The two bands that I hear the most agonising about then not being Nu-Metal are Deftones and System of a Down. Personally, I'd would classify Deftones as Nu-Metal due to the structure of their songs, and the nature of thier lyrics. System of a Down, on the other hand, are far more arguable. They possess some characteristics of Nu-Metal, but some others that distance them from the genre, such as the evident Eastern elements in their material, and even some reference can be drawn to folk. Even so, you get the odd numpty saying that "SOAD r nwhere neer Nu-Meatl!!1 olololol!!1"

Metal's awesome, but too many people take it too seriously. It really makes no sense to get that hyped about a genre. It really makes you look stupid sometimes and most of its just attention grabbing.

[QUOTE=Demon Cleaner]The two bands that I hear the most agonising about then not being Nu-Metal are Deftones and System of a Down. Personally, I'd would classify Deftones as Nu-Metal due to the structure of their songs, and the nature of thier lyrics. System of a Down, on the other hand, are far more arguable. They possess some characteristics of Nu-Metal, but some others that distance them from the genre, such as the evident Eastern elements in their material, and even some reference can be drawn to folk. Even so, you get the odd numpty saying that "SOAD r nwhere neer Nu-Meatl!!1 olololol!!1"[/QUOTE]
System of a Down are nu-metal, like it or not. Deftones are also nu-metal, but not because of their lyrics. Have you even read any of the post-White Pony lyrics? They are the genre-expanding nu-metal band. SOAD are like this as well, BUT BOTH BANDS ARE NU-METAL.

[QUOTE=Prattinator999]Metal's awesome, but too many people take it too seriously. It really makes no sense to get that hyped about a genre. It really makes you look stupid sometimes and most of its just attention grabbing.[/QUOTE]
Ha...You're one to talk about looking stupid and trying to get attention. I read the eggs thread you spammed in, asshole.(link below)

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175352&page=4&pp=20[/url]

What does it matter if SOAD is nu-metal or not? Classifying isn't important, as long as its good music :thumb: .

[QUOTE=Random_Hero_Guy_]Ha...You're one to talk about looking stupid and trying to get attention. I read the eggs thread you spammed in, asshole.(link below)

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175352&page=4&pp=20[/url]

What does it matter if SOAD is nu-metal or not? Classifying isn't important, as long as its good music :thumb: .[/QUOTE]

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Good thread. I always wondered what the difference is between them. IMO i don't like seperating them into genres. To me metal is metal. It just gets people into arguments on which band belongs to which and which one is the best. I could care less what type of genre it is. If i like band i listen to them.

Really good thread here.

[QUOTE=deftoned]System of a Down are nu-metal, like it or not. Deftones are also nu-metal, but not because of their lyrics. Have you even read any of the post-White Pony lyrics? They are the genre-expanding nu-metal band. SOAD are like this as well, BUT BOTH BANDS ARE NU-METAL.[/QUOTE]

Hmm.....despite the fact that I posted more-or-less the exact same thing about 6 pages ago, people have continued to argue over that. Why can't people recognize my inherent superiority of the mind?

Black Sabbath was the first true metal band.

That was generally a good explanation

Stupid arguements happen when threads like these are made, but it is a good idea. What about Speed Metal, also?

Speed metal is in there, if you're bothered to read.

Can someone define "Pagan Metal" for me? I found mention of it at [url]http://www.besonic.com[/url] . You go to the music section and you can stream a few songs from the genre. I'd never heard of it before, and I'm wondering just what exactly it is.

A+
very good

thumbs up legions for the thread.
could someone please sum up epic-powermetal for me.
SOAD are nu-metal and im not sayin this to take a shot at anyone. They are nu-metal whether you like it or not

dead on
 

i think this list is perfect. every band mentioned are friggin amazing bands, i just have one argument. it hink slayer should be put in the doom metal genre, cuz man, theyre crazy.

[QUOTE=Jack_Black69]i think this list is perfect. every band mentioned are friggin amazing bands, i just have one argument. it hink slayer should be put in the doom metal genre, cuz man, theyre crazy.[/QUOTE]

Slayer is Thrash. The only sub-genre of metal that is identified by lyric is Black Metal. The others are defined by tone, speed, and such. Doom metal is slower and has more of a groove, while thrash is much quicker. DUH.

[QUOTE=epifreak2002]Can someone define "Pagan Metal" for me? I found mention of it at [url]http://www.besonic.com[/url] . You go to the music section and you can stream a few songs from the genre. I'd never heard of it before, and I'm wondering just what exactly it is.[/QUOTE]
I think its similar to christian metal except the band members are pagans or have songs about paganism.

[QUOTE=sacrifice93.2]Slayer is Thrash. The only sub-genre of metal that is identified by lyric is Black Metal. The others are defined by tone, speed, and such. Doom metal is slower and has more of a groove, while thrash is much quicker. DUH.[/QUOTE]

I was under the impression that Black Metal had nothing to do with lyrics. Most bands utilize the same lyrical themes, but I thought it was a musical style more than a lyrical one. Like atmospheric death.

[QUOTE=sacrifice93.2]Slayer is Thrash. The only sub-genre of metal that is identified by lyric is Black Metal. The others are defined by tone, speed, and such. Doom metal is slower and has more of a groove, while thrash is much quicker. DUH.[/QUOTE]

Still, a pop punk band with "Black Metal" lyrics won't make that band black metal. The music is still important in black metal.

Well, most people, when thinking of Black Metal, thnk immediately of anti-jewish or pro-aryan lyrics, but the music does tend to set an atmousphere unlike other genres. It is true though. Some hardcore punk bands are skinheads. I would know. I got into a fight with the lead singer of an "Aryan" punk band from around here, and I kicked his ***.

confused about Nu-metal
 

what would bands like Smile Empty Soul, Trapt be considered... some one told me Nu-Metal. I don't know if you ever heard of Dead Poetic... [url]www.purevolume.com/deadpoetic[/url] is their song "New Medicines" Nu-Metal?

Black Sabbath started metal, Ozzy and Randy Rhoads made it famous

The difference between new metal and old (late 70's-80's) metal is new (as in 2000-2004) metal uses the deep voices and **** which i think sucks because every band sounds the same and the solos are just one or 2 repeating licks and take no talent. If you want a good metal album then get WE SOLD OUR SOUL FOR ROCK 'IN ROLL by BLACK SABBATH and listen 2 CHILDREN OF THE GRAVE. Download SPEAK OF THE DEVIL CONCERT 82' ****in awsome. Other good old metal albums are BLIZZARD OF OZZ and DIARY OF A MADMAN by OZZY.


RANDY RHOADS ****IN KICKS ***! AND WOULD'VE BEEN THE BEST IF HE DIDN'T DIE! :evil:

why the **** do they bleep this **** out its gay...PUNK BANDS LIKE GOOD CHARLETTE ARE A BUNCH OF FAIRY WANNABE HARDASS WHO CAN'T PLAY

[QUOTE=Jaguar7444]what would bands like Smile Empty Soul, Trapt be considered... some one told me Nu-Metal. I don't know if you ever heard of Dead Poetic... [url]www.purevolume.com/deadpoetic[/url] is their song "New Medicines" Nu-Metal?[/QUOTE]

Nu-Metal. All nu-metal.

[QUOTE=SGIBSON]Black Sabbath started metal, Ozzy and Randy Rhoads made it famous

The difference between new metal and old (late 70's-80's) metal is new (as in 2000-2004) metal uses the deep voices and **** which i think sucks because every band sounds the same and the solos are just one or 2 repeating licks and take no talent. If you want a good metal album then get WE SOLD OUR SOUL FOR ROCK 'IN ROLL by BLACK SABBATH and listen 2 CHILDREN OF THE GRAVE. Download SPEAK OF THE DEVIL CONCERT 82' ****in awsome. Other good old metal albums are BLIZZARD OF OZZ and DIARY OF A MADMAN by OZZY.


RANDY RHOADS ****IN KICKS ***! AND WOULD'VE BEEN THE BEST IF HE DIDN'T DIE! :evil:

why the **** do they bleep this **** out its gay...PUNK BANDS LIKE GOOD CHARLETTE ARE A BUNCH OF FAIRY WANNABE HARDASS WHO CAN'T PLAY[/QUOTE]

Wow, one post and this guy already deserves a banning....

Anyway, I don't really want to start another In Flames argument, but I'd like to disagree with all of those saying that In Flames is going nu-metal. I have not heard anything but RtR and Soundtrack, but it seems to me that they fit more into the "Industrial" lable than anything else. The programming/electronics, heavier than typical nu-metal riffs, and more brutal vocals all point to industrial rather than nu-metal.

what genre would machine head be considered? any fans around here?

[QUOTE=sacrifice93.2]Well, most people, when thinking of Black Metal, thnk immediately of anti-jewish or pro-aryan lyrics, but the music does tend to set an atmousphere unlike other genres. It is true though. Some hardcore punk bands are skinheads. I would know. I got into a fight with the lead singer of an "Aryan" punk band from around here, and I kicked his ***.[/QUOTE]

Crap. You're all raged up over that stupid rap thread. The vast, vast majority of BM is simple Satan worship. There is some crappy Nazi stuff but most are non political Venom rip-offs in the lyrical department.

power metal is awesome
Rhapsody and Stratovarius style
ANYONE HERE KNOW QUO VADIS?????

"I wouldnt put Slipknot and Mudvayne in the Nu-Metal catagory. Even tho they are newer bands, they both have Talent, unlike System of a Down, Linkin Park and P.O.D. I like to think of them as different, not crap."

i agree with this. just because a band is newer, it does not mean it fits into the "nu metal" catagory....

btw, you did a pretty good job at defining these subgenres. kudos :)