bah. I guess this is what I get for posting on topic in R&M.

JT is the ****ing man **** you moltenlava

[QUOTE=moltenlava;16490364]Amit, you know that I proved my case with the examples given. The Classical influence in certain branches of Metal is pervasive and ubiquitous....[/quote]

only people who don't actually understand classical music believe that mocking supposedly scale patterns or even instrumentation is equivalent to being classically influenced

this is becoming a really depressing conversation; do they offer music theory or even western classical music appreciation classes whereever you live?

please take one and then get back to me

[QUOTE=moltenlava;16490364]And, what the heck are you doing listening ot Justin Timberlake? That move kinda blows your Rock/Metal credibility to smithereens.[/QUOTE]

rock and metal credibility is the most hilarious oxymoron ever

[QUOTE=Amit;16490363]you ought to work on your social skills if you think that's a reasonable quantification :][/QUOTE]

Well you spent more time bragging then I spent knocking the music you listen to so I'd have to say it was a net waste of time for you

amit, two more things:
how are you?
what are you wearing?

wait i'm a little confused

how is borrowing structure or whatever from classical music not taking influence from it? just because the end result is completely different doesn't mean it doesn't draw from it in some way...

its a bit beyond your limited understanding...

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16490375]Well you spent more time bragging then I spent knocking the music you listen to so I'd have to say it was a net waste of time for you[/QUOTE]

haha I pissed you off

[quote]wait i'm a little confused

how is borrowing structure or whatever from classical music not taking influence from it? just because the end result is completely different doesn't mean it doesn't draw from it in some way...[/quote]

you could ape a million paganini's caprices and it would never be art music

[QUOTE=Charizard;16490381]its a bit beyond your limited understanding...[/QUOTE]

it wouldn't be if he would explain it in a way that made sense

I mean, I don't know anything about classical music but still[quote]you could ape a million paganini's caprices and it would never be art music[/quote]why does something have to be art music to be influenced by it?

Yo Amit, I posted a moderately well thought out reply a page or so back, but you were in the middle of having a slap fight with 1338. Care to respond? I'm interested in knowing what you have to say.

[QUOTE=Charizard;16490376]amit, two more things:
how are you?
what are you wearing?[/QUOTE]

wonderful but exhausted from my workout
workout clothes

[QUOTE=Amit;16490386]haha I pissed you off[/QUOTE]

You didn't, because I didn't go back and edit a lengthy bragfest into my post

bragfest

[QUOTE=xNerox;16490341]Yeah, so I actually took the time to read through the entire last thread, and now I'm too mentally anguished to read through all of this one, so I'll just ask my question.[/quote]

i'm sorry about your mental anguish! :[

[QUOTE=xNerox;16490341]What I really don't understand are your personal definitions of "influence" and "technique." For you, what does it take to be influenced by a certain piece of music? Does it have to have some sort of approval stamp? Personally, I consider every single piece of music I have ever listened to and enjoyed to bear some influence on my writing / playing. And that includes classical-to-metal influence.[/quote]

no it doesn't have to be stamped with some sort of approval stamp

i believe the classical to metal influence is [B]extremely [/B]overstated by metal fans and that this is simply an attempt of needlessly legitimizing one's preferred form of popular music (metal in this case) by tenuously associating it with a very established form of art music (classical music)

if metal was truly classically influenced, then it would be far less thematically transparent and also far more interested in compositional process and dynamics

[QUOTE=xNerox;16490341]As far as technique... perhaps I'm interpreting this incorrectly, but it almost seems like playing in an orchestral / symphonic setting is a prerequisite to being "technical", from your perspective. In a nutshell, in a previous post you stated that technique was essentially control, dynamics, and blending into an ensemble sound. I don't know what you cite as bad examples of "technical metal players", but I know I've listened to a few who I think fit that description rather well.[/quote]

if you could post some examples of metal players with good technique i would love to see it

[quote]i believe the classical to metal influence is extremely overstated by metal fans and that this is simply an attempt of needlessly legitimizing one's preferred form of popular music (metal in this case) by tenuously associating it with a very established form of art music (classical music)[/quote]well yeah obviously, but that doesn't mean the connection doesn't exist

though I suppose it exists to the same degree in most other modern music

[QUOTE=masscows;16490409]well yeah obviously, but that doesn't mean the connection doesn't exist

though I suppose it exists to the same degree in most other modern music[/QUOTE]

exactly

and since that's part of the typical musicological passive interaction between popular and art music, any amount of active influence dynamics is subsequently nil for metal (along with most popular music styles)

but this is not something which should make people sad or disheartened about metal

[B]it has nothing to do with how good or bad metal is[/B]

i wish more people would realize that

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idk

lol!

lol ik rite?

ya ik

[QUOTE=Amit;16490405]if you could post some examples of metal players with good technique i would love to see it[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtjksfgCp0I[/url]

variation starting @ 3:32

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16490432][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtjksfgCp0I[/url]

variation starting @ 3:32[/QUOTE]

so where is the technically impressive part i don't feel like stopping god is an astronaut for 6 minutes

this is pretty good though when there are vocals and if it wasn't so cliche i like more folky metal

why are people still arguing amit is obviously going to win

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that's how many he sold in a week!

guys why does lil wayne say no homo?!?!?!!?

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDWq8WexKGg[/url]


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[QUOTE=iarescientists;16490449]guys why does lil wayne say no homo?!?!?!!?[/QUOTE]

i hurd he kissed baby!

guys this is really tech:

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=rObSwvfQcjg[/url]

who is dis baby?!?!?!

In response to Amit:

While I do think the classical influence on metal is definitely overstated (Cryptopsy tunes low and plays in minor keys, they must listen to tons of Wagner, lawl), I think it's just as unfair to say that it is not influenced at all by it.

As for metal players who I find "technical", here are a few humble examples. I don't claim that they're "teh best moosishuns ev4r", but I think they are musically minded enough to earn the tag "technical", if even in a relative sense.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-8aipuDILs[/url]
^Not the best sample of their playing, but it's pretty much the only video of decent quality that exists.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=IF1gLINTuiE[/url]
^Low quality vid, but they're a local band so there's not a lot to work with.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk4DEp_EJVU[/url]
^I'm not insulting your intelligence by posting an Opeth video, I'm sure you've heard your fill of them, but I just wanted to show what I'm getting at here.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=n_j2yoXV7Wk[/url]
^And probably the best example of the kind of "technical" you're more used to hearing about

Obviously, these aren't based sheerly on speed or mad sweepz, just what I think sounds good and might be considered moderately "technical."