[QUOTE=P13;18384100]animals can't be cruel, cruelty requires conscious intent and animals (excluding us) don't have consciousness

and that's just cynical and ignorant[/QUOTE]

i think what he means is that they kill each other

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;18384094]dudes lets do another chat tonight[/QUOTE]

Can I come??? :D

[QUOTE=Aakon_Keetreh;18384103]i think what he means is that they kill each other[/QUOTE]

they kill each other for survival and for food. not the same.

yeah chat will be cool tonight

you can be cruel and not kill

[QUOTE=Tyler;18384101]well you could stop[/QUOTE]

It's not like I wanna be a psychologist who experiments on rats man. I'm leaning towards being a developmental psychiatrist, with the goal of medication being a last resort. Since stupid psychologist and psychiatrists hand out drugs to 4-year olds like it's not a big deal. Giving a kid Xanax because his mom thinks has bipolar disorder cause he gets upset before goes to school is fucked up. Everyone hates going to school for the most part.

your school sucks no wonder those rats need weed and coke :lol:

if kyle becomes a psychiatrist, I will pay however much he charges for my child to go to sessions and berate him mercilessly

luckily it won't happen

[QUOTE=P13;18384118]your school sucks no wonder those rats need weed and coke :lol:[/QUOTE]

Where the fuck did that come from? Ugh. I don't know why I'm arguing about this.

Edit@Deth: Then take your child to the like 65% of psychiatrists that hand out meds before they even diagnose the patient. And then maybe your kid will get Parkinson's from the meds, or overdose because the psychiatrist prescribed too much instead of actually trying to treat him/her.

durrrrrr

save the animalzzzzz

[QUOTE=adb;18384111]yeah chat will be cool tonight[/QUOTE]

i need to take a shower then and get all hyper. fuck ya

[QUOTE=Si1v3RfaNg;18384123]Where the fuck did that come from? Ugh. I don't know why I'm arguing about this.[/QUOTE]

because you're gathering useless data in an idiotic manner for research that has probably already been done and can be done in a much better way

[QUOTE=Si1v3RfaNg;18384123]Where the fuck did that come from? Ugh. I don't know why I'm arguing about this.

Edit@Deth: Then take your child to the like 65% of psychiatrists that hand out meds before they even diagnose the patient. And then maybe your kid will get Parkinson's from the meds, or overdose because the psychiatrist prescribed too much instead of actually trying to treat him/her.[/QUOTE]

idk if you could have missed the point more

[QUOTE=P13;18384129]because you're gathering useless data in an idiotic manner for research that has probably already been done and can be done in a much better way[/QUOTE]

We're not really doing it to prove anything, it's for us to learn how to do experiments. I know they already know how drugs affect us in relationship to environment. Its not like they have students at colleges do studies to make revolutionary psychological advancements or anything. They have us do it to teach us about it.

Edit@Deth: Nah. I got what you were talking about. Just been researching a lot about psychiatrists lately in America and felt like ranting.

i heard 3/5 college grads get a job in a different field than their major

[QUOTE=Si1v3RfaNg;18384133][B]We're not really doing it to prove anything, it's for us to learn how to do experiments.[/B] I know they already know how drugs affect us in relationship to environment. Its not like they have students at colleges do studies to make revolutionary psychological advancements or anything. They have us do it to teach us about it.

Edit@Deth: Nah. I got what you were talking about. Just been researching a lot about psychiatrists lately in America and felt like ranting.[/QUOTE]

this is like teaching chemistry students how acid rain works by making a shit tonne of SO2 gas and releasing it into the atmosphere

lol

[QUOTE=P13;18384138]this is like teaching chemistry students how acid rain works by making a shit tonne of SO2 gas and releasing it into the atmosphere[/QUOTE]

No that's just you making an over exaggerated comparison.

[QUOTE=Si1v3RfaNg;18384144]No that's just you making an over exaggerated comparison.[/QUOTE]

you mean like when you said it's okay to torture rats because all animals are super mean to each other?

[QUOTE=Si1v3RfaNg;18384144]No that's just you making an over exaggerated comparison.[/QUOTE]


your scenario:
"Hey, let's study the effects of drugs"
"How? By looking at the people who do drugs voluntarily now and in the past and seeing how they behave?"
"No, let's inject rats with drugs even though rats aren't good analogs for humans, and claim that this was necessary"

my scenario
"Hey, let's study the effects of acid rain"
"How? By looking at the effects of acid rain throughout history and today and looking at the chemistry in a controlled, realistic environment?"
"No, lets create a bunch and release it into the real world and claim that this was necessary"

p13's power ranking up this week

[QUOTE=P13;18384152]your scenario:
"Hey, let's study the effects of drugs"
"How? By looking at the people who do drugs voluntarily now and in the past and seeing how they behave?"
"No, let's inject rats with drugs even though rats aren't good analogs for humans, and claim that this was necessary"

my scenario
"Hey, let's study the effects of acid rain"
"How? By looking at the effects of acid rain throughout history and today and looking at the chemistry in a controlled, realistic environment?"
"No, lets create a bunch and release it into the real world and claim that this was necessary"[/QUOTE]

:lol:

lol damn son

[QUOTE=P13;18384152]your scenario:
"Hey, let's study the effects of drugs"
"How? By looking at the people who do drugs voluntarily now and in the past and seeing how they behave?"
"No, let's inject rats with drugs even though rats aren't good analogs for humans, and claim that this was necessary"

my scenario
"Hey, let's study the effects of acid rain"
"How? By looking at the effects of acid rain throughout history and today and looking at the chemistry in a controlled, realistic environment?"
"No, lets create a bunch and release it into the real world and claim that this was necessary"[/QUOTE]

What knowledge do you even have to say we can't use rats to help understand psychology? We've been using them for years to help develop new meds and study solutions for different mental illnesses, some of it veing very successful.

you haven't and won't, think that's one of the points

[quote=shortz;18384109]Can I come??? :D[/quote]
[I]pfffffttttt maybe[/I]

[QUOTE]We've been using them for years to help develop new meds and study solutions for different mental illnesses, some of it veing very successful.[/QUOTE]
But you're not doing this. You're basically just fucking them up for the sake of fucking them up and calling it psychology.

[QUOTE=Si1v3RfaNg;18384164]What knowledge do you even have to say we can't use rats to help understand psychology? We've been using them for years to help develop new meds and study solutions for different mental illnesses, some of it veing very successful.[/QUOTE]

meds for physiological illnesses != meds for psychological illnesses

how can you treat a rat for a mental illness if it doesn't have a mind

it's like treating a fish for numbness in its legs

[QUOTE=Deth;18384165]you haven't and won't, think that's one of the points[/QUOTE]

You guys are incredibly ignorant. I was just saying that we can use rats to help discover new things, I'm not talking about my experiment anymore. And this is fucking dumb. Who cares.

lol does silverfang have a problem reading or something every post flies so far over his head

we beat you in every argument you brought up, that one included so

I think you guys just google too much shit and accept it as facts.

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[QUOTE=Si1v3RfaNg;18384176]I think you guys just google too much shit and accept it as facts.[/QUOTE]

I think you're a hippy idiot who doesn't understand basic logic

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haz, I bought a spider today and want to start deep frying some shit

what's some fancy stuff I can do?

[QUOTE=P13;18384178]I think you're a hippy idiot who doesn't understand basic logic[/QUOTE]

I think you're an idiot who doesn't know anything about psychology or how to study things involving and is trying to argue about it. It's fucking dumb, you guys always argue, even if you have no god damn idea what you're talking about.

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[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;18384167][I]pfffffttttt maybe[/I][/QUOTE]

:( ... :) I'll accept that