[QUOTE]Your telling me the man who steals bread for his starving family is a bad person?
[/QUOTE]:lol: Technically he could get a job... The Automotive business needs workers. People dont want to work anyway. We went through 3 shop cleaners in a year.

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Come on now we're all waiting.

Oh wait, you can't do it, can you?[/QUOTE] High 5's Epi for stump question.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Your telling me the man who steals bread for his starving family is a bad person?

Hes doing a bad thing but to him morally its correct. If your morals are bad your probably bad.[/QUOTE]

wow dude, that comparison isn't even logical. Doing drugs is a bad decision, and there is no logical reason to do them. Stealing food to feed your family...COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION...that's what we call a fallacy (you'll learn about it in english class when you get older).

Hahaha he can't.

And last time I checked you didnt need beer and drugs to stay alive... Idiot.

[QUOTE=Epiphender]Can't do it, can you?[/QUOTE]
Yes, and again I ask why you act accusatory, after reading a post where I asked not too. I have a job, go to school and get pretty good grades(84 avg last term) while mainting a good social life, not to mention upsessing over an instrument while doing these. I sometimes let myself go but I'm only human I slip once in a while. I'm only going to grow as a person, so I think I'm doing alright.

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]Hahaha he can't.

And last time I checked you didnt need beer and drugs to stay alive... Idiot.[/QUOTE]
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When did I say that I need beer and drugs to stay alive. Stop putting words into my mouth, I'm not doing that to you, I'm sure you wouldn't like it, and if you've had it done to you you know how much damage it can cause.

[QUOTE]And last time I checked you didnt need beer and drugs to stay alive... Idiot.[/QUOTE] You can call me an idiot. But I will keep on tokin.

You compared it to stealing food to stay alive

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]^

When did I say that I need beer and drugs to stay alive. Stop putting words into my mouth, I'm not doing that to you, I'm sure you wouldn't like it, and if you've had it done to you you know how much damage it can cause.[/QUOTE]

He isn't. He's simply implying that your comparison was ridiculous. As I said, it was a fallacy.

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]Hahaha he can't.

And last time I checked you didnt need beer and drugs to stay alive... Idiot.[/QUOTE]

What!?!??! Yes you do!!

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[QUOTE=Motleyguy]wow dude, that comparison isn't even logical. Doing drugs is a bad decision, and there is no logical reason to do them. Stealing food to feed your family...COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION...that's what we call a fallacy (you'll learn about it in english class when you get older).[/QUOTE]
First the drugs was about faith, I was saying that he isn't a bad person because he chooses to do something wrong. Going against your morals or having bad morals makes you a bad person. It wasn't about the accual actions but the reasons behind them. A hypocrite is someone who goes against his moral values, if you choose to do pot even if you know its bad you aren't a hypocrite, if you try to quit pot and you can't so you still do it your a hypocrite because your morally against it but you still do it(even though your choosing to stop)

OMG I see somebodys old avatar! The chicken thing! I forget who!

[QUOTE=Epiphender]What!?!??! Yes you do!!

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Okay I haven't done drugs in 2 years and I don't get drunk off beer so your beat.

[QUOTE=Epiphender]What!?!??! Yes you do!!

[img]http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2306/untitled1ic.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats great! Hahaha focker would probably beleive that too!

He'd print it up and show his mom! "Look maaaa! I was right all along!"

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]You compared it to stealing food to stay alive[/QUOTE]
No, I compared moral values but used that as an example.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]First the drugs was about faith, I was saying that he isn't a bad person because he chooses to do something wrong. Going against your morals or having bad morals makes you a bad person. It wasn't about the accual actions but the reasons behind them. A hypocrite is someone who goes against his moral values, if you choose to do pot even if you know its bad you aren't a hypocrite, if you try to quit pot and you can't so you still do it your a hypocrite because your morally against it but you still do it(even though your choosing to stop)[/QUOTE]

that...or you're addicted. And don't give me this "pot" isn't addictive bull****. I know alot of people who smoke up, and many who have tried to quit, none of them can. Alcoholism is the same thing, you need that feeling to be happy, to be normal even, making it an addiction.

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats great! Hahaha focker would probably beleive that too!

He'd print it up and show his mom! "Look maaaa! I was right all along!"[/QUOTE]
I disaproove drugs.
I don't drink beers.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Okay I haven't done drugs in 2 years and I don't get drunk off beer so your beat.[/QUOTE]
You must be a real cowboy eh? Only hard liquor for tough guys! :lol:

[QUOTE]And don't give me this "pot" isn't addictive bull****. I know alot of people who smoke up, and many who have tried to quit, none of them can.[/QUOTE] It is only addictive the same way masturbation is at the age of 16.

[QUOTE=Motleyguy]that...or you're addicted. And don't give me this "pot" isn't addictive bull****. I know alot of people who smoke up, and many who have tried to quit, none of them can. Alcoholism is the same thing, you need that feeling to be happy, to be normal even, making it an addiction.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't need that feeling, thats why I stress the point that it isn't a routine. Anyone can stop doing something but being addicted is having that thing inside you saying "cmon it won't hurt just do it again next time you'll stop", that doesn't happen to me exept for ice cream. If that were to happen to me, where I would say I won't drink and accually do drink I would get away from alchohol and force myself to stop.

Another thing, there are different addictions, smoking cigarettes is a chemical addiction where your body tells you, smoke one or I'm going to tremble(or something like that, withdrawl symptoms), a pot addition is strickly mental where it makes you feel good and you want more but don't "need" it.

For the record I don't smoke pot!

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]You must be a real cowboy eh? Only hard liquor for tough guys! :lol:[/QUOTE]
I water it down, read my other posts, I don't like drinking things that makes me scrunch up my face, its not worth it.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]No, I don't need that feeling, thats why I stress the point that it isn't a routine. Anyone can stop doing something but being addicted is having that thing inside you saying "cmon it won't hurt just do it again next time you'll stop", that doesn't happen to me exept for ice cream. If that were to happen to me, where I would say I won't drink and accually do drink I would get away from alchohol and force myself to stop.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to your logic on morals.

I think the worst part about pot is finding out you ate all the sun chips. :(

Your diggin a hole thats already been dug by millions of people, just admit it.. You lose and theres nothing you can do about it man.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Going against your morals or having bad morals makes you a bad person.[/QUOTE]

So if I personally think it's moral to shoot birds but I go against that by not shooting any, I'm a bad person? I'm a bad person for not killing birds?

Wait but then most people would call that bad morals in the first place.

Please check your logic before posting.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Okay I haven't done drugs in 2 years and I don't get drunk off beer so your beat.[/QUOTE]

Was I even talking to you? That was clearly directed entirely at Jim. Who's "acting accusatory" now?

[QUOTE=Motleyguy]I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to your logic on morals.[/QUOTE]
Oh in that case I agree completely exept for the fact that pot isn't chemically addicting its all mental so they are physically able to quit but they don't quit simply because every night they ussually smoke they don't have something to do so instead of doing something else they'll smoke and say that they can't stop. Alchohol is chemically addicting(i believe it is anways. thats why I don't do it unless I'm doing something along with it), there is the danger of it.

[QUOTE]So if I personally think it's moral to shoot birds but I go against that by not shooting any, I'm a bad person? I'm a bad person for not killing birds?[/QUOTE]Dang, You pretty much just stapled his balls with that.

[QUOTE=Epiphender]So if I personally think it's moral to shoot birds but I go against that by not shooting any, I'm a bad person? I'm a bad person for not killing birds?

Wait but then most people would call that bad morals in the first place.

Please check your logic before posting.



Was I even talking to you? That was clearly directed entirely at Jim. Who's "acting accusatory" now?[/QUOTE]
Well most things are being pointed to me.

I figured you had enough common sense to figure the differnece between good morals and bad morals, having good morals and going against them makes you bad, having bad morals and going with them makes you bad. Having bad morals and going against them makes you a hypocrite which you decide is good or bad.

[QUOTE=Futuro]It is only addictive the same way masturbation is at the age of 16.[/QUOTE]

and still at 19 :lol:

yes I'm sad :(

[QUOTE=Futuro]Dang, You pretty much just stapled his balls with that.[/QUOTE]
Look again.
Way to lighten up the mood


I don't find the urge to masturbate alot, I used to last year and 2 years ago I cut down alot since this summer

Way to lighten up the mood!

I think it's morale to shoot retards; it's immoral that the govt doesn’t have enough ammunition to do so.