[QUOTE=IronGland93] and does [I]Manyerd[/I] keep the same mystery/secrets hidden in [U]A PERFECT CIRCLE [/U] albums:confused:.[/QUOTE]

On the Track on 13th step 'A stranger', listen closely when he sings the words 'You're a stranger so....what do I care?' You should hear him cough. There is a story that the timing of the cough is a date but I cant remember what the symbolisym was of it. I know it was something negative though about some persons involvement with Maynard

Thats about the only real 'hidden' message in their music, there is more with Tool as its more of a collective thing, whereas APC is very much Billy's work with Maynard contributing

[QUOTE=christonastick]Ive heard that the female character in the Schism video is played by Adam Jones' wife, can anyone confirm this?[/QUOTE]

No, its not his wife. They're a Los Angeles duo called OSSEUS LABYRINT.
They are "a manifestation of accumulated data from billions of years of evolving and recombining of matter and energy that has occurred for all things animate and inanimate to be present at this moment"..I got that off their site... [url]www.osseuslabyrint.net[/url] Pretty interesting stuff there.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]you fuc[SIZE=2]k[/SIZE]in azzhole!
god.
lucky as[SIZE=2]s[/SIZE]

how the hell did you get to do all of that. who did you have to ....uh nevermind. cool pics by the way. goddam i love danny. he's alien on the drums. looks like he did some sacred geometry too? or was that yours?
Lucky motherfu[SIZE=2]c[/SIZE]ker.[/QUOTE]


Met him @ a pigmy love circus show in cleveland. I knew sumone who worked there and met him backstage and got to talk to him for a little bit with a buddy of mine. It was an awesome show and definitly worth the drive to cleveland to meet him. Very nice guy and from what he said the next Tool album shall be the best ever. Insanely good. 4 cocks up. . .cant wait :)

Oh yea does anyone have any info on the DVD that was supposed to be released this summer or was that just a rumor???

I found a really interesting interview with Maynard. I know its a little old but its still a good one...He talks about his view on Christianity and other stuff...kinda talks about some songs and what they might mean. He also talks about the fibonacci sequence which i had mentioned before and how Lateralus is connected to that (fibonacci creates sprials...Tool uses spirals alot for their art...and at the end of the song Lateralus he keeps singing: "spiral out...keep going"...I've read in many places that the whole album might have been created around this sequence). Anyway, very interesting. Here's the site: [url]http://www.elloyd.net/mjkinterview.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]On the Track on 13th step 'A stranger', listen closely when he sings the words 'You're a stranger so....what do I care?' You should hear him cough. There is a story that the timing of the cough is a date but I cant remember what the symbolisym was of it. I know it was something negative though about some persons involvement with Maynard[/QUOTE]

what does [I][U]MER DE NOMS[/U][/I] and those strange symbols supposed to mean? I also heard that [U]Billy[/U] and [U]Manyerd[/U] got in quiet an argument about the whole [I][U] 13th Step[/U][/I] album. I was told it almost cost the band to break up....

[QUOTE=bobthesalesclerk]Oh yea does anyone have any info on the DVD that was supposed to be released this summer or was that just a rumor???[/QUOTE]

[U]A Perfect Circle[/U] is supposed to have released a DVD for the [[I]I][U]13th Step[/U] [/I][/I] album....don't know about [B][I][U]T()()L[/U][/I][/B]

[QUOTE=IronGland93]what does [I][U]MER DE NOMS[/U][/I] and those strange symbols supposed to mean? I also heard that [U]Billy[/U] and [U]Manyerd[/U] got in quiet an argument about the whole [I][U] 13th Step[/U][/I] album. I was told it almost cost the band to break up....[/QUOTE]

[I]Mer De Noms[/I] means Sea of Names (Brena, Magdalena, Rose, Judith, etc.) and the symbols represent the alphabet in a font that Billy came up with. I had also read about Maynard and Billy having a hard time working together on Thirteenth Step. As a matter of fact, there was an article on MTV about that. Don't quite remember exactly what it said though, sorry.

[QUOTE=IronGland93][U]A Perfect Circle[/U] is supposed to have released a DVD for the [[I]I][U]13th Step[/U] [/I][/I] album....don't know about [B][I][U]T()()L[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE]

yeah, APC is releasing a dvd/remix package on 11/17/04. The dvd is gonna have their Austin, Tx and Corpus Christi, Tx shows, I believe.

And Tool has kept us waiting for a long time already. They were suppose to release a dvd with their last six shows of their Lateralus tour....I'm not too sure about this but I think I had read on their official site that there was suppose to be out this summer....Or at least something was suppose to be out.

who here has seen APC live, if so, what did you think of theml.
i thought that they had a great and very unique stage prescence, they put on a wonderful show, and the music remains flawless, what more could you ask for.


Shoemaker

I've seen APC live twice. I think their shows are awesome. Though you don't see much of them because they have tons of lights, its great. I saw them at their Halloween show last year. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen.

I made a road trip to Hershey Pa to see em this year(5 hour drive)and it was well worth it. Amazing band and josh performed beautifully even with the broken leg

BTW Orestes was definitly the best song they did. Soooooo powerful.

yeah, Orestes was great...but my favorite was probably The Package...the whold band just went crazy...I was great. The bass part was really strong. It was pretty cool.

[QUOTE=ToolOwnsYou][b]
Track: Eulogy
Album: Aenima
[/b]

This is what the song means to me.. I could be right, I could be wrong.. Usually with TOOL there is no wrong answer. Anyways!

Here is the dictionary Definition of [b]Eulogy[/b]:
[b]
“Eulogy - A laudatory speech or written tribute, especially one praising someone who has died.�
[/b]

This song can be used towards anyone with power, such as a dictator, president, GOD, etc..
For conversation sake, lets use god. Maynard takes a sarcastic approach in this track, going back and fourth
From being serious, back to sarcastic remarks, lets look at how the song starts…

Eulogy – Being the bible in this case.

[b][I]
“He had alot to say.
He had alot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him.

So long.
We wish you well.
You told us how you weren't afraid to die.
Well then, so long.
Don't cry.
Or feel too down.
Not all martyrs see divinity.
But at least you tried.�

Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud.
We'll miss him.
Ranting and pointing his finger
At everything but his heart.
We'll miss him.
[/b][/I]

Maynard sets the theme, of someone powerful standing over a crowd.. I picture the time of Christ, people in robes, with god preaching to people hungry for the word of god. Yet all he is saying was just a waste of breath, a waste of time. Hence “Not all martyrs see divinity, But at least you tried.� I picture this good ol’ cartoon act… . the devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other, arguing between each other, just for better understanding. Hence “he had a lot to say� then “he had a lot of nothing to say� The last verse make me picture god, because if you have ever read the bible it describes, that no one is perfect, but Christ. “ranting and pointing his finger at everything but his heart.�

[b][I]
“Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice so strong and loud and I
Swallowed his facade cuz I'm so
Eager to identify with
Someone above the ground,
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, with
Someone who would die for me.�

[/b][/I]
Back to the devil/angel theory.. This person is lost, so he looks for someone to lead the way for eternity. Some one that could relate to him. And someone above the ground (all the features of Christ) so this person believes in christ, for help. For guidance, yet he is stabbed in the back rather then being at peace.
Facade, stands for “a face of a building� as in God shows his face, all beautiful and perfect, but when you enter the building its thrashed and messy….

[b][I]
“Will you? Will you now?
Would you die for me?
Don't you f*ckin lie.

Don't you step out of line.
Don't you f*ckin lie.�
[/b][/I]

The “messy building� reflects his lies.. Picture it as if the person has fallen for the beginning message, yet finds out everything he knew or was told were all lies.

[b][I]
“Come down.
Get off your f*ckin cross.
We need the f*ckin space to nail the next fool martyr.

To ascend you must die.
You must be crucified
For your sins and your lies.
Goodbye...
[/b][/i]
I feel this is after he understands that you don’t have to be a follower to have eternal happiness. And is somewhat just making fun of the whole situation.

Welp.. there it is… hopefully it makes sense, it does to me. And like I has said before I could be totally wrong.

:evil:[/QUOTE]



I am with you 100% on this. Good job. :thumb:

[QUOTE=clearvision]Hey dude, some interesting points there. Didn't maynard say the song wasn't about god and jesus? I know this doesn't affect your interpretation but to get the 'true' meaning sureley we have to look somewhere else. I find this incredibly hard when in the lyrics it mentions crosses :angry:

Well int he first stanza you picked out the lines [I]'he had alot to say, he had alot of nothing to say'[/I] i find these lines could talk about Martin luther king (now to be called MLK) You see he tried to change or reform america into a non racist nation. He had many things to say, which may have become reptitive, hence maynards contradiction.

The next point i recieved from this guy called 'mstajduh' on the toolshed forums. in the line [I]'We need the f*ckin space to nail the next fool martyr [/I] the explanation the guy gave was "He was the one doing the nailing his 95 thesis on the corrupt catholic church in wittenburg" this makes sense, Maynard could be using a complex metaphor, but maybe im mistaken. These are the two main arguments i have. Has anyone got any othe rideas on 'eulogy'?[/QUOTE]



Hrmmm. Nice argument.

Die eier von satan is about a cookie with no eggs. Thats great.

here are the translated lyrics to Die Eier Von Satan


Half a cup of powdered sugar
One quarter teaspoo salt
One knifetip Turkish hash
Half a pound butter
One teaspoon vanilla-sugar
Half a pound flour
150 g ground nuts
A little extra powdered sugar
... and no eggs

Place in a bowl
Add butter
Add the ground nuts and
Knead the dough


Form eyeball-size pieces from the dough
Roll in the powdered sugar
and say the Magic Words:
"Sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim"

Place on a greased baking pan and
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...AND NO EGGS

Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...and no eggs.

Some of you tool fan boys make me sick.
*is a big tool fan*

Its wierd if you read the transcribed lyrics with Die Eier Von Satan you can make out a few of the words hes saying. You can make out hashish and everytime he says Ount Kiner Eier hes saying and no eggs. Its halarious.

[QUOTE=tool owns all]Hrmmm. Nice argument.[/QUOTE]

Postcount ++? My argument was already corrected you peenarse. No need for sarcasm!

I hope [I][B][I][U]T()()L[/U][/I][/B][/I]'s new album is alot heavier. I love how they construct songs from a fast heavy, huge array's of sound effect, to a suddenly soft mellow point. I really enjoy thier instrumentals like [I]TRIAD[/I] and [I]THIRD-EYE[/I] (can't get enough of those) I hope there is a couple of songs like those.....

[QUOTE=IronGland93]I hope [I][B][I][U]T()()L[/U][/I][/B][/I]'s new album is alot heavier. I love how they construct songs from a fast heavy, huge array's of sound effect, to a suddenly soft mellow point. I really enjoy thier instrumentals like [I]TRIAD[/I] and [I]THIRD-EYE[/I] (can't get enough of those) I hope there is a couple of songs like those.....[/QUOTE]

I Agree!

The only songs I've heard by Tool were Schism and some other wierd song with a messed video. What's some songs that would be a good start to the band? It's wierd that this is one of the only bands i haven't given a chance yet. Pink Floyd is one of my favourite bands, with syd or with Waters. I've heard them and Tool compared.

[QUOTE=Last Ditch Effort] What's some songs that would be a good start to the band? [/QUOTE]

I would recommend hearing
The Grudge
Third Eye
Sweat
Swamp Song
Eulogy

As that would give you the full picture of what they are like. Or the Aenima (how do you do that symbol thingy anway?) album would be a good introduction if you dont just want individual songs

[QUOTE=Last Ditch Effort]The only songs I've heard by Tool were Schism and some other wierd song with a messed video. What's some songs that would be a good start to the band? It's wierd that this is one of the only bands i haven't given a chance yet. Pink Floyd is one of my favourite bands, with syd or with Waters. I've heard them and Tool compared.[/QUOTE]

Some good songs are:
The Grudge
The Patient
Parabola
Ticks and Leeches
Stinkfist
Eulogy
H
jimmy
Pu****
Aenima
Forty Six and 2

Buy one of thier albums, I recommend Aenima or Lateralus. You won't be disappointed.

Does anyone here have the Tool Toolology the Unauthorized DVD? I saw it at Hot Topic. Just wanted to see if it was worth buying.

I haven't heard of it so I would be wary, the unofficial APC dvd's/books/etc are not great, so I would think a Tool one wouldn't be too, and I cant imagine there would be much live footage too.

It syas its 48 minutes long. 20 bux. I dunno. I might get it.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Man im really pissed about salival now, i will pin it no.1 on my crimbo list. A new dvd version. :) When do you guys think APC/Tool will tour next?[/QUOTE]

apc is not going on tour for a while, even they they have another album slated for november i think. Tool will probably tour soon... whenever they release their next album (which could be years). but from what Ive heard they should have some new stuff comin out by winter or so.