Sup classical thread?

I've been jonesin for some classical, so I tracked down my copies of Scheherazade (i think i spelled it right.) Some Mahler and the Planets. Sadly, that's most of what I've got, save for some brass quint stuff, which I'm listening to right now. It's Canadian Brass, playing the Beatles' songs. Indeed good listenings.

On my next outting, I'm gonna pick up some Puccini, maybe Tosca if I can find it. Opera really gets me going. I think that's a good starting point. Yes.

Ok.

Take care thread!

[QUOTE=jazzlife]In fact Rachmaninoff himself wasn't that pleased with the work (as with many other of his works), although it is a very nice example of Rachmaninoff's music[/QUOTE]
It is - but he did a major rewrite much later in life (after the 2nd and 3rd).

I'd love to get a chance to hear some Berg, Schonberg, etc.; I've never heard any but I've read about them. I haven't had all that much exposure to a lot of 20th century "classical" music.

telemore - listen (and see if you can) Shostakovich's "Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk"

PianoDan - if you have DC++, I have really much 20th century music, from late Scriabin to modern Avant-garde.

no im talking about worldwide mayb research it a bit more

up until about 1950s ppl didnt study "composition" they studied counterpoint

also if u have done ne study on counterpoint u will know that if u understand species counterpoint u understand harmony very well


even when schoenberg was teachin students includin webern and berg he had all his students study strict traditional counterpoint and nothing else for years

[QUOTE=jazzlife]That's what it sounded like in the biographies i read, i could off course be really mistaken...

anyways, the point is....[/QUOTE]

yeah you are right

as i said composers in those days studied "counterpoint" not "composition"

[QUOTE=Iai]Alban Berg's Violin Concerto is fast becoming one of my all-time favourite pieces.[/QUOTE]

yeah berg is probly my favourite composer right now

his violin concerto yeah thats a true masterpeice

but my favourite work of his at the moment is his opus 1 piano sonata

tru genius its surely the most amazing opus 1 ever written

hey, can any of u recommend some classical music thats sort of like dark and gloomy

yeuh Maurice Ravel - Bolero

yeah ive got that i think. any requiems, they dont tend to me on the happy side

yeuh wat about alban berg violin concerto that we were talking about earlier then

il check it out, thanks

So what do y'all think of contemporary classical music? This weekend I heard lots of contemporary music for percussion (mainly marimba) and I must say I'm not quite sure if I like it or not. Some pieces have an immensely beautiful basis but then it can all be ruined by a series a dissonant chords and stuff. Other songs are just dissonance all over...

[QUOTE=aria8789464]no im talking about worldwide mayb research it a bit more

up until about 1950s ppl didnt study "composition" they studied counterpoint

also if u have done ne study on counterpoint u will know that if u understand species counterpoint u understand harmony very well


even when schoenberg was teachin students includin webern and berg he had all his students study strict traditional counterpoint and nothing else for years[/QUOTE]

well were talking about Rachmaninov... and he was in Russia...

what you want me to research? the print date of my book?

maybe what they studied was name "counterpoint" instead of "composition" but nevertheless, im pretty sure that the harmony book I have was printed for a reason, not to lie on shelves for 60 years.

man ftw u and i seem to be getting in argument everytime we see each other post

I remember the first piece of classical music I really got into was Pachelbel's Canon. It really is a true masterpiece.
My favourite piece is probabliy the 1st movement of[B] Symphony Fantastique [/B]by [B]Berlioz[/B]
It is truly incredible!

Don't you hate the way companies seem to sell classical masterpieces as spin-offs of Films and Pop songs!
I have compilation CD that merits Canon on being the inspiration for a Kylie Minogue song and one that merits Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue on being the tune from the film 'Manhatten.'

yeuh and everytime i seem to win

like jus then

yeuh no doubt harmony books existed nobody argued against that i dont think but composers studied counterpoint prety strctily

i thought that was common knowledge obviously not

well... you know... nobody said that they didn't study counterpoint... all I said was they study harmony and form along with counterpoint...

"just then" is when?

u lose everytime cuz ur prisoner llaolaoalooal

u ok so u lose so u change ur argument ok

dood i pwn u everytime an im sure u know it

hhahahaa

i just realized that there is nothing to argue about... except how it was called... which isnt worth arguing because on every russian biography of his it says he studied composition with Taneev (the guy who wrote the book on counterpoint)

so yer

u never pwn lol

omg i c u on aim

ok so whats everyone been digging lately

ive just been listening to gustav holst - the planets today after not listening to it for a few months

yeuh its really good music

what about u guys

Been listening to plenty of Liszt lately myself.

I have been really into Beethoven lately.

I don't know if any of the people that post on here have listened to Streetlight Manifesto at all,but in their song "If and When We Rise Again", they use Brahms' "Hungarian Dance No. 5",and very well at that, as the bridge of the song.There is no real point to me saying this,but give it a listen,it's good times.

Mostly Messiaen (20 regards sur l'enfant jesus and his quartet for the end of time) and Pendrecki (2nd symphony)... and Shostakovich his 13th symphony (Babij Yar)

I like classical music, but I can only really get into it when thereis only one instrument playing solo, guitar especially, but also some piano.

yeuh that how i started

is there any chance anyone could mention a couple of artists/songs which are darker/minor key?

check out some Shostakovich, most of his music has a dark expressionistic atmosphere... as does Schoenberg's although theyre different

if you want something more traditional and but also overplayed there is Albinoni's Adagio... but man theres too much music...

[QUOTE=Turbonegro]is there any chance anyone could mention a couple of artists/songs which are darker/minor key?[/QUOTE]
Prokofiev's 3rd Symphony is an interesting piece.

Schoenberg and Shostakovich, as mentioned, also have some excellent pieces that fall into a brooding type of sound. For Schoenberg, I particularly like Verklarte Night, especially when it's arranged for the full string orchestra. The Op.31 Variations are also very nice.

For Shostakovich, there are too many good pieces to name, but I'd probably reccomend the 6th and 12th symphonies.

Lutoslawski's 4th Symphony is a current favourite of mine.

Rachmaninov's 2nd Symphony is also a current favourite.

All of those are quite "dark".


EDIT: Oh, yeah. Try Copland's Orchestral Variations too.

And Bartok's String Quartets are very, very cool. Try the 4th.

Man, What is right. There's just too much good music in the world.

man i finally bought Bartok's "Miaraculous Mandarin" on CD... now I have a full version of it instead of just random tracks on my pc... awesome

it alos has his "music for strings, percussion and celesta"

jdsalfjafkljdaf

I also want to buy Britten's War Requiem soon. Can't wait.

My CD of Liszt's two concerto's plus the Totentanz arrived today, as played by Berezovsky. Listening to Concerto No.1 now and it's great. Good purchase indeed. It also has Liszt's Sonata, two Sonettos which are entirely new to me and Apres une lecture du Dante, fantasia quasi sonata "Dante Sonata". I'm not familiar with that work either so it'll be good to listen to.

Ive listened to Liszt very briefly... I actually listened to the whole romantic period very briefly... unfortunately... especially Schumann, Brahms, Wagner etc. Although I listened to a lot of Malher and Chopin

I only enjoy a little bit from the Romantic Period. The piano composers from that time were unbelievable, but the symphonic composers (I feel) lacked. A lot of them were composing in odd keys and changing times signatures, which led to complex but rather boring songs. Self-indulgant, some would put it.
I'm playing a piece from Franck in my orcehstra, Symphony in D minor. It sucks.

Question I've posted in R+M's community thread...

Do any of you here like music and/or the operas of Richard Wagner? How is he considered in the classical community? My general impression is that his music is regarded as highly important and influential but also that his beliefs as a person are proportionately reprehensible, due to things like virulent anti-Semitism and belief in the superiority of Nordic peoples.

I just picked up the last two operas of his Ring des Nibelungen series (Götterdämmerung and Die Walküre) and I like them a lot, although it's hard to think of Wagner without thinking of him as Hitler's favorite composer. :-/

I really like his stuff though, the odd-tonality and really high drama in the compositions are very engaging to me. (I have actually been more interested in Romantic-era classical than some of you guys seem :)) It's just weird to think about Wagner as a person and how he inspired some of the worst men in history and then enjoy his music all the same. Anybody else have this problem?

[QUOTE=Cain]Question I've posted in R+M's community thread...

Do any of you here like music and/or the operas of Richard Wagner? How is he considered in the classical community? My general impression is that his music is regarded as highly important and influential but also that his beliefs as a person are proportionately reprehensible, due to things like virulent anti-Semitism and belief in the superiority of Nordic peoples. [/quote]
Pretty much.

I'm not that much of a Wagnerian opera fan. His overtures and instrumental works are interesting, and I quite enjoy them. But I generally don't dig his vocal writing very much.

it doesnt bother me at all, and i dont see why it should bother. everyone has their own views even if theyre radical.
and if it inspired hitler... then ok. its not like I care

[QUOTE=rockinbass17]I only enjoy a little bit from the Romantic Period. The piano composers from that time were unbelievable, but the symphonic composers (I feel) lacked. A lot of them were composing in odd keys and changing times signatures, which led to complex but rather boring songs. Self-indulgant, some would put it.
I'm playing a piece from Franck in my orcehstra, Symphony in D minor. It sucks.[/QUOTE]

ok man... not to be mean and all but you obviously dont know what the fu[color=white]c[/color]k youre talking about

Hey, it's just my opinion. I've given composers like Franck and Berlioz a chance, and nothing about their music intrigues me. I find it unenjoyable.

i mean... what are odd keys? frequent changes of time signature isnt a signature part of the romantic period.

I don't like people who dismiss a whole period of music, it just annoys me.

There is Berlioz, Schumann, Wagner, Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Schubert gah

I just got myself a cd of the planet suite and a selection of mozart and a classical fantasy cd with Rimski Korsikov (sp?) Tchaikovsky and others I can't remember.
I love Mozart, Grieg, Beethoven, Holst and composers such as those
Anything anyone recommends to look at next?

Rismky-Korsakov

Shostakovich, Stravinsky, Penderecki, Messiaen, Bartok, Mussorgsky, Dargomizskij, Prokofiev... yer