Ok, i haven't been here for awhile so excuse me if im rehashing old arguments.

Firstly, does anyone else here really dislike Rosetta Stone? The thing is RS doesn't feel like a song to me. It feels like a fake song. It feels like they took some old riffs off Aenema and put them together. Not only that but the singing is so off-key its rediculous. Also, the first guitar/synth part in Intension is blantantly a rip from Eon Blue Apocalypse. RS also has ripps from Third Eye and H.

This leads me to believe that the last part of the album might be fake. The first part is actually quite good, but it doesnt fit in at all to the rest.

I really don't believe that RS could have been intended as a song. There are bad APC songs that are better.

I hope the final mixing will impress me. Im such a massive Tool fan.

Thoughts?

ur theory about RS is terrible, so no, i wouldnt agree at all

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]ur theory about RS is terrible, so no, i wouldnt agree at all[/QUOTE]

Your spelling of "your" is terrible so I wouldn't agree with it at all.

:p

like thoughts is a complete fukking sentence :lol:

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]like thoughts is a complete fukking sentence :lol:[/QUOTE]

Obviously I can't have a decent argument with a communist. :lol:

you're pointing out stupid errors, when you can understand me anyway. If you are gonna throw stones, make sure your house isn't made of glass :thumb:

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]you're pointing out stupid errors, when you can understand me anyway. If you are gonna throw stones, make sure your house isn't made of glass :thumb:[/QUOTE]

I'll just stop watching tv then now shall I?:p

Anyway, I guess my theory on RS is very unfounded, and is probably based on my dissapointment of it. But if you listen carefully to RS you WILL find riffs completely ripped, or at least sounds like it. Plus, the vocals are just horrid. And thats a fact.

or whatever.:)

no, thats your OPINION...


i personally love the song as is. If you understood the lyrics, it makes perfect sense

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]no, thats your OPINION...


i personally love the song as is. If you understood the lyrics, it makes perfect sense[/QUOTE]

Yeah I get ya.

Anyway, do any of you find the riffs in there familiar? The riff that starts 2:58 sounds almost exactly like the 3:38 riff in Third Eye. 6:02 in Rosetta Stoned sounds almost exactly like 3:28 in H. . The guitar part in 0:34 in Intension sounds very familiar to 0:40 in Eon Blue Apocalypse. 07:48 in The Grudge sounds very similar to 08:00 +- in RS. But that last part might just be nit-picking.

Anyway, just pointing these things out so we can talk about it. Not ranting or anything. Whats everyones thoughts on these similarities, and especially the fact that most of them reside in one song?

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]no, thats your OPINION...


i personally love the song as is. If you understood the lyrics, it makes perfect sense[/QUOTE]

Who gives a flying f'uck about the lyrics if the vocals are horrid?

I agree, i'm not a big fan of rosetta stoned, there's not much to keep me interested melody wise. Though i like the sudafed sh!t the bed line. Makes me laugh...

if you paid attension to the lyrics, it explains why the vocals are harsh

Yeah but that still doesn't make a good song imo...i wanna hear something that is pleasing to my ears. That's also why i'm put off alot of metal, and why i appreciate tool a hell of a lot too...

I'm starting to really like this album a lot. Reading along to Wings/10,000 Days makes the song so much better, and I think Rosetta Stoned is a great song. I can't explain it really, I just enjoyed the listen. I don't think it should be any more complicated than that.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Yeah but that still doesn't make a good song imo...i wanna hear something that is pleasing to my ears. That's also why i'm put off alot of metal, and why i appreciate tool a hell of a lot too...[/QUOTE]


thats the thing. You should confuse personal taste with "good" music. You've stated you are biased, so obviously it would affect your opinion. Thankfully, i don't have problems or preconceived notions of how something SHOULD sound.

I was stating why i liked it, and why i think you COULD like it

My opinion is allowed to be biased towards my vies, that's what makes it my opinion :-/ Some parts of the song are ok, around 9 minutes is pretty cool. But other than that it's not as melodic as i like my tool.

Lyrics are cool and everything, but imo the lyrics don't make the song, and don't really enhance something like RS for me. They can supplement a good song, when you can hear the lyrics clearly and also enjoy the melody. But RS just doesn't do it for me...

[QUOTE=clearvision]But other than that it's not as melodic as i like my tool.[/QUOTE]

Why do I see you as a Cornish farmer saying that? :confused:

7 days to go. I cant wait to hear moreso for figuring out what all this squabbling is about, as well as the fact its new Tool.

And thanks for that Danny Carey video a few pages back, I can send that to scare my drummer friend some more

Roseta Stoned is ok, not a great song but not bad. I will agree that the vocal approach takes some getting use to.

[QUOTE=clearvision]My opinion is allowed to be biased towards my vies, that's what makes it my opinion :-/ Some parts of the song are ok, around 9 minutes is pretty cool. But other than that it's not as melodic as i like my tool.

Lyrics are cool and everything, but imo the lyrics don't make the song, and don't really enhance something like RS for me. They can supplement a good song, when you can hear the lyrics clearly and also enjoy the melody. But RS just doesn't do it for me...[/QUOTE]



if you are biased, which you clearly are, how would that having any bearing on anyone else. Its fine if you dont like the song, but dont pretend no one else can

Rosetta stoned is personally one of my favorite songs on the new album. It's different and to me that's one thing that makes it so great. Plus the lyrical content.

I enjoy Rosetta Stoned, I don't think the riffs are rip offs so much as they sound like parts from other Tool songs. I think it helps keep a bit of continuity in the bands music and makes it sound like a Tool record. A band like Tool could be in danger of experimenting too much and having nothing sounding the same, which wouldn't necesserally be a good thing.

Some riffs sounding the same or not, this record dosn't feel like Lateralus in the slightest its definately a progression and definately sounds different to any other Tool record.

I love;

Vicarious
10,000 Days
The Pot
Right in Two

I like;

Jambi
Rosetta Stoned

As i've said before, Wings part 1 and Intension don't quite seem as strong, but they're still decent tracks and I'm not skipping them or anything of the sort.

The top four songs rate with Tool's best, and the others would be welcome additions to setlists for me.

The APC comparisons and saying Maynard dosn't sound like he's supposed to in Tool is ridiculous for me. On the one hand you have people saying things sound too similar, on the other saying he should stay within his previous Tool styles. How can you win? I love the Vocals.

I also adore Justin's bass tone, and the drums sound very good.

my point...


if you dont like it, thats fine, dont listen to it. Dont expect us to give a fuk :thumb:

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]my point...


if you dont like it, thats fine, dont listen to it. Dont expect us to give a fuk :thumb:[/QUOTE]

So we should keep our opinions to ourselves, and make no personal comments on the music?

And I like the way you refer to 'us'. I prefer reading Rob's views (as questionable as his music taste may be :p) as much as someone who likes the song, so I do give a 'fu[I]c[/I]k' im afraid :thumb:

How many songs off the new album do you think they will play on the tour?

Im figuring at least 2:

1. Vicarious
2. 10,000 wings (cause it is my favorite but they will probably play The Pot or Jiambi.

sounds like they are whining about it to me

[QUOTE=circlethedrain]How many songs off the new album do you think they will play on the tour?

Im figuring at least 2:

1. Vicarious
2. 10,000 wings (cause it is my favorite but they will probably play The Pot or Jiambi.[/QUOTE]

I think they'll play the two singles, and I think probably have one of the joined "Epic" tracks, either Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned, Intension/Right in Two or Wings. I personally think Wings will be the one, due to the personal nature of the song, but we'll see. They might play another song from the new album too, maybe Jambi. I don't think they'll play two of the epic joined tracks, but we'll see like I say.

They should play most of the songs on the tour...well not the segues obviously..

And i wasn't trying to knock anyone elses opinion i was just putting mine forward and backing up the flabbits post. It seems silly to go on about it :-/ I just prefer the songs that have a more noticeable direction than RS...

fair enough

The intro of Rosetta Stoned always makes me jump when I'm listening to it with headphones in bed. The part where the snare comes in.

The singing at the end is damn cool, along with the distorted muttering at the begining. The middle isn't quite as great, but it will definately keep growing on me.

Any of you guys join the Tool Army? I was thinkin' about it...

I thought last night, I wonder if they have all the thunder and rain effects from 10,000 Days.

I thought this last night. Imagine they could have a black sheet across the ceiling of the building, and have lightning projected onto that. And, have sprinklers to sprinkle rain onto you during the build up of the song. That would be so amazing.