Amen, brother. While other bands used imagry and illusion, the Who would just come right out and kick you in the balls.

The greatest things I've ever read are on thewho.net, where they compile all the reviews, both professional and from audience members, of all the shows the Who ever performed. The majority of the audience member reviews describe how the felt physically intimidated by the sheer power. That's just the music, and their presence, with (like JohnXDoe said), no costumes or anything. No bands do that today.

That being said, they did have showmanship. You can see that from Pete's windmill, and Roger's stage presence. It was that showmanship that caused people to feel overwhelmed.

However, dc, I have to admit a few bands today do give the audience a sense of power. Though the Who probably did it the best.

The group is just entertaining to watch. Pete flying all over the stage, Moon looking like an octopus, Daltrey screaming, and even Entwistle standing around looking uninterested (watch his hands rather than his body for some interest). In my mind they were the best show in rock music.

Yeah, I can't really say that no bands do it today, but certainly the Who pioneered that sort of performing.

Who haven't we discussed yet...How about a big hand for Keith Moon, everyone? Certainly he gave one of the most unique elements to the Who's sound, no matter how big his drum set was. It's funny that when he was young and totally hyperactive on the drums, he only used a 4 or 5 piece. Then, at the end of his career, he's got a gargantuan drum set, and he just couldn't play as fast or be as dynamic on the drums. Sad, really. I would have liked to hear 1969-1971 era Keith Moon on one of his later sets.

During those years, he did enough on his 9-10 piece kits to constitute two drummers. Though he wasn't know for soloing, you get the feeling that on Live at Leeds if the other three guys just stopped playing the left the stage, you'd have an amazing solo performance from Moon. The wall of sound he created is just incredible.

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]Amen, brother. While other bands used imagry and illusion, the Who would just come right out and kick you in the balls.

The greatest things I've ever read are on thewho.net, where they compile all the reviews, both professional and from audience members, of all the shows the Who ever performed. The majority of the audience member reviews describe how the felt physically intimidated by the sheer power. That's just the music, and their presence, with (like JohnXDoe said), no costumes or anything. No bands do that today.[/QUOTE]

It's true. There music was [I]physical[/I]. It hit you right between the eyes. And still does. I think everyone here would enjoy The Who Live in Boston. Rent it or pick it up for $10 on Amazon.com, where you will also find reviews from fans. They are just great. Tommy is represented in the encores and there is a meloncholy Quadrophenia section in the middle. A great re-thought version of Sea & Sand is included. Somewhat low key. And an outstanding Another Tricky Day and The Kid's Are Alright, too. As well as Bargain, Eminence Front, and Relay. The whole thing is good.

The Who are what I have really based all my other [I]favorite[/I] bands on. From [B]X[/B] to The Clash to The Replacemnts to The Pixies, these were and are still bands who will kick your a[COLOR=WHITE]ss[/COLOR] and save the BS for some other band. Man I love The Who. As a fan they have given more to me then any other band.

He left conventional drumming at the door. Those two booming bass drums were a huge help in making the sound. There's a part at the Isle of Wight, during the melody of Shakin' All Over/Spoonful/Twist and Shout. I think it's after spoonful. Anyways, he just lets loose with this thunderous beat while Pete solos over top of it. It's really like never ending, rolling thunder.

One of his more used techniques was his triplets between bass and two toms. He inserted those into songs like none other. Those and countless other rolls and fills where any other drummer would just use the high hat to keep a beat.

I think Keith Moon had a different, and really good, idea of what drums were back in his glory days. He used his three cymbals as punctuation, and alot of times just kept the beat using the toms and the snare.

Good drummer.

He was a very special character to say the least.

His impeccable timing and actually good sense of touch and melody are often underrated. Tommy, for example, is packed with great drumming, constant fills and so on, yet the drums never over-power the song and ruin it. He managed to make his style fit in perfectly.

His great timing again can be found just on Tommy. Take, for example, Sparks and the Underture. The rhythm my appear easy, but I've tried to play it numerous times and it is much more difficult than it sounds. It is very unconvential but yet again he was able to deploy his natural style to a complex timing scheme and make it work.

Hey Cowboy, have you seen Who TV?

[url]http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/[/url]

There is a rare Moon drum solo included. Although I think he has a bit of help from a bongo player. Whom you never see. In any case, for all intents and purposes it's a solo. The footage is played in a loop so you have to wait for it to roll around. But the wait isn't that long.

Yeah, I've checked out that Who TV. Is the solo the one with the clear drumset? And the fish in one of the floor toms? Now there's a wall of sound.

Some of the stuff on who TV is a little weird. That being the "Tommy party", where some kid sings Pinball Wizard, rather badly, accompanied by a backing band and Pete on guitar. There's a whole sh[i]i[/i]tload of good stuff though. I wish they put "Naked Eye" on the Isle of Wight dvd, though. It's one of my favourite Who songs.

I wish they had Naked Eye and Amazing Journey/Sparks on the Isle of Wight Dvd.

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]Some of the stuff on who TV is a little weird. That being the "Tommy party", where some kid sings Pinball Wizard, rather badly, accompanied by a backing band and Pete on guitar.[/QUOTE]

You aren't referring to the Tommy movie excerpt with Elton John singing are you?

Nope. It's some home video type deal of some british kid singing it. I can't make heads or tails out of it.

Ok, I haven't seen that part. I was figuring you'd recognize the Tommy movie part anyway.

Hey Lunch, what's up? I'm listening to Tommy!! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]Hey Lunch, what's up? I'm listening to Tommy!! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Eh, you know, same old. I finally got my own actual copy of The Who By Numbers today. What's with the sarcastic smilie?

[QUOTE=Lunch]Eh, you know, same old. I finally got my own actual copy of The Who By Numbers today. What's with the sarcastic smilie?[/QUOTE]

The smile means I'm [I]trying[/I] to listen to Tommy. I may just stick to the live versions. Great album, The Who By Numbers. Even better when you have your own copy. I love How Many Friends, Dreaming From The Waist, and Blue, Red, and Gray. As well as Slip Kid and Squeeze Box. The whole thing is good, IMO. Did you get the one with the live bonus tracks? I really like the live Squeeze Box.

Yea, I've heard it multiple times, just never had my own copy. Really good underrated album though.

dreaming from the waist has some great bass work.

That tends to come standard with Who songs.

That new Who movie has official webiste and new messageboard.....

[url]http://www.thewhomovie.com/community/index.php[/url]

just in case some people didn't know

From what I can tell it's quite obviuous we wont be seeing rare material
such as 1970 Denver and/or Detorit, Saratoga 1971 etc. They seem to want rare stuff given for free and that ain't gonna happen hence we get **** shows like Kilbun because they own it already
Shame.... wasted opportunity

[QUOTE=Lunch]The group is just entertaining to watch. Pete flying all over the stage, Moon looking like an octopus, Daltrey screaming, and even Entwistle standing around looking uninterested (watch his hands rather than his body for some interest). In my mind they were the best show in rock music.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the first time I saw a Who video, I was initially unimpresseded by Entwistle untill I started watching his hands.

About the movie, it looks pretty cool.

[QUOTE=wanderer]That new Who movie has official webiste and new messageboard.....

[url]http://www.thewhomovie.com/community/index.php[/url]

just in case some people didn't know

From what I can tell it's quite obviuous we wont be seeing rare material
such as 1970 Denver and/or Detorit, Saratoga 1971 etc. They seem to want rare stuff given for free and that ain't gonna happen hence we get **** shows like Kilbun because they own it already
Shame.... wasted opportunity[/QUOTE]


Hey, thanks for all the info on this project. Although I know you are firmly opposed to it. And thanks for the link. I'm gonna sign up and copy and paste this entire thread over there. :p Spam it up real good :)

I really like how on Live at Leeds you can hear the awesome bass really well.

[QUOTE=clown_phobia]I really like how on Live at Leeds you can hear the awesome bass really well.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, nobody plays like Entiwistle (AKA, bump.)

[SIZE=5][B]Top Twelve Favorite Who Songs:[/B][/SIZE] (in no particular order)

Another Tricky Day
Who Are You
Won't Get Fooled Again
Dreaming From The Waist
I Can't Expain
Long Live Rock
Going Mobile
Red, Blue, And Gray
Amazing Journey
Subsitute
Don't Let Go The Coat
The whole of Quadrophenia

[SIZE=5][B]Top Six Most Hated Who Songs:[/B][/SIZE]

Magic Bus
I Can See For Miles
Cooks County
Boris The Spider
Did You Steal My Money
Pinball Wizard


So now post your own list. It doesn't have to be as long. Get Working! :p

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]Magic Bus
I Can See For Miles
Boris The Spider
Pinball Wizard[/QUOTE]

Come on, these are classics :p

Favorites:
Amazing Journey
Sparks
Underture
We're Not Gonna Take It
Armenia, City in the Sky
My Generation
The Real Me
Heaven and Hell
Young Man Blues
Love Reign O'Er Me
Won't Get Fooled Again
The Relay
HM: The Seeker, Naked Eye, Quadrophenia, Slip Kid, Can't Explain, Rael

Least Favorites:
Bucket T
Barbara Ann
Tommy's Holiday Camp
Most songs from Who Are You or post-Moon Who.

Favorites:

Won't Get Fooled Again
My Generation
Behind Blue Eyes
Join Together
How Many Friends
Slip Kid
Overture
Amazing Journey/ Sparks
Acid Queen
Pinball Wizard
I'm Free
We're Not Gonna Take It

I'm too lazy to list more.

6 I hate

1921
Fiddle About
Boris the Spider
905
Love Is Coming Down
Sister Disco

Yes, they are classics. But those really are my least favorite. Taken outta context Pinball Wizard is plain silly. And Magic Bus? I just flat out can't stand it. Boris The Spider? John should of stuck to things like My Wife and Heaven And Hell. I Can See For Miles? And miles, and miles, and miles, and miles, and miles, and miles, and mi.......well, you get the picture.

Plus I'm trying to stir up a little controversy to get this thread moving again. :p

[B][SIZE=5]Top Twelve Favorite Who Songs:[/SIZE][/B] (in no particular order)

Another Tricky Day
Who Are You
Won't Get Fooled Again
Dreaming From The Waist
I Can't Expain
Long Live Rock
Going Mobile
Red, Blue, And Gray
Amazing Journey
Subsitute
Don't Let Go The Coat
The whole of Quadrophenia

[B][SIZE=5]Top Six Most Hated Who Songs:[/SIZE][/B]

Magic Bus
I Can See For Miles
Cooks County
Boris The Spider
Did You Steal My Money
Pinball Wizard


So now post your own list. It doesn't have to be as long. Get Working!

Ok, heres my list:

Favorites:
(In no order)
Won't get Fooled Again
The Real Me
Behind Blue Eyes
We're Not Gonna Take It
Love Reign O're Me
5'15
Bargain
My Generation
Substitute
Acid Queen
Long Live Rock
Summertime Blues
Sparks
The Seeker
Baba O'Riley

Least Favorite:
Sister Disco
You Better You Bet
1925
Tommy's Holiday Camp (hardly even a song)
Bucket T
Anyway, Anywhere, Anyhow

Fav's:
Trick of the Light
Who Are You
The Music Must Change
Slip Kid
However Much I Booze
Drowned
5:15
The Punk and the Godfather
Won't Get Fooled Again
Bargain
Naked Eye
Overture
Go to the Mirror
Armenia City in the Sky
A Quick One, While He's Away
My Generation

Least Fav's:
Real Good Looking Boy
Squeeze Box
The Dirty Jobs
Marry Ann with the Shakey Hands

The latter list is much shorter than the first, of course.

I like Mary Anne with the Shakey Hands, 1921, Anyway,Anyhow,Anywhere, I Can See For Miles, Magic Bus, Pinball Wizard and Boris the Spider.

Hello Who fans. I'm afraid Pete has been taking a bit of a beating around the board today. In a thread about the windmill and how to do it in another forum, the talk turned to Townshend (of course) and then to his child po[COLOR=WHITE]rn[/COLOR] arrest. Of course the snide remarks were made and he was called a "pedo" more then once. Which bothered me. I want to post what I wrote in one of my replies and see what you think:

[I]"Well he admitted to seeking it out in doing research for his autobiography. And records show he did not spend much time browsing and did not download any images. He was merely trying to get closer to his subject as a writer. His mistake perhaps was in thinking it would be understood because of who he is. He has no history of this sort of thing and has always done work for victimized children and women. I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt concerning viewing a few photographs. It doesn't make him sick or a monster. He made a mistake. And no malice was intended.'[/I]

That's how I see it and that's how I believe it. Lunch, robo, obi one, drugstore cowboy, Pink, R n R, and the rest of you, I want to know what you think about this? Or how you feel? When my girlfriend told me the news that day I knew it was not true, so to speak. The assumption that he was a pedophile, that is. I just knew it. Never had a doubt, and still don't. And this is just the way it is with me and Pete. How 'bout you guys?

Also I would like to say if you are not a regular of The Who thread and want to express your thoughts on the subject, you are more then welcome, of course. But know that this is a Featured Artist thread and spamming, flaming, and trolling will not be tolerated. That's not what we do here. No matter the subject. Discussion and discourse is welcome, but keep it constructive and do not disrespect other posters. That's it.

Hehe, just a little side note Pete "stole" the windmill from Keith Richards after seeing him at a show, oddly enough when Richards heard that he is were Pete got the windmill he said "I don't f[I]u[/I]cking wave my arm like that" or something along those lines.

I read his (Petes') autobiography awhile ago and it talks alot about when he was a kid getting sexually abused by his uncle(? been so long since I read it) and that Tommy is about his life and the Uncle song was about Uncle molesting him. I think its just crazy how they think he could even be like that.

[quote]"Well he admitted to seeking it out in doing research for his autobiography. And records show he did not spend much time browsing and did not download any images. He was merely trying to get closer to his subject as a writer. His mistake perhaps was in thinking it would be understood because of who he is. He has no history of this sort of thing and has always done work for victimized children and women. I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt concerning viewing a few photographs. It doesn't make him sick or a monster. He made a mistake. And no malice was intended.[/quote]

Yes, I agree. Tons of people make terrible mistakes and this is just one of those. It doesn't make him sick or evil, just another flawed individual who happens to be an amazing songwriter.

Oh, and do you know how stupid I am? I listed 1921 as 1925 for some reason a few posts above...

[QUOTE=Jacaranda]Hehe, just a little side note Pete "stole" the windmill from Keith Richards after seeing him at a show, oddly enough when Richards heard that he is were Pete got the windmill he said "I don't f[I]u[/I]cking wave my arm like that" or something along those lines.[/QUOTE]

I'm reading [I]Before I Get Old[/I] right now, and that was in there. When Pete new the Stones were seeing them, he never did the windmill because he was affraid Richards would see and get angry for being copied. As you said, Keith had no clue the windmill was based on his movements and never thought Townshend lifted it from him.

About the Townshend issue, I don't know very much about it. It seems easily possible to believe it was a mistake with no harm done or intended, and I can't point a finger him. He's Pete Townshend, I post on MX.

So, as to the lyrics for Won't Get Fooled Again, when Daltrey sings:

"The parting on the left/is now parting on the right",

is this a reference to the person getting older, so they now have a comb-over, rather than a natural part, or is this saying that instead of being liberal, the person is now conservative?

i would think that the libera/conservative message was meant more.

You know Heavy Riva, I think you are on to something about the comb over thing. Although many mistake the "parting on the left/right lyric as a political sentiment, their would seem to be evidence to the contrary. Exibit A, for example:

[url]http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=petemale6kz.jpg[/url]

I rest my case. :p