Mabelobe, it's nice to see another NIN fan here . I'm glad you appreciate Ruiner as well, because for a long time I didn't see much in it. After more and more listenings to TDS, I started to realize just how great that song is, and now it's my favorite from that album and one of my favorite NIN songs ever. As you talked about with your first post, I believe that the Ruiner is actually within the person's mind, as opposed to an outside enemy. Lyrics like "Ruiner's an infector, he's a collector, serving his sh[COLOR=White]i[/COLOR]t to his flies" and "now the only pure thing left in my fu[COLOR=White]c[/COLOR]king world is wearing your disease" lead me to believe this, as they indicate a real sense of decay, especially dealing with the human pyschological mind, which is really what TDS is...an exploration of a decaying human mind. I think Ruiner is the monster that develops in an isolated human mind, and Trent refers to it in the third person because it basically is a seperate entity--an evil beyond that of a sane and normal person.

I love your description of the colorful dynamics in that song--that's one of the things that makes it so great. I love how he buries his voice in the part before the chorus, and then it busts into that huge sound.
Also, you'll notice the retruning motif lyrically (and thematically as well) of "nothing can stop me now," which really gives the impression that that song is quite central to the album as a whole, which lends itself to the meaning as I described above.

And Hurt is indeed an incredible song. I like your description... It's slow, beautuful, sad, meloncholy, reflective, pensive; yet bitter and angry at the same time. I don't think I've ever heard a more powerful or perfect ending to an album.

Agreed. I tend to think of the ruiner as an inner enemy than another person....seems more in the reflective nature of TDS as well...

I'm glad the band is releasing a DualDisc the same day the regular album is out 'cause lately so many other albums are being re-released and it sucks to have to buy them again for their extra stuff...anway, can't wait for these release parties to start...they're hosting one here in Austin at the Alamo DraftHouse which is like a theater where they serve beer, i guess and they're gonna be showing "uncut too-hot-for Mtv" NIN videos and some unreleased stuff from the Broken EP...NIN on the big screen, should be interesting. "PLUS a Hard Copy segment on the FBI’s year-long investigation into the Reznor video they thought was a genuine snuff film!" ...I don't think i'd heard of that one

[QUOTE=misunderstood]I'm glad the band is releasing a DualDisc the same day the regular album is out 'cause lately so many other albums are being re-released and it sucks to have to buy them again for their extra stuff...anway, can't wait for these release parties to start...they're hosting one here in Austin at the Alamo DraftHouse which is like a theater where they serve beer, i guess and they're gonna be showing "uncut too-hot-for Mtv" NIN videos and some unreleased stuff from the Broken EP...NIN on the big screen, should be interesting. "PLUS a Hard Copy segment on the FBI’s year-long investigation into the Reznor video they thought was a genuine snuff film!" ...I don't think i'd heard of that one[/QUOTE]
Lucky bastard... :p
just kidding, but thats pretty awesome, but what do you mean by "snuff" video?

i really don't know..thats what i was wondering..i just took that quote from a news update on [url]www.theninhotline.com[/url]

[QUOTE=misunderstood]i really don't know..thats what i was wondering..i just took that quote from a news update on [url]www.theninhotline.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Oh :lol:
I gotta check out that site more often, I wish Trent would update the questions thing on nin.com.

yeah, you should check it out..they usually have pretty good updates..everyday.... oh and by the way...its [url]www.theninhotline.net[/url] ...sorry

Your other link workerd too...

Ruiner is also my favorite song on TDS..altough I consider The Fragile to be better overall, Its a bit broader in sound and I like that.

The 3 songs I've heared from With Teeth didnt impress me much...but then again, they are more orientated to a TDS kind of sound so maybe its just me.

ruiner solo is great

[QUOTE]ruiner solo is great[/QUOTE]

Indeed....but its a bit crazy playing it forwards....

what you mean by forwards?

Because trent has some crazy backwards masking on that solo, i dont know if it was recorded backwards and then played in reverse (making it forwards, but with very strange reverse picking sounds on each notes)...

If you listen for it you can hear it....

But it also sounds like he might have then gone back and layered it with the solo done normally forwards to add depth.....because it doesnt sound completely reversed all the time, nor does it sound completely forward.....crazy stuff....

Awesome new information about With Teeth (including the album cover)

[url]http://www.nin.com/access/index.html[/url]

[url]http://www.nin.com/current/index.html[/url]

Looks as though another NIN album is on deck.

:eek: :chug:

Just to bring up the live shows again, I'm going to the Toronto show on monday may 9th, the one that sold out in 8 minutes or so :P. I haven't seen NIN before even though im a fan, what songs do you think will get played? Aside from the obvious such as hurt, eraser, closer, head like a hole, etc

I am looking forward to this album.

[QUOTE=MxShredder]Just to bring up the live shows again, I'm going to the Toronto show on monday may 9th, the one that sold out in 8 minutes or so :P. I haven't seen NIN before even though im a fan, what songs do you think will get played? Aside from the obvious such as hurt, eraser, closer, head like a hole, etc[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?p=294297#294297[/url]

Check out that site...they've posted reviews of the first date of the tour which was yesterday..and a setlist...looking good

Holy ****. "With Teeth" sounds kinda like a mix of Hurt/Wish/The Fragile/SICNH IMO (from their first show on this tour)

THTF Live > THTF Studio

You went to a concert?
If so, how were the new songs? I'm not getting anything really from the NIN forums :( they just put how the show was.
And I'm really eager to know if this album is good or... yeah.

Nah, I got a boot of it...haven't really listened to much of it though.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Nah, I got a boot of it...haven't really listened to much of it though.[/QUOTE]
/Whoah, how did you get it?
Not that I want it.
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^horrible shifty eyes.
But yeah, from what you've heard, is it good?

I think he sounds better than ever. I like THTF and the self-titled track

Thats good to hear.
Anyone have ideas on the packaging for With Teeth? He said he was going to do something, good, but very different.
I have no clue...

So Kage, you were going to the record release whatever thing right? The one in Houston?

(disguised bump)

Just got back from the Houston CD release party... All I can say is....wow, just wow. [I]With Teeth[/I] kicks so much as[COLOR=White]s[/COLOR], you guys have no idea.

Many many more details tommorow; right now it's 2:00 AM and I'm tired as hell.

Dude, I'm literally squirming.

Just make sure I tell you about it tomorow. I won't go into it now...but this stuff is going to blow you away, like it did me.

All you skeptics that didn't like THTF, be prepared to be turned completely upside-down.

does it cost any money to get into?

^^^To get into what? The NIN listening parties? Well, they're all pretty much clubs so I guess it would be the regular venue price. Maybe some have that no cover charge before (whatever time). The one here in Austin is only charging $1 but if you want to pick up the cd that night it's $15.

[QUOTE=misunderstood]^^^To get into what? The NIN listening parties? Well, they're all pretty much clubs so I guess it would be the regular venue price. Maybe some have that no cover charge before (whatever time). The one here in Austin is only charging $1 but if you want to pick up the cd that night it's $15.[/QUOTE]

You can't pick up the CD, you can only pre-order it.

And my show was completely free.