[QUOTE=Bon_Scottie]The Beatles relate to the thread as he mentioned that the Beatles (just like AC/DC) werent superb musicians, but are emensly popular and made awesome tracks that sold big.

Agreed that AC/DC are talented for selling so much. I mean, how many true classic rock bands have sold that many albums? Fair enough the ****e that the music industry produce today might sell that much... wouldnt be suprised if that bloody Crazy Frog sold more, but true, true classic rock bands havent reached heights that AC/DC have.

... and as for stage pressence that was talked about, Angus just takes the cake. He's what makes me think "Jesus, I want to do that". Just found an old video of 'em preforming Rocker live, where Angus solo's, goes out back for some air and a drink, comes out on a blokes shoulders and goes into the crowd... comes back, on Bon Scotts shoulders, off... solo, fall to floor, spin around, get up, and finish.

Orgasm.[/QUOTE]
So, a lot of people do that. Think about it like this, Joey Jordison (Slipknot) get flipped upside down when he solos, he get moved around like crazy when he preforms. But does that mean he has more stage presence then The Rev (Avenged Sevenfold) who doesn't really do that much, NO. If I were to jump around like Angus and do what he does does that mean that I have more stage presence then someone who is a whiz at guitar, who can play anything, thats very diverse, who can shred with the best of them, but knows when not to play? NO! If you watch a concert that has someone going crazy that doesn't you might think wow he can do a lot of ****. Then you see a guy like the one I described who mesmerizes you with his skill trust me you'll think that he has more stage presence.

And about the whole not that many classic rock bands have sold that much, thats bulls[SIZE="2"]hi[/SIZE]t. Led Zeppelin have sold a lot, Cream has sold a lot, and so has The Who, but does that make them any less talented, no. And I'm not talking about in skill, I'm also talking about making popular music.

[QUOTE=Music Man]What I said was "AC/DC had a TALENT for producing enormously popular hard rock music."

And my statement is easily proven correct, by the hard fact that AC/DC is in the top five on the all-time bestselling rock groups list, with over SIXTY MILLION albums sold in the U.S. alone.

[B]Songs don't have to be complex in order to be enormously popular.[/B][/QUOTE]
The argument was that AC/DC had sold more albums then Vai and Malmsteen but that it wasn't based off of talent. And then you say "Oh yes it was" and then you go into some argument about how they are talented with selling records and then you contradict yourself by saying that AC/DC's ability to sell records didn't have to do with the fact they were talented.

Besides, how do you have a talent for making enormously popular hard rock? AC/DC only had maybe four or five records that were a huge hit, Back In Black, Highway To Hell, The Razors Edge, For Those About To Rock, and arguably Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap were their only big sellers. Are you forgetting '74 Jailbreak, High Voltage, Powerage, If You Want Blood [You Got It], Let There Be Rock, Flick Of The Switch, Fly On The Wall, Who Made Who, Ballbreaker, and Stiff Upper Lip. All of those were not huge sellers, but still good albums none the less.

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]So, a lot of people do that. Think about it like this, Joey Jordison (Slipknot) get flipped upside down when he solos, he get moved around like crazy when he preforms. But does that mean he has more stage presence then The Rev (Avenged Sevenfold) who doesn't really do that much, NO. If I were to jump around like Angus and do what he does does that mean that I have more stage presence then someone who is a whiz at guitar, who can play anything, thats very diverse, who can shred with the best of them, but knows when not to play? NO! If you watch a concert that has someone going crazy that doesn't you might think wow he can do a lot of ****. Then you see a guy like the one I described who mesmerizes you with his skill trust me you'll think that he has more stage presence
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Apolagies, but yeah, it does.

Its called entertainment. Sure somebody who's technically awesome on guitar would keep me entertained, but not as much as somebody like Angus who physically is all over the shops.

I guess its your own opinion.

Yes it is enternationment, but the argument we were having was that Angus didn't have the most stage presense of anyone which is not true. But yeah, to each their own.

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]Fricken lucky man. I didn't even know who they were two years ago though :(

ps I did meet Vai's whole band and got pictures/autographs with all of them :)

Look at this awesome pic.. [yes, thats me]
[IMG]http://tinypic.com/jgjqj9.jpg[/IMG] :cool:[/QUOTE]
Cool dude. Steve looks like a pimp. Did you get to meet Billy Sheehan. That dude is insane on bass.

I love AC/DC. Fourth favorite band. I only have their greatest hits, because I'm broke and CDs cost a fortune, so I downloaded their greatest hits, which is what I did with many bands except Pink Floyd and The Beatles.

Anyways, my favorite AC/DC song is Whole Lotta Rosie.

acdc is in my top 5 favorites

i have a lot of respect for both malcolm and angus. angus, obviously because he writes the solos and has sweet stage presence. malcolm, i think is one of the best rhythm players ever. writing simple catchy riffs is a talent in itself, because the riff has to be cool enough to be hardas* and not 'nerdy' but not so difficult that it takes away from the hardness of it. if thats confuzing, please note the uses of the words 'hard' (referring to the rock) and 'difficult' (referring to the playing)

thats not to say a difficult riff cant be hardas*, thats just the beauty of simplicity.

:confused: :lol: good luck with that one

okay, for me its pretty easy to write a complex (difficult) riff and make it sound cool than to make a would-be stupid riff to sound cool

but back to malcolm, hes great because he has the common sense that both guitars dont have to be going at once- he knows its ok not to play!

bon was great & i love him but i prefer brians voice

i play a little drums and happen to know the drum parts are pretty gay and i do think it would add to the songs if they WERE more complex -but it doesnt take away from the song because they are not

i hope im making sense, im new to this whole posting thing

[QUOTE=Insane-Mortality]acdc is way over rated...so is angus young[/QUOTE]

so is your mother..she was pretty bad

well what can i say ac/dc are very good. i don't actually sit down and listen to them but if a song comes on by them i am happy to get up and dance.:smoke:

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]The argument was that AC/DC had sold more albums then Vai and Malmsteen but that it wasn't based off of talent. And then you say "Oh yes it was" and then you go into some argument about how they are talented with selling records and then you contradict yourself by saying that AC/DC's ability to sell records didn't have to do with the fact they were talented.[/QUOTE]

No, I didn't contradict myself. You were clearly unable to intellectually comprehend my statements.

I never said their ability to sell records "didn't have to do with the fact they were talented." You have a bad habit of putting words in people's mouths.

I said they have a TALENT for producing highly popular hard rock--which they most certainly do. Only four rock bands in history have sold more records than AC/DC.

Big Ace fan myself, probably thanks to my father more then anything, Vinyl all the way.

I read an article that I found kinda funny. As good as angus is as a soloist, he actually says that he hates doing it. He thinks that Malcolm has way more talent than he does. Whether or not that's true is debatable but I found that kinda of humorous.

I like watching AC/DC and angus because they have a great stage show, but have great toe-tapping, grinding, driving, rock that not very many people hear nowadays. Not that I'd want a clone band or anything but I like them because they are unique. The other thing is that within a few secs. of any of their songs, you can almost instantly recognize them. That is a very rare attribute in music.

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]And about the whole not that many classic rock bands have sold that much, thats bulls[SIZE="2"]hi[/SIZE]t. Led Zeppelin have sold a lot, Cream has sold a lot, and so has The Who, but does that make them any less talented, no. And I'm not talking about in skill, I'm also talking about making popular music.[/QUOTE]

Of the HUNDREDS of classic rock bands, only FOUR in history have sold more albums than AC/DC.

So YES, AC/DC has sold MORE records than MOST of the classic rock bands in history.

Based on U.S. sales figures:

The Who have sold twenty million records, and Cream even less than that.

AC/DC has sold SIXTY-SIX MILLION records, about twice as many as the Who and Cream combined---and AC/DC did so in a lot fewer years.

AC/DC has also sold MORE records than Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, Metallica, Van Halen, U2, Santana, Journey and Guns 'n Roses.

So YES, AC/DC has one helluva TALENT for producing enormously popular hard rock music.

Out of interest what were the bands/musicians that beat AC/DC?

I'd say that Ac/Dc is one of the most important bands in the rock'n'roll history.
They changed the old way to a new more aggressive way of playin' e.g. guitar.
And Ac/Dc has the best Rythmguitarman in the world.I don't know anyone who can play such correct and always in the right way than Malcolm Young.
And Angus Young is a very good Entertainer and is able to play the guitar very fast and clearly.I think he doesn't play the best soli during the songs but if he plays alone he's such unbelieveable.
And even if you hate them you have to say that they've a very big world success.Every band which has so much fans like Ac/Dc or don't know GAR is very good.You don't have to like them but you have to say: "Yeah they've done their thing."

And I want to thank my father that he showed me his old LPs of Ac/Dc.

[QUOTE=Music Man]First of all, the words "amazing songwriters" and "amazingly talented" are YOURS, not mine. I NEVER stated that they were "amazing songwriters", or that they were "amazingly talented".

So please don't put words in my mouth.

What I said was "AC/DC had a TALENT for producing enormously popular hard rock music."

And my statement is easily proven correct, by the hard fact that AC/DC is in the top five on the all-time bestselling rock groups list, with over SIXTY MILLION albums sold in the U.S. alone.


Songs don't have to be complex in order to be enormously popular.[/QUOTE]

You're still think popularity=talent. Ac/dc is in no ways amazing or excellent songwriters. They stick to old cliche song structures and never try anything new. Also, appealing to American audience does not take much musical talent ex. look at mainstream media

I am not ripping on ac/dc this is the facts. I don't care if you like em or not but this is what the truth is

And about your last statement it's pretty much songs CAN'T be complex to be enoormously popular.

[QUOTE=Bon_Scottie]Apolagies, but yeah, it does.

Its called entertainment. Sure somebody who's technically awesome on guitar would keep me entertained, but not as much as somebody like Angus who physically is all over the shops.

I guess its your own opinion.[/QUOTE]

Unless, just maybe.. your actually there for the..... [i]music[/i]

[QUOTE=Angus Young]And Ac/Dc has the best Rythmguitarman in the world.I don't know anyone who can play such correct and always in the right way than Malcolm Young.
.[/QUOTE]

While I do enjoy his rythm playings, he is soo overrated. And person with a simple sense of rythm could play his passages. Angus just overrates him waaay too much.

Any band that sells that many records have to have a small piece of musical talent, and all these people talking about overated guitarists, such as angus and malcom, are always arguing about whos overtaed but really any great guitarists are over rated in someone elses mind.

[QUOTE=Music Man]Of the HUNDREDS of classic rock bands, only FOUR in history have sold more albums than AC/DC.

So YES, AC/DC has sold MORE records than MOST of the classic rock bands in history.

Based on U.S. sales figures:

The Who have sold twenty million records, and Cream even less than that.

AC/DC has sold SIXTY-SIX MILLION records, about twice as many as the Who and Cream combined---and AC/DC did so in a lot fewer years.

AC/DC has also sold MORE records than Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, Metallica, Van Halen, U2, Santana, Journey and Guns 'n Roses.

So YES, AC/DC has one helluva TALENT for producing enormously popular hard rock music.[/QUOTE]
He said that AC/DC were the the only Classic rock band to sell a lot of records I pointed out his mistake, read the ****ing conversation first before you post.

**** this I'm done with arguing with you.

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]Unless, just maybe.. your actually there for the..... [i]music[/i][/QUOTE]

... maybe my definition of stage presence is different to yours.

Like I said, its entertainment. If somebody is running around on stage like mad man playing tracks you love, you'll be entertained. I get what you're saying, but man... entertainment is the key. To have a greater stage presence than something like that just musically, the band has to be awesome. You have to be totally involved with the music.

My definition of stage presence is how much entertainment you bring to the stage, and much 'presence' you have.

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]He said that AC/DC were the the only Classic rock band to sell a lot of records I pointed out his mistake, read the ****ing conversation first before you post.

**** this I'm done with arguing with you.[/QUOTE]

What?

[QUOTE=Bon_Scottie]Agreed that AC/DC are talented for selling so much. I mean, how many true classic rock bands have sold that many albums? Fair enough the ****e that the music industry produce today might sell that much... wouldnt be suprised if that bloody Crazy Frog sold more, but true, true classic rock bands havent reached heights that AC/DC have.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but twenty million compared to sixty million is bugger all.

[QUOTE=Bon_Scottie]What?[/QUOTE]
He was saying that AC/DC was the 4th highest selling band to one of my posts, when the argument you were making was that AC/DC was the only classic rock band to make money.

Please for the love of f*cking god, can we stop the goddamn arguing?!

We, WE, you haven't said **** asshole. Just kidding but can you really have conversation these days without arguing?

[QUOTE=rippa32]Out of interest what were the bands/musicians that beat AC/DC?[/QUOTE]

1. The Beatles
2. Led Zeppelin
3. The Eagles
4. Pink Floyd
5. AC/DC

Name ANY rock band in history that isn't on the above list, and AC/DC has sold more records than they have.

To be number five all-time, out of all the thousands of rock bands that have ever existed---is pretty impressive.

Anybody who thinks AC/DC has little or no songwriting talent is easily proven to be a fool.

If something requires little or no talent to do, that means virtually ANYBODY can do it.

So why don't the self-proclaimed music experts who bash AC/DC, go out and form their own band? Let's see if our so-called "experts" can sell 66 MILLION albums, sell out concert venues on a regular basis for years, and become multi-millionaires with millions of fans on several different continents!

If it doesn't take much talent, then LET'S SEE 'EM DO IT!

Arizona Lover
 

does anyone know where Angus played Arizona Lover, If Its On any DVDs, and were I can get an MP3 or Video of it? If you have one, email it to me. [email]william.godbe@comcast.net[/email]

Anyways.

I Like Bon Scott Better as a singer, But there have been more good songs from the Brian Johnson era. I'm gonna list good songs from the different Eras.

Bon Scott Era:
High Voltage
TNT
It's a Long way to the Top
Dirty Deeds done dirt cheep
Big Balls
Let There Be Rock
Sin City
Riff Raff
Highway To Hell
If You want Blood (You Got It)
Problem Child
Bad Boy Boogie
Whole Lotta Rosie
Rock N' Roll Damnation
touch Too Much

Brian Johnson Era:
Hells Bells
Shoot To Thrill
Back in Black
You Shook Me All Night Long
Rock N' Roll Aint noise Pollution
For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)
Evil Walks
Flick Of The Switch
Guns For Hire
Fly On The Wall
Sink the Pink
Who Made Who
Heatseeker
The Razors Edge
Thunderstruck
Mistress for Christmas
Money Talks
BallBreaker
Stiff Upper Lip

So That's 19 to 15 for The Johnson Era.

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]What does that have to do with [i]anything[/i]?!

You're thinking popularity = talent. The best artists are the people under the mainsteam because they are too busy perfecting their craft instead of trying to get exposure. Also ac/dc is more popular because they can make 4 minutes (pop) hits.
The people who actually try to be original and try to break out of cliches never get the most attention since that's not what the average music listener seems to want.

Now quit talking and try some better comebacks[/QUOTE]

**** you. Do you really think AC/DC could have sould sixty million something albums if they wrote **** music? sixty million people worldwide can't be wrong. Face the facts: Angus young the greatest guitarist, stage presencewise, ever. Malcolm Young is the greatest Rhythym guitarist of all time, and is underrated. AC/DC has been able to stay together for thirty years, through the death of possibly the greatest frontman of all time, and release 17 albums. And I can say, without any doubt, that you have not listened to too many AC/DC songs. I know this because you say that all AC/DC songs sound the same. That's only true if you listen to a couple of them without paying attention.

[QUOTE=Music Man]1. The Beatles
2. Led Zeppelin
3. The Eagles
4. Pink Floyd
5. AC/DC

Name ANY rock band in history that isn't on the above list, and AC/DC has sold more records than they have.

To be number five all-time, out of all the thousands of rock bands that have ever existed---is pretty impressive.

Anybody who thinks AC/DC has little or no songwriting talent is easily proven to be a fool.

If something requires little or no talent to do, that means virtually ANYBODY can do it.[/QUOTE]
The backstreet Boys, N'Sync, Britney Spears all sold millions upon millions of albums, and they have very very little talent. But maybe they have a talent to sell records, if that is a talent.

[QUOTE=Music Man]So why don't the self-proclaimed music experts who bash AC/DC, go out and form their own band? Let's see if our so-called "experts" can sell 66 MILLION albums, sell out concert venues on a regular basis for years, and become multi-millionaires with millions of fans on several different continents!

If it doesn't take much talent, then LET'S SEE 'EM DO IT![/QUOTE]
Which self-proclamed "music experts" are you talking about. Also if you know anything about AC/DC then you know that they don't make music to make money, They make music to do it for themselves they don't give a flying **** about being popular, they even said they were trying to go back in a way when they made during the Period betwen FTATR and TRE when they were huge stars.

[QUOTE=willay]**** you. Do you really think AC/DC could have sould sixty million something albums if they wrote **** music? sixty million people worldwide can't be wrong. Face the facts: Angus young the greatest guitarist, stage presencewise, ever. Malcolm Young is the greatest Rhythym guitarist of all time, and is underrated. AC/DC has been able to stay together for thirty years, through the death of possibly the greatest frontman of all time, and release 17 albums. And I can say, without any doubt, that you have not listened to too many AC/DC songs. I know this because you say that all AC/DC songs sound the same. That's only true if you listen to a couple of them without paying attention.[/QUOTE]

Malcolm is not underrated.

[QUOTE=Music Man]1. The Beatles
2. Led Zeppelin
3. The Eagles
4. Pink Floyd
5. AC/DC

Name ANY rock band in history that isn't on the above list, and AC/DC has sold more records than they have.

To be number five all-time, out of all the thousands of rock bands that have ever existed---is pretty impressive.

Anybody who thinks AC/DC has little or no songwriting talent is easily proven to be a fool.

If something requires little or no talent to do, that means virtually ANYBODY can do it.

So why don't the self-proclaimed music experts who bash AC/DC, go out and form their own band? Let's see if our so-called "experts" can sell 66 MILLION albums, sell out concert venues on a regular basis for years, and become multi-millionaires with millions of fans on several different continents!

If it doesn't take much talent, then LET'S SEE 'EM DO IT![/QUOTE]

You're an idiot, I'm sorry. But out of just about every music genre ac/dc is one of the worst songwriters. They never try anything new and stick to verse, chorus cliches.
Just because someone is popular doesn't mean it took talent to make. I could write a one note song with just hitting one note and maybe could make milliions. It's all about appeal. Ac/dc just happened to come along when everyone wanted stadium anthems or 4 minutes rock hits, that's it.

But whatever, I'm done.

AC/DC isnt my favorite band but I still listen to them. I cant listen to them for long or ill get sick of listening.