[QUOTE=ThrashHead]Undisputed Attitude is they're punk album. If you like punk I guess I'd recomend it. But I don't like punk all that much so I found this album dissapointing.[/QUOTE]
same here. when i got it i didnt know it was a all punk album, i was confused on how much it sucked.

[QUOTE=Slayerisgod]Screw you guys that dont like Slayer you should burn in hell!
Anyways metallica tried to experiment and for the most part look what happened...no one liked it too much. Slayer isnt going to make a freakin album with funky synth in the background and sound effects coming from all sides. They arent going to make an acoustic album. There is a reason for this....they are Slayer. They want to put out heavy music that stays fast and evil.
To say Slayer has no depth is false. Listen to Rain in Blood, South of Heaven, Seasons.., and God Hates Us ALL. They are all Slayer and they sound similiar but at the same time have great songs that are all different. they do use somewhat similiar riffs though. Saying well all Slayer songs sound the same is kind of weird because they are in a way supposed to sound the same but somewhat different at the same time. IF you dont like Slayer dont post.
Now I also enjoy Tool, Opeth, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, and many other bands that experiment with their music..actually I love many of them more than Slayer..BUT SLAYER DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LIKE TOOL OPETH IT ISNT THEIR STYLE TO EXPERIMENT UNLESS YOU WANT SLAYER TO SOUND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT..IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?[/QUOTE]


Yes that is what I want. Slayer, except on this last album have taken almost no musical chances, and thats even stretching it for the last one, especially when it comes to the lyrics.

[QUOTE=SSSnake...]I never said they were an experimental BAND, but that they had experimental PERIODS in their career. Get it right. One of Slayer's biggest attributes are that they play incredibly fast. So to say 'South of Heaven' - an album where they slowed down to the point of songs being able to be classed as doom - was not experimentation is absolutely ridiculous.

And as I clearly stated (which makes me wonder why you chose my statement as a quote) they've stuck to their blueprint very closely for the most part.[/QUOTE]


Playing slow does not count as experimentation. Risk, Load, ReLoad, S&M, St. Anger, Bring Da Noise, these are risks. Slayer have taken babysteps in comparison.

[QUOTE=whatduffhuck7]THEY DID A ALL PUNK ALBUM. THEY ARE USSUALLY THRASH.

that is trying something new. that is expermenting with there sound. god dam. i would personally like them to stay exacly the same as they are, just make new great thrash songs. but thats not gonna happen. god hates us all (there newest cd) is MUCH different than show no mercy.[/QUOTE]


Punk and Metal were married long before Slayer, sorry.

[QUOTE=MXican]I have got reign in blood and think it is a very good album. Can some one recommend me another album for me to get?[/QUOTE]
Hell Awaits, then South of Heaven.

SOH is their best imo.

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]Playing slow does not count as experimentation. Risk, Load, ReLoad, S&M, St. Anger, Bring Da Noise, these are risks. Slayer have taken babysteps in comparison.[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid you're wrong on this one. Slayer have collaberated with rap and techno artists in the past. They collaberated with Ice-T on a song called Disorder which was for a film soundtrack and they also did a song for the film 'Spawn' called 'No Remorse - I Wanna Die' with a German techno band called Atari Teenage Riot :thumb:

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]Playing slow does not count as experimentation. Risk, Load, ReLoad, S&M, St. Anger, Bring Da Noise, these are risks. Slayer have taken babysteps in comparison.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why I'm even bothering with this, but how is playing another genre of metal not experimentation?! Going from 250+bpm to 100 changes the listening experience and the affect on the listener immensely. The atmosphere at a live gig would switch instantly. If you don't think that you're a douchebag. Simple as. It's like saying there's no difference between Burning Witch and Mistress. Or when I went to a Grindcore festival and saw Pig Destroyer and a drone band called Halo next to each other, it didn't change fu.ck all. Believe me, it changed everything.

Time is one of the biggest factors in music. And experimenting with time is experimenting, period.

Hi

I haven't listened to much Slayer at all and was wondering if there were any good songs to start me up and give me a fairly good idea of how they are and what they're about...

Thanks heaps

[QUOTE=SLATANIC-666]I'm afraid you're wrong on this one. Slayer have collaberated with rap and techno artists in the past. They collaberated with Ice-T on a song called Disorder which was for a film soundtrack and they also did a song for the film 'Spawn' called 'No Remorse - I Wanna Die' with a German techno band called Atari Teenage Riot :thumb:[/QUOTE]


Yes I know all of that, yet I find it very funny that Kerry King has accused other bands of "selling out" and "following trends" when in fact he's done it himself too.

[QUOTE=beatyourheartout]Hi

I haven't listened to much Slayer at all and was wondering if there were any good songs to start me up and give me a fairly good idea of how they are and what they're about...

Thanks heaps[/QUOTE]
My first was Disciple. That got me into slayer. Saw 'em in Cariff last year, and they f[SIZE=2]u[/SIZE]cking pwned slipknot.

[QUOTE=SSSnake...]I don't know why I'm even bothering with this, but how is playing another genre of metal not experimentation?! Going from 250+bpm to 100 changes the listening experience and the affect on the listener immensely. The atmosphere at a live gig would switch instantly. If you don't think that you're a douchebag. Simple as. It's like saying there's no difference between Burning Witch and Mistress. Or when I went to a Grindcore festival and saw Pig Destroyer and a drone band called Halo next to each other, it didn't change fu.ck all. Believe me, it changed everything.

Time is one of the biggest factors in music. And experimenting with time is experimenting, period.[/QUOTE]


You know what, you probably think Metallica "experimented" when they did Fade To Black or Sanatarium. The fact of the matter is, it is still metal. Period. Slayer could not break out of the metal box to save their lives. They are stuck there for the rest of their careers because they know thats what people want to buy. Metallica on the other hand don't really give to ****s about what the fans think. They make the music they want to make and it has taken them through various genres in their career.

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]You know what, you probably think Metallica "experimented" when they did Fade To Black or Sanatarium. The fact of the matter is, it is still metal. Period. Slayer could not break out of the metal box to save their lives. They are stuck there for the rest of their careers because they know thats what people want to buy. Metallica on the other hand don't really give to ****s about what the fans think. They make the music they want to make and it has taken them through various genres in their career.[/QUOTE]

Slayer stick with the same formula to remain loyal to the fans. They have never and probably never will drastically change their stlye to suit a wider audience.

[QUOTE=SLATANIC-666]Slayer stick with the same formula to remain loyal to the fans. They have never and probably never will drastically change their stlye to suit a wider audience.[/QUOTE]

They are letting the fans dictate what music they play, and that is complete bull****. Lars Ulrich said it best "You are not going to ****ing sit here and tell ME HOW TO RUN MY BAND." Slayer stick with the fans because they know that their fans are fickle and will turn on them in a second, just look at the GHUA backlash. They tried the least bit of experimentation and they got heat for it. The real problem with music isnt the music itself, its the fans. A lot of hadcore fans think that just because they buy the CD means they have some divine right to tell a band that they have to make the next album a certain way and Slayer have pretty much fallen for it.

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]They are letting the fans dictate what music they play, and that is complete bull****. Lars Ulrich said it best "You are not going to ****ing sit here and tell ME HOW TO RUN MY BAND." Slayer stick with the fans because they know that their fans are fickle and will turn on them in a second, just look at the GHUA backlash. They tried the least bit of experimentation and they got heat for it. The real problem with music isnt the music itself, its the fans. A lot of hadcore fans think that just because they buy the CD means they have some divine right to tell a band that they have to make the next album a certain way and Slayer have pretty much fallen for it.[/QUOTE]
Wrong dumbass. Metallica does NOTHING but follow their fans. Slayer fans stick to Slayer no matter what. Slayers goal is to make good heavy/brutal music.

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]You know what, you probably think Metallica "experimented" when they did Fade To Black or Sanatarium. The fact of the matter is, it is still metal. Period. Slayer could not break out of the metal box to save their lives. They are stuck there for the rest of their careers because they know thats what people want to buy. Metallica on the other hand don't really give to ****s about what the fans think. They make the music they want to make and it has taken them through various genres in their career.[/QUOTE]
Metallica makes anything that the people want to here. They are nothing but money whores.

[QUOTE=ToRidTheDisease]Wrong dumbass. Metallica does NOTHING but follow their fans. Slayer fans stick to Slayer no matter what. Slayers goal is to make good heavy/brutal music.[/QUOTE]


Yes all the Metallica fans loved Nothing Else Matters, Load, ReLoad and S&M. The fans loved when Metallica sued Napster. Yeah, riiiiiiiight. :wave:

I'll post the exact same thing I posted on the other Slayer thread:

Slayer? I always thought of their style like this: stupid. I don't like Slayer at all. Way to melodramatic for me. Add in the fact that half their song's are just bashing religion, which I really don't give a **** about normally, but when that's all a band can sing about, it get's just as annoying as overly-religious music... I mean, how can you take lyrics like "I keep the Bible in a pool of blood so none of it's lies can affect me!" seriously?


I dunno. You guys can keep your Slayer, but I'll stick with stuff like Lamb of God and Anthrax myself. Maybe I need to give Slayer more of a chance, but that's just my thoughts on the band.



There's many, MANY metal bands out there that are far better than Slayer. "They can play incredibly fast?" Uh-huh. Someone needs to listen to more Cradle of Filth.


As for Metallica, quit taking dumps on them. Just quit.

[QUOTE=MetalNightBodomNight]slayer is alright i don't like them as much as i used to i would say their best work is spill the blood or south of heaven. i don't judge vocalist on live performances because singing live is hard to do, soundmen suck, and they can't use the added depth of multiple takes (mults).[/QUOTE]


shut the F*** up you stupid s*** never insult soundmen

[QUOTE=IamJaco2]shut the F*** up you stupid s*** never insult soundmen[/QUOTE]
]Maybe slayer's though but soundmen are great people are maybe it is just tom araya?

[QUOTE=Slayerisgod]Screw you guys that dont like Slayer you should burn in hell![/QUOTE]


Geeze, that statement sure looks smart. : /


I have to agree with alot of previous posts. Slayer never tries anything new and gets boring. And I just get this stupid vibe of "We're pissed at our dads, so we're gonna sing about hating a god that may or may not exist and beating women to *try* and look AWESOME! YEAH!"

Something else comes to mind, too... Anthrax's lead singer said in an interview that the guitar solo started to die out because guitarists didn't know how to play or didnt have anything to say with their leads. In other words, what's the point in playing as fast as you can when it doesn't do jack for the song?

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]Yes all the Metallica fans loved Nothing Else Matters, Load, ReLoad and S&M. The fans loved when Metallica sued Napster. Yeah, riiiiiiiight. :wave:[/QUOTE]
They sued Napster because they are money hungry fags. Their fans did like most of those too.

[QUOTE=Garret]Geeze, that statement sure looks smart. : /


I have to agree with alot of previous posts. Slayer never tries anything new and gets boring. And I just get this stupid vibe of "We're pissed at our dads, so we're gonna sing about hating a god that may or may not exist and beating women to *try* and look AWESOME! YEAH!"

Something else comes to mind, too... Anthrax's lead singer said in an interview that the guitar solo started to die out because guitarists didn't know how to play or didnt have anything to say with their leads. In other words, what's the point in playing as fast as you can when it doesn't do jack for the song?[/QUOTE]
Slayer = Not anti christian. Tom Araya is a very strong christian.

[QUOTE=ToRidTheDisease]Slayer = Not anti christian. Tom Araya is a very strong christian.[/QUOTE]
? I'm not saying your wrong at all but I'v read alot of interviews with Tom and he always claimed that he wasn't a satanist but that he was atheist. Again I'm not saying your wrong I'm just trying to see where you got your information from. Thanks

Tom is a very strong Christian, he said so in an interview somewhere or on the bonus clip on Still Reigning.

[QUOTE=Garret]I'll post the exact same thing I posted on the other Slayer thread:

Slayer? I always thought of their style like this: stupid. I don't like Slayer at all. Way to melodramatic for me. Add in the fact that half their song's are just bashing religion, which I really don't give a **** about normally, but when that's all a band can sing about, it get's just as annoying as overly-religious music... I mean, how can you take lyrics like "I keep the Bible in a pool of blood so none of it's lies can affect me!" seriously?


I dunno. You guys can keep your Slayer, but I'll stick with stuff like Lamb of God and Anthrax myself. Maybe I need to give Slayer more of a chance, but that's just my thoughts on the band.



There's many, MANY metal bands out there that are far better than Slayer. "They can play incredibly fast?" Uh-huh. Someone needs to listen to more Cradle of Filth.


As for Metallica, quit taking dumps on them. Just quit.[/QUOTE]

Dude shut the hell up... if you don't like Slayer get the hell out of the thread, or die and go to hell choice is yours :thumb: Atleast Tom doesn't look like a bitchy chick like Danny.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Tom is a very strong Christian, he said so in an interview somewhere or on the bonus clip on Still Reigning.[/QUOTE]

Wow.. I didn't know that. I read an interview with him and he said he just had his own form of beliefs. But it was kind of old.. maybe he's converted to Christianity? How is the Still Reigning DVD? I want to buy it but it's like 24.99 is it worth it?

Not old, it's very worth it.

Garret = Complete faggot.

If there is one of Tom talking about christianity on the still reigning dvd please tell me, I havent seen it on "slayer in there own words" but I might of missed it, does anybody know.

[QUOTE=ToRidTheDisease]They sued Napster because they are money hungry fags. Their fans did like most of those too.[/QUOTE]


Typical Slayer fan, knows dick about music and the business. Metallica sued Napster because, and this is from their own mouths and not what some little faggot made up, because they were making a new song and it was leaked. They want control, its that simple. They said that from the beginning, this is THEIR band and THEY control it, not anyone else. Slayer lets the fans drag them around by their small dicks.

Can a mod please change the thread title, it should now read:
'The ***OFFICIAL*** Metallica thread' :p

I'll stick by my earlier statement about how Slayer stick with the same sound to remain loyal to the fans. They will never change their sound to appeal to a wider audience. This is probably because they enjoy playing this style of music and probably aren't really that bothered about getting mega-rich.

Metallica changed their sound to become 'radio friendly' hence they did it purely to make money. And them saying 'It's our band, we control it!' is contradicted by the fact that Bob Rock has been pulling the strings for a long time.

[QUOTE=SLATANIC-666]Can a mod please change the thread title, it should now read:
'The ***OFFICIAL*** Metallica thread' :p

I'll stick by my earlier statement about how Slayer stick with the same sound to remain loyal to the fans. They will never change their sound to appeal to a wider audience. This is probably because they enjoy playing this style of music and probably aren't really that bothered about getting mega-rich.

Metallica changed their sound to become 'radio friendly' hence they did it purely to make money. And them saying 'It's our band, we control it!' is contradicted by the fact that Bob Rock has been pulling the strings for a long time.[/QUOTE]


Bob Rock was pulling the strings? Did you see a year and a half? They hated him. Lars said he never wanted to see him again. God I hate when you elitist metal ****s make assumptions like that. But since you are, I'll make one too. This is the REAL reason Slayer have stayed the same for so long. They know they have a hardcore following who will basically buy whatever **** they throw together as long as its heavy, and thats it. They make records this way because thats what sells. If Metallica really cared about album sales they would have made a Black Album II. But they didnt. They went in a totally opposite direction to prove that they werent going to try to keep repeating the past like so many other metal bands do. They just keep trying to make the same **** ad nausium, like Slayer, so as not to piss off the few morons who acually buy their CDs and go to their god awful concerts.

Lol this is a mettalica thread now but anyway...IMO slayer is not repeating them selves they have stated sence 1983 that they didn't like soft ballads or soft lyrics they like metal and they were not going to change there music for reasons that are ridicolous. But slayers music did change, but not a selling out change look at reign in blood then south of heaven look at the difference IMO both are great albums but they changed there speed alot, and it showed a slower side but still a aggressive side as well.

[QUOTE=SilentScream7]Lol this is a mettalica thread now but anyway...IMO slayer is not repeating them selves they have stated sence 1983 that they didn't like soft ballads or soft lyrics they like metal and they were not going to change there music for reasons that are ridicolous. But slayers music did change, but not a selling out change look at reign in blood then south of heaven look at the difference IMO both are great albums but they changed there speed alot, and it showed a slower side but still a aggressive side as well.[/QUOTE]

Thats the point, playing slow is as drastic a chance as you fans will allow and its really pathetic.

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]Bob Rock was pulling the strings? Did you see a year and a half? They hated him. Lars said he never wanted to see him again. God I hate when you elitist metal ****s make assumptions like that. But since you are, I'll make one too. This is the REAL reason Slayer have stayed the same for so long. They know they have a hardcore following who will basically buy whatever **** they throw together as long as its heavy, and thats it. They make records this way because thats what sells. If Metallica really cared about album sales they would have made a Black Album II. But they didnt. They went in a totally opposite direction to prove that they werent going to try to keep repeating the past like so many other metal bands do. They just keep trying to make the same **** ad nausium, like Slayer, so as not to piss off the few morons who acually buy their CDs and go to their god awful concerts.[/QUOTE]

This is turning into a Metallica versus Slayer thread. I've said what I have to on the matter but then you have to label me as an 'elitist metal ****' and later go on to call Slayer fans morons. I even admitted Slayer stick with the same formula and the reasons as to why but that wasn't enough, what you really want is someone to hold up their hands and say 'Yes, you're right, Slayer suck, Metallica are the greatest metal band ever!' so I think I'll just ask for the thread to be closed so I don't have to put up with your constant b[B]i[/B]tching.

How are you calling slayer pathetic, and why are you posting in a thread where you know there would be a fight, there is a big difference between stating your opinion and trying to fight with other users, yea everyone agrees slayer has kept a remotley same sound but thats what they like, and you can't tell them to change there sound and neither can I but slayer has had 10 gold records, there the top thrash metal band out there, and slayer is not PATHETIC.

[QUOTE=ToRidTheDisease]Not old, it's very worth it.

Garret = Complete faggot.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I love you too *******. :rolleyes:

Geeze, the dickheads you meet sometimes. Just because I don't like your band doesn't make me a homosexual. By calling me "faggot", I think you just proved about how valid and thought out your opinions are. :rolleyes: :lol:

Seriously, it makes you sound as stupid as the jerk-off kids at my highschool who call everything they don't like "gay".

[QUOTE=Garret]Yeah, I love you too *******. :rolleyes:

Geeze, the dickheads you meet sometimes. Just because I don't like your band doesn't make me a homosexual. By calling me "faggot", I think you just proved about how valid and thought out your opinions are. :rolleyes: :lol:

Seriously, it makes you sound as stupid as the jerk-off kids at my highschool who call everything they don't like "gay".[/QUOTE]

:D Finally someone in this thread with some common sense.

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]:D Finally someone in this thread with some common sense.[/QUOTE]

*bows* Thank you for the praise, but it's just the truth. :)

[QUOTE=xKaedonx]Typical Slayer fan, knows dick about music and the business. Metallica sued Napster because, and this is from their own mouths and not what some little faggot made up, because they were making a new song and it was leaked. They want control, its that simple. They said that from the beginning, this is THEIR band and THEY control it, not anyone else. Slayer lets the fans drag them around by their small dicks.[/QUOTE]
No, they want money, and only money. Now, please shut the **** up. By the way, you need to stop stereotyping moron, I don't know "dick" about music? Try again fag.

[QUOTE=Garret]Yeah, I love you too *******. :rolleyes:

Geeze, the dickheads you meet sometimes. Just because I don't like your band doesn't make me a homosexual. By calling me "faggot", I think you just proved about how valid and thought out your opinions are. :rolleyes: :lol:

Seriously, it makes you sound as stupid as the jerk-off kids at my highschool who call everything they don't like "gay".[/QUOTE]
My problem is not that you don't like Slayer, my problem is that you are a moron about music, and think up random **** about them that isn't true.

[QUOTE=Garret]*bows* Thank you for the praise, but it's just the truth. :)[/QUOTE]
the truth is that you shouldnt be in this thread if you gonna be such a queer about slayer. yea queer. i called you a queer. f[B]u[/B] cking dickhead.

i agree with tom. in the lyrics 'i keep the bible in a pool of blood to protect me from its lies' or something like that, but the bible does have a bunch of stuff that dosent make sense.

to garret who says he would rather listen to lamb of god than slayer. then make a lamb of god thread and talk in there, not here.