do men dominate these jobs? generally because it's a huge circle jerk with reach-arounds galore

I'm pretty sure sexual assault on men would be at least anecdotally prevalent, and since it isn't I'm willing to say that it most likely is not as high

and yeah ok doesn't mean we can't change it to make mens' lives better, too

[QUOTE=Gorgon;18809449]women are payed less than men

women are preyed upon sexually because they are, on average, weaker than men

women are expected to do certain things in their lives in regard to career and their families and are scolded if they do otherwise


you have to blatantly disregard all the stats and anecdotal evidence to really think men are being marginalized[/QUOTE]

holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit :lol:

you're regurgitation of your gf's banter is hilarious dog

FUCK

only got 1% better on my second midterm for organic

ugh

@adb
she's never actually said any of that to me just so you know
I like how you think you're psychic

[QUOTE=adb;18809461]holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit :lol:

you're regurgitation of your gf's banter is hilarious dog[/QUOTE]

his gf tells him to say this shit? that is :lol:

[QUOTE]@adb
she's never actually said any of that to me just so you know
I like how you think you're psychic[/QUOTE]

oh so everything you've said is your own beliefs ???

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

that makes it even funnier

nothing turns a girl on more than a self hating man

[quote]and why do men dominate these jobs? generally because it's a huge circle jerk with reach-arounds galore[[/quote]nah probably because men are better at some things than women and these things tend to attract males more than women

(oh man sound the moral crisis alarm!)


women also occupy a lot of low paying liberal art degree desk jobs


If I'm going to build a house, give me men.


also men are more likely to work holidays and take less time off

you guys complain about me talking about business but it really does control everything

example:

females ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE SECRETARIES

females ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE CASHIERS

they are ALWAYS GOING TO BE FRONTLINE WORKERS IF THEY'RE SEXY to boost REVENUE

deal w/ it

oh know a junkie and a bulimic elf think I'm lame

what ever will I do?

god i mean w/e who cares but feminist beliefs doesnt have to come from a controlling girlfriend and they dont necessitate hating men

WHATEVER

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;18809467]nah probably because men are better at some things than women

(oh man sound the moral crisis alarm!)


If I'm going to build a house, give me men.


also men are more likely to work holidays and take less time off[/QUOTE]

yeah they are men are stronger than women on average so (on average, there are outliers, see brent lol) physical jobs will be done better by men
and men are generally more reckless so they would be better or at least more willing to do dangerous jobs


and yeah that's a bad thing they should be encouraged to take time off so they don't get an early grave from stress

I mean, I don't think these things are bad or extreme things to say. It is simply observation and looking at the nature of men and women.

lol ive been clean for more than a year try again bro

EDIT: @ gorgon