[QUOTE=Chu]I'm sure a lot of people hate Slipknot, myself included, but I don't see that as a reason to flame the members of the band for being something which I'm not (i.e. Good).
I can play most metallica songs, does it make me good? Nah, I'm far from it, there's a lot more to being good then just being able to play someone else's music (I'm sure you know that already..)[/QUOTE]

The only reason I was doing that is because everywhere the guy post he puts Joey on a pedalistal when he really isn't as good as vashts80 likes to think. Like the post where he posted all of those other drummers that are clearly better then him but then goes "Joey goddamn Jordison" like he slays them all.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Nope. Call of Ktulu>Orion

I was going to say Orion was too repetitive. But oh me! Both repeat riffs often. Buy I prefer the badas[size=2]s[/size]ness of the main Ktulu riff over Orion's riff, which runs a bit too slow... IN MY OPINION.

/Adds nothing constructive to the topic[/QUOTE]

123, I find Orion to long for the guitar work. To Live is to Die is magic though. I think I still like Ktulu over that.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]The only reason I was doing that is because everywhere the guy post he puts Joey on a pedalistal when he really isn't as good as vashts80 likes to think. Like the post where he posted all of those other drummers that are clearly better then him but then goes "Joey goddamn Jordison" like he slays them all.[/QUOTE]
Who cares? He's obviously not the best drummer in the world, I think everyone knows that anyway, but he's still pretty ****en good.

What's this talk about a funk/thrash album because of Rick Rubin? He also has produced Audioslave and System of a Down albums.

He is the perfect need for Metallica, its like a good sports team gone bad, and they need a new coach to change things up.

Those example IMHO aren't good but he has produced many Slayer albums. If it would be funk it would come from Rob but it won't be thrash. Metallica has said that they were one of the first few bands to have that thrash sound but they moved away from it as quickly as they could. People classify them as thrash but the only real thrash album is Kill 'Em All.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]Those example IMHO aren't good but he has produced many Slayer albums. If it would be funk it would come from Rob but it won't be thrash. Metallica has said that they were one of the first few bands to have that thrash sound but they moved away from it as quickly as they could. People classify them as thrash but the only real thrash album is Kill 'Em All.[/QUOTE]

agreed except of the getting out of thrash as soon as they could.

After KEA is was practicly heavy metal with some thrash roots in it(RTL to MOP) but with AJFA that album was heavy metal with very little thrash.

I dont think that they wanted to abandon there genre but then Bob came along and ****ed it all up. Its not like Cliff was keeping the Thrash in the band.

Well Bob couldn't have done anything himself. They did make all the music, and if they wanted to go different path they would have gotten a different producer. I'm quite sure they enjoyed what they have done, even with all the changes and every album being different.

[QUOTE=.:Thrasher:.]
I dont think that they wanted to abandon there genre but then Bob came along and ****ed it all up. Its not like Cliff was keeping the Thrash in the band.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say Bob is to blame. As said, Bob didn't write the music. However, he could have influenced them by telling them "it sounds good" etc. And affected the final recording of the song.
If you get what I mean.

[QUOTE=Five Magics]What's this talk about a funk/thrash album because of Rick Rubin? He also has produced Audioslave and System of a Down albums.

He is the perfect need for Metallica, its like a good sports team gone bad, and they need a new coach to change things up.[/QUOTE]

Rick Rubin did Slayer aswell.

[QUOTE=Five Magics]What's this talk about a funk/thrash album because of Rick Rubin? He also has produced Audioslave and System of a Down albums.
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He's produced Slayer and Red Hot Chili Peppers. This is where the thrash/funk idea came from.

I think he produces it acording to the bands style. Slayer are thrash and there CD's are purely thrash, Chillis are funk metal, and there CD's are very funk/metal. So i'd imagine Metallicas next CD will be [B]METAL[/B]

[QUOTE=SimonCore]I think he produces it acording to the bands style. Slayer are thrash and there CD's are purely thrash, Chillis are funk metal, and there CD's are very funk/metal. So i'd imagine Metallicas next CD will be [B]METAL[/B][/QUOTE]Chillis are funk [B]metal[/B]? I know they used to have a heavier sound than they do now, but metal is pushing it. I hope your right about the Metallica direction though...METAL sounds good to me.

Metallica thread on the second page...zomg:eek:

[QUOTE=Kyle]Chillis are funk [B]metal[/B]? I know they used to have a heavier sound than they do now, but metal is pushing it. I hope your right about the Metallica direction though...METAL sounds good to me.
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Well Funk/rock then. I dunno what would put them under?

[QUOTE=SimonCore]Well Funk/rock then. I dunno what would put them under?[/QUOTE]
chili's are funk rock, i'd say.
even if the next 'tallica album is just plain metal, it should still be awesome. even another album in the style of load/reload would be good.

[QUOTE=SimonCore]Well Funk/rock then. I dunno what would put them under?[/QUOTE]yeah, that sounds about right.

There isn't a 'Tallica album that I don't like, so I can't imagine me not liking the new one...specially with Rob on the new album.

[QUOTE=Kyle]yeah, that sounds about right.

There isn't a 'Tallica album that I don't like, so I can't imagine me not liking the new one...specially with Rob on the new album.[/QUOTE]
i hope they let him in on the writing process, the music should be really great if they do. it'll still be good otherwise, but if he doesn't get to write, they'll be missing out.

[QUOTE=Josh]i hope they let him in on the writing process, the music should be really great if they do. it'll still be good otherwise, but if he doesn't get to write, they'll be missing out.[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm sure he'll be in on the writing though. They seemed amazed at how good he was on bass when he first joined the band, so I'm sure they would want his abilities to really shine on the new album; especially after having quiet bass sounds for years with Jason.

[QUOTE=Kyle]Yeah I'm sure he'll be in on the writing though. They seemed amazed at how good he was on bass when he first joined the band, so I'm sure they would want his abilities to really shine on the new album; especially after having quiet bass sounds for years with Jason.[/QUOTE]
yeh, although Jason did help write one of my favourite songs (My Friend Of Misery), but i do wish you could here the bass more on his albums (and hearing it on AJFA would be good!)

'For whom the bell tolls' has the most bass on it i'd say. That's always a good opener.

Yea if you don't consider pulling teeth which is basically all bass.

Has Metallica ever thought of remastering their old albums so they sound better? I know they would sell a ton of copies of AJFA if they turned the bass up.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Yea if you don't consider pulling teeth which is basically all bass.[/QUOTE]
i love how when taborama.com was still up there was a lyrics page for that song.
"bass solo take one".

[QUOTE=Thor]Has Metallica ever thought of remastering their old albums so they sound better? I know they would sell a ton of copies of AJFA if they turned the bass up.[/QUOTE]
but they've made enough money already and Lars probably won't spend anything remastering the old albums.

[QUOTE=Josh]but they've made enough money already and Lars probably won't spend anything remastering the old albums.[/QUOTE]
Well they would make tons of their fans much happier if they did this. I'm sure they're perfectly aware of what people think about that album's mixing.

[QUOTE=Thor]Well they would make tons of their fans much happier if they did this. I'm sure they're perfectly aware of what people think about that album's mixing.[/QUOTE]
the album is still quite enjoyable though, but i suppose last time i listened to it was in my car, with bass on max, so i actually get the bass from AJFA then.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]The only reason I was doing that is because everywhere the guy post he puts Joey on a pedalistal when he really isn't as good as vashts80 likes to think. Like the post where he posted all of those other drummers that are clearly better then him but then goes "Joey goddamn Jordison" like he slays them all.[/QUOTE]

I never said he was "ZOMGZ GENE HOGLAN LOLZ". I said he's good. The "goddamn" was to put emphasis on the fact that Joey Jordison, somebody who's constantly flamed for being a "bad drummer", or a "mainstream horrible metal drummer" etc, is better than poor little Danish boy who can't even play his own songs correctly anyway. (Dyers Eve comes to mind.)

Edit: There's a difference between "remastering" and "remixing," guys. From what I remember, KEA-AJFA have all been "remastered." This means that they go back and use the original masters to produce the most optimal mastering job possible. What you're thinking of, when you talk about AJFA's bass guitar problem and fixing it, is "remixing." The album needs to be remixed so that the bass is louder in the mix. See the difference?

And there is also a difference between "bass", and "bass guitar." The bass guitar in AJFA is mixed to the point of basically being non-existant. If there was no bass in the mix, there'd not be much "uhph" from anything, because all of the bass in the drums and guitars would be gone. I'm a bassplayer and can normally hear bass in anything (if there's bass guitar in it), and I still can't hear the bass guitar in AJFA.

[QUOTE=Josh]the album is still quite enjoyable though, but i suppose last time i listened to it was in my car, with bass on max, so i actually get the bass from AJFA then.[/QUOTE]
Well I guess that could work, but it's still requires effort to listen to it. If Metallica kept their old mixing levels then the album would be miles better than it is.

But don't get me wrong, AJFA is a very good album. Blackened remains to be one of my favorite metal songs of all time.

[QUOTE=Chu]Ride The Lightning > Humanity[/QUOTE]

Fixxx'd

[QUOTE=Pan-Tallica]Fixxx'd[/QUOTE]
Only in a Metallica thread could you say that. :) :thumb:

[QUOTE=.:Thrasher:.]agreed except of the getting out of thrash as soon as they could.

After KEA is was practicly heavy metal with some thrash roots in it(RTL to MOP) but with AJFA that album was heavy metal with very little thrash.

I dont think that they wanted to abandon there genre but then Bob came along and ****ed it all up. Its not like Cliff was keeping the Thrash in the band.[/QUOTE]

The only real thrash album Metallica has is Kill 'Em All. After that they quickly moved away from the thrash scene. Ride the Lighning is credited as being a thrash album but it's not even close to being a thrash album nor is Master of Puppets or ...And Justice For All. Thrash wasn't there genre to start with so they didn't abandon it. Metallica is a heavy metal band and nothing more. Not thrash, power, progressive, black, death, metalcore, etc.

The difference between remastering and remixing is this. In remasters the artist goes back and redoes that album from the start. Same songs but with there current sound or better production quality. Remix is something they do to fix a song.

Metallica doesn't need to do any of that.

It'd be nice to hear a remixed version of AJFA, so I can actually hear the nice basslines, but you know, live versions work fine and stuff.

I think the fact that there is no bass adds to the attitude of the album. I have heard AJFA with bass guitar and to tell you the truth, it sucked.


And for the others who argued about Joey, he also sucks. He's imprecise with his double bass. If you want a good drummer, Vinnie Paul and Chris Adler do the job wonderfully.

[QUOTE=drummer_mp3]I think the fact that there is no bass adds to the attitude of the album. I have heard AJFA with bass guitar and to tell you the truth, it sucked.


And for the others who argued about Joey, he also sucks. He's imprecise with his double bass. If you want a good drummer, Vinnie Paul and Chris Adler do the job wonderfully.[/QUOTE]

Chris Adler? lolz. He's great (for what LoG play), I'll give him that, but judging Jordison by ONLY his Slipknot work is a crime, since it's a well known fact that as a band, they pretty much write [b]shi[/b]tty music. His work outside of Slipknot is a lot better. Really, you should listen to the RR United album, or whenever I get back on emule I'm going to try and find a bootleg of one of the Satyricon shows he played on.

By the way, Bobby Jarzombek wipes the floor with Adler and Vinnie Paul combined. Watching some of the things he does is like watching Nicko's drumcam. It's amazing.

[QUOTE=Pan-Tallica]Fixxx'd[/QUOTE]
I'll agree with that :chug:

I didn't like Joey's drumming on some of those Roadrunner United songs. They were ok, it sounded much simpler than his slipknot beats. Haven't heard any of his other work. On slipknot's songs, the drums are too loud, you can barely hear anything else, but that's probably better. lol

I like dave makintosh and anders johanson the most out of drummers. They're probably not the best, or anywhere near there, but all of their beats are good. But joey does get bagged too much, he doesn't deserve that much. Ah well.

Nile's current drummer > drumming

Joey just like Slipknot are overrated. If he was so good he would make his beats in Slipknot good. His beats are out of place with Slipknot's song contruction. Each instrument sounds like it's playing a different song.

You just don't seem to like anything infernus, on a serious note i think Joey's very talented speed wise, he's in no way the most creative out there but he can play incredibly fast on his kickers. Nile's drummer is insane :chug:

Yup. Joey does have good double bass speed.

BLS is saying as if there aren't other bands that do this. Many people do like slipknot's music, so it can be good to some. Just like how I don't like Dream Theaters music much at all, but I still know JP is quite good of a guitarist. Their music just isn't what I prefer to listen to.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]Nile's current drummer > drumming

Joey just like Slipknot are overrated. If he was so good he would make his beats in Slipknot good. His beats are out of place with Slipknot's song contruction. Each instrument sounds like it's playing a different song.[/QUOTE]
I think it works for the band, and he does make good beats. If you listen to him on their DVD he does some pretty cool stuff IMO.

[QUOTE=vashts80]I never said he was "ZOMGZ GENE HOGLAN LOLZ". I said he's good. The "goddamn" was to put emphasis on the fact that Joey Jordison, somebody who's constantly flamed for being a "bad drummer", or a "mainstream horrible metal drummer" etc, is better than poor little Danish boy who can't even play his own songs correctly anyway. (Dyers Eve comes to mind.)

Edit: There's a difference between "remastering" and "remixing," guys. From what I remember, KEA-AJFA have all been "remastered." This means that they go back and use the original masters to produce the most optimal mastering job possible. What you're thinking of, when you talk about AJFA's bass guitar problem and fixing it, is "remixing." The album needs to be remixed so that the bass is louder in the mix. See the difference?

And there is also a difference between "bass", and "bass guitar." The bass guitar in AJFA is mixed to the point of basically being non-existant. If there was no bass in the mix, there'd not be much "uhph" from anything, because all of the bass in the drums and guitars would be gone. I'm a bassplayer and can normally hear bass in anything (if there's bass guitar in it), and I still can't hear the bass guitar in AJFA.[/QUOTE]



I dont want to sound mean.. but.. you're a smart as[B]S[/B].