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JukeBoxHero 11-29-2005 09:17 PM

Im pretty sure you have to be born with a whistle register.

mr black 11-29-2005 10:54 PM

Can anyone give me an idea of the proper way to scream, because at the moment im getting the whole Matt Heafy from Trivium tone that just hurts my throat and ends up in me choking...

Merkaba 11-30-2005 07:02 AM

[QUOTE=tinnitus]do you have to be born with whistle tone or can you practise and get it going on, and whats a gun exercise to fix your transition between chest voice and head voice good, because about the A range, my chest voice is strained by my head voice is weak... help?[/QUOTE]
YOu can learn it. But the degree of control and all of that will differ.

[QUOTE=mr black]Can anyone give me an idea of the proper way to scream, because at the moment im getting the whole Matt Heafy from Trivium tone that just hurts my throat and ends up in me choking...[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911"]Merkaba's Voicehelp Hotline[/URL]

Meatshield 11-30-2005 12:00 PM

Question.

How do i do falsetto screams?

I can add some kind of rasp to normal fairly low pitched singing by pushing down or something...the weight lifting type grunt, ya know. I followed Merkaba's rasp instruction recording and it seems like i figured that out. BUT...

I can't seem to add any rasp to my falsetto voice to do the Matt Heafy screams. Friend of mine can do something close to Matt Heafy screams, but he says he feels it really high up in his neck, almost like the screams come from his head. When i try to add rasp by pushing down to falsetto(like described in Merkaba's lessons) no rasp comes out, and i tried the way my friend described but i can't seem to understand what he's doing either.

So, how do i do falsetto screams?

Po0sH 12-01-2005 01:53 AM

hey merkaba,

is my screaming, does it sound good? am i doing it right? cuz it doesn't hurt at all

[url]http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0Z86LVKUJ0TIE10ZEEWL2OL09Q[/url]

Meatshield 12-01-2005 02:44 PM

[QUOTE=Po0sH]hey merkaba,

is my screaming, does it sound good? am i doing it right? cuz it doesn't hurt at all

[url]http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0Z86LVKUJ0TIE10ZEEWL2OL09Q[/url][/QUOTE]

Oh hey, that's just like the way my friend screams(that i described in the post above). But i can't get it right following his instructions. Could you or Merkaba could explain how that scream is done?

Po0sH 12-01-2005 07:08 PM

I'm not about the mechanics of it, as far as what you do with ur throat. Basically what I did was, I listened to merkaba's thing on his soundclick, then just immitated it and that was it.

denboy 12-02-2005 11:59 AM

Hey Merkaba, have you ever written anything about techniques and exercises for improving your falsetto?

Merkaba 12-02-2005 03:28 PM

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]Hey Merkaba, have you ever written anything about techniques and exercises for improving your falsetto?[/QUOTE]
Falsetto only occurs because you lack the strength and flexibility to keep the cords closed. The strength and flexibility thread in the voicehelp hotline will help. I'd only be repeating it.

The-Magical-Braindoctor 12-02-2005 03:31 PM

I have a question

I usually play Oasis and Jimi Hendrix

There voices arent great and i can sing reasonably well but

Sometime my voice shakes and kinda freezes

Any advice

Merkaba 12-02-2005 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=The-Magical-Braindoctor]I have a question

I usually play Oasis and Jimi Hendrix

There voices arent great and i can sing reasonably well but

Sometime my voice shakes and kinda freezes

Any advice[/QUOTE]
If your voice is shaking I would say that you might be pushing too hard for your current stamina/strength level....and/or tensing up and squeezing the throat. I wouldnt know of any other causes.

Rats! 12-02-2005 09:36 PM

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Falsetto only occurs because you lack the strength and flexibility to keep the cords closed. The strength and flexibility thread in the voicehelp hotline will help. I'd only be repeating it.[/QUOTE]

so does your falsetto "weaken" as your strength and flexibility increases?

Rats! 12-02-2005 09:38 PM

[QUOTE=Xero09]Normally, I don't talk loud. Does this mean that I'll have to push really hard to sing? I can hit those notes, but I can't sing as loud as a person can sorta shout.[/QUOTE]
man i talk really quiet and my voice is strong as fu[SIZE="2"]c[/SIZE]k..... well maybe not as fu[size=2]c[/size]k but it's strong. so i dont think the volume of your normal speaking voice determines how strong your voice is.

JessJansen 12-02-2005 11:00 PM

Hey
 
Hey Merkaba, or anyone that could help me out.
I was recently listening to some christmas song that the used had done and noticed that bert sings really. I wasnt sure if he is using his falsetto voice or is it just that he has a high range. If its his falsetto voice would anyone be able to help me out on getting mine better. ( i know that its somehwhere in merkabs links but i just thought i would put that in there because i was asking about falsetto singing):thumb:

Merkaba 12-03-2005 04:41 AM

[QUOTE=Rats!]so does your falsetto "weaken" as your strength and flexibility increases?[/QUOTE]
opposite. It gets stronger. Read that as " At a given note" So say if you have the strength and or setup(if youre a tenor) to sing a c 5 in true voice then at d5 you have to use falsetto...then if you work to be able to close up a d5 in a decent true voice then naturally you're gonna be able to use a better falsetto for that d5 now if you so chose. If you can hold the cords together tighter, for a given note, its easier to let them not be so together and tighter right?:thumb:

[QUOTE=Rats!]man i talk really quiet and my voice is strong as fu[SIZE="2"]c[/SIZE]k..... well maybe not as fu[size=2]c[/size]k but it's strong. so i dont think the volume of your normal speaking voice determines how strong your voice is.[/QUOTE]I second that.

[QUOTE=JessJansen]Hey Merkaba, or anyone that could help me out.
I was recently listening to some christmas song that the used had done and noticed that bert sings really. I wasnt sure if he is using his falsetto voice or is it just that he has a high range. If its his falsetto voice would anyone be able to help me out on getting mine better. ( i know that its somehwhere in merkabs links but i just thought i would put that in there because i was asking about falsetto singing):thumb:[/QUOTE]

relax, warmup, relax further, and practice, and warm down. Most questions like this are identical in concept to "How do I increase my bench press". I mean we can go on and on about little catchy names and terminology but what it all boils down to is working out with good form. And if you didnt know whether or not you had good form you would either research your a[I]s[/I]s off or hire a personal trainer.

denboy 12-03-2005 05:55 AM

I expected you to say something like that Merkaba, hehehe
It just feels silly practising falsetto without actually doing anything in a falsetto voice

The-Magical-Braindoctor 12-03-2005 07:41 AM

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]If your voice is shaking I would say that you might be pushing too hard for your current stamina/strength level....and/or tensing up and squeezing the throat. I wouldnt know of any other causes.[/QUOTE]

How could i get better ?

Just practice ?

JessJansen 12-03-2005 07:09 PM

Thanks merkaba ill try those tips out.

Ryan983 12-04-2005 12:58 AM

okay... so i tried to scream today... i thought i was doing good... didn't sound good but i kind of asumed that would come with more practice... a couple after after trying my throat started to hurt... so i guess i'm doing something wrong... i'm not sure what though... i think i'm using my thoat and i'm not supposed to or something... can i get some helps?

thanks

Ryan983 12-04-2005 01:01 AM

a couple hours after...... sorry...

newm1ke 12-04-2005 09:04 AM

Hi, I was hoping for some advice because I'm having a lot of trouble with breathing. I've practised a lot (even went to a singer teachers for a while) but I cant seem to inhale using my stomach. Meaning I can inhale and get a large amount of air in my lungs, I can feel it strongly in my chest so I am filling my lungs and I know I'm doing that part right, but I'm having [I]a lot[/I] of trouble inhaling with my stomach pushing out (like ive read).

Has anyone got any ideas? It may be because I'm generally kinda skinny, but I can feel it big in my chest but I can't get it so my stomach pushes out.

Thanks a lot

Merkaba 12-06-2005 12:26 AM

[QUOTE=newm1ke]Hi, I was hoping for some advice because I'm having a lot of trouble with breathing. I've practised a lot (even went to a singer teachers for a while) but I cant seem to inhale using my stomach. Meaning I can inhale and get a large amount of air in my lungs, I can feel it strongly in my chest so I am filling my lungs and I know I'm doing that part right, but I'm having [I]a lot[/I] of trouble inhaling with my stomach pushing out (like ive read).

Has anyone got any ideas? It may be because I'm generally kinda skinny, but I can feel it big in my chest but I can't get it so my stomach pushes out.

Thanks a lot[/QUOTE]If you take a slow deep breath and relax it will naturally come, and if you take a quick breath, acting like you've been shocked or alarmed, ...a gasp naturally makes you inhale properly. Your stomach doesnt really come into play...it just should bellow out a bit as you reach the last part of your inhale...especially for a big breath. But its only because of everything inside expanding because of the air's volume. It takes uncomfortable tension to breath improperly. Some people pull their stomachs in when they inhale. That would require you activating the stomach are. If you relax it will bellow out. Be sure not to lean back which some people do. If you're not tensing the stomach or abs or pulling them in i would say youre in the clear.

[QUOTE=Ryan983]okay... so i tried to scream today... i thought i was doing good... didn't sound good but i kind of asumed that would come with more practice... a couple after after trying my throat started to hurt... so i guess i'm doing something wrong... i'm not sure what though... i think i'm using my thoat and i'm not supposed to or something... can i get some helps?

thanks[/QUOTE]
If its your first time...you probably just overdid it. Along with overpushing. Again....its like saying...So I tried maxing out my bench press tonight....when you havent been working out much or at all. Its not good for you and you should work slower and steadily and build up to more screaming and pushing. Some of the pain however could be coming from your throat due to the extra air, and not your cords. If your throat hurts when you do mid and high EE's at normal push then its more of your cords as well..which is bad.

IN any case, You should stay hydrated and do e's at normal speaking push and volume and pitch, sliding down to lower ee's. Lots of e's. Post a sample. short sample.

the_shadow_rose 12-06-2005 03:35 AM

[QUOTE=Rocket_Science]I am trying to improve my singing--specifically my pitch. Does anyone know of any videos or preferably something interactive, like software that can help?[/QUOTE]

ok. dunno of any software or anything. but i took a few lessons once and according to the woman who was teaching me i had to raise my eyebrows really high while singng the high pitches (instead of frowning)
it makes you look like an *** but it helps

oh and try scales

Merkaba 12-06-2005 06:04 AM

[QUOTE=the_shadow_rose]ok. dunno of any software or anything. but i took a few lessons once and according to the woman who was teaching me i had to raise my eyebrows really high while singng the high pitches (instead of frowning)
it makes you look like an *** but it helps

oh and try scales[/QUOTE]
Just a funny habit to break. Why not just relax instead. Thats basically what she's getting at. Emotions and the like can trigger muscle memorie and a frown is usually part of a tense high larynx position/feeling. But hey....whatever floats your boat.

TheUsedRules 12-07-2005 07:34 PM

Hey, I have a question for anyone who can help me (Mekarba?)
Well.. I've been playing guitar for 3 years now and I've decided to start singing, I've always wanted to but always found so hard to, I just cant seem to understand how I can hear someone sing and then recall what note that is, that is just crazy to me, but now I'm trying to learn again, I'm 16 now.. figured if I start now, even though I suck, I might get better with time..

Well.. my question is.. what's the best way of starting to learn? like REALLY basics! like starting from scratch, like someone who's really bad at hearing notes too.. I'm gonna get into vocal lessons soon when I get enough money but I'm wondering if there's anything out there I can practice to already start warming up and all, maybe I can play some scales on the guitar and try to match my voice? or something?

Any help is REALLY appreciated

~Wags

TheUsedRules 12-07-2005 07:35 PM

Hey, I have a question for anyone who can help me (Mekarba?)
Well.. I've been playing guitar for 3 years now and I've decided to start singing, I've always wanted to but always found so hard to, I just cant seem to understand how I can hear someone sing and then recall what note that is, that is just crazy to me, but now I'm trying to learn again, I'm 16 now.. figured if I start now, even though I suck, I might get better with time..

Well.. my question is.. what's the best way of starting to learn? like REALLY basics! like starting from scratch, like someone who's really bad at hearing notes too.. I'm gonna get into vocal lessons soon when I get enough money but I'm wondering if there's anything out there I can practice to already start warming up and all, maybe I can play some scales on the guitar and try to match my voice? or something?

Any help is REALLY appreciated

~Wags

wkd 12-08-2005 08:23 PM

How can I tell what type of scream I have? All this "falsetto" talk etc.. is confusing me. I wish I could have an audio recording, but the mic I have doesn't want to work with my pc unfortunately.

Anyway, my screams are very powerful and loud, they're not really dark like death metal, but rather very high pitched, like a loud scream except extremely raspy. What kind of scream is this?

Also, because my screams are very powerful and loud, a lot of times it looks like I'm trying to show off, when really I'm only just doing my thing. My band mates are telling me to tone it down, but whenever I try to growl or scream any lower they sound like ****. I know it's important not to drown out the music when singing, but it's also important not to drown out the singer too. Ahg.

Anyway, most of the time my screams are around the same tone, but sometimes I find myself screaming higher/lower or whatever I did before starting the stanza etc..

Whenever I'm screaming and I feel like half way into it that it doesn't sound right, I change my tone so it doesn't. So sometimes they're like AHHHHHHHHahhhhhhhh, they get high then dark.

Any tips on this? Also, the songs we play require a lot of, SCREAM sing SCREAM sing, type of stuff. I always find myself choking on notes or whatever you wanna call it during the singing parts. Usually when I sing without any singing, I sound decent, but because of the whole SCREAM then sing type thing, they end up sounding horrible. I told them we should just get a second singer, but if you haven't realized already, my band mates are ignorant bastards. =\

JessJansen 12-09-2005 09:01 AM

Hey anyone that could help me out im trying to figure out how to keep my voice from being restricted, any tips on what i should do and what it should be like

Merkaba 12-09-2005 05:34 PM

If you start off in basic light voices and slowly add more and more push over the course of a few minutes you can concentrate better on keeping things relaxed like they were when you were doing lighter notes. Start off with "Ah".

You want to concentrate on keeping what it takes to form the note but minimizing everything else. And in a normal speaking pitch and push there is not anything else going on. So start off in that area first and slowly pitch without increasing push or anything else. Gotta go for now.

fuzzyhair 12-10-2005 09:11 AM

I just started screaming (possibly properly) last night. I was going through an amp with a lot of distortion like the guide said to do. Last night my voice started to hurt so i stopped. I didnt really feel any pain in my vocals, just my throat. This morning I wake up and my vocal chords feel, i guess the best way to describe, stretched. On the sides of my neck my vocal chords feel i kinda stressed, like I just did a workout. So am I doing everything, possibly anything,right? Heres a 5 sec. clip of me screaming testing 123.
[url]http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UYW0C43HRF6Q0ZUS07FEVJJH6[/url]
p.s. im 16 and am trying to get possibly a norma jean styled scream like on memphis will be layed to waste.


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